CNN's Malveaux said "conspiracy theorists" talk about North American Union -- what about Dobbs?
SUMMARY: Discussing President Bush's denial that the federal government has plans for a
"North American Union," CNN's Suzanne Malveaux said Bush's denial followed "a
lot of talk in the blogosphere and conspiracy theorists." But Malveaux did not
note that CNN's own Lou Dobbs, on whose show Malveaux regularly provides news
reports, has repeatedly hyped the possibility of a North American Union.
On the August 21 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux showed a video clip of President Bush's denial that the federal government has plans for a "North American Union" or a North American superhighway that would link Canada, Mexico, and the United States, despite what Bush said "people are talking on TV about." Malveaux said Bush's denial followed "a lot of talk in the blogosphere and conspiracy theorists." Malveaux did not note that CNN's own Lou Dobbs, on whose show Malveaux regularly provides news reports, has repeatedly hyped the possibility of a North American Union. According to a search of the Nexis database, the North American Union has been mentioned on 53 broadcasts of Lou Dobbs' programs (Lou Dobbs Tonight and Lou Dobbs This Week)* -- 21 of which included Malveaux herself.** During a Malveaux report just the day before -- on the August 20 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight -- on-screen text read: "Critics say SPP [Security & Prosperity Partnership] an Attempt to Create a N. Amer. Union."

Moreover, Lisa Sylvester, guest hosting the August 21 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight -- which aired immediately following the Situation Room that featured Malveaux's report -- referred to the same comments by Bush as "an apparent shot at our very own Lou Dobbs and our reporting on the threats the SPP may pose." On-screen graphics during the video clip of Bush's remarks read: "Bush Blasts Lou Dobbs Over SPP [Security and Prosperity Partnership] Criticism."

On August 21, Bush, Mexican President Felipe Calderón, and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper were asked: "Can you say today that this is not a prelude to a North American Union, similar to a European Union? Are there plans to build some kind of superhighway connecting all three countries?" Bush responded: "It's quite comical, actually, when you realize the difference between reality and what some people are talking on TV about." Later that day, on The Situation Room, Malveaux said of Bush's comments: "Well, [host] Wolf [Blitzer], there's a lot of talk in the blogosphere and conspiracy theorists who believe that this summit was really a secret plot, if you will, to establish a supergovernment in support of big business -- that even there'd be some sort of superhighway that would be traveling through all three of the countries."
But there have been numerous references on Dobbs' shows to the purported North American Union and/or "NAFTA [North American Free Trade Agreement] superhighway" -- including during reports on the summit. Just the day before, Sylvester had introduced Malveaux's report as one about "the so-called Security and Prosperity Partnership," and had followed it up with a report about "[c]ritics of the Partnership [who] say the SPP is an attempt to create an outright North American Union without congressional oversight." Sylvester had a discussion with John Fonte, director of the Hudson Institute's Center for American Common Culture, and American University professor Robert Pastor, whom Sylvester called "the father of the North American Union" and referred to as "an ardent supporter of this." Pastor replied: "I never proposed a North American Union. I think that's completely impractical and impossible."
Similarly, other CNN programs have promoted the idea that the governments of Canada, Mexico, and the United States are considering a North American Union or the NAFTA superhighway, for example:
- On the October 27, 2006, edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight, the following exchange occurred:
DOBBS: Good evening, everybody.
Just one day after President Bush signed legislation here in Washington to build a border fence, the government of Mexico is threatening the sovereignty and national security of the United States. President Vicente Fox and President-elect Felipe Calderón are both asserting that the United States has no right to build such a fence along our southern border.
At the same time, the White House and its allies in corporate America appear determined to create a new North American Union, incorporating Canada, Mexico, and the United States. Such a union would, in effect, create a giant nation, including those three countries.
[CNN correspondent] Casey Wian tonight reports from Los Angeles on the Mexican government's most blatant attempt to interfere in U.S. affairs.
Suzanne Malveaux reports from the White House on the Bush administration's reaction to Mexico's statements today.
Lisa Sylvester reports from Washington on this administration's apparent determination to create a huge North American Union without authorization from the American people.
- On the November 29, 2006, Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs teased a "special report" about how "[t]he president is also determined to push his quiet agenda to create a North American Union of the United States, Mexico, and Canada without the approval of the people or the Congress."
- On the January 17 Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs teased a "special report" on "the Bush administration and corporate America in league, forming a North American Union between and among the United States, Canada, and Mexico without consultation, of course, of the United States Congress or American citizens." Later in the program, Dobbs added: "It's unofficially known as the North American Union. Some, for some reason, suggest there's no such thing, that there is no plan to merge the United States and Mexico and the United States without the knowledge and approval of the citizens of those three countries. Well, tonight, you're going to find out that there really is such a thing and it's all part of a plan."
- On the May 19 edition of Lou Dobbs This Week, Dobbs teased a report on the then-upcoming immigration bill: "Critics of this amnesty deal say the agreement sells out American citizens, national security, and this nation's sovereignty. Those critics say the Bush administration and some pro-amnesty lawmakers are hell-bent on creating a North American Union without the consent of the American people or Congress."
- On the June 22 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs said it was an "excellent question" as to why no other reporters were covering the NAFTA superhighway or the North American Union.
- On the July 31 edition of Lou Dobbs Tonight, Dobbs said of the "so-called NAFTA superhighway:" "The mainstream media finally beginning to pick up on a story we've been reporting here for some time -- the plan to build a superhighway -- yes, it really exists -- all the way from Mexico through the United States to Canada."
* Nexis search for SHOW(Lou Dobbs) and North American Union
** Nexis search for SHOW(Lou Dobbs) and North American Union and Malveaux
From the January 17 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
DOBBS: And the Bush administration and corporate America in league, forming a North American Union between and among the United States, Canada, and Mexico, without consultation, of course, of the United States Congress or American citizens.
We'll have that special report.
[...]
DOBBS: It's unofficially known as the North American Union. Some, for some reason, suggest there's no such thing, that there is no plan to merge the United States, Mexico, and the United States, without the knowledge and approval of the citizens of those three countries. Well, tonight, you're going to find out that there really is such a thing and it's all part of a plan.
From the June 22 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
DOBBS: Time now for some of your thoughts.
[Viewer] in Georgia saying, "As a teacher who has just finished her -- his fifth" -- let's try that all over again. "As a teacher who has just finished his 30th year in the classroom -- thank you for your report on parents being responsible for academic failure, chronic absenteeism, and drop outs."
And [viewer] in Indiana: "You are the only reporter I've heard mention the North American Union and the NAFTA Highway. Why are the other reporters not talking about it?"
An excellent question.
From the July 31 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
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DOBBS: The mainstream media finally beginning to pick up on a story we've been reporting here for some time -- the plan to build a superhighway -- yes, it really exists -- all the way from Mexico through the United States to Canada.
Critics say the so-called NAFTA superhighway is a first step towards eventual plans to merge Mexico, Canada, and the United States into, effectively, one nation.
But federal officials are denying there are plans for any such highway. In fact, they told The New York Times that a, quote, "Federal project for a behemoth highway bisecting the heart of the country and erasing America's borders is an urban legend."
At the same time, the White House today announced that President Bush and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper discussed ties between the two countries and relations with Mexico. The three leaders to hold a summit next month to disclose -- to discuss, not disclose, to discuss measures to make it easier to transport goods across our borders.
Lawmakers believe that that could result in even less border security, if that's imaginable.
From the August 20 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
SYLVESTER: From Hurricane Dean to politics. President Bush today made a new attempt to deepen U.S. links with Canada and Mexico. The president flew to Canada for a summit meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Steven Harper and Mexican President Felipe Calderón.
One of the key issues on their agenda: the so-called Security and Prosperity Partnership among the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.
Suzanne Malveaux reports now from Quebec -- Suzanne.
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SYLVESTER: Suzanne Malveaux, thank you very much for that report.
Now, the White House insists the Security and Prosperity Partnership is not a threat to U.S. sovereignty. Critics of the partnership remain unconvinced. They say the SPP is an attempt to create an outright North American Union without congressional oversight.
[CNN host] Christine Romans has the report.
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SYLVESTER: And Robert Pastor, you have often been referred to as the father of the North American Union. You are an ardent supporter of this.
Give us some of your reasons why. Don't you see this as part of us -- the United States essentially -- and, for that matter, Mexico and Canada -- essentially giving up some of its sovereignty?
ROBERT PASTOR (American University professor of international relations): No, quite the contrary. Sovereignty means the defense of nation. And greater cooperation with our neighbors means that our country will be defended better and will be both more secure and also more prosperous.
And I think if you want to build a wall and to keep out our two most important trading partners, our two most important sources of energy, this will diminish the sovereignty of our countries. Cooperation is absolutely essential.
I never proposed a North American Union. I think that's completely impractical and impossible. I do, however, believe that much deeper cooperation among the three countries is absolutely essential.
From the August 21 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
BLITZER: Suzanne, I want to switch gears. Talk about this other issue that's out there: the creation of a new North American Union, if you will, similar to the EU, the European Union. The president was asked about this today at the summit meeting with the leaders of Mexico and Canada. Listen to what he said.
BUSH [video clip]: I'm amused by the difference between what actually takes place in the meetings and what some are trying to, you know, say takes place. It's quite comical, actually, when you realize the difference between reality and what some people are talking on TV about.
BLITZER: All right, well, what is the background? What is going on here?
MALVEAUX: Well, Wolf, there's a lot of talk in the blogosphere and conspiracy theorists who believe that this summit was really a secret plot, if you will, to establish a supergovernment in support of big business -- that even there'd be some sort of superhighway that would be traveling through all three of the countries.
All leaders got quite a bit of a chuckle out of this one. We even heard from Prime Minister Harper who said, "Look, they manufacture the rules for manufacturing jellybeans are different in Canada, as well as the United States. If you standardize the jellybean, it's not a threat to Canada's sovereignty." So, obviously, a lot of suspicion on the part of what this summit was really about, but they assured people, "Look, there's nothing really to worry about."
BLITZER: A lovely time of the year to visit Quebec.
From the August 21 edition of CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight:
SYLVESTER: And President Bush apparently tries to blast our very own Lou Dobbs for trying to protect our sovereignty. We'll have that story coming up.
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SYLVESTER: President Bush today wrapped up the North American summit with Mexico's president, Felipe Calderón, and Canada's prime minister, Stephen Harper.
The talks, part of the Security and Prosperity Partnership, covered security and trade issues. Critics say these talks are preparations for a North American Union, which could threaten our sovereignty. President Bush tried to laugh off the critics, and he took an apparent shot at our very own Lou Dobbs and our reporting on the threats the SPP may pose.
BUSH [video clip]: I'm amused by the difference between what actually takes place in the meetings and what some are trying to, you know, say takes place. It's quite comical, actually, when you realize the difference between reality and what some people are talking on TV about.
SYLVESTER: Well, this administration has been pushing for this SPP. There's been little transparency. Congress has been largely left out of the loop, secretive meetings. The president may find it comical. Others find it very disturbing and outrageous.
Time now for tonight's poll: Do you believe, as President Bush says, the concerns about the Security and Prosperity Partnership are comical, yes or no? Cast your vote at LouDobbs.com. We'll bring you the results later in the broadcast.
[...]
SYLVESTER: Now the results of tonight's poll: Ninety-five percent of you do not believe, as President Bush says, the concerns about the Security and Prosperity Partnership are comical.















Now that's funny!
It's a riot. And I was going to write something blithe about how scary peace and harmony would be, however, I must admit I feel uneasy when I read this regarding this conspiracy theory:
BUSH [video clip]: I'm amused by the difference between what actually takes place in the meetings and what some are trying to, you know, say takes place. It's quite comical, actually, when you realize the difference between reality and what some people are talking on TV about.
I am hardly a conservative or conspriracy theorist but given Bush's previous track record with the truth now I am worried about the North American Union and about to side with Dobbs. Because if Bush is downplaying it now in the media, I half expect to hear about our annexing Mexico and Canada or the otherway around in a few months.
Strange and amazing. 95% of Dobb's audience disbelieve our decider-in- chief.
Let's be serious people.
You're not going to have an MMFA worker post a comment that MMFA are idiots.
Likewise, don't expect the same from people who work for CNN to say the same about Dobbs.
First, who's to say Dobbs is NOT a "conspiracy theorist"?
And second, who is so damn stupid as to believe there are not "conspiracies" abounding within this (and every) Administration?
Why are "conspiracy theorists" equated with tin foil hats and black helicopters, and NOT with Iran/Contra, Watergate, the "Arkansas Project", firing of attorneys general, the outing of Valarie Plame, or any of the other PROVEN CONSPIRACIES?
It is useful to conspirators to discount the TRUTH, and to ridicule those who seek to expose illegal and underhanded backroom dirty dealings. When you hear the charge of "conspiracy theorist", it's usually made by someone who knows that the conspiracy is a FACT, and does not wish it exposed.
Bush responded: "It's quite comical, actually, when you realize the difference between reality and what some people are talking on TV about."... sheesh, you'd think he'd more appreciative of the criminally delusional after 7+ years.
Regarding the Security Prosperty Partnership be reminded one of the missions is to insure continued commerce in the event of another terrorist attack. Commerce. Business and industry shipping goods and food.
Why then is it so hard to accept they intend to build the super highway?
We were lied to about the reason for invading Iraq and there are no consequences for the liars. The new mantra is: "Don't go back in time. We are there now, and we can't leave." And Boobis Americanis is buying it. Oh well, they lied, your kid died, but you know, we can't leave because things are getting better. Well, in my day, if you lied you paid the price. And things going better is a matter of opinion. The superhighway will be built, and then the liars will say it was needed to insure we get our needs met in case "they" attack us here and Boobis Americanis will say o.k...it's not such a bad idea. The liars will scare Boobis Americanis with visions of starvation and loss of necessary materials. The loss of American Sovereignty will mean nothing until there is a massacre on the highway involving unregulated trucks, inexperienced Mexican drivers or an environmental disaster with hazardous and deadly materials. States rights to control what is transported will be abolished. And there will be no consequences for the liars.
Nice.
That rant sounds just exactly like the ones I hear on conservative radio day in, and day out. I mean, almost verbatim. That's what's kind of scary.
If they were building this "superhighway" don't you think we'd see some signs of that by now? I mean, something that is going to carry commerce through all 3 countries is a rather large project, and should have commenced at this point in time, or is it entirely possible that it is already here? I mean, we do already have interstate highways that run, well, all through our country, and Canada's roads are pretty darn good.
As far as un-regulated Mexican trucks massacring people, come on now. They are going to have to follow the rules, just like everyone else. Haven't you ever seen a weigh station on an interstate where trucks are, get this, weighed and inspected before they're allowed to continue down the road.
I love these types of conspiracy theories, they abound around where I live in NC. People actually believe that the US government is going to disband, and we'll all be one large giant happy country (Canada, US, and Mexico) and that it will be a free for all. Seriously? Get a grip folks, get a freakin' grip on things.
Funny thing, I've seen and heard far less from people who believe there is a vast conspiracy to create a North American Union than I have from people who want to deny that there is such a conspiracy. What does it mean when someone is so quick to deny before being accused?
You should live in North Carolina. Local and national talk show hosts from the South have been discussing this for months on end now, and how it's another attempt at dissolving the USA, and how this will do it (funny how the UN was supposed to do it before, and that didn't happen either).
What is also funny is that the same people talking about how the US is going to dissolve because of this, are the same ones who deny that there could be any conspiracy behind 9/11.
Now, I don't prescribe to either of those theories, and tend to toss them into the pile with the Moon landing conspiracy nuts.
Ah, a regional thing then. This is really just another shade of the belief that the evil libruls wanted to team up with the UN to create a godless world government. So, how do these talkers reconcile that former belief with the fact that the conspirators in this case are not the liberals at all?
Conspiracy Theories are a popular and "entertaining" hobby of both the far left and far right.
Dobb's (and CNN) have truly been disgraceful on this issue. From the JFK assassination to 9/11, when people feel powerless and overwhelmed, they sometimes turn to conspiracies theories to provide some kind of explanation. Many of these conspiracy theories seem like cults to me.
I know, when the North American Union comes to being, Elvis will be our leader. Lee Harvey Oswald and the Mafia will be our state department, and all the aliens at area 51 will work for the Internal Revenue Service.
Google Kansas City Inland Port. Link to trade corridors. Click on Continental Maps. View all options. In relation to this discussion, I think things are under way. The question is whether or not it is sinister.
Corkyt
I don't know enough about the 'conspiracy theories' or the 'Security and Prosperity Partnership' to comment on them. However, proposals to build a superhighway connecting Mexico, the US and Canada are most certainly real. You can read all about them on TxDOT webpages:
http://www.keeptexasmoving.org/index.php/trans-texas_corridor
http://ttc.keeptexasmoving.com/projects/i69/
From the TTC website: Interstate 69 is a planned 1,600-mile national highway connecting Mexico, the United States and Canada. Eight states are involved in the project. In Texas, I-69 will be developed under the Trans-Texas Corridor master plan.
There's also plans for the Trans-Texas Corridor-35 (TTC-35) Oklahoma-Mexico/Gulf Coast highway. These highways aren't just roads that connect the US with out North and South neighbors (there's already plenty of routes that connect the three countries) rather, these are super-highways that are still in their planning phase. In my neck of the woods, sections such as SH-130 are already underway (through a public/private partnership with CINTRA, a Spanish-based company) and will later become a part of the TTC-35 master plan if and when the other sections of the highway are complete.
Then I ask this question:
So what?
So What is not a question. It's a statement of one who does not care or someone whose opinion has been exhausted.
I'm asking you, why do you think that this is important? Wouldn't it be better, and also in the meantime decrease the transit time of goods from Mexico to the US and Canada and vice versa? Therefore opening up trade even further between the 3 countries? ANd remember, yes, we are all friends, whether you want to admit that or not. This would also, undoubtedly, satisfy even further, American's thirst and taste for cheap goods, and lower prices.
I'm trying to figure out WHY you have a problem with a so called super highway, and nobody has really given out a good answer yet. It all still seems to revolve around the fear of the "brown" men from Mexico. Imagine my "shock and surprise" that the first time I heard of this little conspiracy, it was all about how the Mexicans were invading, and going to take over our country, and here was the "proof". No mention of the Canadians, probably because they're "white".
So I ask again; so what?
My original question was, is it sinister? I have not made up my mind. The reason the Tin-Foil Hatters are having such a field day with this is because of the "secrecy"...lack of media coverage. Bush denies the "North American Union" as fodder. But what is the end game of the SPP? Will there be a Trilateral Supragovermental organization that usurps congress for instance? Those are important questions...so important that the SPP website has a whole page dedicated to mythbusting.
As an ex-pat living in the UK for the last 8 years, I have witnessed the not so rapid decline of the dollar with much dismay. I do see the need for the US to compete in this globalized environment. Maybe a North American Union is not such a bad idea. It just depends on who is at the helm.
Being a brown person myself, race does not come into play. I think cynicism is more a factor.
MALVEAUX: Well, Wolf, there's a lot of talk in the blogosphere and conspiracy theorists who believe that this summit was really a secret plot, if you will, to establish a supergovernment in support of big business -- that even there'd be some sort of superhighway that would be traveling through all three of the countries.
I'm simply pointing out that there ARE plans for the superhighway. Whether or not one think's it's a big deal or not is personal opinion, but the superhighway plans are not a 'conspiracy theory', that's all.
Sorry, think not think's.
The Union we have now is bad enough, now they want to add Mexico and Canada to the Empire? Mexico is already a thoroughly corrupt and repressive corporofascist state, I can see why Corporate America wants them, cheap labour they can kill if it gets too uppity. But Canada? Methinks the corpos just want to control Canada to end their socialised health care, so we Americans have nothing to compare our crappy system to.
I think we need less Union. The US would cause a lot less trouble in the world if we broke up into 50 indy states. Then Texas can war with Iraq and South Carolina can fund Israel, if they want. They can pay for it all by themselves, too.
So your answer is National Castration. .. That could work for a while ;until the Chinese and our other creditors decide to collect and what a better time than when were all divided and fighting amongst ourselves. Union! You'll be screaming for a union when the real owners of our dept show up, ironically turning us all into slave labor.
How's that for cynical?