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Debate's "brightest moment"? Few media note that even while attacking Obama, Romney agreed on substance

August 06, 2007 6:20 pm ET

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In covering the August 5 Republican presidential debate on ABC's This Week, many print media outlets reported former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's attack -- in what the Associated Press' Mike Glover referred to as one of the debate's "brightest moments" -- on Sen. Barack Obama's (D-IL) recent foreign policy statements: "[I]n one week, he went from saying he's going to sit down, you know, for tea, with our enemies, but then he's going to bomb our allies. I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week." Romney was referring to Obama's statement in an August 1 speech that "[i]f we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and [Pakistani] President [Pervez] Musharraf won't act, we will." Giuliani also criticized Obama, claiming that Obama "didn't express" his comments "the right way," adding: "I think the senator, if he could just say it over again, might want to say that we would encourage Musharraf to allow us to do it if we thought he couldn't accomplish it." But in no case did these reports note, as debate moderator George Stephanopoulos did, that when Giuliani was asked about Obama's comments on the day of the speech, he did not criticize Obama, but rather echoed his position: "[W]ould that be an option that's on the table, which is we have a chance to catch bin Laden and we have got to do it ourselves because we're not sure if somebody is going to do it correctly -- yeah, I think I would take that option." And, in several cases, the media outlets did not report that even amid their criticism, both Romney and Giuliani affirmed during the debate that they would retain the option of acting against Osama bin Laden over Pakistan's objections, if necessary.

Romney attacked Obama's foreign policy statements early in the debate, at which point Stephanopoulos said they would return to the topic:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Governor Romney, are you and Mayor Giuliani and Senator [John] McCain [R-AZ] all in the same place right now on Iraq?

ROMNEY: I think we're pretty much in the same place. It is critical for us to win this conflict. It is essential, and that's why we are going to continue to pursue this effort, and we're going to get a report from General [David] Petraeus on the success, and I agree that the Brookings Institution report over the weekend was a very encouraging indication that we're making progress. That's great news.

At the same time, you look at that Democratic debate -- I had to laugh at what I saw Barack Obama do. I mean, in one week, he went from saying he's going to sit down, you know, for tea with our enemies, but then he's going to bomb our allies. I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week.

STEPHANOPOULOS: We're going to get to that.

Stephanopoulos later challenged Giuliani's criticism of Obama's August 1 statements, noting that Giuliani had also said that he would retain the option of going into Pakistan over Musharraf's objections:

STEPHANOPOULOS: Governor Romney, you said you didn't agree with Obama's plan. You called it ill-timed and ill-considered. Mayor Giuliani, on Charlie Rose the other night, you said, "I would take that option." Why don't you guys take two minutes and debate this issue out.

GIULIANI: Well, I believe -- I believe that that is an option that should remain open. I think the senator didn't express it the right way. I think the senator, if he could say it over again, might want to say that we would encourage Musharraf to allow us to do it if we thought he couldn't accomplish it. But the reality is America should not take --

STEPHANOPOULOS: But if he said no, you'd go in.

GIULIANI: I didn't say we'd go in, I said I wouldn't take that option off the table.

STEPHANOPOULOS: No, well, you actually said, "I would take that option."

GIULIANI: I said I would keep that option open.

STEPHANOPOULOS: No, you said --

GIULIANI: In any event --

STEPHANOPOULOS: -- "If we had a chance to take bin Laden, we've got to do it ourselves, because we're not sure if someone else is going to do it correctly. Yeah, I think I would take that option."

GIULIANI: Well, I would take that option if I thought there was no other way to crush Al Qaeda, no other way to crush the Taliban, and no other way to be able to capture bin Laden.

Romney followed Giuliani by stressing that "America always maintains our options to do whatever we think is in the best interests of America," but simultaneously criticized Obama for articulating the option he had just said must remain on the table:

ROMNEY: It's wrong for a person running for the president of the United States to get on TV and say "we're going to go into your country unilaterally." Of course America always maintains our options to do whatever we think is in the best interests of America. But we don't go out and say: "Ladies and gentlemen of Germany, if ever there was a problem in your country, and we didn't think you were doing the right thing, we reserve the right to come in and get 'em out." We don't say those things. We keep our options quiet. We do not go out and say to a nation which is working with us, where we've collaborated and they are our friend and we're trying to support Musharraf and strengthen him and his nation, that instead that we intend to go in there and potentially bring out a unilateral attack.

The New York Times reported on August 6 that "[b]oth Mr. Romney and, to a lesser extent, Mr. Giuliani criticized Mr. Obama for a speech in which he threatened to send American troops into Pakistan without that nation's approval," adding: "But later, under questioning, both said that as president they would keep open that very option, although they said Mr. Obama had been imprudent to raise the prospect of invading an ally."

But other print outlets reporting on the Republicans' attacks left out the key fact that both Giuliani and Romney had acknowledged agreeing that the United States should retain the option to act against bin Laden in Pakistan over Musharraf's objections. An August 6 USA Today article reported that "Romney and Giuliani criticized Democratic contender Barack Obama for publicly threatening to take unilateral military action in Pakistan against al-Qaeda targets if the Musharraf regime refused to act." The article quoted Romney's attack, but omitted his and Giuliani's later comments:

Romney and Giuliani criticized Democratic contender Barack Obama for publicly threatening to take unilateral military action in Pakistan against al-Qaeda targets if the Musharraf regime refused to act. At a Democratic debate nearly two weeks earlier, the Illinois senator also said he was willing to sit down with such U.S. foes as Hugo Chavez of Venezuela and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran.

"In one week he went from saying he's going to sit down, you know, for tea, with our enemies, but then he's going to bomb our allies," Romney said. "He's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week."

Also participating in the debate were U.S. representatives Duncan Hunter of California and Tom Tancredo of Colorado, and former governor Tommy Thompson of Wisconsin.

An August 6 Los Angeles Times article noted that Giuliani criticized Obama despite "agree[ing] that taking on Al Qaeda unilaterally in Pakistan was 'an option that should remain open.' " The article also quoted Romney's attack on Obama, but did not note his later comments:

There were other barbed moments. Romney fired a well-rehearsed line about Obama's recent remarks that he would consider meeting with several notorious dictators and that he might take action against Al Qaeda terrorists in Pakistan without approval from that nation's leader.

"In one week he went from saying he's going to sit down, you know, for tea with our enemies, but then he's going to bomb our allies," Romney mocked. "I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week."

Obama's campaign was quick to return fire to Romney's riff.

"The fact that the same Republican candidates who want to keep 160,000 American troops in the middle of a civil war couldn't agree that we should take out Osama bin Laden if we had him in our sights proves why Americans want to turn the page on the last seven years of Bush-Cheney foreign policy," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.

[...]

Referring to last week's devastating bridge collapse in Minneapolis, the GOP rivals found common ground in insisting that increased private investment from cutting taxes would provide more money to repair the nation's failing infrastructure. And they teamed up in turning their aim at the Democratic Party's presidential field.

Though Giuliani agreed that taking on Al Qaeda unilaterally in Pakistan was "an option that should remain open," he said Obama "didn't express it the right way."

An August 5 Associated Press article reported just Romney's attack:

Romney, too, was eager to criticize Democrats. His chosen target was Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, who said recently he would be willing to meet with the leaders of Cuba, North Korea and Iran in his first year in office, and declared in a speech he would order military action to capture terrorists in Pakistan if that nation's president did not.

"I mean, in one week he went from saying he's going to sit down, you know, for tea, with our enemies, but then he's going to bomb our allies," said Romney. "I mean, he's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week."

Obama's campaign spokesman responded promptly. "Before he makes more false accusations, Mitt Romney should tell us why he believes we should keep 160,000 American troops in the middle of someone else's civil war but not take out Osama bin Laden if we had him in our sights," said Bill Burton.

Giuliani provided a rare moment of laughter, dodging a question about the defining mistake of his life with a quip.

A separate August 5 Associated Press "analysis" of the debate also left out any mention Romney's and Giuliani's positions on Pakistan, instead describing Romney's attack on Obama as one of the "brightest moments of the debate" and "[p]otentially the most memorable line":

The brightest moments of the debate may have taken place when the candidates turned their fire toward their Democratic counterparts. Potentially the most memorable line came when Romney attacked Democrat Barack Obama for first suggesting he would talk to hostile foreign leaders and then raising the potential of going into Pakistan to root out terrorists.

"He's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week," said Romney.

That assault cheered some strategists who said it could mark the beginning of a phase where GOP candidates go on the offensive.

The Washington Post noted just Romney's attacks in its August 6 article:

Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), in particular, was singled out for saying last week that he would act against terrorists in Pakistan without the support of its president. Former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney contrasted those comments with Obama's remark during a recent debate that he would be willing to meet with all foreign leaders.

"I mean, in one week he went from saying he's going to sit down, you know, for tea, with our enemies, but then he's going to bomb our allies," Romney said. "He's gone from Jane Fonda to Dr. Strangelove in one week."

Bill Burton, a spokesman for Obama, quickly responded that "the fact that the same Republican candidates who want to keep 160,000 American troops in the middle of a civil war couldn't agree that we should take out Osama bin Laden if we had him in our sights, proves why Americans want to turn the page on the last seven years of Bush-Cheney foreign policy."

Former New York mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani sparked loud applause when he declared that "the knee-jerk liberal Democratic reaction -- raise taxes to get money -- very often is a very big mistake." And Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) declared his disappointment in the Democratic push to end the war in Iraq.

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    • Author by jscott (August 06, 2007 6:29 pm ET)
         

      So Julie-Annie thinks we should just, ask permission?!?  WTF?

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    • Author by tommy (August 06, 2007 6:33 pm ET)
         

      Two threads indicting the media for "uncritically" (MMFA's favorite word for not giving the Democratic response) reporting Romney's criticism of Obama?

      Gee, a Republican presidential candidate takes a swipe at a Democratic presidential candidate in a debate........now, there's misinformation or "furthering the conservative agenda" (MMFA's favorite code word for something they don't like.)

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      • Author by jscott (August 06, 2007 6:37 pm ET)
           

        Tommy, Tommy.  IT's just that, well, you see, they LIE a lot.  Or can you point me to a transcript of Obama opining about tea time?  Crumpets anyone?

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        • Author by tommy (August 06, 2007 6:39 pm ET)
             

          Romney is campaigning, and it's politics.  Obviously anyone knows the "tea" reference is a lame attempt at satire, a metaphor, whatever.  

          The point is who wouldn't expect the candidates to jab at each other, especially when they are jockeying for media exposure, of any kind.  

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          • Author by norotornomotor9010 (August 06, 2007 6:42 pm ET)
               

            Romney is campaigning, and it's politics.  Obviously anyone knows the "tea" reference is a lame attempt at satire, a metaphor, whatever.

            Satire to many here is the same as lieing. IMHO.

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          • Author by pete592 (August 06, 2007 6:57 pm ET)
               

            Is it also "politics" to say that Obama wants to bomb our allies when he made it perfectly clear in his speech that he's targeting terrorists?

            Romney is a freaking LIAR. 

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      • Author by pete592 (August 06, 2007 6:52 pm ET)
           

        At least you're finally reading the "About Us" link.

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    • Author by jscott (August 06, 2007 6:34 pm ET)
         

      And yes, you read it right, their answer to upgrading the infrastructure is to CUT TAXES.  Private investment?  This dovetails nicely with Jim Hightowers recent bulletin about the right-wing dream of "privatizing" our nations roads, bridges, tunnels, and municipal systems.  It's really scary what they've got up their sleeves.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (August 06, 2007 6:36 pm ET)
         

      ROMNEY: I think we're pretty much in the same place. It is critical for us to win this conflict. It is essential, and that's why we are going to continue to pursue this effort, and we're going to get a report from General [David] Petraeus on the success

      So I'd say they already know what Gen Petraeus is going to tell his boss ? And i am gessing Pres Bush has also already told the general what to say. The whole thing smells !

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    • Author by CaseySpring (August 06, 2007 6:41 pm ET)
         

      Romney to me sounds more and more like a snake oil salesperson.

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      • Author by tommy (August 06, 2007 6:44 pm ET)
           

        Let me go on record by saying if it's between Romney or Clinton for president, I write in Jeter......(I just may write in Jeter regardless)

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        • Author by tommy (August 06, 2007 6:45 pm ET)
             

          Or you Casey, I could vote for you.

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        • Author by jeter2 (August 06, 2007 7:16 pm ET)
             

          *Blushing*

          Tommy I would be honored to have your support.

          Casey we can flip a coin on who gets top billing on the ticket

          Tommy, pick out whatever Cabinet Post you'd like...it's yours.

          Unless of course you'd like to be nominated to the Supreme Court.

          Now who to pick for White House Press Secretary?

          Mmmmm....

          I think Solon would be an excellent choice.

          I'd get a real kick out of hearing him call the press "Morons!"

          ;-)

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          • Author by Lynn (August 06, 2007 7:31 pm ET)
               

            Nope, if Tommy is heading the Supreme Court  I'm leaving town. OMG a Libertarian in charge of the US legal system the end is near.  Seriously I think you and Tommy had better prepare for either a Clinton-Obama, Clinton-Edwards, or Clinton-Richards  administration. I think that’s what we're going to get and of course I'd be fine with that although I would be fine with any combination of those candidates.  Now I wouldn’t wager a dollar on that prediction because honestly I have never been able to predict how my fellow citizens will vote. Never, we are so quirky.

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      • Author by jscott (August 06, 2007 8:00 pm ET)
           

        Snake oil, huh?  That explains the hair.....

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    • Author by temphandle cusps43broadcasters (August 06, 2007 7:48 pm ET)
         

      I have been supporting Obama, but am disturbed by his statement about attacking Al Quida targets in Pakistan.

      I think the problem her is that he is being too honest. No serious presidential candidate and no President should state that we are prepared to do this. Such statements cause very serious problems with the U.S. realtionship with Pakistan. But if Pakistan fails to act, and if the opportunity of using a SURGICAL strike in Pakistan that has a high probability of taking out the main leadership of Al Quida presents itself, the President should do it, just as Clinton did. SPEAK SOFTLY BUT CARRY A BIG STICK!

      But Obama is right in ruling out nuclera weapons to do this. Not only would this be a classical case of trying to swat a fly with a sledgehammer, but dropping a nuclear bomb on a country that has nuclear weapons is a VERY, VERY foolish thing to do.

       

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    • Author by temphandle cusps43broadcasters (August 06, 2007 7:53 pm ET)
         

      "raise taxes to get money -- very often is a very big mistake"

       Of course it is a mistake from the point of the Republicans because such a policy will not help it achieve its objective of making the rich richer.

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    • Author by bruce1ace (August 06, 2007 9:58 pm ET)
         

      So if Republicans agree with Obama's assessment, doesn't that make Obama wrong by definition?

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    • Author by copiousdissent.blogspot.com (August 06, 2007 11:54 pm ET)
         

      So let me get this straight.

       

      Romney makes a perfect point that regardless if you believe we should invade Pakistan, you never say that publicly, and MMFA says this is misinformation???

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      • Author by nerzog (August 07, 2007 9:30 am ET)
           

        Curiousdessert, you might have a point, but Obama never said he would invade Pakistan. Certainly invasion could be one possibility, but there are others, you know. The Puddinhead George Iraq model is way down on the list of effective foreign policy decisions.

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    • Author by campaignman (August 07, 2007 12:26 am ET)
         

      The reality is that Barack needed to clarify just what the Bush administration has been unwilling to do because instead of really asking Pakistan if it is with us or against us it has allowed itself to be manipulated by Pakistan into agreeing to give Osama a safe haven.

      Moreover, on moral grounds we should never again use a nuclear weapon and on practical grounds there should not just be a fear that Pakistan might seek to retaliate against us for a nuclear strike, but that what remains of Al Qaeda might do so too.

      Again, while Presidents don't normally comment on such things, given the  existing danger of a nuclear attack by Al Qaeda right now, I think it is wise to make it clear to potential sympathizers that we have no intention of using such weapons first.  It can take the moral self-justification away from some borderline nut who might otherwise participate in such an attack.

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    • Author by Martha Joseph (August 07, 2007 3:11 am ET)
         

      My favorite rightwing media disinformation coverage of Obama's comments was by Malkin substituting for Billious tonight - she had a "Democratic" strategist type on and she demanded to know what he thought about the fact that Obama's comments were 'inciting the burning of American flags in Pakistan' and then showed a photograph with two effigies aflame dressed in American flag costumes...She moo-ed her rightwing 'see what Obama's naive comments are doing in Pakistan!' outrage...uh, only, as the camera later panned down to expose the entire picture, there were two handwritten signs under the effigies -- one about Tancredo and other about Bush...nary an Obama name to been seen...

       The right and the MSM continually miscalculate about Obama.  He tied going in to get Bin Laden with a promise not to use nuclear weapons to do so.  (And up until Bush, the USA has eschewed a First Strike nuclear option, so Obama is more consistent with history of US nuclear policies - including the right wing Saint Ronald Reagan -  regarding a nuclear option in Pakistan than the MSM and Republican response would seem to underscore.) He is still seen as more temperate, even in Pakistan, that Foolish W, even when he threatens to violate Pakistani sovereignity to get Bin Laden (a Saudi). 

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      • Author by nerzog (August 07, 2007 10:33 am ET)
           

        This is just further evidence that there is a centralized propaganda effort working on behalf of the GOP in the media. This lie has spread with unnatural speed. Last night, some Troglodyte putz was substituting for that Troglodyte putz, Glenn Beck. He repeated this same "Sit down for tea" bullsh*t verbatim. The Republicans can't govern worth a damn, but they're really good at spreading propaganda...got to give them credit for that.

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    • Author by jonny (August 07, 2007 11:28 am ET)
         

      How about Romney's Cheney-lie?

      http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/08/06/in-debate-romney-repeats-descredited-claim-that-saddam-was-behind-911/ 

       

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