Reporting on conflict in Bush-Brown terrorism remarks, media did not note that U.S. intel expert supports Brown
In reporting on President Bush and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's July 30 press availability, several media outlets reported Brown's statement that "Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism," and noted that Brown's comments seemed to conflict with Bush's repeated assertions that Iraq is the "central front" in "the war on terror." But none reported that the congressional testimony by the chief U.S. intelligence analyst for international terrorism backs up Brown's assertion, describing Al Qaeda's growing presence in Afghanistan and Pakistan as a greater threat than "Al Qaeda in Iraq."
Other news outlets, such as ABC's World News, NBC's Nightly News, and the CBS Evening News, simply ignored the apparent discrepancy between Brown's and Bush's comments in reporting on the press availability during their July 30 broadcasts.
In his opening remarks, Brown said: "I strongly support President Bush's initiative, a bold initiative to make early progress in the Middle East peace process. Afghanistan is the front line against terrorism, and as we have done twice in the last year, where there are more forces needed to back up the coalition and NATO effort, they have been provided by the United Kingdom."
As a July 26 Boston Globe article reported, Edward Gistaro, the national intelligence officer for transnational threats, testified before two House committees on July 25 that "Al Qaeda terrorists operating in South Asia are better equipped to attack the United States than the network's followers in Iraq are." According to the Globe:
Asked which arm of Al Qaeda concerned him the most, Gistaro told a joint session of the House armed services and intelligence panels that it was South Asia.
"The primary concern is in Al Qaeda in South Asia organizing its own plots against the United States," he said. Al Qaeda planned the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks from its bases in Afghanistan.
The top leaders of the terrorist network, Gistaro added, are "able to exploit the comfort zone in the tribal areas" of Pakistan and Afghanistan and are "bringing people in to train for Western operations."
"We see increased efforts on the part of Al Qaeda to try and find, train, and deploy people who could get into this country," he testified.
Indeed, during his July 25 appearance before a joint hearing of the House Armed Services Committee and the House Select Committee on Intelligence, Rep. Robert Andrews (D-NJ) asked Gistaro which is more capable of attacking the United States: "Al Qaeda in Iraq" or the Al Qaeda operation in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of Pakistan, along the Afghanistan border. Gistaro testified that the FATA-based Al Qaeda contingent is more capable:
ANDREWS: Are they more capable or less capable of attacking us from the FATA relative to Iraq?
GISTARO: Sir, I think the [National Intelligence] Estimate speaks pretty clearly that we are primarily concerned with Al Qaeda in South Asia.
ANDREWS: So they're more capable in the FATA areas as they are in Iraq, right?
GISTARO: Yes, sir.
A Nexis search revealed that The New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, USA Today, the Associated Press, and CNN all covered Brown's statements, but presented them simply as a difference of opinion between the two leaders. For example, the Los Angeles Times, which has previously reported on how Gistaro's testimony "undercut[]" Bush's messaging on Iraq, noted the "different language the two leaders employed on Iraq and Afghanistan," but gave no indication that Brown's "language" is actually supported by U.S. intelligence:
President Bush and Britain's new prime minister, Gordon Brown, emphasized Monday that their nations are united by shared values and a deep commitment to defeat global terrorism.
But Brown also telegraphed his differences with the U.S. president over the issue, choosing to define the struggle as a fight against crime, instead of a war on terror, and calling Afghanistan, not Iraq, the front line.
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Bush was clearly aware that Brown was walking a fine line, and made a point of saying that Britain is as important to the United States as the other way around. "I would say that the relationship between Great Britain and America is our most important bilateral relationship," he said.
Still, the different language the two leaders employed on Iraq and Afghanistan stood out. When he was questioned about it, Brown appeared to smooth over the difference by saying that Afghanistan was "the first line in the battle against the Taliban."
Brown's official spokesman, who is not quoted by name according to British convention, said the prime minister meant both that Afghanistan is the "front line" and the "first line."
"What he meant was that Afghanistan was the front line and remains the front line where we are taking on the Taliban and Al Qaeda," said the spokesman.
Similarly, on the July 30 edition of CNN Newsroom, White House correspondent Ed Henry reported simply that Brown's comments "didn't seem to square with what Mr. Bush has said over and over that Iraq is the central front in the war on terror":
HENRY: But Mr. Brown did hint at the possibility of the fall of British troop pullouts, talking about how Britain has secured three out of the four provinces that they are in, and they hope to secure the fourth very soon.
And on the issue of Afghanistan, Mr. Brown said he believes Afghanistan is the front line in the fight against terrorism. That didn't seem to square with what Mr. Bush has said over and over that Iraq is the central front in the war on terror. Pressed by a British reporter to clarify, Mr. Brown said he also believes Al Qaeda is a threat in Iraq, which is more in line with what Mr. Bush has been saying.
The point is, there is very little daylight between these two men, but certainly potentially more daylight than there was between Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair.
As the Los Angeles Times article noted, later during the press availability, a reporter questioned Brown about this comment, and he recharacterized his remarks, saying "I think I described Afghanistan as the first line in the battle against the Taliban":
REPORTER: Mr. President, you trusted Tony Blair not, in your phrase, to cut and run from Iraq. After your talks, do you believe you can trust Gordon Brown in the same way?
And Prime Minister, you talked of Afghanistan being the front line in the struggle against terror, not Iraq. Do you believe that British troops in Iraq are part of the struggle against terrorism or, as many people now believe, making that harder, not easier, to win?
BROWN: Well, perhaps I should deal with the first one and then pass on to you, President.
In Iraq, you're dealing with Sunni-Shia violence, you're dealing with the involvement of Iran, but you're certainly dealing with a large number of Al Qaeda terrorists. And I think I described Afghanistan as the first line in the battle against the Taliban, and of course the Taliban in Afghanistan is what we are dealing with in the provinces for which we've got responsibility, and doing so with some success.
There is no doubt, therefore, that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them, and there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself.
So one of the tests that the military commanders will have on the ground, in the province for which we've got direct responsibility now and before we move from combat to overwatch, is whether we are strong enough and they are strong enough to enable them to stand up against that threat.

















Brown is correct Afghanistan was originally the front line because that is where the Al Qaeda training camp was.
Osama and his men were hosted by the Talibans. The Talibans has a very good realtionship with the grass root Pakistans across the border, which means this area needed to be watched as well.
Bush fabricated the need to go to Iraq and is fabricating the story that Iraq is the front line in the war on terror. Actually the military is the wrong tool to use in fighting organizations such a Osama and his men.
Bush wouldn't even go to Iraq if Iraq had no oil and grew only tomatoes.
It seems as though in almost every instance, Bush prefers a convenient and imagined political "reality" over the real thing.
Brown and Bush are both correct. Both Afghanistan and Iraq are military battlegrounds in the war against the jihadists. The part of Pakistan known today is Waziristan is also part of the global military conflict with jihadists. There is continuing armed conflict in other Muslim countries as well as in countries not so dominated but which have significant Muslim segments of the population: Jordan, Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, the Philippines, and Sudan, Mogadishu, Darfur, and several other African countries.
There was an Al Qaeda training camp in Iraq prior to the U.S.-Coalition invasion. British, French and U.S. intelligence correctly assessed Saddam’s WMD capability with respect to chemical and bio weapons but (unless we someday see evidence to the contrary in terms of assets trucked out of Iraq to Syria prior to the invasion) may have over estimated his nuclear capability. The U.N., the U.K., and both Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. were convinced that Saddam posed a dire threat to Middle East political and economic (primarily oil) interests.
Al Qaeda is today the primary force behind the bombings in Iraq which are intended to promote ethnic strife. Al Qaeda’s stake in Iraq is clear: If they win in Iraq, their cause is on the rise. Firstly, all of the moderate oil-producing Islamic states, e.g. Saudi Arabia Kuwait, Bahrain, would be in jeopardy of being overthrown. Secondly, they gain a huge psychological benefit in terms of recruiting young Muslims to the jihadist cause all around the world. If they lose, their cause will be in retreat around the world.
Afghanistan and Waziristan are important as well but they hold much less population and potential for participation in Global markets, including oil. But they are critically important in the jihadist-vs-moderate Muslim struggle throughout the world. This is the essential struggle: unless moderate Islam prevails over the jihadists, the world is threatened with an apocalyptic end.
These battlefronts are not the only battlefronts in this war. In the long run, the most important battlefront is the political battlefront right here in the U.S. between those who would use the difficulties of the struggle as a tool to gain political power and those who are down for the struggle.
OldMarine, where do you have this information? Iraq was being bombed for 10 years after the first Gulf War. It would seem that even President Bush disagrees (now) with the assertion that there were WMDs in Iraq. Joe Wilson was sent to investigate a false story based on forged documents. The Iraq war has only increased Al Qaida's growth and power.
TMAN,
Wow! For ten years after the Gulf War, Saddam’s aircraft were shot down if they violated the no-fly zones. Beginning with cessation of the Kuwait action, there was no bombing until the post-9/11 invasion.
It would seem no such thing. Wilson is a proven liar.
Al Qaeda is still around. What to do? Your recommendations …?
Oldie,
We've gone over this before. You provide the most misinformation that I have ever seen.
Everything you say is outdated, debunked or just crazy.
Please, for once, provide a source for this garbage so we know how delusional; you really are.
SKEPTICAL,
Are you saying we DID bomb Iraq between the end of the Gulf war and 9/11? Astounding!
As for Wilson, his verbal report to the CIA (for some strange reason, they did not require him to give a written report for that boondoggle) was proven to be a total fabrication - by a congressional committee. His quotes from the trip were false. The Saddam regime DID, in fact, make the inquiry regarding the purchase of yellow cake Uranium.
Your problem is that you’ve been listening to left wing lies for so long that you believe them (Goebbels was right). So, how about YOUR sources for these two tidbits?
How about your sources? What proved that Wilson was a liar?
[link to www.cnn.com] "Intelligence officials now concede those documents were forgeries." "The background ... makes it even more troubling that the 16 words eventually made it into the State of the Union speech," Tenet said. "This was a mistake."
[link to www.cnn.com] Further, in March 2003, the Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) released results of his analysis of the documents. Reportedly, it took IAEA officials only a matter of hours to determine that these documents were fake. Using little more than a Google search, IAEA experts discovered indications of a crude forgery, such as the use of incorrect names of Nigerian officials. "The I.A.E.A. was able to review correspondence coming from various bodies of the government of Niger and to compare the form, format, contents and signature of that correspondence with those of the alleged procurement-related documentation. Based on thorough analysis, the I.A.E.A. has concluded, with the concurrence of outside experts, that these documents, which formed the basis for the reports of recent uranium transaction between Iraq and Niger, are in fact not authentic. We have therefore concluded that these specific allegations are unfounded"
Here is a source (although with a few misspellings) that will show how much damage was done to Iraqi civilians and the country in general during the 1990s. [link to www.globalissues.org]
Washington Post 07/10/04:
“…
Wilson last year launched a public firestorm with his accusations that the administration had manipulated intelligence to build a case for war. He has said that his trip to Niger should have laid to rest any notion that Iraq sought uranium there and has said his findings were ignored by the White House.
Wilson's assertions -- both about what he found in Niger and what the Bush administration did with the information -- were undermined yesterday in a bipartisan Senate intelligence committee report.
The panel found that Wilson's report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson's assertions and even the government's previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush's January 2003 State of the Union address.
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The IAEA report you cite preceded the invasion and the trucking out of Iraq to Syria of God knows what.
As for the bombing of Iraq, I stand corrected. Yes, we did bomb Iraqi air force assets in the no-fly action but did not target any other assets much less civilians.
Of course civilians suffered during this ten year period. Whose fault was that? Could Saddam, who was dealing with members of the UN in the oil-for-food scandal have had anything to do with it? Sanctions didn’t hurt him or his cronies. It took his defeat to take care of that problem.You have cited part of Susan Schmidt's deeply flawed and sloppy article that misrepresents the full committee's conclusion and omits some pertinant information.
Here is what the full committee concluded about Wilson's report that Schmidt is supposedly referring to in that article you cited:
(U) Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassador's trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts' assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.
In short the Senate Intelligence Report shows that the people who were most right (State Department's INR)about WMD's in Iraq believed Wilson's account the same way Wilson remembers it - as casting doubt that Niger was selling yellow cake to Iraq.
The CIA (who got almost everything wrong including apparently comprehending Wilson's Report) never even mentioned Wilson's report to the Whitehouse according to the same Senate Intelligence Committee Report, which seems odd considering the CIA's claim Wilson's Report supposedly bolstered the opinions the Whitehouse was looking for support on.
"The IAEA report you cite preceded the invasion and the trucking out of Iraq to Syria of God knows what."--oldmarine
Don't tell me you still cling to that fairy tale. Let me know when you have any remotely persuasive evidence to support that. Lol.
"As for the bombing of Iraq, I stand corrected. Yes, we did bomb Iraqi air force assets in the no-fly action but did not target any other assets much less civilians."--oldmarine
Don't forget Desert Fox in 1998, which David Kaye partially credits for the final destruction of Iraq's remaining WMD production capabilities.
More baloney that any marginally informed person KNOWS has long been refuted. You need to stop getting your information from the bereau of Rush's butt. The CIA had told Bush long before the SOTU speech that they didnt believe the Niger story they had him remove it from a previous speech in Cincinatti that was just another Bush lie that someone took seriously for a WHILE but was then PROVEN to BE a lie
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A56336-2003Jul14?language=printer
Bush's position was at odds with those of his own aides, who acknowledged over the weekend that the CIA raised doubts that Iraq sought to buy uranium from Niger more than four months before Bush's speech.
You can keep coming in here and repeating what some rightwing bloviator TOLD you to say but you are just embarassing yourself
"Are you saying we DID bomb Iraq between the end of the Gulf war and 9/11? Astounding!"--oldmarine
Of course we did. Didn't you ever hear of Operation Desert Fox?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_%28December_1998%29
"As for Wilson, his verbal report to the CIA (for some strange reason, they did not require him to give a written report for that boondoggle) was proven to be a total fabrication - by a congressional committee. His quotes from the trip were false. The Saddam regime DID, in fact, make the inquiry regarding the purchase of yellow cake Uranium."--oldmarine
Please provide legitimate links to support your argument. I just see a bunch of regurgitated talking points spliced together without any real coherence.
You NEVER know what you are talking about we ABSOLUTLY bombed Iraq between the first Gulf war and the invasion and NO there isnt ANY evidence WHATSOEVER that Iraq tried to get any uranium from Niger in fact ALL evidence is to the contrary. Funny you mention Goebells since you parrot rightwing propaganda LONG AGO DEBUNKED like a demented mynah bird.
You are fast becoming the most delusional poster on this site
http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/MiddleEast/Iraq/Bombing.asp
""As I have told the House on many occasions," said Hain [Foreign Office minister Peter Hain of the Labour Party in UK] on 2 May, "we are not conducting a bombing campaign against Iraq . . ." The Royal Air Force, together with the US, bombs Iraq almost every day. Since December 1998, the Ministry of Defence has admitted dropping 780 tonnes of bombs on a country with which Britain is not at war. During the same period, the United States has conducted 24,000 combat missions over southern Iraq alone, mostly in populated areas. In one five-month period, 41 per cent of casualties were civilians: farmers, fishermen, shepherds, their children and their sheep - the circumstances of their killing were documented by the United Nations Security Sector. Now consider Hain's statement that no bombing campaign exists. In truth, it is the longest such campaign since the Second World War." -- Labour (UK's political party in power) , John Pilger, 7 Aug 2000. ]
Wilson is NOT a proven liar and he was absolutly CORRECT about the Niger/Uranium deal however you are proven to be completely delusional
And back on Planet EARTH, Iraq had ZERO chemical and biological capability, NO nuclear program WHATSOEVER and was the most secular Islamic state in the entire REGION. Your delusions are many and varied but have no connection whatsoever with REALITY