Scarborough: Military groups, like the VFW, give the GOP "standing ovations" but are "very cool" to Dems
SUMMARY: On Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough stated that "you always have the [Veterans of Foreign Wars], and you always have military groups, giving Republicans standing ovations and being very cool to people like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton." However, several news outlets have reported that both Obama and Clinton received "standing ovations" at the VFW convention.
On the August 23 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, in discussing President Bush's speech at the Veterans of Foreign Wars (VFW) convention, host Joe Scarborough stated that "you always have the VFW, and you always have military groups, giving Republicans standing ovations and being very cool to people like [Sen.] Barack Obama [D-IL] and [Sen.] Hillary Clinton [D-NY]." However, both Obama and Clinton reportedly received "standing ovations" from the VFW.
As Media Matters for America has previously noted, on August 20, The New York Times' Jeff Zeleny wrote on the Times' Caucus blog that Clinton was greeted with a "standing ovation" at the VFW national convention:
The audience of hundreds of veterans and spouses listened respectfully, greeting her with a standing ovation. During the Iraq portion of the speech, there was silence in the downtown convention hall, but at several other points, moderate applause rang out.
In an August 22 article, the Chicago Tribune reported that Obama received a standing ovation from the VFW audience:
Both Obama and Thompson, neither of whom served in the military, were welcomed respectfully and received standing ovations from an audience that included veterans from every war since World II. Still, several in the crowd said they do not agree with Obama's position on the Iraq war.
In addition, on the August 21 edition of Fox News' Special Report, Fox News correspondent Steve Brown reported that former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson (TN) "was interrupted by applause seven times"; "[b]y contrast," he continued, "Obama was interrupted by applauding VFW conventioneers 18 times."
From the August 21 edition of Fox News' Special Report with Brit Hume:
BRIT HUME (host): Welcome to Washington, I'm Brit Hume. In Kansas City today, Republican Fred Thompson and Democrat Barack Obama each tried to convince the Veterans of Foreign Wars that he is best qualified to become president. For Thompson, it seemed a golden opportunity to score points with a friendly audience, but as correspondent Steve Brown reports, his performance may have reinforced worries about his candidacy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator, when are you going to do the right thing and run. I'm serious?
THOMPSON: Well, give me -- we're putting it together. It takes a little time, but we're getting there.
BROWN: It was a ready-made audience for the yet to announce presidential candidate Fred Thompson; the annual convention of the VFW is largely made up of older, more conservative military veterans in support of the U.S. troop surge in Iraq, many eager to hear Thompson speak.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody knows he is an actor, you know, so, most of our actors, you know, they should be able to get in front of a camera and speak, you know, and talk to a crowd.
BROWN: And while Thompson said things most of the vets wanted to hear about soldiering on in Iraq, the former U.S. senator seemed to struggle at times delivering his speech. An example: when Thompson was describing an encounter with a double amputee Iraqi veteran.
THOMPSON: What kind of a nation we must be to produce such people.
BROWN: Thompson seemed unfamiliar with the applause lines in his own speech. All told, he was interrupted by applause seven times.
By contrast, anti-Iraq war Democrat Barack Obama was interrupted by applauding VFW conventioneers 18 times.
OBAMA: I want to be absolutely clear: Our troops have performed brilliantly in Iraq. They have done everything we have asked of them.
From the August 23 edition of Morning Joe:
SCARBOROUGH: So, what's interesting is, though the timing is obviously great for the White House -- and you do have the president going to the VFW and getting, I mean, getting rousing applause. It's so interesting, you know.
I love listening to people, Democratic candidates, talking about all the troops that are against the war and all the veterans who are against the war, and yet, you have these speeches and you always have the VFW, and you always have military groups, giving Republicans standing ovations and being very cool to people like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.















Is the VFW a political organization? No
Where does Joe get off saying this?He is wrong based on the evidence MMFA has provided.
I watched Thompson's and Obama's speeches to the VFW in their entirety. The difference was obvious and striking. Obama gave a clear, forceful and coherent speech, and often had to shout above the applause. Thompson was lethargic, distracted, rambling, and he received less of a response.
I wonder if Scarborough is perhaps out of touch with the current climate and still basing his assumptions on old sterotypes and trends. I hear alot of anecdotal evidence that the military, veterans, and their families are very critical of this adminstration and their actions. Obviously this isn't proof of anything--no scientific sampling. But I think it wil be interesting to see how the voting trend of these voters plays out in the coming election.
"... I hear alot (sic) of anecdotal evidence that the military, veterans, and their families are very critical of this adminstration and their actions..."
American Heritage Dictionary -
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The point of this post, Mr. Webster?
The point is, before he looked it up he thought anecdote was how one counteracts poison.
LOST LOGIC:
Scarborough operates as if the "frames" created by the rightwing are REALITY. They are HIS reality, and so he believes he's being honest as he makes offhand remarks based on the premises within those frames.
The ultimate irony, of course, is that the rightwing FRAME insists that there is still a "mainstream media" which is overwhelmingly LIBERAL. Joe will repeat this, as will Brit Hume and Limbaugh and Gibson and Beck and Hannity and O'Reilly and all the other most-seen employees of our current national "news" broadcasting establishment.
On the OTHER side? There's Olbermann, and then there's Comedy Central talents Jon Stewart and Colbert (who, to add to the irony, is a take-off parody on Bill O'Reilly).
Stereotypes rule the day with these rightwing frames, which are dealt out as "conventional wisdom" that "everybody knows".
Luckily for Joe, his job is not to investigate or report reality. His job is to repeat rightwing propaganda as if TRUE. It's gravy if he can actually BELIEVE the frames ... and I think Joe does. Others know the truth, but carry out their duties for the paycheck.
I guess Nixon was right. Thompson is an idiot.
I never thought I'd say this, but Nixon's looking better to me every day.
Nixon is looking great today, especially compared to the lowlife we have in the WhiteHouse and the rift raft the GOP has running for President. I fear the future.
There is a recorded conversation of Nixon and Kissenger agreeing that Vietnam could not be won. But they also agreed that they couldn't end the war because it might cost him reelection. If this isn't mass-murder I don't know what is. Allowing him to go so gently into that good night of history is a mistake. The righties like to claim that they are the party of Lincoln, but what they are is the party of Nixon. Softening the truth about him and making a saint of Reagan are the types of myth making that allowed them to take over the government and lead us into Iraq.
Please don't take my comment above seriously.
I will hold Nixon in contempt for the rest of my days.
I was only trying to point out that the present occupant of the White house is horrendous.
I will never, ever, give Nixon a pass or join the crowd who worship the late 20th century Republican "heroes".
Worrieking, That wasn't really addressed at you. I understood the tone of your comment.
let's not get carried away with the nixon stuff. he was, no doubt, a smart man and he was not a knee jerk conservative on many issues. and i do not disagree that ford should have pardoned him. it was time for the country to move on. but nixon was a criminal, an unindicted co-conspirator [sp?], who said on one of the tapes that it would be no problem to get a million dollars to buy the silence of the watergate burglars. he used the fbi and irs to go after his enemies. i know you're joking, but i think a lot of people have this image that nixon got treated unfairly. he deserved the pariah treatment he got. {anyone else hear they're doing another remake of "the longest yard"? this time it's going to be a documentary, michael vick in the quarterback role.}
Ford SHOULD NOT have pardoned Nixon. Doing so seems to have sent a message to the Washington establishment that they could do whatever the hell they want to, and get away with it.
No justice, no peace.
i disagree. and so do people like ted kennedy, who disagreed at the time. i don't think it would have been worth the turmoil and distraction to charge him and put him on trial. and add to that the fact that it's likely that there would have been a couple people on a jury who would not convict him. so do you do a second trial? he bears the historical stigma of being the only president forced to resign, and when he died his family [wisely, because there would have been a huge outcry] did not request that he lie in state in the capitol as other presidents have done. slogans are nice, but they're generally not real life.
I wonder if Scarborough is aware of these veterans feelings?
No, no, Joe, you were referring to your own standing ovation you gave Bush when you CAMPAIGNED WITH HIM in 2004.
As PICTURED HERE, hello?
http://slapnose.com/images/blog/0804/0804_scarboroough_333x410.jpg
You were having a flashback to the time when you CAMPAIGNED with George W. Bush. Um, where's your objectivity now, Joe?
Great link, thank you.
Joe was hired by MSNBC as a result of the "Fox Effect." He's supposed to be the station's younger version of Bill O'Reilly. Like O'Reilly, he says he's independent and down the middle by he's really part of the Far Right. (Though I think he's much less obnoxious and easier on the eyes than O'Reilly.)
Scar is a pathological liar. Sociopathic tendencies are also evident everytime he interacts with anyone capable of thinking, as his hysteria over his inability to compensate for his ignorance and hide the shame of his sadistic personality-which is the personification of today's modern Christian/Republican icon in the conservative movement-is amplified when he attempts to overcome his obvious deficiences...