O'Reilly criticized Free Republic comments about Clinton despite objectionable comments on his own site
On the July 31 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly again attacked liberal blog Daily Kos as a "hate website" and said "[i]t is the Ku Klux Klan." He also criticized right-wing website Free Republic for posting "vile, hateful stuff," saying to Free Republic spokesman Kristinn Taylor: "[W]e pulled a bunch of stuff off your website today and it's pretty vile; it's pretty awful. You've got some pretty sick people posting -- a couple of examples: 'Homosexuals are dogs.' 'I hate blacks.' '[Sen.] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] should be assassinated.' 'A stray bullet should kill her' -- and on and on and on. ... [T]his is all on your website today." Guest and former Rep. Harold Ford Jr. (D-TN) later said of these examples: "[Y]ou don't find people posting that on a Fox News website." O'Reilly responded: "No, you don't, because we have standards." But on O'Reilly's own website, BillOReilly.com, as of 1 p.m. ET on August 1, comments attacking Clinton previously documented by AMERICAblog.com remain.
In one, a commenter remarks: "If Hillary wins, I will be respectful of our leader. If you could read my thoughts, I would be on the SS [Secret Service] watch list."
In another, a commenter writes in reference to Clinton: "As a woman, I would open the door for her ... now, if there was nothing on the other side but empty space and a 50 foot drop into a moat filled leeches and (gulp) rats ... well, I can't be held responsible."
On the July 26 edition of his show, while discussing Daily Kos, Fox News contributor Jane Hall said to him, "You had hateful comments on your website about Hillary Clinton," and O'Reilly responded: "No, I didn't. We took them off." But as Media Matters for America documented, the above comments could be found on BillOReilly.com at the time.
Further, responding to O'Reilly's criticism of Free Republic, Taylor claimed that "people ... come on the site deliberately to post things to make the site look bad." O'Reilly responded: "That's the same argument that the left-wing Nazi hate sites make -- that it's not really them; it's others." However, on the July 24 edition of The O'Reilly Factor, O'Reilly himself made this argument, accusing Daily Kos of having "planted someone" to leave offensive comments on his website. Later on the July 31 broadcast, O'Reilly appeared to reverse his position again, adding: "But you're right, a lot of it's planted."
Also, discussing the Democratic presidential candidates' decision to attend the YearlyKos Convention, O'Reilly claimed that Daily Kos "has intimidated the Democratic presidential candidates with the exception of Senator [Joseph] Biden [D-DE]," who has decided not to attend the convention. O'Reilly later said the Democrats are "afraid of them. They're afraid that they'll get smeared." O'Reilly similarly lauded Biden for not attending YearlyKos on the July 30 edition of his program. However, as Media Matters also noted, Biden's campaign -- in a diary entry on Daily Kos -- issued a response to the Factor segment describing O'Reilly's comments as "reckless" and "a total misrepresentation."
As Media Matters has documented, O'Reilly has repeatedly attacked Daily Kos in recent weeks, comparing it to the Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan, white supremacist David Duke, Italian dictator Benito Mussolini, and gangster Al Capone.
From the July 31 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: In the "Impact" segment tonight, as we've been reporting, the hate website Daily Kos has intimidated the Democratic presidential candidates with the exception of Senator Biden. So they are speaking at the Kos convention this coming weekend. There's no question that the most vile stuff imaginable is posted on this hate site and others like it.
Now, some on the left justify the garbage by pointing to right-wing websites like FreeRepublic.com, whose postings can get nasty as well.
With us now in the studio -- former Democratic Congressman Harold Ford Jr., now a Fox News analyst, and from Washington, Kristinn Taylor, a spokesperson for the Free Republic.
Mr. Taylor, I have to say, you know, we pulled a bunch of stuff off your website today and it's pretty vile; it's pretty awful. You've got some pretty sick people posting -- a couple of examples: "Homosexuals are dogs." "I hate blacks." "Hillary Clinton should be assassinated." "A stray bullet should kill her" -- and on and on and on.
TAYLOR: Well, Bill, all those things --
O'REILLY: You know, this is all on your website today.
TAYLOR: Well, all those things that you said violate our posting guidelines, and if we find them, we will remove them. That's not what we're about.
O'REILLY: What do you mean, if we find them?
TAYLOR: If we find them. We --
O'REILLY: This is what I don't understand. I found them, and it wasn't hard. And I went back and we did a trace just on me and some of the stuff that has been posted about me on your website, and it's just unbelievable. But when you say, "if we find them," shouldn't there be somebody there supervising this website?
TAYLOR: We do have volunteer moderators.
O'REILLY: Volunteer.
TAYLOR: However, now, there are thousands upon thousands of comments that are posted to the site every day. We don't exercise prior restraint. We rely on the good sense of people that are posting there, and 99 percent of them are good people who stay within our guidelines.
O'REILLY: OK.
TAYLOR: You also have people that come on the site deliberately to post things to make the site look bad.
O'REILLY: That's right.
TAYLOR: We used to have people that would post hardcore pornography pictures.
O'REILLY: But here -- let me give you -- let me give you some advice. That's the same argument that the left-wing Nazi hate sites make -- that it's not really them; it's others. Don't you have an obligation to the country to have not volunteers, but to have a professional person sit there and enforce some kind of standards for your website?
TAYLOR: It costs money, Bill. It costs money. Free Republic operates on donations.
O'REILLY: You got a lot people -- you know what? I bet you if you asked for donations for that, you would be able -- because as you said, most people are good people who come in. They would give you money so that they wouldn't have to be besmirched by these sick people. And they're sick.
But you're right, a lot of it's planted. And a lot of it is just crazy people who are surfing. But I believe you have an obligation, Mr. Taylor, to clean this thing up. It doesn't do you any good, because that's what they seize on.
TAYLOR: We do. I agree with you, Bill, and whenever we find it -- if I find it -- I report it to our moderators and they take care of it.
O'REILLY: All right. Well, you should do a better job because just today this is vile, hateful stuff.
Now, Harold Ford Jr. was the subject of some of this when you ran the last time around. But I have to say, and this is absolutely my opinion, I looked at Free Republic and I looked at Daily Kos, and Daily Kos is far worse. They revel in this kind of stuff.
The cartoon last night we showed of President Bush and Joseph Lieberman -- way beyond anything of free speech. It's hate. It's hate.
Now, you as an African-American, and you as somebody who's been subjected to hate, I mean, why aren't the Democrats distancing themselves from this?
FORD: Well, let me be clear. I'm not here to represent Daily Kos or Free Republic. I'm a believer and a supporter of free speech.
Nonetheless, there comes a time in political debate when one would hope it would be elevated to discussing the big, big issues. I'm the chair of a group called the Democratic Leadership Council. We've been subjected to untrue and awful and malicious things by a number of different websites.
We just continue to move forward and trek ahead. I do think that there's a lot to be said for providing resources and people who support these sites, the good people who may believe in -- what I don't understand is what Free Republic, frankly, believes in, because if you feel comfortable enough to post "I hate blacks" on a website -- you don't find people posting that on a Fox News website. So, there must --
O'REILLY: No, you don't, because we have standards. And that's what I told Mr. Taylor, that he's got to be more vigilant and hire somebody professionally to regulate it.
FORD: And on both sides, this is not -- but I think that is --
O'REILLY: But, look, here's how it gets elevated up. When you have all the Democratic presidential candidates, with the exception of Senator Biden, as I mentioned, going to a Kos convention, when they -- it is a hate site. It is the Ku Klux Klan. There's no difference. And why are they going, my God? Why are they going?
FORD: Hopefully, they will go and they will share their views and make clear that they are not aligned, much like Kristinn did here when he indicated that's not what Free Republic stands for.
O'REILLY: But why would you elevate anything like that?
FORD: I think Daily Kos -- I don't agree with all that they do, their political views, viewpoints -- but I think they make valid points that are agreed to by a number of Americans that the --
O'REILLY: But that doesn't matter. Every website can make valid points. If you traffic in hatred, as they do, if you demean the country and the office of the presidency and Joseph Lieberman, if you do that, you can't legitimize it. Surely you know that.
FORD: Personal attacks on anyone shouldn't have any place in politics. Unfortunately, it does.
O'REILLY: Well, certainly you know that that's what this website Kos is.
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O'REILLY: All right. Now it'll be interesting to see if any -- if they scold them, if Hillary Clinton goes in there and scolds them, then we'll run it. But I don't think they will because they're afraid of them. They're afraid that they'll get smeared.
FORD: Right. And that's a decision they have to make and they'll have to answer those questions. But I do think as a free speech supporter -- and I'm an enormous one of that -- people have every right to share what they want to share.
O'REILLY: Do you support hate speech?
FORD: I think -- no, anything that incites, of course not.
O'REILLY: OK. I support free speech, but I draw the line at hate speech.
I really get the impression he does not get it. His site has hate speech on it, why can he not take care of his own web site before judging others?
Because in Bill's world he is a righteous man. His shizzit smells of rose water and peppermint.
I guess Bill can say or do no wrong, he is perfect and when you dare question him he yells and shuts your mike off.
Did you notice how he treated the freeper republic owner with respect though? How come he isn't seething with rage with him the same way he seethes with rage at the owner of the daily kos?
Bill selectively spews his hate
I dunno. Could it be.... BIAS?
Thanks Snoop...
You just nailed it.
The hypocrisy is astounding.
O'Reilly, you gutless wonder. You'll bring on a Freeper and tell them they're not as bad as Kos?
Bring a Kos representative on your show, sissy boy. Tell them they're worse than FreeperMadness.com.
Considering a freeper poster named Chad Constagna allegedly sent fake anthrax letters to 12 anti-war celebrities and politicians, one might think their site's posters' might reasonably deserve to be put in their own little category of complete nutjobs.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Fake_anthrax_hoax_by_conservative_blogger_1113.html
To Bill, "I hate blacks" on the FreeRepublic site doesn't cause it to deserve comparison to the Ku Klux Klan or to the Nazis. That would be oh so unfair to them.
I'm sick of this guy and of all his mindless, gullible viewers.
When all is said and done. When it's all over, and these dirtbags have been swept away, this will remain:
O'REILLY WAS A COWARD.
"Was?"
A quick internal monologue by B O'Reilly, or Shallow Thoughts by Bill O'Reilly:
O'REILLY: I looked at Free Republic and I looked at Daily Kos, and Daily Kos is far worse. They revel in this kind of stuff.
O'REILLY: Look, this is the tactic, Lanny. You've justified bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.
Okay, okay, O'Reilly is a buffoon and a bully and not even very bright, and maybe this is the best way to take him down a peg on this issue -- illustrate his hypocrisy.
But to me, the really stupid element of all of this is that O'Reilly is using public comments on a blog to discredit the blog itself.
That is just mind-numbingly stupid.
It's kind of funny that he's at least making a nod to his pretensions of "independence" by criticizing Freepers too. That's almost a transparent as his attacks on NBC, standing in for KO.
I agree about O'Reilly trying to demonstrate his independence. Considering how blatantly obvious O'Reilly was in attacking the left-wing sites, he had to throw in a token right-wing site after the hypocrisy became simply too obvious to deny.
Right Arch,
It's mindnumbingly dumb.
What does this say about his audience. Are they really this stupid?
I'll bet you do...
When I read BO's "I draw the line at hate speech", I immediately pictured him on a sidewalk, bent over with a piece of chalk in his hand doing a slow pirouette until he'd drawn a complete circle.
Around himself.
It must be nice for BO to live in his own little fantasy world where facts (like hate posts on his own site) can be conveniently ignored.
The hate on his web site means that he can not say anything about the Daily Kos or any other site. Hate is hate and Bill needs to clean up his own hate site first.
Um? A photoshopped parody suggesting that Joementum performs "at the pleasure of the President" is somehow far worse than death threats, blatant racism and homophobia? How does that equation work?
I think it works like this. The Daily Kos prints a lot of truth that is diametrically opposed to BilldO's BS.The posters there can comment on the issues with less restraint than the bloggers of the site, further exposing right wing BS.
FreeRepublic follows much of the same ideology and propaganda tactics that O'Reilly does.They are held to a lower standard than even BO, by virtue of their medium.
BilldO traffics in sensationalism and shoddy logic, and the FR does the same, with less accountability.
But the posters at Freeperville aare what really steams BO. They can be bigoted, hateful and moronic to a degree that BO can't touch,BO having to maintain the illusion of doing "news".
That is, some drunken old geezer with a desktop in his trailer can do BilldO's act better than BO can.
Parodying gay sex is far worse that racism if you're a racist. BOR is a racist, simple as that. I've lost all respect for Harold Ford.
Not up to the task...
Harold Ford was simply not up to the task of defending himself and Democrats on the Bill O'Reilly filth show.
He simply didn't know what he was walking in to. So, he weakened, and lacked the fortitude and the courageousness to defend himself and Democrats.
He's a babe in the woods, and a loser.
I'm not letting Harold Ford off the hook on this. He was recently hired as an FNC analyst so that means he's being compensated for milquetoast perspectives and apologist banter.
I know he's from a Red State and has to play the right-leaning dem. But failure to engage O'Reilly on this does not bode well. It's time for the DLC to just go away.
Harold Ford was also a big fan of Imus and appeared regularly on the racist Imus show.
He certainly did and I have my issues with Ford for doing that. I think he gave Imus cover for the type of humor he and particularly Bernie did. I think Imus beleived Ford's frequent guest shots and Imus' support of his bid for Senator somehow would or should have eliminated any racial insensitivity charges. Of course it did not. That said, Ford seems to be a pretty conservative Democrat. I imagine that's why he has been included in Fox's line-up of mouth pieces.
Oh please......is that all you got.....2 pathetic examples. one a bad joke at best the other by an idiot.,... On Kos the posts in question are of the ut most hate, with malice, pure evil......no comparison here at all.....just another biased story about two completely different levels of speech. Any honest person would draw the same conclusion. Nothing here.....move along......NEXT!
Try to keep up Troll-boy.
It's not the sites that are posting these things, they are not posts, they are comments, by users, and apparently, Kos, and other sites don't monitor the comments section as much as other places (like MMFA for instance), which is OK. What commentors place on these sites is not indicative of what is actually on the site itself. I'm not surprised you don't see the difference. When you can hold up an actual Kos writer and say what he or she said was really hate speech, and in relation to the KKK or Nazis, then I might listen, but until then, you're just blowing in the wind my friend, and have nothing at all.
I wouldn't say that MMFA "monitors" the comments. I suspect (I don't know for sure) that they don't actively monitor them, and instead rely on the "flagging" of posts by other posters and readers. I suspect "hateful" posts could remain for hours or even days from the time they're posted, then flagged, and ultimately yanked, depending on when the posting occurs.
And this isn't a slam on MMFA. Frankly, I find some of the other site's posts unreadable not because they're unmoderated but because they're just full of "me too" type posts. Really lousy reading. I'm not sure why MMFA isn't as cluttered with that sort of response (lower number of visitors overall, perhaps?) but it does make for better reading.
I'd prefer a slashdot type "karma" system where readers could rate posts and then the browsing of the posts would filter by rating. You could read everything, but by default only the best posts would filter to the top. It'd do wonders for handling the regular appearance of "why is this here" nonsense as well as some of the annoying repetitive postings we see here from some. And if there's a general consensus that someone is a troll, they just vanish from site.
tweakthetroll-
"Any honest person would draw the same conclusion."
Speaking of which. I would like to here fr: anyone who has read Daily Kos and honestly agrees w/ B.O.'s statements*, and how they justify agreeing w/ him.
*Daily Kos “…haters, that’s what they do, that’s all they do”"The website sells hate, as does the KKK and the Nazis. The comparison is valid."The hate this website traffics in rivals the KKK and Nazi websites.”Nothing different than the Nazis or the Ku Klux Klan do.
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There is no comparison. The PROOF is in the policy, the stances, the political activities. The Rightwing engage in the most hateful, divisive, intolerant and even violent actions and words.
It's what they DO.
They call any who disagree with them TRAITORS and WITH THE TERRORISTS. They are AGAINST helping anyone in need, they despise the troops and use up their lives like Kleenex because CEO's are making billions. They smear decorated combat vets for purely partisan reasons, and with LIES. They LIE about the reasons for going to WAR. The Rightwing birthed smearmerchants Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, crooks Gordon Liddy and Cunningham, and KKK Grand Wisard David Duke was a REPUBLICAN in modern times ... not in the distant past.
There is no comparison. But do hateful posts show up in "leftist" sites? Absolutely! Bill O'Reilly admits and explains how that can happen: PLANTS by the opposition to make the site look bad ... and to provide bloviating propagandists like Bill O'Reilly with material.
It's the POLICY that matters, however. GOP policy is TERRIBLE for America and Americans, and so GOPers must be purged from public office. The polls all indicate this is inevitable, so all is well. Hate mail will come from haters, and that will not change. Tunnel-visioned hypocrite Bill O'Reilly will continue to try to be relevant, and that will not change (until he is removed from his employment).
HATE SPEECH is the sole province of the Rightwing. They OWN it, because they LIVE it. Any stray hateful talk from a leftwinger is just justified frustration over the callous and cruel behaviors and actions of rightwingers. What passes as "examples of hate speech" the rightwing dredges up against "lefties" is of the ilk of Michael Moore (who only wants everyone to have proper health care) and Cindy Sheehan (who wants American Soldiers out of the pointless harm's way created by the NeoCons). Their CAUSE is not hateful ... they only react to the hatefulness of Rightwingers' policies.
And that's the REALITY of "hate". Next topic: "FEAR". The Rightwing OWNS it, because they LIVE in it.
Here, Here Tex! A brilliant and honest post. They created partisan media as soon as the fairness doctrine was killed during the Reagan era (It's no coincidence that the demonization of the term 'liberal" and the rise of Rush Limbaugh coincide with the discontinuation of the doctrine. While us libs attack the administration because of proven to be stupid policies, the right attacks us for being merely being liberal. Since the cold war ended, they needed to find a new enemy to attack and that became liberalism.
Actually, I seem to remember the term "liberal" becoming demonized long before the Fairness Doctrine was taken out. I saw something, or read something (wish I could remember which) that basically said during the times of JFK and slightly before, republicans were starting to use the word "liberal" in a derogatory way, long before Reagen took power. But that's just nit picking I know. It's a word that has been demonized, and continues to be, for really no good reason at all, except that it's another scare tactic by republicans and conservatives to make the other side look like the boogeyman. Somehow liberal has come to mean, for gay marriage, want to take your guns away, doesn't believe in God, wants to take your Bible, pro-abortion (whatever that means), and so on and so forth. You know the list. Oh, and of course now we're "for the terrorists", or some other nonsense.
Eric Alterman wrote a bit on this, comparing quotes from JFK and HRC when each was asked if he/she was a "liberal." (I think it was his blog here at MMFA a few weeks/months ago) So, yes, the demonization of the term dates back to before JFK.
Oh ye of short-term memories. Certainly conservatives have equated liberalism with communism and socialism as a response to FDR's New Deal and have LBJs Great Society. I was suggesting that their efforts blossomed during the Reagan era especially once the Fairness Doctrine was dismantled and they could repeat their mischaracterizations ad nauseum.
talk radio would be great if they would engage in real debate, but how can you debate them when your opponent is also the moderator and has his/her finger on the mute button or will cut your mic ala Oreilly and Jane Hall, and then declare themselves the winners of the debate. It's like Alice through the Looking Glass really.
Rush Limbaugh's rise can be directly attributed to the dismantling of FD, as can discontinuation of the term liberal by liberals themselves. Look it up.
This is the most ridiculous and stupid theme I've ever heard taken up by a talkshow.
1. Instead of saying "Oh well you do it tooooo!", say "Bill, just like editorial pages of newspapers, we provide a forum for free discussion. Some people are not polite communicators. If they violate our TOS, we delete the post and boot them, and every post is not indicitive of what the founders of this site stand for."
2. Don't even respond. Seriously. Who cares of Bill O'Reilly calls you a chicken. Release a statement that says "Bill, you're out of touch. Welcome to the internet." and be done with it.
Oh yeah, that not responding thing has worked so well in the past.
What I find interesting is that B.O.'s site has (or had, haven't been there in a while) a statement saying "we are not responsible for the comments of people who post here." (to paraphrase).
DailyKos has a similar statement. That while they prohibit hate speech, they are not able to monitor every post.
The first thing people should say to BO is, "what about the comments on your site? They have been filled with hate in the past and made death threats regarding liberals, minorities, and basically anyone who does not agree 100% with you. Why don't you clean up your site before you attack others?"
Of course before you got half way through your mike would be cut off.
And as for the poster who said, "only two examples! not enough proof (or whatever)." Do some research some time, BO's site and Freeperpublic are filled with posts from users that say very negative and hateful things all the time. MMFA is just using two examples of this to illustrate a point.
You know, if yall keep this up, Media Matters is gonna be targeted next as, "hateful." ;)
Too late for that. This site has been targetted many times over by O'Reilly, and others just like him. It's hard to attack a site for being a "smear" site, as they so often call MMFA when it is their own words posted on said site.
Ah Bill O just killing time before the War on Christmas starts I think.
O'REILLY: OK. I support free speech, but I draw the line at hate speech.
Looks like ol' Biil can't tell the difference....
I want to know what is with Harold Ford Jr and some of his comments. It sounds like pandering to the far, far, far right to me! He seems to be a DINA and it is embarrassing to real Democrats and Progressives!
NEXT on "The No-Brain Zone:" Billo takes on Townhall.com! Adjusts his kneepads first!
I think Harold Ford's answer to Bill was very interesting. When O'Reilly said " Do you support hate speech?" Ford says "I think -- no, anything that incites, of course not." Well, of course you don't support things that incites but that is not what Bill O is talking about. I don't think a poster saying they hate blacks or gays or liberals rises to the level of hate speech. It is dumb speech but I believe people should have the right to say it. What does rise is saying that the same group should be harmed. Bill O thinks saying mean spiteful things (mostly about him) is hate and Ford should have called him on it.
Huh! I'm black and if you hate me because of that only, THAT'S HATE SPEECH at it's very core.
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY IT SURE . . . BUT I HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT MY FOOT UP . . . .OOPS . . . THAT MIGHT QUALIFY AS HATE SPEECH.
I'm black too but I have to disagree. I think there is a difference between bigoted speech and hate speech. Having someone say they hate black people is different than someone encouraging violence against black people. I defend everyone's right to say mean and bigoted things. And you are 100% right that when they do all of us need to call these people out as the ignorant people they are. But there are laws against the type of speech that encourages violence against other people. That is what Harold Ford was saying he was against people being able to say. I was trying to point out that he should have taken a stronger 1st amendment stance against Bill.
H-MAN
Shouldn’t the presence of the word hate automatically make it hate speech? That said I don't care if a stranger hates me or not. Actually that I hate Black people post is a pretty tame example of what can be found over there. It's just one of the reasons I've steered clear of that site. It was some very offensive race stuff there, Blacks living off the government, Blacks having criminal and immorality genes etc..., they should go back to Africa, yada, yada, yada.Free Republic has a section heading entitled "Homosexual Agenda." It is ridiculous that BOR compares DailyKos to Free Republic, and comes to the conclusion that Kos is worse b/c of its comments. The comments section is not the only place where hate is spewed at the Free Republic. Of course I'm not surprised at all.
I am sooooooo confused! So Billy does not consider calling people moron, pinhead, idiot, nazi, KKK member, and so many other things hate speech? Does he consider these terms of endearment? Well, I tried it, I called my sweetie a "pinhead-nazi-idiot". The doctor said the stitches can be taken out in about ten days.
Bill know his Sh*#. Why do you guys try to smear him?
Can oreilly be charged under the patriot act sec 803 and sec 811 for encouraging a terrorist act to be committed on American soil when he invited and communicated with al Qaeda over an electronic device {his radio show} to come and blow up the coit towers in San FranciscoThis would make him an enemy combatant
Bill O'Riley does not understand history when making a comparison of the Daily KOS to the Ku Klux Klan. The last time I checked, DKOS does not advocate & participate in terror & murder. Recommended reading for Mr. O'Riley:
KU KLUX KLAN AMERICA'S FIRST TERRORISTS EXPOSED
Otherwise, O'Riley should avoid making comparisons for which he demonstrates no knowledge of.
The fact that there is a segment of the population that accepts and doesn't question the garbage spewed from the bigoted mind's of guys like Bill-O, Ann Coulter & Glenn Beck is a sad statement on America. is there any way that we can take a mulligan or request a do-over for the first decade of the 21st century? It certainly rivals any era as one of our least finest moments.