UPDATED: O'Reilly: Media Matters, Daily Kos, MoveOn "lead intimidators" of Democratic presidential candidates
During the July 30 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly criticized the decision by several Democratic presidential candidates to attend the YearlyKos convention, calling the decision "beyond shameful" and claiming that "a group of far-left bloggers has succeeded in frightening most of the Democratic presidential candidates and moving the party significantly to the left." He continued: "The lead intimidators are MoveOn[.org], Media Matters and the vicious Daily Kos. These people savagely attack those with whom they disagree, and the politicians don't want to become smear targets." O'Reilly later asked: "[W]hen you get these presidential candidates who are afraid of a website, my God, how are they going to deal with Al Qaeda?"
Discussing the Daily Kos blog with Lanny J. Davis, former special counsel to President Clinton, and Republican consultant Genevieve Wood, O'Reilly again claimed that the Democratic candidates "are afraid of the Daily Kos and MoveOn," adding: "[I]f people missed our reporting last week, we have been giving you, on a daily basis, the most vile, base stuff. Nothing different than the Nazis or the Ku Klux Klan do. And yet the Democratic Party chooses to embrace and legitimize this website." As Media Matters for America has documented, O'Reilly has repeatedly attacked the Daily Kos in recent weeks, comparing the site to the Nazi Party, the Ku Klux Klan, Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, white supremacist David Duke, and gangster Al Capone.
Later in the July 30 broadcast, O'Reilly exclaimed: "It's a hate group! It's a hate group!" In response, Davis said that he doesn't "accept the fact that the entire site is filled with hate," to which O'Reilly replied: "Hey, look. There was some good stuff on the Nazi site. You know, give to the kids. Give to the Aryan kids. It's a hate site. You know it."
Davis went on to say to O'Reilly: "But I would like to have at least you say that this hate is also found on right-wing conservative sites" and pointed out that "Ann Coulter's venom is on national television." O'Reilly responded by claming that "Ann Coulter doesn't have anything to do with any-- with the Republicans." In fact, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney complimented Coulter during a March 2 speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), saying: "I am happy to hear that after you hear from me, you will hear from Ann Coulter. That is a good thing." The two were also videotaped chatting backstage at the event. During her speech, Coulter said she couldn't "really talk about" Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards because "you have to go into rehab if you use the word 'faggot.' " Additionally, when asked during her CPAC appearance how she felt about Romney's bid for the presidency, Coulter said, "I think he's probably our best candidate," as Media Matters noted.
O'Reilly has repeatedly attacked Daily Kos for comments posted on that site without addressing hateful and violent comments on his own website. On the July 26 O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly claimed, "We don't allow hateful comments on BillOReilly.com" and added, "When they come up and we find them, we take them off." In fact, despite being flagged by Americablog (here, here, and here), O'Reilly had not removed several comments from his website attacking Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) when he made those statements.
UPDATE: During the segment, O'Reilly stated: "What is significant is that this website and the others mentioned have intimidated the entire Democratic presidential field, with the exception of [Sen.] Joseph Biden [DE], who will not go to that convention. And we respect the senator for that." In response, Biden's campaign posted a diary entry on Daily Kos describing O'Reilly's comments as "reckless" and "a total misrepresentation." Biden's campaign further stated:
The simple truth is Joe Biden would be at YearlyKos if he could, but adding a book tour to all the demands of a campaign meant some things had to change. But we won't stand by and let Bill O'Reilly try to drive a wedge between the progressive online community and us to make a false point on behalf of his half-baked theories.
While not always agreeing with all members of the DailyKos community, Joe Biden respects what the YearlyKos convention -- a diverse assembly of activists and organizations -- represents as a vehicle for progressives to organize and advocate on behalf of democratic ideals and the Democratic Party.
From the July 30 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly. Thank you for watching us tonight. Intimidating the Democrats, that's the subject of this evening's "Talking Points Memo." As we have been reporting, a group of far-left bloggers has succeeded in frightening most of the Democratic presidential candidates and moving the party significantly to the left, at least in the primary season.
The lead intimidators are MoveOn, Media Matters, and the vicious Daily Kos. These people savagely attack those with whom they disagree, and the politicians don't want to become smear targets.
So most of the Democratic candidates have agreed to speak at the Kos convention this coming weekend, something that is beyond shameful.
I'm now going to show you a picture that was posted on the Kos website for almost a year. The picture is very offensive, and you might want to change the channel right now. I'm only going to show this picture once, but it is necessary to demonstrate what kind of haters these Kos people are and why no politician should ever legitimize them.
Because Senator Joseph Lieberman supports tough action against terrorists in Iraq and other places, the Kos website has constantly demeaned him. This disgraceful exhibition is what the Kos traffics in. And decent Americans should condemn this kind of stuff. The fact that these Democratic presidential candidates are supporting a website that would run a picture like that is hard to believe.
Agree with them or not, Senator Lieberman is a patriot and a man of conviction. Right now, he's opposing the loons in the Senate who don't want to protect Americans who report possible terrorist activity from lawsuits. Lieberman deserves respect, not hatred.
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O'REILLY: Finally, a word to the Democrats who will speak at the Kos convention. That is a huge mistake. And you should apologize to Senator Lieberman, a man you all know. Associating with haters is not going to bring you credibility. And voters will not forget. And that's the "Memo."
Now for the top story tonight, two other views of this. Joining us from Washington, Republican consultant Genevieve Wood. And also Democratic analyst Lanny Davis, former counsel to President Clinton and author of the book Scandal: How "Gotcha" Politics Is Destroying America [Palgrave Macmillan, 2006].
I just think this is really going damage all the Democrats who show up at this Kos convention. This is the most vile picture imaginable. I think you agree with me on that, don't you, Mr. Davis?
DAVIS: It's disgusting. As you know, Joe Lieberman is one of my best friends. I disagree with him entirely on the Iraq war, but this kind of depiction and allowing it to be put on the Daily Kos, I think, would oblige most Democrats to be as repulsed by it no matter what your views are.
But I wouldn't generalize and say it's all the Daily Kos. It's one in a group of haters. In this case, it's not just a commentator, it's somebody who calls himself the diarist and hides behind anonymity. A lot of these creeps don't tell us who they are and tell us so they can be held accountable. And whether it's a child predator or somebody that puts something like this up, let's know your name, and let's stand up and be accountable for either defamation or something else.
O'REILLY: Yeah, OK. And I agree with you. But these --
DAVIS: And that's what I object to.
O'REILLY: OK, but this smear merchant is inconsequent-- he's insignificant, Lanny. What is significant is that this website and the others mentioned have intimidated the entire Democratic presidential field, with the exception of [Sen.] Joseph Biden [DE], who will not go to that convention. And we respect the senator for that.
They are afraid of the Daily Kos and MoveOn. "They" being the Democratic presidential candidates, Lanny. They know. And this picture -- if people missed our reporting last week, we have been giving you, on a daily basis, the most vile, base stuff. Nothing different than the Nazis or the Ku Klux Klan do. And yet the Democratic Party chooses to embrace and legitimize this website, Lanny. This is a disaster.
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WOOD: The American public is not where the Kos convention is. And I think they hurt themselves by lining up.
O'REILLY: No, but they're afraid of them. That's why they're going. They're afraid.
WOOD: Well, sure they are. Sure they are.
O'REILLY: They don't want to get smeared by them like Lieberman.
WOOD: That's right.
O'REILLY: I mean, and that's what it's about, Lanny, when you get these presidential candidates who are afraid of a website, my God, how are they going to deal with Al Qaeda?
Now, if you were advising Hillary Clinton -- and I don't know whether you may do it informally or not -- wouldn't you tell her to stay as far away from these people as she can stay?
DAVIS: I wouldn't necessarily tell her to stay away, but I would like to see Senator [Barack] Obama [D-IL], Senator Clinton, every single Democratic presidential candidate denouncing this kind of hate-filled rhetoric --
O'REILLY: Wait, wait, wait.
DAVIS: -- that constitutes something we all should object to.
O'REILLY: Lanny, if they do it, if the Daily Kos does this every day, if they traffic in this every day, you're telling me you wouldn't advise them to stay away from this?
DAVIS: I would not advise a candidate to stay away from a group unless you can generalize accurately about the entire group.
O'REILLY: It's a hate group! It's a hate group!
DAVIS: I don't accept the fact that the entire site is filled with hate. But I do agree --
O'REILLY: Hey, look. There was some good stuff on the Nazi site. You know, give to the kids. Give to the Aryan kids. Come on. It's a hate site. You know it. You wrote about it, Lanny. And now you're chickening out.
DAVIS: Hey, Bill, I'm not saying that everything that I read on the Daily Kos is hate. There's been a lot of stuff on the Daily Kos level --
O'REILLY: Oh, stop it.
DAVIS: -- that was personally --
O'REILLY: You're rationalizing.
DAVIS: -- that was filled with hate. But I would like to have at least you say that this hate is also found on right-wing conservative sites.
WOOD: Oh, but --
O'REILLY: All right. Let's justify bad behavior by pointing --
DAVIS: And that is the problem on both sides.
O'REILLY: Look, this is the tactic, Lanny. You've justified bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
DAVIS: Not justifying at all.
O'REILLY: And the right-wing websites, nobody pays attention to. They don't go there, the Republican Party. They're going there.
DAVIS: Ann Coulter's venom is on national television --
O'REILLY: Ann Coulter doesn't have anything to do with any-- with the Republicans.
DAVIS: -- all the time. And you are one of the few television hosts to reject Ann Coulter's venom against Hillary Clinton.
O'REILLY: Yeah, all right. Whatever. She has nothing to do --
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Ladies and gentlemen, your politically pro-active and aware right-wing representative has checked-in.
O'Reilly is very scared of the Internet. This fear has bordered on paranoia after Smoking Gun released the records of his harassment of Mackris on their site. The guy is an illiterate luddite and a control freak. In 2 days, he smeared both Daily Kos and Free Republic (the latter in a segment today). Old media figures like BORe are a threat to grassroots/netroots democracy and media. Thankfully, they are on their way out.OTOH, conservatives like Rush, Neal Boortz, Mark Levin, and others on the Right have understood the Net much better than O'Really.
He understands the net fine, and although Kos etc. seem to be his target, his real targets are the Democratic candidates. He's still seething that they boycotted the FOX "News" debate, and now it's payback time.
His strategy: 1) Paint Kos as a "far left, vile, hate site." 2) Remind viewers/listeners that the Democrats align themselves with Kos, one of many "far left, vile, hate sites." 3) Expose Democratic candidates as "far left, vile, haters."
This stategy is loosley based on the way Rove/Cheney got us into Iraq. It only works on those who are really stupid.
As a RULE OF THUMB, Democrats at every level and of every stripe have an excellent barometer for what to DO, and what NOT to do.
Debate on FOX? Go to YearlyKos?
The answer is pie-easy. Do whatever upsets O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Ailes, and Hume THE VERY MOST. Whatever these guys DISLIKE, is sure to be helpful to Democrats, because these guys wish only for the destruction of Democrats.
Conversely, whatever these guys say Democrats SHOULD be doing ... should be avoided like the very plague.
So, it's a very reliable indicator as to whether Democrats are DOING THE CORRECT THING.
If O'Reilly says it's a "mistake" ... Democrats should keep doing it in spades. O'Reilly hates it, it must be GREAT for Democrats' prospects.
Be nice, Dave. Deputy Fife has been here a long time trying to rationalize and explain the behavior of conservatives and the GOP. He's gotta be exhausted. ;0)
Tell him a good bedtime story, Anj.
Gomer,
This thread is about as boring and predictable as your posts.
Hence the zzzzzzzzzs.
What is predictable is your complete inability to understand, well virtually anything, so of course REALITY bores you. Go to sleep and let the adults talk now.
That is hilarious! BillO getting his panties in a bunch over an image that doesn't even begin to compare to his own book (and lets not forget his conversations with Makris). I'm sure there are images on his site that remain to this day that are worse than this. What a tool.
BillO sez he is boycotting France, and imports go up. He wants to show how "horrible" Kos is, and their web traffic goes through the roof.
BTW, I think the Dems should be heading towards the left, and stop when they get to what most Americans want anyway. As usual, everything, including the majority of public opinion, is far left of Faux.
Daily Kos has a great response.
I'm not so sure about that great response. Some have praised Mike Stark's actions while others at Kos, like Scout Finch, are less than impressed.
I'm VERY sure about it. Loved Hunter's note.
I don't like Mike Stark's methods either. I don't think that hanging out at someone's home is a cool thing to do, whether it's a Bill O'Reilly's staffer or a Daily Kos activist. I don't like the idea of trying to sabotage radio shows like Mike Stark did either.
"The Vicious DailyKos" sounds like some kind of super hero villian.
The way he said that was laugh out loud funny.
O'REILLY: Ann Coulter doesn't have anything to do with any-- with the Republicans
Sure .What a hater this man is, he hates and divides.
Well I don't know how much influence Kos or MMFA has, though I'd guess Kos has more between the two...but certainly Move On is powerful enough to be paid attention to by the Democratic candidates.
Bill thinks every site that leans Left is hateful, no news there. The man is paranoid...though some of those sites are a tad scarey ;-)
You're right, typical O'Reilly cause dujour hysteria for his ratings and ego driven relevance.
But candidates fighting for primary votes, even if they are months away, do this sort of thing all the time - pander to the far outreaches of their party's base. This is nothing new. The left does it with the MoveOn.orgs, the right does it with the Bob Jones' University crowd. Yawn....
Then when they get the nomination, they shift back to the center, broaden their appeal, pay lip service to these organizations they so actively courted in the primarys because they know they'll get their vote anyway, and it's a new ball game.
O'Reilly acting like this is some deathly move on the part of these Democrats is ridiculous. Most people aren't even paying attention to it, except Bill in his blustering crusade.
The sites listed don't intimidate the candidates...they're too busy kissing the right-wing Dem candidates' arses to be intimidating. MoveOn has made big enemies in the anti-war movement, it's been shilling for the Dem plan for continued occupation for years now. It's a right-wing site.
Bill's ONLY motivation is vengance, so what exactly did Kos do to deserve the attention?
I think the story goes that Bill-O is lashing back at DailyKos because they allegedly intimidated the Democratic hopefuls into ditching the Fox Democratic Debate.
Before this happened, I don't think DailyKos existed as far as Bill was concerned. Now Bill is looking for any reason he can to take the attention away from Fixed Noise's obvious bias as the reason and instead blame a "far-left hate website".
I hadn't heard that DK allegedly intimidated the Democrats into ditching Fox for a debate? Is that true?
If it is, that is a skosh troubling - that they can be so easily intimidated by a single website?
That's the gist I've gathered, but I'm by no means standing behind it.
I believe it's Bill doing the alleging. As to how much of a role DKos actually played, and whether or not Dems are bowing to the pressure of one or a few "far-left hate sites", I don't know.
I sent emails to the democratic candidates asking they not attend any debate hosted by FAUX news as this alleged news channel is an abomination and is anything but fair and balanced.
That would be like a black person going to view a lynching in the old south.
Please don't respond by saying the dems should have attended to get their message to a different audience, because one can be certain that the true dem message would have been distorted in the post-debate faux analysis.
Billdoe needs to get his prescription filled...
Media Matters has reduced this man to a babbling, psychotic, bizarre, abomination.
I think he is so far gone, its scary.
I thought the picture was quite accurate!
But no shock about O'Reilly claiming coulter doesn't have anything to do with the republicans. And no shock that O'Reilly is actually abdicating that certain groups in America don't deserve any representation either.
Democracy, republican style!
truer than the red white and blue!
Democracy, republican style!
For me, not you!
And with a star spangled vote you libs (with libs I don't agree!)
You can bet I won't let your vote count!
And by the dawn's early light you libs,
If I could you'd all be interned.
The photo of Lieberman is a bit offensive. I know there are a good number of Jewish tailors around, but that's just ridiculous stereotyping.
He's just taking in an inseam, right?
Seriously, for the nuke 'em all crowd to get the vapors over doctored photos(this one suggestive but not pornographic by a long shot) is another hilarious example of right wing twisted values and irony deficiency.
Billo has gone off the deep end. It's another manufactured outrage, no different than the liberal "War on Christmas". If right wingers didn't have fear, they'd have to create it ... and BOR does it, nightly.
Billy's attacks on Media Matters, MoveOn, Daily Kos is a personal matter. He doesn't like what they say about him, so he's launched an on-air attack to discredit them.
Like thin-skinned Sean, Billy can't take criticism. These two aging media hacks get defensive when someone attacks their character.
I hope Bossman Rupert decides not to renew both Bill and Sean's contract with Fox News. Bossman needs to bring in less controversial news hacks (for the sponsors' sake). They already lost Lowes'.
What's really sad is that John "Memo" Moody, Bill Shine, John Finley, Roger Ailes, David Brown, and other neocon suits let them get away with it.
Excuse me while I send another complaint to Beryl Cook at Human Resources.
Hey Bill,
how's that Home Depot advertising working out for you? What's that you say? They just pulled their advertising from your show? You don't say! <snicker!>
Snoop I just have to say when they did that they raised their profile in my eyes and it helped because my son's favorite NASCAR driver is tony Stewart and his primary sponsor is Home Depot. Not that you know nothing about NASCAR. If I insulted I'm sorry.
Oh Bill you righteous Culture Warrior, way to take down those vile America destroying haters at Kos. Hey, did you know that there's a multinational global conglomerate that:
Hosts a website well known for featuring gratuitous nudity, music with explicit lyrics and subversive political philosophies of all sorts(MySpace);
Has released multiple "torture porn" films in the past few years and advertised special unrated versions for sale on DVD during times and programs that younger children may be watching(various Fox film divisions);
Hosts another website that allows anonymous users to post any unfiltered image they would like with minimal editorial supervision(Photobucket);
Publishes a newspaper who's editor was arrested for tapping the phones of multiple celebrities and government officials(News of the World);
Airs a weekly cartoon that condones sexual relations between a human female and a male dog (FoxTV);
and happens to also allow multiple reality impaired sociopaths to lie about virtually anything they'd like and call it punditry. (FNC)
Hey Bill, since you're looking out for me and all, when are you going to do something about this despicable blight continuously attacking our culture? Or is it different when it is done in the name of capitalism?
After all, if DKos can be held to be as evil as the Klan and the Nazis based on a cherry picking survey of the hundreds of posts that accumulate there in any given hour, then what exactly does that mean if we hold Bill's own corporate master to the same impossible standard?
Oh, I forgot to add one thing. That "vile" picture Billy was talking about is nothing compared to Billy's vile indescretions with another woman at Fox News. Tsk, Tsk.
O'Reilly later asked: "[W]hen you get these presidential candidates who are afraid of a website, my God, how are they going to deal with Al Qaeda?"
Waitaminnit, BilldO. When the Dem candidates refused to dignify Fauxnooz by debating there, despite pressure and accusations of cowardice from Fox and their partners in the conservative media, the Dems were mocked as weak.
If they were afraid of Fox, how could they handle terrorists?
Now you're saying that they're scared because they are acknowledging the liberal sites by going to conventions?
I think I've got it, Mr. Registered Independent.
I'll admit, I don't have cable, so I don't watch Bill O'Reilly or Fox news on a regular basis, although obviously I've seen both. Is this really what I'm missing? Bright colors, inane topics and lots of screaming by the guy who used to host "Inside Edition?" THIS is the highest rated cable news channel? THIS is what is drawing people away from The New York Times? Are media consumers really that stupid nowdays?
Bill's hissy fit over the kind of direct democracy the internet facilitates is indicative of the fear Republican candidates, and many Republicans in general, have of a non-controlled crowd. They're just too good to interact with real people and real people is what the websites like Kos and MMFA are about.
Seriously, why have the Republican candidates declined to participate in a YouTube style forum? They're just too good to waste their beautiful minds on folks like us.
Any candidate, R or D, that opts out of a debate because they are overly concerned with who is hosting it, or who is asking the questions, or what ideology the questions may be stemmed from, or how they might appear, or other such excuses, get little respect from me.
Life on the big stage dealing with world leaders or other vital issues are not always so controlled as one would like, or put out there through campaign filters or spokespeople. Grow up, navigate through the unfriendly and often rough waters, and show the people who you beg to vote for you what you're made of.
Wimps.
Well, if Fix News were an actual news organization that deserved the credibility of a debate, then I might agree. But alas, they're not. We need to bring back the league of women voters to do a decent debate.
In other words, they might not treat the Democratic candidates fairly? Well, my heart bleeds for them, isn't that too bad?
I wonder how fairly they'll get treated by hostile foreign leaders, or possibly a Republican Congress, or any number of unfair and unfriendly people out there in the big old bad world.
They better figure out how to deal with all of them.
Fix news is not news. They deserve no credibility. Why should serious candidates be in the same room with them? This has nothing to do with anybody being a wimp or sissy. Quit with the strawman. Good grief.
No, this has nothing to do with this assertion that Fox has no credibility, that is the strawman argument floated out there, I don't buy it, sorry. If that were the case, why do any of them appear on that network at all?.......that is a bogus excuse and you know it.
It has everything to do with the fact that they don't like the conservative slant Fox News has, and it's an unfriendly and challenging environment they want to stay away from.
contradicted of course by the fact that many of the democratic candidates have appeared on fox. you were unaware of this? and actually it's the republicans that are the chickens. any democrat would gladly go on limbaugh or hannity or other right wingers. but rush is too afraid to have them on.
Tommy, that's a pretty tired argument. A candidate can choose not to validate a media outlet that was created to destroy that candidates party .
There's a decision to be made there; go on Fox, and indicate that the subject considers them a serious news source,while providing audio and video for them to use in their typical out-of-context propaganda.
Or, refuse to go on Fox, giving them the opportunity to accuse the candidates of cowardice (just as BillO is calling the Dems "frightened" for not avoiding the Daily Kos.)
To compare this decision, whether or not to associate with Fox, to how a candidate will deal with foreign "bad guys" is pretty lame, even back when this happened and Hannity was trying it.
Kick it up a notch, Tommy.
You're talking apples and oranges Tommy. Debating on a fake news channel has nothing to do with dealing with world leaders who may despise you.
Oh and while we're at it, isn't that what this current administration is afraid of, like talking to Syria etc.
The beauty of democracy, is one is free to pick and choose their battles. If someone asked me to stick my hand in a meat grinder to prove that I have cajones, would that person then call me a wimp if I chose not to or would I be seen as a smart and intelligent person for avoiding something detrimantal to my well being?
In other words, they might not treat the Democratic candidates fairly? Well, my heart bleeds for them, isn't that too bad?
So your point is that an organization that touts itself to the world as "fair and balanced" can be unfair and unbalanced without being nailed as the hypocrites they are?
Keep dreaming.
Good for the Dems for STANDING UP to Faux news and telling them to go fly a kite and not give them the legitimacy they have not EARNED it isnt about being afraid of them its about not PRETENDING they are a real news service.
Fox News is actually considered to be the most fair and balanced of all the cable networks. According to a recent Rasmussen poll, a plurality of the American people believe that Fox News is fair and balanced.
Was that a poll of Fox viewers? Because other polls show them to be among the most misinformed audiences, and I would guess the average Fox viewer(not the ones who watch for laughs, but the ones who take it seriously) would consider Fox fair & balanced because they,ve been told that it's fair and balanced..
Which would take away any meaning from Fox being "widely considered" fair & balanced.
I'm still waiting for Tommy's "Conservative Enlightenment Tour" to enlighten some conservatives like RH. Foxs News - fair and balanced? Well, it is opposite world in this age of GW Bush and Co.. Or maybe I should say it's the "bizarro" world.
But rinohunter says, according to a Rasmussen poll, Fox is considered balanced.
Assuming that mostly Fox viewers respond to a Fox poll, I think RH is documenting how confused that audience is. ;0)
The Rasmussen poll was for all registered voters. They surveyed people about most of the other news networks as well:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/americans_see_liberal_media_bias_on_tv_news
Fox was also SHOWN to be the news service that MOST misinformed their audience. I dont care what the majority thinks anyone who believes for one second Fox is fair OR balanced has lost all touch with reality
Tommy,
I am absolutely delighted that the Democrats refused to have a debate hosted by the Fock You Channel.
THEY KICKED SOME RIGHT-WING ASS.
I strongly encourage them to continue.
I understand.
Why would any serious Democratic candidate for President refuse a debate hosted by the #1 news cable channel in the United States? I guess because it's not sympathetic or friendly to the liberal agenda and that's good enough for you.
nothing to do with sympathetic or friendly. it has to do with the fact that they distort continually. i am not for a blanket boycott of fox, but they do not deserve to host a debate.
Faux news lawyers recently argued in a lawsuit, that there is no law that a news channel must not distort or lie or misstate the news and that under first amendment it is their right to do so.
Their own lawyers admitted Fox is faux and lies, distorts and misstates the FACTS.
I understand too Tommy.
Why would any serious Repube candidate for President refuse a debate cohosted on CNN by the #1 internet video sharing website in the United States? I guess because it's not sympathetic or friendly to the conservative agenda and that's good enough for you. What are most of the Repube candidates afraid of? The American people?
I agree with you. No argument here.
Thats number one CABLE channel which is about like leading the MINOR leagues in walks. The networks STILL dwarf Fox ratings as does the cartoon sponge. Fox is a joke and it is GOOD that Dems treated them that way.
RE "Any candidate, R or D, that opts out of a debate because they are overly concerned with who is hosting it, or who is asking the questions, or what ideology the questions may be stemmed from, or how they might appear, or other such excuses, get little respect from me."
This just tells me that you have no experience in broadcasting, and don't have a solid grasp of how profoundly these "little things" can affect a person's image.
One easy way to do it is use lights with different characteristics on some candidates: the naked eye sees no difference, but the camera, and the audience, sees what looks like bad makeup, which turns into somebody on fox cracking a joke about "hilary's makeup last night," and now it's self perpetuating.
Fox is not a legitimate news organization. Every single liberal should stop appearing on Fox.
Fox is an arm of the GOP in the same way Kos an arm of the Democratic Party. Now why don't Republicans participate in the Kos Presidential forum? Or even a YouTube style debate? I guess they must be wimps. I mean uf they can't handle the pressure from Kos or the American people, how can we depend on them to lead?
If Fox is so illegitimate, why does this website spend so much bandwidth covering their every move? Why waste time on such an illegitimate news source?
Are you serious? You must be joking.
Somehow, some way, because Fox News is not an unbiased news source, MMfA is not supposed to want or need to cover them?
Man, put down the pipe!
Sue, You didn't answer the question. Why waste time on a network with no legitimacy?
Isn't there enough legitimate conservative misinformation out there? Apparently not, thanks.....you did answer my question.
They're GOP propaganda and you know it. Propaganda is not legitimate news and it must countered an exposed, that's why MMFA bothers.
Why do you bother?
If Fox is so illegitimate, why does this website spend so much bandwidth covering their every move? Why waste time on such an illegitimate news source?
Because according to your twisted beliefs and RH, there are a large number of people who watch this bogus channel and believe what is being put forth on it. If their lies, distortions and misinformation went unchallenged then those who watch might not ever get the other side (truth) in order to make a fair and balanced assessment of their faux news.
If flox would stop lying, distorting and misinforming, we could save some of the bandwidth and concentrate on other issues, like the crooked senator from Alaska et al.
To further expose the FACT they are not legitimate so people GET it DUH.
Tommy - you've tried this argument before. As you seem to, some see Fox as a credible (not just popular) news source. Others do not. Your lambasting of Democrats for spurning Fox only plays well with the former.
Well then you must not have much respect for the repub candidates since only 2 of them so far have agreed to do a you tube debate like the dems did a week ago. So now who are the wimps? Don't give me the tired old "it conflicts with my schedule" excuse, the one's who have refused to take part in have already used, it won't wash.
I know that after 6+ years of republican control it's a pro business atmosphere, but I'm sure glad I don't work for this guy!
OK, getting back to the point, Bill is bringing a ton of rain down on himself. He targeted advertisers for sponsoring liberals, now he's getting targeted. Paybacks! Gotta love it.
Bill O'Reilly: "The lead intimidators are [link to www.moveon.org] title="http://www.moveon.org/">MoveOn[.org], Media Matters and the vicious [link to www.dailykos.com] title="http://www.dailykos.com/">Daily Kos..."
Can someone explain to me how Media Matters intimidates Democratic politicians?
Or did O'Reilly just threw that one in for good measure?
Well, like he says above, he (Billo) does give us the "most base and vile stuff".
Dailey Kos, Move ON and MMFA
Are the new Nazi party today
According to Bill
Who's a weensy bit shrill
Next they'll cluster the Mexicans and gays
How about an O'Reilly picture...
Maybe Kos can do a creative O'Reilly picture.
But, seriously, Daily Kos should not run pictures like that Lieberman thing. They've become too influential to get away with that kind of stuff.
Thank you Joe Biden.
Life on the big stage dealing with world leaders or other vital issues are not always so controlled as one would like, or put out there through campaign filters or spokespeople. Grow up, navigate through the unfriendly and often rough waters, and show the people who you beg to vote for you what you're made of.
Wimps. - tommy / Tuesday July 31, 2007 05:47:00 PM EST
tommy,
When Bush went to Europe to plug his war on he avoided world leaders that were critical of his cowboy policy. At one stage in his Eurpoean tour he had asked if the audience could applaud his entry onto stage.
Bush had never faced the music aka public. He stayed on military bases to do his speeches, he kept the real world out of site via free speech zones, he handpicked those whom will toss softball questions ie Jeff Gannon.
Bush is a natural born coward, he even went AWOL went it was a shoe in that he wouldn't have to go beyond Texas or Alabama.
Bush screams yellow streak down his back, even all his speaches are speaches that I would expect a coward to give. Can you even imagine Ghengis Khan saying to his men, "mushroom clouds, bio weapons, weapons of mass destruction". Khan would sold total wimpy if he peddled speeches like that to his band of warriors.
Now a speech Khan would give is something like this, "there is nothing to fear but fear itself" and the dude who actucally said that was in a wheelchair.
If you are going to talk cowardic and the world stage look no further than Bush the wimp.
Tommy,
One more thing another man said, "if you are going to sacrifice liberty in the name of security then you don't deserve liberty."
The guy who said the above lived at a time when there was no guarantee the Revolutionist would win the American Revoultion.
Give me Liberty or give me death.
It's hands down Bush is a coward.
These people savagely attack those with whom they disagree, and the politicians don't want to become smear targets."...O'Reilly
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Maybe wingnut psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer could find an appointment for O'Reilly? His projection issues are really spiraling out of control...
Mr. O'Reilly,
May I say something about your program. Why is it that once someone calmly states an opinion/fact with which you disagree, you get loud(or your mike is turned up) and you suddenly attack them, in their mid-sentence, your "guest"? This is not very polite. Mr. O'Reilly, have you not learned that there are different sides to all stories, not just your side? Mr. O'Reilly, Ann Coulter is a part of the Republican Party. Why don't you just ask her? Mr. O'Reilly, you are not the "light of America" where all have to be cleared by you to practice their freedoms. Mr. O'Reilly,you use the word Nazi to describe the KOS...How many people have they killed? I am suprised that more groups aren't reminding you of exactly what the Nazi's did. But you invoke the Nazi card as a last resort because your ranting and childlike behavior doesn't work any longer. Mr. O'Reilly, why don't you attack someone like Mr. Savage who demeans everyone and has higher ratings than you?
Mr. O'Reilly, I am being kind and fair in this post so that you don't call me any names. I am trying to be constructive so that,here in Pgh., they don't move you to 3 AM...10 pm is bad enough. Actually, we don't consider you as "live"
P.S. Tell Lanny that most people on the Kos,(never been there) or MMFA would appear on TV using their real names, but bums like him take up the space.
PPS.....I hope you don't lose anymore advertisers. Maybe by taking our advice, you will win out and stay on-air a long, long time
Thank You, Your Friends at Gay and Hispanic Cluster Home for Retired TalkShow Hosts.
P.S.
Funny how this guy doesn't even see himself in the hate mirror when he has led the republican hate toward the democrats for 6 years. I can't wait until we have a democratic president so that he won't have a job....... I have to admit that I did laugh a little about the picture.
The real question is why is Bill so afraid of DailyKos? Anyone with a web site filled with so much hate is no one to criticize others. If Bill is so worried aboutthe state of the web why doesn't he criticize all the far-right sites for their undying devotion to the Republicans?
How low can Billy go?
Everyone knows that O'Reilly is a liar and a dirtbag. No one is going to dispute that. It's common knowledge (like the sky is blue).
But Billy is also one of the rankest and foulest hypocrites of all time.
There's a special place in hell for this man.
One of the more hysterical statements ever made by Bill is his ridiculous one about the extremes of Democratic supporters. I have yet to see comments from any othe media person that even comes close to the hate filled speech that Bill Oreilley spews. It is actually quite comical to think of him sounding pompous about the low tone of speech from anyone. Well, on second thought, he is such an expert in it, I guess he feels he needs ot paint even innocents with the paint brush of hate to try to bamboozle readers and listeners. But Bill, the idea that you have any right to make these sorts of judgments is actually hysterically funny. Really, you have me almost splitting my sides just thinking about such a assinine idea.
Fox News fair and balanced? Ahaaahaaaa! Come spend a week at this neocon network, then repost your comments.
Plus, don't believe what you read in the polls. These polls are run by conservative companies.
I wish everyone on this board can see the inner workings of this scandalous neocon network. I'll give you a hint: Sex, lies and videotape.
Home Depot has announced in an e-mail that they will not sponsor Billy's show. Don't look for Jet Blue to advertise either.
If you want some action, contact the News Corp. Board of Directors at http://www.newscorp.com/ and tell them that you are unhappy with Bill O'Reilly. Their names and contact information is listed.
Way to go. I applaud you and pity you for having to endure working there.
I’m not a big fan of O’Rielly as I think he shoots from the hip and too often takes a populist position. Moreover, I don’t like to see people constantly being interrupted when they’re trying to make a point. That’s also my criticism of Alan Colmes who is even worse than O-Reilly in that regard.
Regarding the shunning of a Fox News channel debate by the Democrat presidential candidates, however, it’s pretty obvious that they don’t have the stomach for the type of questions that might be selected by the likes of Britt Hume. By contrast, note that the Republican candidates had to sit through the stupidest damn bunch of questions I’ve ever heard from the likes of noted liberal Chris Mathews.
Let’s face it. The Democrats are scared of the Fox News Channel. The fact that it’s the number one TV news channel makes them even more scared.
I say let’s have political arguments in the format of the old Lincoln-Douglas debates: two opposing candidates speak for 30 minutes each and then openly debate each other, providing their own questions and answers. I think the public would get a lot more out of such a debate and we could see what the candidates themselves really are rather than how well they perform in front of some media elite with 30-second sound bites.
First there is no such thing as a Democrat presidential candidate. There is a DemocratIC presidential candidate just like there are ReNAMBLAcan presidential candidates. Dems arent afraid of fox much less Brit Hume who is a complete moron, they dont want to even pretend that Fox is a legitimate news organization for the simple reason they are NOT. I would love the Lincoln/Douglass type debates that is FAR from subjecting yourself to a series of when did you stop beating your wife questions from a network solely comitted to propaganda.
O'Reilly is "spinning" faster than the Earth's rotation! He speaks with a forked tongue! This man will lie as fast as George Bush! Anyone who believes this man should please call me about land for sale in Pakistan!
He claims that Daily Kos is "hateful" and then he has Ann Coulter on his show calling for the DEATH of Democrat candidates!
I hope Bill turns to butter soon!