Novak again asserted that Armitage's role in leak case exonerates Rove
SUMMARY: In a column discussing
Karl Rove's resignation, Robert D. Novak asserted that
"[a]lthough [special counsel Patrick] Fitzgerald knew from the start that not
Rove but the politically nondescript Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage
was my primary source in identifying Valerie Plame as a CIA employee, the
prosecutor came close to indicting Rove for perjury or obstruction of justice."
However, Rove confirmed
the information Armitage divulged, as Novak himself has admitted.
In an August 14 column discussing Karl Rove's announcement that he is resigning as White House deputy chief of staff, syndicated columnist Robert D. Novak asserted that "[a]lthough [special counsel Patrick] Fitzgerald knew from the start that not Rove but the politically nondescript Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was my primary source in identifying Valerie Plame as a CIA employee, the prosecutor came close to indicting Rove for perjury or obstruction of justice." But as Media Matters for America has noted, while Armitage was Novak's primary source for Plame's identity, Rove confirmed the information Armitage divulged, as Novak himself has admitted. He did not mention that fact in the August 14 column.
Novak wrote in his column:
Rove had always been a happy warrior, self-confident in building a broad-based Republican majority. But his political joy was diminished by special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald's investigation of him in the CIA leak case. Although Fitzgerald knew from the start that not Rove but the politically nondescript Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was my primary source in identifying Valerie Plame as a CIA employee, the prosecutor came close to indicting Rove for perjury or obstruction of justice. Rove rivaled Bush as a hate figure for left-wing politics.
Joseph Wilson did not know the identity of my source when he talked about "frog-marching" Rove into jail, setting a mindless pattern soon followed by bloggers and politicians alike. A talkative juror, after convicting Scooter Libby for perjury and obstruction of justice, expressed sorrow that it was not Karl Rove.
The desire to get Rove has outlived the Plame case, with Democratic lawmakers trying to make him the target in the firings of U.S. attorneys. Since there will be no impeachment proceedings against the president, Rove has been the best available surrogate.
As Media Matters has noted, in a July 12, 2006, column, Novak disclosed that one of his sources for Plame's identity was Rove. He wrote that Fitzgerald presented him with two waivers of confidentiality before he testified: "One was by my principal source in the Valerie Wilson column, a source whose name has not yet been revealed. The other was by presidential adviser Karl Rove, whom I interpret as confirming my primary source's information. In other words, the special prosecutor knew the names of my sources." He later confirmed that the other source was Armitage in a September 14, 2006, column.
As Media Matters has documented, Fitzgerald has explained why he continued his investigation of the case after learning of the identity of the leakers to Novak and indicted former vice presidential chief of staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby on five counts of perjury, obstruction of justice, and making false statements. In a sentencing memorandum filed May 25, following Libby's conviction on four of the five charges, Fitzgerald responded to "Mr. Libby's friends and associates" who "assert that his prosecution was unwarranted, unjust, and motivated by politics":
[I]t is undisputed but of no moment that it was known early in the investigation that two other persons (Richard Armitage and Karl Rove) in addition to Mr. Libby had disclosed Ms. [Plame] Wilson's identity to reporters, and that Messrs. Armitage and Rove were the sources for columnist Robert Novak's July 14, 2003 column, which first publicly disclosed Ms. Wilson's CIA affiliation. The investigation was never limited to disclosure of Ms. Wilson's CIA affiliation to Mr. Novak; rather, from the outset the investigation sought to determine who disclosed information about Ms. Wilson to various reporters, including -- but not limited to -- Mr. Novak.
[...]
To accept the argument that Mr. Libby's prosecution is the inappropriate product of an investigation that should have been closed at an early stage, one must accept the proposition that the investigation should have been closed after at least three high-ranking government officials were identified as having disclosed to reporters classified information about covert agent Valerie [Plame] Wilson, where the account of one of them was directly contradicted by other witnesses, where there was reason to believe that some of the relevant activity may have been coordinated, and where there was an indication from Mr. Libby himself that his disclosures to the press may have been personally sanctioned by the Vice President. To state this claim is to refute it. Peremptorily closing this investigation in the face of the information available at its early stages would have been a dereliction of duty, and would have afforded Mr. Libby and others preferential treatment not accorded to ordinary persons implicated in criminal investigations.
Moreover, as Media Matters has repeatedly noted, during an October 2005 press conference announcing Libby's indictment, Fitzgerald said that Libby's obstruction had prevented the special counsel's office from determining whether an underlying crime had been committed. Fitzgerald reiterated this point in his sentencing memorandum, writing that "the reasons why Mr. Libby was not charged with an offense directly relating to his unauthorized disclosures of classified information regarding Ms. Wilson included, but were not limited to, the fact that Mr. Libby's false testimony obscured a confident determination of what in fact occurred."
This is not the first time Novak -- and other media figures -- have suggested that Rove was not involved in the leaking of Plame's identity. As Media Matters noted, on the July 18 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, during a discussion of the CIA leak case with Novak, host Joe Scarborough falsely suggested that Rove was not involved in the leak. On the July 19 edition of the show, on which Novak again appeared, Scarborough claimed that Media Matters was "very upset because of my interview yesterday with Bob Novak, talking about the narrative that the left wing had for a very long time that this whole Valerie Plame leak was a diabolical plot hatched by Karl Rove." Introducing Novak, Scarborough said he was "[h]ere to clear that up and talk about his book, Prince of Darkness" [Crown Forum, July 2007]. In response to questioning from Scarborough, Novak acknowledged that Rove was his confirming source. Nonetheless, the two continued to push the false claim that Fitzgerald "knew that no crime, no underlying crime had been committed," in Scarborough's words, and yet persisted with the investigation that resulted in Libby's conviction.















Yep, this is a zombie meme. There will be no way to drive a stake through its heart. No matter how ludicrous it is on the face of it, they are never going to stop repeating it.
I remember when the name Armitage first came out in the news, that I was wondering in a post at this site if the media had finally misunderestimated their target audience.
Would that fool the suckers? Something as simple as telling them that Armitage leaked Plames name, therefore, nobody else could have leaked it at any other time, to any other source?
And they came here in droves to demonstrate that they had bought the whole bag..
Its unreal. The only thing I can figure is some people do not spend on second scrutinizing such idiocy when they hear it in order to determine if it makes any sense. They just hear it, commit it to memory, then do their propaganda parrot duty regurgitating it on command when they hear Pavlovs bell
The same can be said about the other side. How can anyone be so scatterbrained as to believe that once a "spy" is known that another person can divulge that same "secret".
You people just need something to hold onto at night to keep your world in order. If you decide to hold onto this kind of thing, that's your perogative. Just remember, people who think for themselves realize what is truth and what is being parroted by their party. Obviously, your side can't handle the truth. Wanna cracker?
Thanks for the support, Auto. Just in case anybody thought I was kidding about Novak's BS fooling anyone.
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You people just need something to hold onto at night to keep your world in order. If you decide to hold onto this kind of thing, that's your perogative. Just remember, people who think for themselves realize what is truth and what is being parroted by their party. Obviously, your side can't handle the truth. Wanna cracker? /// AUTOPSYCHO
I wonder why the mere fact that a Republican can tell a lie repeatedly, and without any reserve, that this should be a measure of the truth, and the plain facts should not matter??
1. Valerie Plame was a "Non-Official Covert Operative" supervising the Anti-Nuclear Proliferation Unit. A "NOC" has no diplomatic credentials, and may not identify themselves as a American agent if compromised. The most dangerous status for a CIA Operative is a NOC and Mrs Wilson was in the most sensitive operations of our day!
2. Her identity was "Top Secret" as acknowledged by the CIA when they requested the investigation, and repeatedly by the Republican procecutor Patrick Fitzgerald!
3. Armitage, Libby, and Rove shopped her identity obtained through the Vice President's clearance and then shared with these subordinates and political operatives to smear the motives of her husband when criticizing the rational for the Iraqi Invasion!
4. Whether Rove or Libby were the first or forty-first member of the Whites House Staff to shop her name with the press does not have any effect on the guilt of making such a disclosure!
5. Any person whom would justify the untold damages of outing Valerie Plame and Brewster Jennings, Inc. operational cover to be anything but a treasonous act obviously considers themselves a Republican before an American, thus is no American!
Mr. Novak has found his place in history as a Partisan Neo-Con who could care less about his country, and would devulge sensitive material to promote a political agenda to the detriment of American National Security. Thus his no less than a Traitor!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
4. Whether Rove or Libby were the first or forty-first member of the Whites House Staff to shop her name with the press does not have any effect on the guilt of making such a disclosure!
Bingo! And you democrats will hold onto that as long as you can. Your democratic mind just made dan grady as guilty as rove, because you just revealed her identity as a spy, too. Should YOU go to jail? Time to get a life and let it go. If you don't then ask yourself; why isn't Sandy Berger in jail for his theft and lies related to him stealing classified documents and then lying about their whereabouts??? http://www.talkingproud.us/Betrayal.html
Face it, politicians lie, that's their job. Democratic ones do it just as good as republican ones (if not better).
Vote democratic? I'd rather be in China! No, wait, voting democratic would make the US just like China.
WOW. Why are you so very proud of your vast ignorance? Are you really this dumb? Let me guess you are actually a leftwing plant, making fun of the stupidity of rightwingers right? After it was PUBLISHED in the New York Times it wasnt a secret anymore but UNTIL that time it was. No matter how many other journalists they shopped the information to until one of the published it she was still covert. This is so simple any bright TWO YEAR OLD could understand it but it seems to be far beyond your incredibly limited comprehension.
By your super-intelligent reasoning, I can tell hundreds-of-thousands of people she is a spy and not get in trouble, but when it is published then I would get in trouble?
Stop your whining and admit it. You have something up your ars about this case. And it's only because you're a mindless liberal. Parroting what others tell you to say, thinking what others tell you to think. Wanna cracker?? I even notice you re-use the same old insults. Can't you think of something more original? Maybe think of one a little different than all the others you use (so frequently).
They are so descriptive I mean you really are incredibly ignorant. Just unbelieveably stupid. I dont know how much simpler it could possibly be. While it was secret that is BEFORE it was published it was a crime to expose her identity, there are other factors but since you are too dumb to even get the simplist part of this I will skip over them. It would be a crime the first time it was done and the next time and the next dozen times until it was published and no longer a secret. Amazing that you parrot OUR argument then try to call us parrots. I mean you really are the dumbest poster I have ever seen. I am suprised you manage to feed yourself. Your ignorance is astonishing. You do know you are an embarassment to our entire species dont you?
"By your super-intelligent reasoning, I can tell hundreds-of-thousands of people she is a spy and not get in trouble, but when it is published then I would get in trouble?"
By YOUR reasoning, even if her husband knows she's covert, she's no longer covert. Your logic fails to PWN, dude. Try another excuse.
Apparantly on Planet Wingnut if one person finds something out in Wingnut America by some fascinating telepathic phenomenon it becomes common knowlege. Or perhaps Autopsychotic just doesnt understand things very well.
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Bingo! And you democrats will hold onto that as long as you can. Your democratic mind just made dan grady as guilty as rove, because you just revealed her identity as a spy, too. Should YOU go to jail? Time to get a life and let it go. If you don't then ask yourself; why isn't Sandy Berger in jail for his theft and lies related to him stealing classified documents and then lying about their whereabouts??? // AUTOPSYCHO
This arguement only works in a confined, controlled enviroment, and when your side has an overwhelming advantage in numbers to scream down any dissenting opinion!
We have been operating government on the premise that those whom don't believe in government, should be in charge of government, and that such an attitude toward leadership of a democracy would not become distorted! Power corrupts, ultimate power corrupts ultimately!
When you promote these lies, and distortions as a justification for your own beliefs, then whether you are a Liberterian, Randist, or Goldwater Conservative you become embarrassing to make this kind of argument in writing and reveal yourself for what you really are!!
This is the point of MMFA! You need to decide if your an American, willing to stand in defense of your constitution, civil liberties, and nation, or a Republican fanatic willing to lie to yourself and anyone in writing for all to see!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I cannot BELIEVE how dumb you are. Once it was PUBLISHED then you would be right. Except there were SIX DIFFERENT REPORTERS who were given this information BEFORE IT WAS PUBLISHED. That is while it was still secret. Someone would have to be as stupid as, well as you are, not to see that there could easily be more than one exposure. I urge you to find a reasonably bright five year old to explain posts to you before you charge in and embarass yourself in this fashion. You make a fool out of yourself every other post. Now I find it amusing and it surely is easy to mop the floor with you, but if you EVER want to be more than batting practice here you really need to work on that higher brain function thing. As of yet you STILL seem unable to accomplish it.
I always thought that Rove was the confirming source on the information according to Novak. I even thought Novak said he used Rove as a confirming source. this seems to mean that:
1) he felt he needed a confirming source to print the Armitage material AND
2) that he had not yet published the information at the moment Rove confirmed.
Can you tell me specifically what is incorrect in that reasoning?
then can you actually explain why Rove did not have the common sense to ask the CIA before he confirmed intelligence information to a reporter? Can you not just change the subject but actually address these issues?
That's why Rush Limbaugh is so popular amongst the non-thinkers. Rush tells them what to think about non-important stuff like politics, so that they can reserve their cognitive efforts for figuring out how to fit T-Rex on Noah's Ark.
Hey, this post was just a few weeks shy of a year ago. And Novak's BS is still working on the 30%ers.
and this was the next day. Hey, Leatherhelmet, are you still around?
He did his usual drive by shot yesterday but then he faded back into the darkness.
You're missing out on some good chin and shoulder opportunities over in the "Romney Looks Perfect" thread.
King, I was pretty busy at work, and had to do my photo-shop mess at home tonight. Don't even think I missed out on that thread!
Equally baffling is the transformation of Armitage into a war critic and how readily this has become common wisdom. I noted how often that was repeated on Main stream news shows without any challenge. Armitage was a signer of the 1998 PNAC letter to Clinton urging the invasion of Iraq back then. He was one of the few people in America to sign that letter. Why did no one in the media bring this up when Armitage was so described? this is like saying signator of the Declaration of Independence was against declaring independence. If any one believes Armitage was a war critic then can you explain how his signature got on that document?
Zombie is the right word for these guys. The great Reagan legacy still lives: if you look good and/or you are happy you cannot possibly not be up to no good. To listen to Novak and Scarborogh you would never know that Karl Rove called Valerie Plame "fair game." Or that the evidence is fairly strong that Libby lied and did not just have a faulty memory, as true believers maintain to this day. Or that the jurors were allowed to learn only a very limited amount of information about Karl Rove.
The swill that Novak, the cowardly traitor, promulgates merely assuages topically and further obfuscates the Truth. And another traitor slinks slimingly, out of the White Houseā¦the egregiously neo-Machiavellian propagandist, Rove. There is no vindication for that person or for America, till one relinquishes hiding & speaks the Truth.
We hear a lot of talk about national security. When Novak outed Valerie Wilson, didn't he put national security at risk? If so, why isn't Novak in a federal prison somewhere instead of still writing this garbage in his column?
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We hear a lot of talk about national security. When Novak outed Valerie Wilson, didn't he put national security at risk? If so, why isn't Novak in a federal prison somewhere instead of still writing this garbage in his column? // MORONIC REPUBLICAN
I wonder how Scooter skated on prison? I wonder why our special proscecutor wasn't allowed to use the sentence to pursuade Scooter to tell the truth, which by the way we still have not heard from him dispite a felony conviction!!
Why isn't Novak in prison? Though in the technical sense as a part of a "free press" he has a complicated path to any conviction, thus would never be pursued. That don't make him any less a Traitor!
When leaks came out about the Domestic Spying of this administration, they were hot about the idea of incarcerating reporters!! The Republicans have forgoten, or don't care that we're a democracy, they are only concerned with their power!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
"Listen to them, the children of the night. What music they make!"
- Robert Novak
"Dam your eyes!"
-Frederick Frankenstien (pronounced fronkenstien)
Why Novak is not in jail for treason, I will never know.
Novak can't write a single column without lying. At least with him, his partisanship is so blatant most readers can spot it.
I am so po'd at Novak for choosing to print a covert national asset's name when he could have chosen not to. Novak, if you read this, you are scum and i don't care what the people that give you a microphone think. Before you die, please redeem yourself by working with poor americans and learn from Jimmy Carter.
Hey, Novak, I don't know if you're actually that thoroughly intellectually dishonest, willfully ignorant, stupid or some combination of the above. Armitage was your source (or one of them, to be more accurate). So what? Libby was Judith Miller's source, and he told her that Valerie Flame (yikes) was a CIA agent a full two weeks before you had your conversation with Armitage. Libby also relayed the same information to other reporters. You just happened to take the bait faster than the others. It's not all about you! Call us when you get back from your ego trip.
Novak even said recently that he usually will not print a story unless he has a second confirming source. I wish someone when he spouts this stuff would ask him: if Armitage alone was a sufficient source why did you seek confirmation before you actually printed.