Boortz said Muslims are "sort of like cockroaches," continued to attack "Media Myrmidons"
SUMMARY: On his radio show, Neal Boortz claimed that because "Muslims don't eat during the day during Ramadan" and "fast during the day and eat at night," they are "sort of like cockroaches." Immediately following the remark, Boortz said, "I did that for Media Myrmidons" -- his term for Media Matters for America.
On the August 14 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, while discussing the alleged "Islamization of Western Europe," Neal Boortz claimed that because "Muslims don't eat during the day during Ramadan" and "fast during the day and eat at night," they are "sort of like cockroaches." Boortz was discussing reports that a group of government-run hospitals in Scotland had instructed employees to eat away from their desks during Ramadan so as not to offend their fasting Muslim colleagues. Immediately following the remark, Boortz said, "I did that for Media Myrmidons" -- his term for Media Matters for America -- and added, " 'Neal Boortz refers to Muslims as cockroaches.' Yeah, that'll be on Media Myrmidons."
Boortz went on to attack Media Matters President and CEO David Brock and said, "Those of you that are going to send that transcript to Media Myrmidons, don't forget to ask, you know, don't forget to ask David up there how's his girlfriend Hillary and George? How they're doing, you know? Hillary and George?" Boortz was apparently referring to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) and financier George Soros.
Media Matters has documented Boortz's past attacks on "Media Myrmidons," as well as his previous references to Brock as "the illegitimate bastard child of Hillary Clinton and George Soros."
The Georgia Association of Broadcasters awarded Boortz and his radio show the honors of "Best Radio On-Air Personality" and "Best Radio Program, Any Type" in 2007. Boortz is a nominee for the Georgia Radio Hall of Fame 2007 Career Achievement Award. Boortz's flagship station is WSB in Atlanta.
From the August 14 broadcast of Cox Radio Syndication's The Neal Boortz Show:
BOORTZ: The Neal Boortz radio show. Before we get onto the phone calls, one more "inch by inch" story, the Islamization of Western Europe. And it's happening here, too, in this country. Footbaths for Muslims. Government schools with separate prayer rooms for Muslims.
It's just -- OK, we're going to go the National Health Service in Great Britain. Now, remember, it was just a couple of weeks ago that we had doctors working, Muslim doctors working for the National Health Service in Great Britain who were plotting to blow up a bunch of Londoners. One of them slammed a car into the Glasgow airport. They got caught, folks. Car bombs, car bombs. They got caught. The car bombs didn't go off. I guess Muslim doctors aren't all that good at rigging explosives. Working for the National Health Service.
You would think maybe that the National Health Service in Great Britain would be looking really, really closely at its Muslim doctors and Muslim employees, but that would be racial profiling, and we can't have that, can we? Instead, the National Health Service and at least one London hospital, Lothians -- Lothians, whatever. In this one hospital, they have advised doctors and other health care workers that next month they are not to have working lunches. Now, what do they mean by a working lunch? That's where you bring your lunch from home or you bring in takeout and you have lunch at your desk. So, next month, National Health Service -- at least at this one hospital -- you are not permitted to have lunch at your desk. Why not? Because it's Ramadan, and Muslims in your workplace might be offended if they see you eating at your desk. Why? I guess it's because Muslims don't eat during the day during Ramadan. They fast during the day and eat at night. Sort of like cockroaches.
I did that for Media Myrmidons, OK? I -- they're sort of like cockroaches. "Neal Boortz refers to Muslims as cockroaches." Yeah, that'll be on Media Myrmidons. Those of you that are going to send that transcript to Media Myrmidons, don't forget to ask, you know, don't forget to ask David up there how's his girlfriend Hillary and George? How they're doing, you know? Hillary and George?
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
Why? I guess it's because Muslims don't eat during the day during Ramadan. They fast during the day and eat at night. Sort of like cockroaches. // NEIL BOORTZ
Why would a man that would say this sort hate-speak on the national airways, a public domain of American citizens that is awarded with the condition of serving the public interest, be allowed to continue on the airways??
Could it be that he has the regular audience of the President of the United States of America?? What does this say to the world about Americans when we have our President courting this kind of pundit??
SAVE DEMOCRACY, BE A GOOD REPUBLICAN AND VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I really had no idea what a "Myrmidon" was, so I looked it up. Here's a reasonable definition:
The Myrmidons of Greek myth were known for their loyalty to their leaders, so that in pre-industrial Europe the word "myrmidon" carried many of the same connotations that "robot" does today. "Myrmidon" later came to mean "hired ruffian", according to the Oxford English Dictionary.
Anyway, I have no doubt that Boortz says these things just to get published on here. But that doesn't make it right, or clever, or smart, or funny.
"Media Myrmidons" I find mildly amusing, the cockroach comment was uncalled for and wrong.
The word "cockroaches" in such a context of pandering to petty bigotry brings a few things to my mind. Hotel Rwanda and Hitler's extensive analogies in Mein Kampf about exterminating "vermin" (which includes cockroaches, rats, etc.) like (as Hitler believed) Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, etc.
Of course, I don't mind winning the Godwin's Law Award on this post for noting Boortz is in excellent company with his remarks.
>>"Anyway, I have no doubt that Boortz says these things just to get published on here"<<
Sure. That HAS to be the ONLY reason.
Boortz has no other way of getting any exposure. It's not like he has a big radio show heard by millions or anything. So he craves the little thrill of having his name on a website. A website he loathes. Then I'm sure he just loves getting the emails afterwards, and the questions from higher-ups, etc.
Yeah, it all makes sense. Thanks.
What an asinine comment, at least a terribly uninformed one. Do you not know that Boortz is snyndicated coast to coast? He has millions of listeners without these idiots assisting him in any way.
ronbeatty: I will assume you meant to respond to "bruce", seeing as how my comment was presented --obviously, I thought-- with the utmost in sarcasm.
Usually I don't mind Boortz. He is actually fairly intelligent at times and interesting to listen to. This just seems like a pathetic attempt to stir up trouble (more like ratings) as he is known to do from time to time. There are many morons here in Atlanta that like that kind of talk as it panders to their bigotry.
I think Boortz has divorced his conscience from his work long ago. It seems to be a necessary act for prostitutes and talk show hosts in order to keep doing their jobs.
Or, could it be that Boortz isn't "pandering" at all and is actually a racist? It's not like this is the first time Boortz has said something like this.
Neal Boortz is lower than whale poop. Ald whale poop sinks to the bottom of the ocean...
I'm sure comments like this will really help our PR in the Muslim world.
Maybe this Chickenhawk is just angling for another White house invite.
Yorn desh born, der ritt de gitt der gue / Orn desh, dee born desh, de umn børk! børk! børk!
Yuoo vuoold theenk meybe-a thet zee Neshunel Heelt Serfeece-a in Greet Breetein vuoold be-a luukeeng reelly, reelly clusely et its Moosleem ducturs und Moosleem impluyees, boot thet vuoold be-a receeel pruffeeling, und ve-a cun't hefe-a thet, cun ve-a? Insteed, zee Neshunel Heelt Serfeece-a und et leest oone-a Lundun huspeetel, Lutheeuns -- Lutheeuns, vhetefer. In thees oone-a huspeetel, zeey hefe-a edfeesed ducturs und oozeer heelt cere-a vurkers thet next munt zeey ere-a nut tu hefe-a vurkeeng loonches. Noo, vhet du zeey meun by a vurkeeng loonch? Thet's vhere-a yuoo breeng yuoor loonch frum hume-a oor yuoo breeng in tekeuoot und yuoo hefe-a loonch et yuoor desk. Su, next munt, Neshunel Heelt Serfeece-a -- et leest et thees oone-a huspeetel -- yuoo ere-a nut permeetted tu hefe-a loonch et yuoor desk. Vhy nut? Becoose-a it's Remedun, und Moosleems in yuoor vurkplece-a meeght be-a ooffffended iff zeey see-a yuoo ieteeng et yuoor desk. Vhy? I gooess it's becoose-a Moosleems dun't iet dooreeng zee dey dooreeng Remedun. Zeey fest dooreeng zee dey und iet et neeght. Surt ooff leeke-a cuckrueches.
I deed thet fur Medeea Myrmeeduns, OoK? I -- zeey're-a surt ooff leeke-a cuckrueches. "Neel Buurtz reffers tu Moosleems es cuckrueches." Yeeh, thet'll be-a oon Medeea Myrmeeduns. Thuse-a ooff yuoo thet ere-a gueeng tu send thet trunscreept tu Medeea Myrmeeduns, dun't furget tu esk, yuoo knoo, dun't furget tu esk Defeed up zeere-a hoo's hees gurlffreeend Heellery und Geurge-a? Hoo zeey're-a dueeng, yuoo knoo? Heellery und Geurge-a?
Good lord, how long did it take you to do that? ;)
I was wondering that too.
Not long at all, I used the "swedish chef" translator!
Thet is a fery hundy tuul!
Well, apparently took you less time to "write" it than it took me to read it. Gud thing I'm hukked on fonics!!!
You shouldn't have let on about your secret weapon, Snoopy. I'm much less impressed now...
My GOD I love the internet!!
Tommy and all,
In case it wasn't obvious, I just called Boortz a muppet! Ya know, an animated figure controlled by someone else. ;)
Thanks, I must admit I couldn't get through it. My mouth was trying to keep up but stalled due to exhaustion....but it is cool.
:)
Much better when read in a German accent. Makes me want to "Sieg Heil!" despite any misgivings my cerebral cortex may be trying to tell me about.
Neal Boortz has free speech rights to say whatever he feels on his radio program as long as he doesn't call for violence or harm against fellow CITIZENS of the US. The free market, advertisers, and the listeners choose weather or not Boortz should stay on the air. You liberals try to silence free speech that you don't agree with by calling it hate speech, and some even try to use the power of the Government to silence speech they disagree with. The San Fransisco communist Stalinist government officials just tried to pass a law condemning Michael Savage for his comments about illegal aliens. True good liberals would never do this sort of thing.
Who has tried to silence the chickenhawk Boortz Camerakid? He is full of diagnosis but never cures. Kinda like all YOU RIGHT WING IDIOTS.
Who is trying to silence Boortz? Yeah, nobody. Are we trying to hold him accountable for what he says and what tumbles out of his mouth? Yes. I don't see any government regulations over what he can or can't say at all. Now, what is said over the PUBLIC airwaves can, and is already regulated. Can't say certain cuss words for instance, or on TV, can't show nudity.
I know what you're trying to get at. You're trying to bring up some people's insistence that the Fairness Doctrine be brought back into being, and like a good little minion, you're repeating the often repeated lies that it's going to stifle free speech. But for the record, look at who is bring up the Fairness Doctrine at a federal level, and it's not the liberals, or the democrats, as a matter of FACT, nobody has brought or proposed any legislation in dealing with that boogeyman that your man Boortz always talks about.
The Freedom and the RIGHT to free speech is not the same as having a talk radio show. Far from it. We saw this with Imus. While he was allowed to say what he wanted (for the most part), he was fired because the free market removed their sponsorship dollars from his show. See? It does work sometimes.
To sum up, once again, because I know sometimes you guys are a little slow. Nobody is saying that Boortz can't say what he says, but we have every right to call him out on his insane ramblings and attacks against people. He is using my airwaves by the way, and yours, and everyone else's.
Booooore has no free speech rights to a radio program on OUR airwaves and we have EVERY right to condemn what is said if we want to as THAT is also part of free speech. You obviously dont know what the term means. Booooore spews this kind of racist garbage all the time. The Weinerdog Savage is insane and there is NO attack on his free speech rights to condemn what he says. When they call for arresting him for what he says get back to us.
If we call something hate speech, and it is hate speech, then we're not trying to prevent free speech. We're trying to point out hate speech. There's a big difference between pointing out offensive speech and trying to limit it. I don't understand why people on the right don't understand stark differences like that, but they don't.
There was no law that San Fran was trying to pass to silence Savage. What did happen was a resolution was submitted to censure him. Telling someone they've done something reprehensible after they've done something wrong is not the same as preventing them from ever doing it again. It's making them accountable for what they did. It seems like you object to holding Savage accountable for what he says. Why?
This may be a little off-topic, but is there an "official" stance on Islam in general, the Muslim population and their geographic movements and social integration, and the problem of islamic radicalism?
I would appreciate an answer (if there is one) that definitively covers all 3 of those issues, even if the answer is more general than absolutely specific.
This doesn't cover all your questions, but it's a good start.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/
I meant, an "official" stand from a Progressive point of view.
I imagine there are as many "official" progressive stances as there are progressives. I would imagine that if conservatives think for themselves, the same would be true for them.
The same can be said about Progressives.
No. Not really. There really does not appear to be much variety of opinion on the right at least on this issue as there is on the left. Of course, I could be wrong. That is what the "if" was for.
That's a very strange question. "Official'? there are lots of positions, like 'another case of people driven to brutality by believing in the God-delusion' to 'a vast community sharing common beliefs but ranging in attitude from the thuggishly violent to the urbanely secular--from Arab to African to Asian to European." Islam contains Sufism, one of the most beautiful, witty, and insightful mystical schools the world has produced. Islam contains the Taj Mahal and the Alhambra, and the magnificent poetry of Rumi. It also contains warlords and fanatics who will dance around the strictures of the Koran against violence and Mohammed's command for Muslims, Christians and Jews to peacefully coexist the same way that people ignore Jesus Christ's command to turn the otther cheek and and slaughter women and children. Here's a position: when people commit atrocities, they should be pursued, caught, put on trial, and, found guilty, punished. The Republicans seem to think that when people commit atrocities, they should be allowed to stay free--but their religion should be insulted.
The term Media Myrmidons is funny.
The cockroach thing was uncalled for.
Boortz likes gaining some notoriety via MMFA.
"Media Myrmidons" is nothing new. He has been using that for a long time. If you google it, you can see where MMFA has mentioned it in previous articles.
Boortz is not the first media figure to use the word "myrmidons" to refer to Media Matters. In a December 14, 2005, weblog entry on FrontPageMag.com, right-wing pundit David Horowitz made reference to the "myrmidons at Media Matters."
http://mediamatters.org/items/200704270009
Boortz isn't even being original with that one. I was somewhat impressed a while back when I first saw it, but it has worn off since then with the repetition.
Pointing to a fat person and saying "You're fat" is uncalled for.
Calling a human being a cockroach is disgusting, wrong, and hateful.
Ok ok Marv I hear ya!
How about this:
It was uncalled for because it's disgusting, wrong, and hateful. It's also deplorable, reprehensible, and cruel.
Which is basically what I meant, but failed to spell out emphatically.
Ever watch Hogan's Heroes?
They sometimes called LeBeau cockroach. This has diddley to do with this topic, but it just came to mind. That was one of my favorite sitcoms.
Well, "uncalled for" was used elsewhere, too.
To me, "uncalled for" means to call out a truth for no justifiable reason. In this case, though, there's no justifiable reason. It's all the things you said and more, but not "uncalled for."
If anything, this site hinges on the idea that words matter. So I thought it was a worthwhile distinction to make.
More I think about it, I guess one could also say "it was unnecessary to take the conversation to that ugly level."
Don't mind me. I'm just over here in the corner obsessing. =)
No problem Marv :-)
I usually post from work [I'm home now]
When I wrote my first post here I was at work & had about 2 seconds to spare at the time, so my post was quick & sparse.
I suppose we both could type pages about what an ignorant twit Boortz can be if we had the time.
Well Hardball is on. So I gotta get a cup of coffee, & go sit in my recliner :-)
Edwards is the guest tonight-for anyone interested.
Snoopy I'm gonna take a letter down to hindquarters for cycle anaylisis.
Oh yah, Neil, you stink. A diet change will not help.
Herr Boortz,
The dry cleaner just called to let you know that your uniforms are ready.
Also, they said they hadn't paid attention when you dropped them off, so they need you to call them and let them know on which sleeve the armbands should be placed.
Is there a "Terminix" or "Orkin" logo included somewhere on those as well?
What are you doing answering the phones at headquarters? You have left your recruting post at the Daily Kos....get back to work!
Arent YOU due back at the Marching Morons society?
" Because it's Ramadan, and Muslims in your workplace might be offended if they see you eating at your desk."
I eat at my desk every day. I would not change that for anyone.
Different people can disagree on how important it is to respect your co-worker's dietary restrictions, and how much disrespect it would show to eat at your desk when they are in a time of fasting, but no one should try to excuse Boortz' actions. He likened Muslims to cockroaches.
Your willingness to cooperate with management's directions on what to do is not the topic. If Boortz had only discussed whether or not it was a good idea to accomodate their desire to not have food around them, there would have been no issue. There is an issue with the analogy he drew with cockroaches.
I could really careless if he said I ate like a cockroach. I have the stomach for it.
He didn't say that one person was a cockroach though.
He likened a whole class of people to cockroaches.
That's what you should have a problem with.
It's not a personal insult issue. It's also not an issue of whether or not to eat near these people. It's an issue because he compared cockroaches to these people.
Why are you avoiding that point?
Good for you. Way to take a stand. Lol.
Asking people not to eat at their desks does seem a bit much to me - but Boortz originally said that what management asked people not to have were "working lunches." Where I come from, that means having a meeting while eating lunch, not eating lunch at your desk. So, I suspect Boortz is overstating the case here.
I guess no one here follows world news? Does anyone here understand the problems Europe has been facing with its large Muslim Immigrant community? If you understood, you may as well understand it is a matter of time before we have a problem here in America. Maybe 50 years from now, but it will become a problem if America does not curbtail appeasing this very very difficult to understand religion.
But I thought we were fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them over here?
Or, if we don't "win" the "war on terror", they will follow us home.
I mentioned nothing about terrorism. THAT WAS NOT THE POINT. Typical.
Then what are the problems Europe is having with the invasion of the brown arab hordes? Please enlighten me.
You know nothing of it? Then why are you even here..? Enlighten yourself.
BTW, those "Brown Arab Hordes" you speak of I have in my blood. Nice try you race baiter.
Seriously, it appeared in your post that Europe has a problem with Arabs. I didn't mean to demean your ancestry, but I truly do not know what "problems" they have and we will have.
Help me.
And it sounds like you identify with your "Arab" heritage oh so well. Please. You're probably no more Arab than I am a black woman (I'm a white male by the way).
I was born a poor black man, but strangely enough, I have no rythm...
Pearl, no disrespect intended!
Snoopy, PERFECT!!!!
You are sooooo special and I meant that in a very good way ;-)
OMG! We may actually have to live with them! God help us, it's so hard being a right wing christian in this world!
I am not a right wing christian. I do not pratice any religion. Being you response was to belittle me, I can only take it as you know NOTHING about the Muslim conflicts in Europe. As well, you have no vision of the future.
Naw, I'm familiar with the conflicts in europe. You should read some of the comments below, it's pretty clear you have no idea why the conflicts are happening in the 1st place, and that because the way our society here is structured it will be less likely to happen like you fear in the 2nd place.
I agree to disagree. It has nothing to do with fear. Hell, I will be long dead by then. To think America is not heading in the direction Europe is in, is plain foolish.
Well, here's the thing. There is no guarantee that the United States or Europe will remain predominantly White and Christian forever. One thing history has taught us is that all great civilizations come and go. Why should ours be any different?
If the Muslims are outbreeding us and spreading over the globe, how do we stop it? Do we want to stop it? Should we stop it?
Even more to the point; how do we stop them from gradually taking over the United States without becoming a fascist state? Do we close our border and declare Christianity the official religion?
Food for thought.
Nerzog,
I agree with everything you said. Although, I think it is important to retain our democratic ideals and not allow our culture of government to be changed to something unrecognizeable.
Although undoubtedly, the complexion of America will change over time, it is important that people coming here learn to embrace our ideals. My only concern is that as the culture changes, some important democratic ideas like equal rights for everyone and the rights of the minority being protected are not done away with when/if there is ever a muslim (or whomever) majority. I think that is a valid concern.
Very well put Open.
Well, here's the thing. There is no guarantee that the United States or Europe will remain predominantly White and Christian forever. One thing history has taught us is that all great civilizations come and go. Why should ours be any different?
I love this country. I do not want to see it be overrun by anyone or anything not American.
If the Muslims are outbreeding us and spreading over the globe, how do we stop it? Do we want to stop it? Should we stop it?
We can not stop Islam globaly, but we can here in America.
Even more to the point; how do we stop them from gradually taking over the United States without becoming a fascist state? Do we close our border and declare Christianity the official religion?
Last thing I want to do is become a facist state. No, I do not feel Christianity should be the sole religion. I DO NOT PRACTICE!
One for you. What happens if great demands are made by the Muslim community for thier children to have seperate facilities in schools. IE. A seperate pool for their daughter to swim in because no boy should see her in her swim suit.
What would you do if you found a Imam was preaching to Kill non believers in your local mosque?
Explain to me, and others, if you will how being a Muslim is NOT American? You know, seeing that we have freedom of religion and congregation in this country. If you're saying being a Muslim is not being American, then you are advocating for a facist state that is not for freedom at all, just to put into place limiting things that YOU see as being non-American (whatever that means).
Separate facilities for kids in public schools. Not going to happen. Why? Separation of church and state. You remember the Constitution don't you? If they want separate facilities, then just like Christians who want to pray and teach religion in schools, they can start their own religious based schools just like we already have for many religions in the US already.
Public pools, again, silly example. It's a choice to go to those places, and if they want something special, something tells me that they aren't going to get it.
You keep putting out strawmen as arguments, and you keep getting shot down.
Magnolia,
I can understand putting in a basin to wash feet for legal/liability concerns and perhaps out of concern for non-muslims washing their hands in the same sink where muslims have been washing their feet.
If a school knows that it is unsafe for people to wash their feet in a high sink and they refuse to provide a more safe environment, they would likely be liable for any accidents that happen, so I would think it is a reasonable accomodation.
Secondly, Evil complained before about sharing a sink with Muslims who were washing their feet in the sink. It is only fair to accomodate non-Muslims by putting in a low basin for feet washing.
I don't think Evil has any real legitimate complaints, but putting in low basins will probably happen and I do not see a separation of church and state argument being a part of that issue at all.
I see your points on those issues, but I think you know what I was getting on about. As for that "other" guy, apparently he firmly believes that being Muslim and an American are mutually exclusive and can't be together as one. Which is of course, really really stupid.
Muslim convert here.
With the pool thing, they have special types of swimsuits for Muslim women.
As-Salamu Alaykum. Glad to have you here. Hope you stay to share your point of view on the threads.
"IE. A seperate pool for their daughter to swim in because no boy should see her in her swim suit."
I think someone addresses this further down, mentioning the special Muslim swimsuits.
As for the Imam preaching hate, that's a tough one. I think we have laws addressing incitement to violence...otherwise, we must honor our First Amendment as much as possible, in my opinion.
I'm not talking about a violent overthrow by terrorists...we can defend ourselves against that. What I'm saying is that Muslims could very well become the majority in this country over time. If that happens, what can we do? How can we stop that without abandoning the principles we claim to be fighting for?
Whether we should or should not stop it is up for debate. There's always a risk that a Muslim majority could wipe away our religious freedom through legislation. But then, Fundamentalist Christians pose the same threat, do they not?
Why don't you enlighten us then, as to the Muslim hoardes that are descending on American to take over the country.
Look, when I start seeing 30+ mosques on my way to work (the rough number of Christian churches I see on the 15 mile drive I make to work everyday), the I might get "worried" that they're "taking over".
Muslims in America, as recent studies have shown, are more ingrained within our society as a whole. As others have said, western Europe is a little less diverse, and less free than America, and they are more about keeping their countries "pure" I think, whereas they have less tolerance of immigrants. America, by definition and by its own make up is a country made up almost entirely of immigrants. We have a free and open society, for the most part, and freedom to worship whatever religion we want (Flying Spaghetti Monster, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, etc. etc.). Muslims who have come to America and immigrated into the US of A, have come to embrace America and will continue to do so. It's, as other people said, if you start taking things away from them, they will revolt. This luckily isn't going to happen anytime soon, because there are smarter people living in the US, and I'm just glad that you aren't running, well, anything.
Look, when I start seeing 30+ mosques on my way to work (the rough number of Christian churches I see on the 15 mile drive I make to work everyday), the I might get "worried" that they're "taking over".
By then, it will be too late. All I ever here on this forum, is, "They did this, so why stop" that.. Pathetic.
And I feel the same about you friend. I am glad you are runing NOTHING.
I think you're onto something, nomofo. What's with all the mosques? Why can't the muslims just invade countries like we do, with planes and bombs and missiles?
Have they no morals?
GO ahead and make it all Americas fault. Very typical response.
He was blaming Bush and those who support him.
Oh, don't be so hard on yourself. For someone to dig out the old "It's always the Homeland's fault" retort to my comment is hardly a typical response. I think you're very unique for dragging it out of mothballs.
No, I was being serious. It's not the Homeland's fault that we try to be humane and kill people instantly with bombs and rockets and such. That's the way civilized nations invade. Sure, there's the occasional collateral non-death, leaving limbs separated from bodies and minds separated from reality.
But this creeping, nearly unrecognizable invasion by culture, where ultimately, we Homelandians are assimilated from within - that's just plain barbaric.
Rotor:
More mosques in America is good.
The more Muslims who come to America, who find it a rich land full of friendly people, where they are allowed to worship as they see fit, and accepted into the community--the more children who grow up playing with Christians, Jews and atheists--the more they live in a country where people of their faith can be elected to Congress--then that's that many more Muslims who learn to love the United States and the tolerant, secular, free tradition it embodies.
They will eithwe stay here, and strengthen our nation--or they will return to the Islamic world, shedding more light about our Masonic traditions.
Of course, they can lso go back telling them about Neal Boortz and his cockroaches.
Rotor, in the long run, Islam will fall undre the secular, prosperous, multicultural, rock'n'roll Hollywood juggernaut. If a fanatic's children live in peace and prosperity, they will beat their swords into iPods.
It's the way to win.
I think you raise a valid point. I think cultural/political unrest and economic squalor have as much to do with creating terrorism as religion. Religion is often used as a justification, but it's hard to recruit terrorists among a fat and happy populace.
Isn't the unemployment rate in Iraq pretty high? Could that help explain why it is so easy to recruit suicide bombers there?
Nerzog,
I have read up on that issue. It seems economic inequity is not a very good indicator of who is attracted to radical Islam. As I wrote in a previous post, alienation seems to be the largest reliable common denominator. Getting immigrants and their families integrated into the community, while respecting their uniqueness appears to be the biggest factor that can combat the growth of radical Islam in the US.
Of course, attitudes of intolerance and bigotry like Boortz' remarks does nothing at all to help us out on that front.
I would also point out that many of the "higher ranking" terrorists seem to be college educated and financially secure. They are taking advantage of the less learned among them for personal gain in the name of a higher calling.
I know this seems like I am nitpicking, but it is actually a bit more complicated than that.
The best work has been done interviewing suicide bombers. Alienation is truly one of the only things they all have in common - which is almost impossible to profile in itself. It seems that they are almost impossible to reliably profile based on any physical characteristics. A Belgian woman was a recent suicide bomber in Iraq. Men, women, young, old, white, black, arab, engineers, doctors, graduate students and professionals have also been known to be suicide bombers - which would seem to indicate it is not necessarily a situation of the educated exploiting the uneducated - although it is possible some of that is going on.
Too late for what? Because there are people practicing a religion, that apparently, you don't agree with? Oh, guess what? That's too bad. It's America. Freedom of religion is OK according to the founders and all. And what about all those stories about "bad" Muslims practicing in the US? Oh wait, there aren't any. Islam, for the most part around the world, and particularly in the US, is not radicalized.
There is nothing about a mosque that is inherently threatening or un-peaceful. Roving gangs of Muslims are not storming through American cities and towns shattering windows of rival religions, there is nothing about American Muslims that is a threat to our liberty. As a matter of fact, it is more likely that the Americanization of Islam will lead to a more moderate global approach to Islam than it is likely that American Islam will drastically change the American political and cultural landscape.
Give me 30 mosques in a 15 mile stretch, and I'll welcome the greater opportunity to mock yet another group of religious lunatics that believe in fairy tales while trying to pretend they have enough of a grip on reality that they can manipulate modern politics.
Too late for what? What the hell are you talking about?
Whaaaaaaaaaatever. I can't believe that you would be OK with an employee having to remove a Halloween card from his/her desk because it was offensive to a conservative Christian.
Pathetic
Well, honestly I'm not a fan of altering my lifestyle just to make some intolerant people happy. I liked what you said below, BTW. Good summation. My only point to what I said had to do with nomoto who appears to be very intolerant himself.
I am not intollerlent. I call a spade a spade, and could care less what you (anyone) think. Please do not get me wrong. I do not run around calling people names and such., I find it disrespectful. I open the door for every woman, no matter color race or creed. Get over yourself. Maybe you are a race baiter, or a hater?
Or maybe YOU are a moron.
This is kind of along the same lines, but I used to have a very well respected co-worker who was Muslim and observed Ramadan every year. During that time of year every co-worker on the floor voluntarily went out of their way on their own not to eat in front of our Muslim co-worker. It was actually a pretty impressive show of tact, consideration and respect by everyone. There was no "rule" necessary as we didn't need such a "rule" to be respectful and courteous to others. I think it would have been less impressive if a "rule" had to be made and enforced. Maybe apparently inconsiderate and disrespectful people like evil tempt employers to make those kinds of rules against their better judgment.
The business in question where I used to work was an engineering group comprised of many staunch conservatives in Alabama. I don't really see this as a left-right issue. It is merely a matter of basic consideration and respect.
I was just typing up a similar post.
It's a matter of courtesy to respect a co-worker who might be fasting.
It's not just Muslims who fast. I know that Jews and Catholics also fast. Although the Catholic Church has relaxed their rules on fasting.
I would do it out of respect. Not if I was threatened to do so.
I am glad you clarified yourself. Your earlier post indicated much less flexibility on the subject.
I agree that such rules shouldn't be dictated. I am not convinced that is what really happened either for that matter. A good manager avoids those kinds of rules and can accomplish the desired ends without resorting to such heavy handed tactics. A simple request will usually do it.
Well stated, I second everything you just said!
I agree with you on this. If you are being deliberatly offensive in the work place (ie: hanging a cartoon ridiculing a particular religion) I would agree with a dicatate coming down from management banning that from the work place. But I do not think people taking working lunches do so with the intent to insult others religion. As to Boortz's comments---he is pathetic and indicative of why sometimes rules need to be made in order to enforce common courtesy and respect for others in the work place--he would be the type of jerk to post a joke insulting some religion or race of people in the work place.
Norotornomotor9010,
If it was up to you, what would you suggest we do? In your opinion what are the problems we may face from the growing Islamic population?
I would say ignorance. To think that nothing of what you see going on around the world can happen here, is ignorance. I am not sure how to change things, one can not do it right all the time.
You completely ignored the question.
What is the threat of a growing Islamic population in the United States?
Noro,
I simply asked "If it was up to you, what would you suggest we do? In your opinion what are the problems we may face from the growing Islamic population?"
You answered: "I would say ignorance. To think that nothing of what you see going on around the world can happen here, is ignorance. I am not sure how to change things, one can not do it right all the time."
I am not sure you answered either of my questions. I was wondering what you would do if you were in charge and what the potential issues our country faces from a growing Muslim population.
I think those are fair questions, do you have answers?
Maybe 50 years from now, but it will become a problem if America does not curtail appeasing this very very difficult to understand religion
“Curtail appeasing” and “very difficult to understand religion”. How are we appeasing this so called “difficult to understand religion”? Why is this “religion” so difficult to understand?
It seem to me that there have been Muslims living in the US for many many years. We don't have a problem with the religion we have a problem with radicals. Radical of all kinds from all types of "religions".
And after we deal with the Muslims, we'll go after the Fundamentalist Christians and their hard to understand religion!
I think we're doing a lot better in dealing with the immigrant Muslim population in our country than the Western European countries because we have a freer, less rigid society than they do. Studies have been done examining this.
We don't, generally, tell Muslims they can't wear burqas in school, and they don't, generally, firebomb stuff and group in ghettos. They don't have trouble getting business licenses here. The somali cab drivers in Minnesota have not been successful in their attempt to discriminate who they pick up based simply on religious preference, and there has been no outcry of discrimination from the Muslim community on that. That's what America is about.
I think that is a pretty good analysis. It should also be noted that radical Islam is much more successful using feelings of alienation for recruitment - which would seem to tie into your remarks about Europe being more rigid socially.
Very good point. I think something that is lost in the comparison between economic societies of the USA and Euro societies that are known for their welfare. Sometimes people look at the USA and think our society is too immobile or rigid culturally and economically, but there's quite a bit of that going on in Europe too, if not on different subjects.
We don't, generally, tell Muslims they can't wear burqas in school, and they don't, generally, firebomb stuff and group in ghettos.
One lady demanded she take her Drivers license pic with her burqa on. Would that be ok with you?
Here in the bay area, Fremont has the largest East Indian population in the states. Just a FYI.
They don't have trouble getting business licenses here.
Agreed
The somali cab drivers in Minnesota have not been successful in their attempt to discriminate who they pick up based simply on religious preference, and there has been no outcry of discrimination from the Muslim community on that.
Funny, for a while there the Airport wanted to appease them. The where considering putting a special light on the cab so people could tell if they would allow alchohol and such in the cab. It was the PEOPLE who got left on the curb that made the difference. And people like myself who wrote the airport in anger that cvhanged things. Not soley the outcry from the Muslim Community. The airport also installed footbaths. What religion will they appease to next?
There is the case in NY right now where a kid is being charged with a hate crime for throwing a Koran into a toilet. You agree with this?
Target has had a problem with Muslims not wanting to handle pork in the checkout line.
The 6 flying Imams who wanted to sue the John Does.
Those are just examples of how intollerable the Muslim religion is. Hey, it is thier choice. I a do not have to appease it at all. Or Christianity as well.
Chris King
That's what America is about.
One lady demanded she take her Drivers License pic wither her burqa on. Would that be ok with you?
No, and Florida courts and appelate courts have also said that it isn't okay.
Here in the bay area, Fremont has the largest East Indian population in the state. Just a FYI.
Thanks for the info. Chicago has a lot of Greeks. Miami has a lot of Cubans. Dallas has a lot of Vietnamese. What's the point?
Regarding the cab drivers, again, the government and the public said that the rights of the public outweigh the religious claims of the drivers. Are you saying that's a bad thing?
I don't agree with charging someone with a "hate crime" for throwing a Koran in the toilet, but I can understand the point that the 23-year old at Pace University was creating a hostile, intimidating environment. I'd have to learn more details about this specific case.
The 6 flying imams who wanted to sue the John Does.
This sentence no verb. I see nothing wrong or intimidating about six people choosing to pray before boarding a flight. I don't care if they are Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Christian, or whatever.
So, you're evidence of this existential threat to our society is a single woman and her driver's license, some cab drivers, a kid charged with criminal mischief, Target's 'problem' with Muslims, and six people wanting to pray before getting on a plane.
And for THAT we need to be worried about the existence of our country and our society? Personally, I have more fear of those in our government and fearful masses who want to throw away our core rights and values in the name of 'security'. THAT is a threat to our way of life and our freedoms.
I see nothing wrong or intimidating about six people choosing to pray before boarding a flight.
When you're dishonest, it takes away from the legitimacy of your post. There are several reasons why a reasonable person should not be held responsble for viewing the actions of the imams, which included not only praying but: splitting up around the plane, being uncooperative with the flight crew, not carrying on any luggage, etc.
I wasn't being dishonest or obtuse. I just don't know the details of this, other than they were conspicuously praying before getting on the plane. I'll have to read up on this to get more details.
Their behavior has been grossly distorted by people scared by people like you.
They weren't a threat. They were hauled off the plane by the police and airport security and released later with no charges because they weren't doing anything wrong.
Some people, scared people, saw their very normal behavior and assigned sinister motives to that behavior.
6 people reserved seats on a plane at 3 different times, and so they got seats in different parts of the plane.
They were heading home, and so they did the same thing I used to do on planes. Carry as much as I have to have with me on a trip with me on the voyage there, and put it all in the checked baggage on the way back. I have other clothes at home I can wear if my bags don't come through immediately on my way home. If my checked bags have issues on my way to someplace, then I'm in trouble. The fact that they had no checked bags means nothing unless you're hyped up because of panic spread by those people who benefit from a scared populace.
I understand it was found they had done nothing wrong. I also understand that, even if it was pure coincidence that their actions mirrored those that might be taken if they had harmful intentions, those who pointed out the obvious should not be punished.
I think we differ on what should be considered "obvious". I am not convinced anything the Imams did necessarily indicated anything nefarious except in possibly a paranoid or bigoted mind.
If they had 'harmful intentions, don't you think they would have tried NOT drawing attention to themselves in order for the 'harmful intentions" to be carried out.
It's really asinine to think that someone who wanted to do harm would make a big show of it before they were able to act.
There are several reasons why a reasonable person should not be held responsble for viewing the actions of the imams,
You hit the nail on the head. REASONABLE not PARANOID.
So by your reasoning it's OK to call the cops when you see a black person in a mainly "white" neighborhood cause they have a high crime rate applied to their race? It's OK to alert security when you see Muslims praying cause some Muslims were responsible for 9/11?
It's called "profiling" and it does not work.
No, you have completely missed my logic and reason, and thus misapplied it. You may not use it to assume I support random racial profiling. I don't even know what race the Imam's were!
If a black man was in ANY neighborhood, and it could be documented by SEVERAL witnesses that he was acting suspiciously in SEVERAL ways, then you may apply my logic to that situation. Jerk.
I don't see where Pearlene misapplied your logic as you say. It seems that you accept on face value that the actions of these Imams were indeed suspicious. I am not entirely convinced of that.
You don't have to be convinced of it; my point was that they were not simply "a black man driving through a white neighborhood", the similie that was used to compare my logic.
Exactly. To some people who are overly paranoid, irrationally fearful and/or bigoted, a black man driving through a white neighborhood would seem just as "suspicious" as what the Imams supposedly did. You seem to think the analogy is bad because one suspicion is inherently more valid than the other. What if both suspicions are equally invalid and based on the same underlying paranoia/bigotry/irrational fear.
I don't disagree with you on paranoia's ill effects. I don't know that we'll see eye to eye on the line between paranoid and safe, as neither of us were there to witness what happened and discuss ourselves. I was simply saying that I was under the impression there was more to the Imam situation that what could be reasonably compared to a "black man driving through a white neighborhood", that's all.
I don't know that we'll see eye to eye on the line between paranoid and safe, as neither of us were there to witness what happened and discuss ourselves.
The 9/11 hijackers wore “western” style clothing. There goal was not to draw attention to themselves but to “blend” in with American travelers. The Imam wore “traditional” clothing. They were not trying to “blend” in at all. The climate in this country regarding Muslims would make you pretty dumb to announce that you were Muslim, boarding an “airplane” with the intent to cause harm.
Open, thank you. I suspect the "black" thing threw Dex for a loop.
Dex, my comments were not meant to raise your paranoid feeling regarding race. I was not accusing you of anything, simply giving you an example where being paranoid does not lead to reasonable thoughts.
Hard to have a conversations when you have knee-jerk reactions...
You might argue that "racial profiling" does not work, but I'm pretty sure police use "profiling" when conducting an investigation almost every time, LOL.
Profiling done by the FBI does take race into account but it's a small portion of the profile.
"because we have a freer, less rigid society than [Western European countries] do"
I think it's worth noting that that's true in some ways, but it is glaringly false in many others.
Some Western European nations are far more liberal than the U.S. when it comes to alchohol, drugs, sex, gay rights and prostitution. Perhaps this makes America all the more appealing for devout Muslims?
I don't really see how your comment differs from mine, but I'm happy you agree with me.
The only difference is that I'm citing the combination of freedom, opportunity and rule of law that appeals to Muslims, whereas you cited only the freedom and opportunity. All I'm saying is I think the picture is a little bigger when it comes to why they choose America over Western Europe.
"one more "inch by inch" story, the Islamization of Western Europe. And it's happening here, too, in this country."
The conservatives' hysteria over non-whites is really getting confusing.
Can't the right wing make up its collective mind on which ethnic or religious group we need to fear the most?
According to Pat Buchanan, America should have been overrun by Korean-speaking Koreans already.
According to Michelle Malkin, the Mexicans are plotting to take back America in the name of "Reconquista".
According to John Boehner and Virgil Goode, Muslims are plotting to invade America the moment our soldiers come home from Iraq.
Last but not least, we have Papa Bear O'Reilly, who's simply petrified at the thought of anyone who's non-white and non-Christian occupying any position of political power.
All the while have insistence from the right that conservatism is all about tolerance, acceptance and inclusion and it's really the progressive left that are the real hate mongers.
Bill OReilly can be a bigot, but the blog you cited does not note that Bill said that using a sarcastic tone of voice, mocking the NYTimes.
Now, was this before or after Boortz hammered Obama for upsetting our Muslim allies in Pakistan?
Nerzog, I'm sure you're with me on hoping that Boortz does not attempt to gain the influence that Obama is seeking right now.
The best thing for everyone to do is just ignore Boortz! Chickenhawk Boortz knows that if he refers to Media Matters, that he'll get a post about him!
Media Matters should just post his picture, with his E-Mail address; Boortz.com and the comment he made. Then refer anyone who has anything to say to him, to his e-mail address!
Media Matters should look at yesterdays Cavuto show, take a look at the, "Look at me I'm Gay," chartreuse shirt he had on ! Retire his Sonny Crockett picture, and post a new one!
Post Boortz's picture?
Upper right corner...Check
Post his e-mail address?
Middle right, link under "Contact Information"....Check
Post the comment he made?
Contained in the text and in the audio link..... Check
Referral of "anyone who has anything to say to him, to his e-mail address!"
"TAKE ACTION!" in big red capital letters just above the contact information.... Check
I'm sorry, what was your point again? Something about ignoring Boortz?
Its very entertaining to hear Boortz try to weasel his way out of an ignorant (yet typical) comment by telling his listeners he was just saying it for Media Matters.
Sure you were Neil, but I'm not sure even your listeners are going to buy that whopper.
You made a stupid comment. It works better if you just admit it.
The old "cockroach manuver" -- Boortz is an example of what happens when people forget to converse like adults.
a person of any race could be muslim, so while the comment is insensitive and inflammatory, i don't think it's racist.
Not racits just bigoted
What a sad, pathetic little mind, this Boortz.
Sounds like this guy got ahold of savage's automatic radio show script writing software. I believe it uses an internet spider to collect headlines and then inserts key words into a semi random word generator. Every day the same themes and rants just slightly altered to fool the inattentive.
[link to www.nhslothian.scot.nhs.uk]
The hospital says that this thing was just sent "to a small number of senior managers across NHS Lothian for background information only. It was not forwarded as a policy directive, nor was it in any way an official NHS Lothian document."
Pete 592,
It's over your head ,so I won't even try to explain to you!
Oh for cryin' out loud, give me a break.
You had no point.
This is great stuff. I love Media Matters posting these "Best Of" segments of Neal!!
Dear Neil,
Your results are in. I realize why you made the comments about the cockroaches. Yes, that is the disease from which you are suffering. Sorry about that.
Signed,
Dr.Savage
Thanks, again everyone. My show is growing every day, and listenership is reaching new highs. I attribute this to the attention paid to me by the good folks at Media Myrmidons. Really ... you people are real lay-downs.
By the way, if any of you ever figure out what "racism" really ease, be sure to post let me know. If you really want to stretch your intellect, tell me the difference between racism, bigotry and prejudice.
See ya!
Neal Boortz.
Neal,
Thank you for stopping by. I would like try to explain anything to you but I am not sure that you will be able to comprehend. Well. maybe after one of your interns reads the info and spells it out for you, you would understand. All I want to know from you is...Fair Tax is 23% as you say but if the total charge including fair tax is $100.00 and you claim the item costs $77.00. Maybe if you start with basic math, we can continue onto racism etc.
It suggested that working lunches could be difficult for Muslim colleagues who would be fasting, if observing the celebration. It also suggested organisations should consider, if felt appropriate, temporarily changing the route of food trolleys to be sensitive to colleagues who adhere to the Muslim faith. These suggestions - not orders - have been greatly exaggerated in the media and given a force they do not have.
The email was forwarded to a small number of senior managers across NHS Lothian for background information only.
It was not forwarded as a policy directive, nor was it in any way an official NHS Lothian document.
So, Mr Boortz, where's your apology for getting this story wrong?
Good post. I doubt Mr. Boortz -if that was really him- would ever have that kind of decency. I think he is a pretty smart and talented broadcaster, but he doesn't do humility and that is the reason I stopped listening to him. Of course, he probably has a thousand more bigots down here to take my place as they are pretty abundant.
Hey Mr Boortz
"Now, what do they mean by a working lunch? That's where you bring your lunch from home or you bring in takeout and you have lunch at your desk."
No, that's not what they meant. What they meant by working lunch was teams of people eating together and working at the same time, and how empathatic people might not want to do that when some of the workers are fasting.
"So, next month, National Health Service -- at least at this one hospital -- you are not permitted to have lunch at your desk."
Another untruth. There was never a rule that said they couldn't eat at their desks. I will await your correction, because I know that you want your listeners to have accurate news.
"Why not? Because it's Ramadan, and Muslims in your workplace might be offended if they see you eating at your desk."
Another untrue statement. It was never about Muslims being offended when others eat. It was always about being sensitive to other people's religious beliefs. I'm sure you want people to be sensitive to other people at work in a variety of ways. Why are Muslims in a class all by themselves?
"Why? I guess it's because Muslims don't eat during the day during Ramadan. They fast during the day and eat at night. Sort of like cockroaches."
Why can't you understand that the most offensive thing talked about in this whole segment was not the request to be sensitive to Muslims who are fasting, but your comment that likened Muslims to cockroaches?
Mr. Boortz,
do you feel it is imperative for one to jusitify their beliefs with actions that mirror ones beliefs? I notice how you support the President's policy on the Iraq war. I notice how you support the "war on terror". Have you always been one who supports the U.S. Military and it's actions? If so, why in the hell did you avoid Vietnam?
I personally know 2 of the Imams that were flying. One of them is the Imam at the masjid I attend and the other one married my husband and I.
It was reported that they changed seats... The Imam that married us is completely blind and so another Imam requested that the blind man be allowed to sit next to him so that he might assist him.
It was also reported that the men asked for seat belt extenders even though were thin men: Both of the Imams that I know are very large men with large waist-lines.
This whole incident was completely misreported. It was also said that they were making comments such as "down with America" in Arabic however, it turned out that none of the passengers spoke Arabic so how could they have known if such things were said?
Nichole,
Are you referring to the same mosque run by Imam Shahin, the spokesman for the imams? The mosque previously run by one of the 9/11 hijackers? The mosque attended by two students suspected by the FBI of dry-running the 9/11 hijacks?
That is where you bow to Mecca in service of the "religion of peace"?
"The mosque previously run by one of the 9/11 hijackers? The mosque attended by two students suspected by the FBI of dry-running the 9/11 hijacks?"--PMAN
Do you have any legitimate sources so the rest of us can see what you are talking about? I haven't seen anything about that and there does not seem to be any mention of it on the web from legitimate sources.
Sure, check out a full story on it at http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=249091839930090
This is from Investor's Business Daily:
Then there's the case of Muhammed al-Qudhaieen and Hamdan al-Shalawi, two Arizona college students removed from an America West flight after twice trying to open the cockpit. The FBI suspected it was a dry run for the 9/11 hijackings, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. One of the students had traveled to Afghanistan. Another became a material witness in the 9/11 investigation.
Even so, the pair filed racial-profiling suits against America West, now part of US Airways. Defending them was none other than the leader of the six imams kicked off the US Airways flight this week.
Turns out the students attended the Tucson, Ariz., mosque of Sheikh Omar Shahin, a Jordan native. Shahin has been the protesters' public face, even returning to the US Airways ticket counter at the Minneapolis airport to scold agents before the cameras.
In an Arizona Republic interview after 9/11, he acknowledged once supporting Osama bin Laden through his mosque in Tucson. FBI investigators believe bin Laden set up a base in Tucson.
Hani Hanjour, who piloted the plane that hit the Pentagon, attended the Tucson mosque along with bin Laden's onetime personal secretary, according to the 9/11 Commission Report. Bin Laden's ex-logistics chief was president of the mosque before Shahin took over."
I mixed up the al Qaeda hijacker with the al Qaeda logistics chief; the hijacker only attended the mosque, while the chief was the president of it.
I'd just like to know if Nicole, who writes in to defend the imams, attends that mosque.
First of all, your link is from a legitimate source, but it is an opinion piece that only shows one side of the story and completely ignores many things that are apparently in dispute in the "Flying Imams Controversy". I have no way of judging the editorials reliability simply based on that. For instance the article mentions these reasons as a basis for taking the Imams off of the plane:
• Made anti-American statements.
• Made a scene of praying and chanting "Allah."
• Asked for seat-belt extensions even though a flight attendant thought they didn't need them.
• Refused requests by the pilot to disembark for more screening.
Also, three of the men had only one-way tickets and no checked baggage.
Everything mentioned there is entirely arguable, but no mention is made of the other side of the debate even though such disagreement would seem obvious on many of the points. Your editorial is unreliable.
Secondly, you dishonestly omitted some mitigating information regarding Imam Shahin:
In an Arizona Republic interview after 9/11, he acknowledged once supporting Osama bin Laden through his mosque in Tucson.
You failed to mention this little tidbit:
Omar Shahin of the Tucson Islamic Center said members of the Tucson mosque may have helped bin Laden in the early 1990s, when he was fighting against the Russians. But that was during the Cold War when U.S. intelligence agencies were encouraging support for bin Laden.
"They (the CIA) called him a 'freedom fighter,'" Sahin said. "Then they tell us he is involved in terrorist acts, and they stopped supporting him, and we stopped."
It would be nice if you could come in here and argue your point honestly instead of trying to pull stupid little tricks like that. I will address the other points you made later. I have to run for now.
Open_Mind, you feel free to think whatever you like about me or that article.
I'd still like to know if that was the mosque that Nicole attended.
And another thing. It appears Hani Hanjour appears to have lived in Tucson in the early 90's where he attended the University of Arizona. I don't see any mention in the 9-11 report of which mosque they attended. Maybe you can provide a link to support your articles claim. Right now, it looks like a bogus claim.
As for Kenneth Williams remarks, it appears they have been taken completely out of context and inserted Shahin's name in a pretty transparent attempt to link him to something it appears he had nothing to do with:
"These people don't continue to come back to Arizona because they like the sunshine or they like the state," said FBI agent Kenneth Williams. "Something was established there, and it's been there for a long time." And Shahin appears to be in the middle of it.
Notice that the part about Shahin is outside of the quote? That is because these terrorists were not in Tucson - according to the 9/11 Commission Report since the early 90's when they may not have even been terrorists.
Your article is a complete smear piece that isn't much different from the crap accusing the government of being behind 9-11.
The best information in the article (if you can even call it that) appears to be purely circumstantial, but it completely ignores timelines and mitigating information to lead the reader to a purely speculative conclusion with the illusion that it is based on fact.
Pete,592,
I'll try and explain it to you; If he's the one recieving the e-mails instead of MM, he get's no exposure! That's what this loser wants, total exposure, 24/7! His latest book "Someone Has To Say It" is mired in at 4,619 on the bestsellers list! His knees are wore out, and can't take much more kneeling/genuflecting in front of Bush! When he's on-air, 75% of his show is all about his plane, his condo in Florida, where he's going, what pisses him off etc!
In other words, he's a over 60 year-old loser, with a high school education, capping it off with a big mouth, and nothing to back it up with! People like him, are a dime a dozen, big mouths, with racists attitudes, and thinks the world revolves around him, and his little piss-ant radio show!
Can you spell "asshole?" B-o-o-r-t-z. Why even bother with this insignificant canker on the social scene?
This kind of language is so typical coming from the South. I lived in Atlanta for 8 years, so you hear this kind of racially inflammatory speech all of the time. It's probably nothing more than Neal Boortz' attempt to reconcile his insecurities, fears and inadequacies as man that he's probably felt since youth.
I personally don't condone this kind of language, but I think it's important to remember that this is probably the best one can expect from a mind like this. His punishment is that he has to spend the rest of his life with himself. Can anyone think of a worser fate?
Mr. Boortz, I am not gay or anything that is associated with gays, but I have to say "I love you", along with Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh. You are a trio, who at least have some sense of the real world. You make listening to radio, an adventure! You cannot say that about many radio shows. I do not have a TV, so I rely one hundred percent of my listening, to radio. I recall, from memory, that TV is the original "Air polluter."
Booooore, the insane Weinerdog and OxyLimbaugh. Wow quite a trio. If you rely on them for anything but laughs you too can be the most uninformed, misinformed bigot on your block. Good luck with that
Don't you love all of the bloggers, well, most of them anyway. Most of them cannot stand on their own principals, he or she, have to use words; All, Most, Many, We, Them, etc., trying to enforce their opinions. I wonder how they managed to get so many followers? Neal Boortz gave some of these individuals a good resume, He calls them "government educated."
This is how it starts.
When Der Fuehrer says, "We ist der master race"We HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's faceNot to love Der Fuehrer is a great disgraceSo we HEIL! HEIL! Right in Der Fuehrer's face
Didn't the former Prime Minister of Rwanda call the Tutsis "cockroaches" before his government killed almost 1 million Rwandans?
I wonder why is that all hate in your heart towards muslims. Remember that you already judgeed all the muslims in the world. I am a christian and I have a muslim neighbours, they are really perfect. they mind their opwn business. we eat with them , and they do the same. I want to tell you that you do not represent the christian faith, all relegions came with the peace messege, and islam is one of them. bad people are all over the world regardless religion.
Remember that you will stand infron of god and you will be asked...are you ready????!!!!!!!
All his show needs is him wearing the white pillow case with holes cut out and doing the old fascist salute. Where'd they get this guy? An Aryan Nation rally?
No, I come attend a different Masjid then you are refering to and as the info Open Mind spoke of, the masjid was cooperating with Bin Laden when he was on the CIA payroll.
And, yes, when we pray we mention "Allah" aprox 16 times during a 4 rakah prayer. So, I wouldn't say that the Imams were making a scene. They were simply praying while traveling.
Based on the first comment in the list "Why would a man that would say this sort hate-speak on the national airways, a public domain of American citizens that is awarded with the condition of serving the public interest"
Might i ask, by whom is this domain awarded to the citizens? Isn't it granted by the PRIVATE businesses that broadcast his show and those of the like? Or perhaps it's the PRIVATE businesses that sponsor his show. Also, what kind of terminology is hate-speak? Can you PROVE, yes PROVE, that this man's intention behind his speech was hate? If not then perhaps it's just strong dis-like speech, or maybe impartial speech. Perhaps we should make a series of new anti-hate, anti-dislike and anti-impartial laws. That way all bigots of all varying degrees would be covered.
I would like personally to thank Boortz for the favor he is doing to Islam. The more people like him attack Islam, the more intelligent people get curious, study it, and find that it is the truth!! That's why there are thousands of Westerners becoming Muslim every year.
The funny thing is that he thinks that he is important and can influence the public opinion.. maybe.. for a short time, then nobody will ever remember his name. The media have made people like him sound important. For example, micky mouse is now famous, but he is still a mouse, and worse: an imaginary mouse!
Had we replaced the word "Muslim" with "Jewish" or "Catholic" in this guy's speech, he would've been most likely sued and gone to jail in America for racial profiling and slander.
Not that it really matters, but not only Muslims should be worried, but Americans of all religions...they should be very worried about what is happening to America...this guy is a disgrace to USA, and should be taken off-air.