Hannity refused to disavow Ted Nugent's slurs against Obama and Clinton
On the August 24 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, co-host Sean Hannity aired video footage of musician and right-wing activist Ted Nugent at an August 21 concert calling Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) a "piece of shit" and referring to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) as a "worthless bitch." In the video clip, Nugent holds up what appear to be two assault rifles and says he told Obama "to suck on my machine gun" and says he told Clinton "you might want to ride one of these into the sunset." After airing the clip, Hannity referred to Nugent as a "friend and frequent guest on the program," and then compared Nugent's comments to recent statements by Obama, which Hannity again distorted by claiming Obama "accus[ed] our troops of killing civilians." Hannity then asked Democratic strategist Bob Beckel: "What's more offensive to you? Is it Barack Obama's statement about our troops or Ted Nugent?" Beckel responded by asking Hannity if he was "prepared to disavow this lowlife," to which Hannity responded: "No, I like Ted Nugent. He's a friend of mine." When Beckel said that Nugent "ought to never come on your show again, and if you have him on, you ought to be ashamed of yourself," Hannity responded: "Not at all. We have you on."
According to Nugent's biography on his personal website, he has been a member of the National Rifle Association's board of directors since 1995. In addition to his attacks on Clinton and Obama, Nugent, in a portion of the video clip not aired on Hannity & Colmes, said that Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) "might want to suck on my machine gun," and called Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) a "worthless whore."
Notwithstanding his defense of Nugent, Hannity has decried "hate speech" in the past -- particularly comments directed at President Bush and other conservatives. For example, as Media Matters for America previously noted, on the March 13 edition of Hannity & Colmes, Hannity denounced Clinton's claims of a "vast right-wing conspiracy" as "hate speech." On the March 11 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America, Hannity devoted an entire segment to a "list of the worst examples of liberal hate speech," during which he attacked Clinton, National Public Radio's Nina Totenberg, Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL), comedian and Democratic Senate candidate Al Franken, actor Alec Baldwin, and others.
As Media Matters documented, Hannity has repeatedly mischaracterized Obama's August 13 statement that "[w]e've got to get the job done there [in Afghanistan], and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there." Obama did not "accus[e]" American troops of anything, but instead expressed support for increasing the number of troops in Afghanistan so the U.S. military is not so reliant on airstrikes in the region.
From the August 24 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
NUGENT [video clip]: I was in Chicago. I said, "Hey, Obama, you might want to suck on one of these, you punk!"
Obama, he's a piece of [bleep]. And I told him to suck on my machine gun. Let's hear it for it.
And I was in New York. I said, "Hey, Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless [bleep]!"
HANNITY: That was friend and frequent guest on the program Ted Nugent expressing his feelings towards Democratic presidential contenders Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Joining us now, Democratic strategist Bob Beckel and Republican strategist Karen Hanretty.
You know, Bob, we may actually agree here. Here is Ted Nugent. He's saying, you know, the "Wang Dang" song, "Cat Scratch Fever," wears a loincloth on stage, fires, you know, an arrow at targets on stage. I see you liberals more upset about that, but I don't hear anybody criticizing Barack Obama for accusing our troops of killing civilians, air-raiding villages, et cetera, et cetera. What's more shocking to you? What's more offensive to you? Is it Barack Obama's statement about our troops or Ted Nugent?
BECKEL: You know, only you could figure out a way to ask a question like that. First of all, Nugent, this is a boy who's missing a couple dogs from under his front porch. This guy has been pimping for Republicans for years now. They want him to run for Senate against Obama. I can't believe -- when the Dixie Chicks said something about George Bush, which was mild compared to this jerk, and the religious right, the Dobsons and the Robertsons, rose up in fury. You rose up in fury.
[crosstalk]
HANNITY: You know, typical Bob Beckel. But you can't answer the question. I didn't ask you that.
BECKEL: I want to see --
[crosstalk]
BECKEL: Are you prepared now, Sean -- are you prepared to disavow this lowlife or not?
HANNITY: No, I like Ted Nugent. He's a friend of mine.
BECKEL: You do, after did he that? After he did that?
HANNITY: But he's a rock star. Yes, here's my point. If you don't like it, don't go to the concert, don't buy his new albums.
[crosstalk]
BECKEL: I can't believe you're defending this lowlife.
HANNITY: Here's my question again, and hopefully your liberal brain can absorb it.
[crosstalk]
BECKEL: The question is not even a close call. I think Nugent was far over the line and Obama was not.
HANNITY: I want to know. Barack Obama accused our troops of killing civilians and air-raiding villages. What is more offensive to you, which statement?
BECKEL: Because I know the context in which Obama said it. This Nugent is more offensive. This guy ought to be knocked off the air. He ought to never come on your show again, and if you have him on, you ought to be ashamed of yourself. He's a bum!
HANNITY: Not at all. We have you on.
I happen to like Ted Nugent for his music. I had no idea until I saw him a couple years ago he was so damn political. I think he is fun to watch up on stage, and could give a rats a@@ what he says.
Now, if Hannity is a friend of his, so be it. Who is BECKEL to dictate who he is freinds with and or has on his show?
Why again is Ted a "Lowlife"?
Why again is Ted a "Lowlife"?
Because he made some hateful statements against Obama and Clinton, and he is a partisan GOP talking point, that is why.
There are many Artisits who have talked smack about our politicians. Who really cares. Poor poor sesnsitive people.
Yes, Hannity is quite the sensitive artist. He certainly is not bright, intelligent, fair or balanced, a reporter, an informer...
Doris,
You replied "Because he made some hateful statements against Obama and Clinton, and he is a partisan GOP talking point, that is why."
Sorry Doris but I must one up you on this and say that Nuggents implied statements about Obama and Clinton were such to be that of someone threatening bodily harm with the use of a machine gun.
If anything Ted should be brought up on charges of threatening bodily harm to two federally elected officials with a gun.
Here is another reason he is a "low-life:"
"Except when it was time to register for the draft during the Vietnam era. By his own admission, Nugent stopped all forms of personal hygiene for a month and showed up for his draft board physical in pants caked with his own urine and feces, winning a deferment. Creative!"
http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/529419,CST-NWS-roep27.article
Or for this:
The Nuge is also a big fan of the current war in Iraq.In fact, the 57-year-old rocker also "told it like it is" during the Vietnam War. Here's Ted on what he would have done if he went to Vietnam:"… if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd kill all the hippies in the foxholes … I would have killed everybody," he told the Detroit Free Press in an interview published July 15, 1990.Fortunately, for our hero, Ted didn't go to Vietnam.
http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060528/NEWS/605280335/1017/FEATURES08
Or these pearls:
Here are a few choice quotes from Ted over the years:
http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060528/NEWS/605280335/1017/FEATURES08
Want others?
I guess you do not get he is all hype. To bad for you.
So, you want to defend Nugent's actions to all of the Vietnam vets who were drafted?
What about that he is considering a run for the Governorship of Michigan?
Were the Dixie Chicks "all hype" too?
Are you expecting Hannity to applogise for Ted?
Am I expecting you to apologize for defending Ted's hate speech?
Just keep it up. We know how seriously to take you next time you post.
I will only appologise for myself and my 5 year old son.
is that your rifle, or are you just happy to see me?
http://www.gunguys.com/#post-2422
I must have mistaken you for your five year old.
They're easy to tell apart - his five-year-old son is the one who displays maturity.
:-)
All things considered, I feel sorry for your 5-year-old son, having to go through life with you as a parent....
Nope, just expecting Hannity to try and find some consistency. The Dixie Chicks did not tell Bush to suck on a machine gun and he went nuts. All they said was that they were ashamed Bush was from Texas and he repeatedly hammered them. Just imagine if they had said what Nugent said.
I don't expect Hannity to apologize for the Nuge. I would just like him to be consistent in his disdain for hate speech.
What makes it hate speach?
Ok, maybe hate speech is the wrong word, but he is certainly advocating violence here.
No, it is simply hate speech. In fact, this video should become the example of hate speech. The Dixie Chicks voiced their opinion without asking that someone "suck on" a "gun" or ride one into the sunset.
What Nugent said is nothing but hate. Just imagine if you switched quotes between the Chicks and Nugent. On second thought, it is impossible to imagine, but then this is exactly why Hannity is the epitome of hypocrisy.
Don't let Tommy or whoever it is derail the conversation.
My bad Scooter, just thought agreeing would move things along. Advocating violence is hate speech, I agree.
Why again is Ted a "Lowlife"?
From DemocraticUnderground: "Appearing on Denver's 103.5 FM Lewis & Floorwax morning show, The Nuge pontificated on Japanese-made guitars, referring to them as "J aps." When the hosts of the show called him on the use of the word, Nugent couldn't resist and let all of Denver know that words such as "J ap," "G ook," and "N-word" were, hey, just words and shouldn't offend anyone."
Also this:
"In a July 15, 1990, Detroit Free Press interview, Nugent crowed about how he managed to dodge the draft. He claims that 30 days before his draft board physical, he disavowed personal hygiene. The last ten days he ingested nothing but junk food and Pepsi, and with a week to go until the physical, he stopped using the bathroom altogether. When the big day came, he had been living in excrement-caked and urine-stained pants. Always the hero, however, Nugent reassured the Free Press, “But if I would have gone over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed all the Hippies in the foxholes. I would have killed everybody.”
"a woman is suing Ted Nugent over child support for her 8-year-old son that she says Nugent fathered. Apparently the woman's lawyer claims that Nugent "acknowledges" that the child is his but has only paid "minimal" child support since he was born: "Given the fact he's worth millions and millions of dollars, he's paying the amount someone making about $20,000 per year would pay." The woman is also suing for official custody of the child - which is sensible, since Ted would probably let him loose in the woods and give him a one hour head start before coming after him with a crossbow."
"... he was ordered to do cough up to the tune of $3,500 a month."
Why, oh why does Teddy hate America so much? He seemed like such a good boy.
PS: Ted Nugent's music is on par with his personality.
It sucks.
Who is O'Reilly to dictate where Democrats can and can't go to campaign?
Who is Hannity to do the same?
To understand why he's a low life, you must 1st understand what "free speech" means.
What should free speech do? 1st of course is to discover the truth. The 2nd is to promote tolerance. Does Ted, or the republican party in general, do that? Let's look at some of the things considered to be a hinderance to free speech.
Various governing, controlling, or otherwise powerful bodies, in many places around the world have attempted to change the opinion of the public or others by taking action that allegedly disadvantages one side of the argument. This attempt to assert some form of control through control of discourse has a long history and has been theorized extensively by philosophers like Michel Foucault. Many consider these attempts at controlling debate to be attacks on free speech, even if no direct government censorship of ideas is involved. Alleged examples include the following:
Limits on the size of public demonstrations
Hate speech that is defamatory or causes incitement to violence
Political secrets: campaign strategies, dirty past/deeds of a politician, etc
Lies that cause a crowd to panic or causes Clear and present danger or Imminent lawless action, such as Shouting fire in a crowded theater
Fighting words doctrine:(U.S. 1942) "insulting or 'fighting words', those that by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace"
Sedition: speech or organization (vs Freedom of Assembly) that is deemed as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws
Treason: to talk publicly of the death of all countrymen or the overthrow of the government
Thanks for posting that Snoop. I am petting you copiously on your tummy.
woof!
Hannity just keeps proving what a joke he is. those statements by Nugent are divisive and hateful and Hannity and FOX should disavow them and never alow this hater on their network again. Of course that will not happen becuase FOX is a partisan joke.
Nugent is an idiot, but Hannity is more dangerous.
Does anyone know a host or "reporter" so entrenched in the Liberal/Democrat side that they can be seen as the Hannity of the Left? I'm not talking about being partisan, although Hannity claims to be part of the "fair and balanced" crowd, which is a lie. I'm asking about someone who hammers every day on the other side while completely ignoring the crap that is (thankfully) destroying their own.
Hypocrites. Like Hannity, Limbaugh, Beck, O'Reilly, and that albino guy who hates everyone who isn't as white as he. Do they exist on the Left?
I think not.
Hannity had zero credibility to start with, so I guess he's now into the minus column.
Nugent is a scumbag, always has been, hard to believe Mr. Cleancut All-American Boy considers lowlife like that a friend. Guess Sean can excuse just about anything & anyone if it smears the *enemy*.
What Nugent said about Clinton & Obama goes way beyond what the Dixie Chicks were persecuted by Hannity & others for saying.
This guy doesn't deserve to be on radio or TV. But who ever told us life was fair?
I'm in total agreement with you, Jeter.
Good post.
Par for his course, Hannity: 1) Take Obama's accurate criticism of the outcomes of our policies, 2) Take Nugent's vitriolic personal attacks, 3) try to conflate #1 as equivalent to #2 which it is not, 4) try to make the faux equivalency worthy of similar condemnation, 5) use that as a basis to attack the guest for stepping past the nonsensical argument of the false equivalency. Most importantly, it takes this non-issue and paints it as significant rather than focus on the elephant in the room that is the Iraq War and the fact that Obama was basically correct regarding Afghanistan.
Reels the mind (of anyone who thinks).
Wow! WOW! Talk about hate speech. Koz gets compared to Nazis and the KKK by Fox mouthpiece O'Lielly. The Dixie Chicks get attacked by southern slope-heads for speaking the truth. But Hannity can mug at the cameras and okay real hate speech. If someone on the left does this Fox and talk radio go into hyperdrive. Let's see where O'Lielly weighs in on this sad episode. The right wing sucks. Thank god their reign of terror is at an end. Can I get an Amen from the church?
My money's on O'Reilly not so much as uttering a single word about it. I don't think he'll get chummy with him like Hannity has, Bill will just look the other way and pretend it didn't happen.
You need to understand the regressive mindset, Chrome & Pete.
Right Wing chickenhawks such as O'Lielly & Hannity condemn the Dixie Chicks, Kos, et al, as practitioners of "hate speech" because THEY HATE WHAT THESE PEOPLE SAY!
Conversely, these Faux 'commentators' LOVE what dildos like Nugent & Crazy Annie say, & therefor see no problem with it.
Besides, Nugent was just joking, & liberals simply have no sense of humor.
Or, Nugent was just giving his opinion, & why are liberals always trying to suppress free speech.
Or, Nugent is an entertainer, & he's bound to be a little over the top, & liberals have no sense of humor.
Or, Nugent is a rock star &... well, that does have me pretty well stymied, but I'm sure it has some sort of strange meaning in the dark recesses of Hannity's reptilian mind.
And, besides that, why are we giving them so much publicity? If we just ignore them then they'll surely go away.
AMEN, BROTHER CHROME!!!
Sorry... make that Brother Krome.
Not to mention that Sean doesn't even know that his "good friend's" song is "Wango Tango", not "Wang Dang".
I loved the Motor City Mad man growing up. Can't fathom how his politics got so messed up.
T-Bone, are you forgetting Wang Dang Sweet P**ntang ?
I'll confess here; Although I consider my musical tastes to be pretty unassailable in general, once in a while on a long drive I just want to get stoopid, so for those times I have a Nuge cd in my truck. I'd always thought that he was at least partly tongue-in-cheek, but it looks like that's the real Ted.
For several years, I didn't have cable and wasn't watching TV too much, so when I eventually got "hooked up" again, I was pretty surprised to see Ted Nugent as a frequent guest Republican pundit on Fox.
He can play the guitar,I'll give him that much.
Ah, that was the profanity that was preventing me from posting. Very thorough, MMFA, you even have p00ntang in your filter.
But he's a real jerk in real life too. My dad's business is next door to his cousin's farm, they thought fun was hopping the fence and destroying the windshield wipers on all the new cars in the lot. Lied like a golf ball in a sandtrap when they got caught.
I have to admit to being '70's music snob, but for the life of me, I can't remember anything Ted's done other than Cat Scratch Fever.
But then again, it was the seventies.
Hiya, Worrierking- I'm usually pretty leery of the white boy blues covers, especially when they try to sound "too authentic".Usually works out better when musicians take it another direction, and so I'll admit to liking Nugent's live version of Baby Please Don't Go.
When he came to San Bernardino, I saw him mostly because he was with the Scorpions. He gave an interview to the Sun where he told them he COULD play like Jimmy Page or Eric Clapton but his fans expect something special out of him. To me Ted is a mediocre guitarist. On his best day he would be shamed by Ronnie Montrose and couldnt hold Jimmy Page's jockstrap.
Coincidentally, Solon, Nugent WAS holding Jimmie Page's jockstrap when he dragged his feces & urine caked ass into the Selective Service office for his physical.
You're absolutely right, Solon. Nugent is one of those mediocre players who try to pass on glorified scale exercises as solos.
Hannity a "joke"? How come nobody's laughing? And, Norotor, no amount of onstage fun could make Ted Nugent anything other than a hate-filled, vicious lowlife - just the sort of boon companion that would light up Sean Hannity's low life.
Did MMFA tack a clip from FNC's H/C program and slap the MMFA logo over the FNC logo?
Seems like an unethical violation of "fair use"...
Did you watch more than the first few seconds of the clip when the MMFA logo goes away?
Oh, come on now, MMfH. You can't really expect hannity to disavow his good friend Nugent. Why, the "wang tang" song still takes him back to the first time he made love. It helped him feel like he wasn't all alone...
But isn't Hannity's date with "rosie and her 5 sisters" technically "alone"?
Nugent has every right to shout his opinion...as I have to shout that his comments were beyond the pale...completely out of line.
Hannity, in defending Nugent, proves his jaded and biased intellect. He's shallow and not an intelligent representative of the conservative movement. Hannity is the original swiftboater.
I do not in any context support Obama's stance on the war...but it is simply moronic to equate the statements of Obama and Nugent.
I gotta' give you your props for that post, Wesley.
Mescal, word on the street is that Wesley's a...LIBRUL !
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
Ditto, Ok I've dittoed both Jeter and Wesly today. I fear I'm in danger of becoming a Conservative ditto head, nah that will never happen. Seriously you guys are fair and I respect that.
I think real men like Ted Nugent threaten discredited reporter David Brock and the other sissies at Media Matters for al Qaeda.
No, I'm pretty sure he just threatened Hillary, Obama, and Nancy with gun violence.
Perhaps you just imagined it in one of your nocturnal "flights of fancy".
Sorry to inform you of the news pardner...but your recent postings have done nothing to help further the conservative causes.
The constitution affords you the right of almost any position...but this conservative does not want, need or condone your opinions in trying to further the conservative agendas.
Wesley:
If you're a conservative, so is Barney Frank.
Gadzooks...I'm accused of being a liberal...after all the years I've finally been outed.
In the interest of dragging this further down...my response...semper fifi.
Ah, I see the problem, your impression is that ALL conservatives are as bone ignorant and brain dead as you are. I dont agree with Wesely about hardly anything but he often makes thoughtful posts that show evidence of higher brain function, not having the capacity to understand that it confuses you, so you dont think he is a conservative. Sure he is, he just isnt like YOU.
My wife and I were in Ireland for the wedding of a nephew and I was leaning on the bar conversing with some locals while quaffing some bad Irish beer.
A drunk and very obnoxious Irishman shouldered his way into the conversation and proceeded to make an ass of himself. I did my best but he was very hard to ignore.
Another of the locals tapped me on the shoulder and invited me down the bar...his comment was, "Don't mind him, we've got them over here too".
Thanks solon, for noticing the difference.
Sure, dont worry, we will be at each others throats again soon enough.
A little detente between conservatives and liberals never hurt anyone.
Maybe not by why take the chance?
"...A drunk and very obnoxious Irishman shouldered his way into the conversation and proceeded to make an ass of himself..."- wesley
You and your far-fetched stories, Wesley. ;0)
keep it up and the jacket is coming off
halfa-, aren't you in Ireland? I'm guessing you're just upset about that that rare and unique incident being highlighted. ;0)
Kevin I gotta ask you something, what's with David Brock, Keith and now good old Barney. You trying to tell us something about real men? Come out into the sunlight, it's OK.
Kevin, you are a gay basher. You should leave if you have nothing but bigotry to contribute to this thread. Shame on you. That is a kind suggestion.
Kevin,
You posted on the other thread that you were an Ex-Marine. What do you think of that "real man" Nugent's actions in getting out of the draft? Pretty manly, eh?
I'm a former Marine, not an ex-Marine.
I haven't seen where Nugent ever received a draft induction noitce (Bill Clinton received two such notices and, therefore, is a veritable draft dodger).
Nugent did receive student deferments, but so did Democrat loudmouths such as Sherrod from Ohio.
He claims that 30 days before his draft board physical, he stopped all forms of personal hygiene. The last 10 days, he ingested nothing but Vienna sausages and Pepsi; and a week before his physical, he stopped using bathrooms altogether, virtually living inside pants caked with his own excrement, stained by his urine. That spectacle won Nugent a deferment, he says. "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody." - Detroit Free Press Magazine , July 15, 1990
http://www.nocompromise.org/news/000731c.html
Keep it up, Kevin. You are really making yourself a laughing stock.
Pardon me with the wrong term, but google "Nugent" and "Vietnam" and I think you will find yourself sorely mistaken.
Was that before or after "Don't ask,Don't tell" came into being?
Do you condem all draft dodgers?
The only draft dodgers I condemn are those who have given up their values.
I know many guys who evaded the draft. I can respect anyone who still has the courage of their convictions.
They didn't support the war they thought to be immoral then and they don't support a war they think immoral today.
There are far too many of today's conservatives who avoided their generations war yet today support the war in Iraq.
If you couldn't fight when you were young, you should not be allowed to sell todays war.
I hope that MMFA doesn't delete Kevin1007's comment that "I think real men like Ted Nugent threaten discredited reporter David Brock and the other sissies at Media Matters for al Qaeda."
I want everyone to see how ridiculous he is.
David Brock & Duham Dirtbag...... You they slept together? Ewwwwwwwww
I really enjoyed your post, Norotor.Very avant-garde.
yes, very cryptic. I'll try to understand.
Meanwhile, the screen name he has--is it some Japanese saying, or perhaps a new gadget sold only on tv for 5 easy payments?
I disagree, Mary. In fact, I tend to think his screen name "MORON TO MORON" is the very epitome of his comments.
Ah yes, now it makes sense. And he uses the same slogan as Hannity:
"Just watch me pith on truth all the time"
:)
Hey Neon,
Haven't you noticed the similarities?
Moto.. is none other that our old friend Evil Lib come back from the dead.
I doubt you'd know a real man if you met one.
Some of us sissies here at Media Matters didn't sh_t our pants and wear the feces encrusted trousers for our physical at the draft board.
Must have been Ted's Cat Scratch fever acting up that caused him to behave like that.
Some "sissie" in Michigan was drafted and served in Vietnam because a "real man" like Nugent can talk tough but like a lot of the cons he wouldn't put his ass on the line.
What's up with the right's worship of draft dodgers anyway?
Word up, Kevin. He's a real man. How manly is he? He went to extraordinarily manly lengths to dodge the draft during Vietnam:
You think any of the wusses at MMFA have the cojones to go to those measures to avoid serving the United States at a time of war? No way. And that's because they're sissies. All of them. Pathetic. Too sissy to even pee their own pants to get out of a war.
Nugent peed them here so he wouldn't have to pee them over there?
That's the funniest post I've read in a year. Did you make that up? I'd love to give you credit.
No man owns a concept borne of truth. Such a cognition shall be shared among the world sans attribution for the benefit of all mankind.
Many hippies and artists did at the time. You condem all them?
If they bragged about what they would have done had they gone there, yes. If they advocated violence and war later, yes.
OK, EL, you've got to show us some proof.
I don't know anyone else who piss_d and sh_t themselves to get out of the draft.
Christ I got drunk and tired to break my leg by slamming the car door on it. But to lower myself to soiling myself, no way.
I limped all the way to the draft board the next day and got on that train to basic trainning.
John (aka worrierking),
You are full of crap. You were in high school and college from 1974 to 1983. Did you spend your 16th birthday in 'Nam? It's sick how there are so many people like you who bellow about how they went to Vietnam but are totally, 100% lying. You should really stop.
Oh no, another con with psyhic powers.
I think you're getting your signals crossed.
My oldest kid will be surprised that I fathered him years before I started high school.
No, not psychic. The only other person on the interweb using the handle worrierking is 47 years old. Just admit that you are a liar. Lots of men have lied about serving in the Vietnam War, you're certainly not the first. Just stop doing it now. It's disrespectful to those who did serve. I understand you're lying to prove a point. Saying that you are a Vietnam vet adds more weight to the posts you're making. But, the fact that you're lying about your service makes you shameful and really discounts anything you've ever written. you really should stop lying.
I don't know if I believe this or not. I don't have any reason to distrust Worrierking. But, on the other hand I guess I don't really know anything about him either. Whatever... If he says he was there, then he probably was there.
There is no reason not to believe him. Portnoy does NOT have amazing mind reading powers and I dont even know how he can possibly claim he knows ANY of what he is claiming. Portnoy needs some evidence to call someone with Worrierkings credibility here a liar and I have seen nothing but wishful thinking and delusional attempts at mind reading.
Thanks Solon. I appreciate the support.
Worrier
I'm not buying Portnoy's accusations either. You've been posting on this site since long before I ever stumbled upon it, & I've found you to have been one of the more interesting poster here IMHO. You've spoken rather infrequently about your Nam experiences, but what you have said is completely consistent with what others who served there have said.
If Portnoy wants to present any evidence to back up his accusation... well, let him do so, & I mean like yesterday. Otherwise, he will have revealed himself to be the troll of all trolls. Time for him to put up or shut up.
So there's another Worrierking. Maybe I'm not the only Warren Zevon fan on the internet then. If you use the google, you'll find that he did a song with that name as the title.
I don't have to prove myself to you or anyone else. I've been posting here for several years and think I've built up some credibility with posters from both sides of the political spectrum.
Roland the Headless Thompson Machine Gunner was just to cumbersome I assume
Portnoy64
Where did you come from? Seriously you don't sound like it's all there.
You sound like you're in need of medication. King has been posting here forever and talking about Vietnam and NOW you start screaming about how he's lying.
Sorry but the shame belong to you.
As far as I can tell all you did was google "worrierking" and got this 47 year-old's MySpace since his URL is myspace.com/worrierking.
Congratulations on your brilliant detective work; it must have been real difficult to click on the 3rd whole link from that search.
In fact that same Google search turns up a "worrierking" playing fantasy baseball, that MySpace, MMFA, a conservative poster complaining about Michael Moore's "Sicko" on a blog, a guy posting on Creative Labs' website among several others. So much for the "one person uses that name" argument since there are a minimum of 2: the Worrierking here and a conservative one.
Dear Mescal, Solon, Wagner, Pearlene and Omegahunter,
Thanks for your trust and support. I know it's pretty common for posters to live fictitious online lives, so I sort of understand Portnoy's Complaint (my apologies to Philip Roth.).
I've tried to be as honest and consistent as possible when posting. I respect those with whom I disagree and in return I've been accorded the same respect.
Hopefully, Portnoy will stick around and learn something about civility.
Thanks again to everyone at MMFA
norotornomotor9010: Many hippies and artists did at the time. You condem all them?
Let's be clear, here. Nugent doesn't claim to have soiled himself in the name of non-violence, religion, protest of an unjust war, or any other cause greater than saving his own skin.
I don't condemn the methods he used to avoid the war. I fault him for spinning the story of his draft dodging into some kind of perverse claim about his insane machismo: "... but if I would have gone over there, I'd have been killed, or I'd have killed, or I'd killed all the hippies in the foxholes...I would have killed everybody." (Detroit Free Press Magazine , July 15, 1990)
It's one thing to refuse to serve as an act of political protest. But it is another thing entirely to let someone serve in your place and then beat your chest, wave your guns in the air, and declare your hypothetical killing prowess.
Teddy must realize that his claim of "killing everyone" is too funny. Teddy , sweet Teddy, as a former Grunt, I will gaurantee you that you would not have killed anyone I knew and that you would have come home in a box shortly after you would've made that claim. Don't use your "crap" with America now as you did then.
If they were making the media rounds talking about how wonderful the war was and that it had to be fought then yes I would say they're just as low as any other draft dodging CHICKENHAWK.
"threaten discredited reporter David Brock"
Huh? do you actually know anything about David Brock or did some one feed you your inaccurate information? Just curious.
Kevin, Kevin, Kevin....thank you so much. You actually made me laugh so hard, tears ran down my face.
Being around so many intelligent individuals everyday I forget about the other 25% of you out there. (BTW just a little side note here: My last boyfriend was a Marine named Kevin. He's out now too, although he wants to go back to help out, if he could, current boyfriend won't let him.)
And I think you are so stupid that your posts embarass the rest of the morons who dont want to be associated with your incredible ignorance. I think you are so stupid it amazes me you can feed yourself
"real men like Ted Nugent"
Yeah. Takes a Real Man to call a woman a worthless whore.
I take exception to that first part, the I think part. I dont believe it. You dont have the requisite equipment. Morons like you just spew, no higher brain function that could possibly be mistaken for thinking involved.
If that's "a real man", then I'd rather be a sissie.
And if this is Media Matters for Al Qaeda, why are you associating with us terrorists?
I think the gov. should wire-tap your phone and look at your emails. If you are having conversations with Al Qaeda, our president wants to know all about it.
"Be a real man, join the ar...threaten to shoot a Democrat."
What is especially comical is seeing some posters here defend Nugent. Is there anything some partisans won't defend, so long as the that thing is on your side?
Just guessing, but I'll bet that the knuckledraggers who were sending death threats to the Dixie Chicks cheered when Nugent said this.
By the way....I still love "Stranglehold", even though Nugent is a troglodyte pinhead. Being the pointy-headed liberal that I am, I can separate the art from the artist.
I won't bet you on that because I don't want to lose money. What was on Stranglehold? Just curious, though I probably won't recognize any of the songs.
Stranglehold is a song, one of his best off his self title album
Ditto, Nerzog. The whole thang.
I hope that MMFA doesn't delete Kevin1007's comment that "I think real men like Ted Nugent threaten discredited reporter David Brock and the other sissies at Media Matters for al Qaeda."
I want everyone to see how hateful he really is.
HANNITY: Not at all. We have you on.
I hope Bob Beckel spit in Hannity's face at this point.
I had the re-watch this video again just to see if my eyes were playing tricks on me. I can't believe this is the same Sean Hannity who basically nailed the Dixie Chicks to a cross for the speech they made against Bush, but he says nothing of Nugent spewing such vile hate towards Clinton and Obama? Wow ... just ... wow.
MMFA's clip doesn't show what I found to be the most offensive part of the segment. Newshounds.us has the full video, where Hannity can be heard cackling in the background as Colmes reads the quote about Obama for a second time. He bursts into faux-guffaws as if the idea of Obama sucking on a machine gun is the funniest thing he's ever heard.
Old Kevin, the ex-marine
Is a dogmatic bigot machine
No matter the thread
He just can't wait to spread
His gay bashing message, so obscene
The FORMER marine named Kevin,
Thinks he's got an express ticket to heaven
because his "christian ways"
includes bashing all gays
and cheers for hate talk Nugent delves in
Good doggy!
Sean Hannity and Ted the Nuge
Should get hate mail like a deluge
But alas they will not
Their supporters can't spot
Their hateful, partisan refuge
Snoopy and Juliajayne, BRAVO!!!!
I think Kevin's just a little constipated. I recommend.......
Pearlene. don't leave us hanging. What do you recommend?
Maybe a little bit of this ?
That is so funny!
HBL I knew that you would get my point ;-)
I suggested that Kevin come out into the sunlight. Set himself free. Maybe the graphics will help him on his way.
I can't help but notice the package on Chrissy.
Now I know why all of the candidates vie for his affections.
of course Hannity defends Nugent. they are in the same line of work. they say ANYTHING to make people hate Liberals and Democrats. ANYTHING.
If a lefty has a blog and somebody says somebody should shoot Dick Cheney in the face, this is raised up on the shoulders for all to see as "hate speech" meanwhile Sean and Ted and Ann and Savage and Beck can say ANYTHING. why? because it appears that they are the people who are calling the shots. don't believe me? say you're glad Jerry Falwell's dead and see who gets mad about it. who? why, all the people who can say anything about Libs and Dems. boy, they sure hate all that "hate speech" don't they? lol.
By same line of work, do you mean soiling themselves with their own feces in front of an ever-shrinking audience of delusional freaks willing to smell their offenses and call it spring roses?
Sure, nice work if you can get it. Hard to fit in that little box marked "occupation".
Media Matters' headline reads "Hannity refused to disavow Nugent's slurs against Obama and Clinton" Perhaps this is a small point but I am very mindful of the way language is used. To "disavow" means to "disclaim knowledge of or connection with." Why should Hannity be expected to "disavow" comments made by someone other than himself? Why does MMFA hold an expectation that whenever a conservative idiot like Nugent or Coulter makes an outlandish comment, it is the responsibility of other conservatives to "disavow" those comments, as opposed to say, denouncing them. Hannity SHOULD be expected to denounce those sorts of comments. He should NOT be expected to "disavow" them. Perhaps I am harping on nothing here, but the way words are employed are important, as Media Matters well knows.
verb: refuse to acknowledge; disclaim knowledge of; responsibility for, or association with
The word disavow fits very well.
disavow - fits here, especially since Hannity has had him on the show, acts as if they are friends, etc.
Also it was not MMFA who used the word first ....
"Beckel responded by asking Hannity if he was "prepared to disavow this lowlife,"
Just pointing it out
Perhaps I am harping on nothing here, but the way words are employed are important, as Media Matters well knows.
To continue the "harping", the way words are employed IS important sounds better than your word choice of "are". Whatever. Hannity constantly uses this tired tactic of asking Dems/Libs to denounce or disavow some statement made by another Dem/Lib and if they don't/won't, well then, they must agree with said statement.
Yes I made a mistake. "Is" is correct "are" is not. Thank you--do you expect me to be offended? Why does everyone assume that when one points out a grammatical or symantical mistake it is intended to ridicule? I frequently make such mistakes and take corrections very well, since I love learning. Am I unusual in this respect?
Leave it to Sister Mary Interestingobserver to point out the errors in semantics. What's next, picking apart the grammar?
Because he threw a hissy fit for days about a much less offensive statement by the Dixie Chicks. Calling him on his refusal to distance himself from these comments shows his clear hypocrisy.
As a resident of Michigan I really hope the Repugs decide to run Ted as the next republican candidate for gov.
It would guarantee another 4 years with a Democrat in office.
I know my friends at the Detroit Free Press are tired of his frequent letters to the editor. His homophobic rants, his "I'm a man, really, see my big bow" comments (okay its called over compensation, I mean really)....etc.
Ted Nugent is a washed up hypocrite. Before I discovered music, I actually liked him. Sure, he does play a mean guitar, but he's a fool. He dodged the Vietnam draft by refusing to wash and living in his own excrement for a week, yet he cuts up the 'filthy' hippies who failed to live a nice, clean life like himself. I suppose diminishing returns on his crap records have made him desperate.
Check the link below:
http://campusprogress.org/tools/253/
I wish people had stuck to the subject.
Hannity continues to mis-represent Obama's comments. As well as numerous other slanders.
As per the example in this MM thread it is obvious that Hannity has succeeded in lowering the level of debate across the board.
Apparently you do not take the Cable News Garbage as a serious problem.
But JMH that's the point.
"As per the example in this MM thread it is obvious that Hannity has succeeded in lowering the level of debate across the board."
People like Hannity have helped create this odd alternate universe, a reality that exists only for a small percentage of conservatives in this country. Lies become truth, truth is distorted to fit a certain world view. These shows are really not meant for intelligent, logical people. A lot of my conservative friends can't even watch these shows, without getting headaches.
My husband's brother is a Faux News Disciple. Once while arguing about the tainted coverage on that network I showed him the actual statistics and quotes that they were distorting. He, as a good "culture warrior" just replied, "you know the Wall Street Journal is just a liberal piece of c@*p." (or something like that)
He than launched into a pre-recorded speech about liberal bias in the media and how Faux News is the only network to tell the truth.
Truth should be the bane of these people. It should be enough to prove them wrong. But the mental gymnastics some of these people do is amazing.
And when they can't justify their positions, well than you insert something insane into the conversation to distract. (a little homophobia (ala Kevin) works most of the time)
Well perhaps I am over reacting... if this "odd alternate universe" is truly "a reality that exists only for a _small_ percentage of conservatives". It just seems a dangerous universe, and being that it is so loud and destructive gives it the appearance of having more weight than it really has....?
To digress a bit, I have noticed recently that the other space-man Mr. Limbaagh is adeptly, if not crudely, employing a similar loud tactic: of attacking the opposition's strengths to cover up the weakness in his own position(as evidenced by his recent comments re; Iraq/Darfur).
But in the mean time perhaps benefit of the doubt should be extended to your husband's brother..perhaps he is just a philospher or a dreamer... "He was a dreamer, a thinker, a speculative philosopher...or, as his wife would have it, an idiot" --Douglas Adams ( I forget which book)
or is that tactic: attacking a strength as if it were a weakness...?
Wow, Nugent sounds like Not So Rosy on Steroids. But Shamity? Only a complete South end of a North bound horse would stand behind (or in front, dirtier that way) the filth spewed by Nugent in the video.
ah, nugent. we're both 59. i served my country, did a combat tour, and like hundreds of thousands of Americans, learned a little bit about people like the tedster. no different than bush or tancredo or cheney or any draft dodging loudmouth. no stomach for a brawl involving themselves, but more than willing to cheerlead 18 year old kids going to a war of choice when they're too old to participate. nugent's a coward. he was a coward at 18 and he remains one to this day. hannity's a pimp. which is worse?
To be fair, Letke, Hannity studiously avoided military service at the time of the Gulf War, all the while cheer leading for it, so that would make him a coward AND a pimp.
I'd call it a draw.
thanks MESCAL. I believe he also delivered some "pep rallies" to troops deploying during Iraqi Freedom's initial phase. I concur. coward and pimp. but i guess just about everybody at fox noise fits the profile.
Nugent is for the GOP, so what do you think he'll say about a woman and a black man? He's opinion really doesn't even matter, and definitely isn't news worthy!
Media hack Sean is an embarrassment to Fox News Channel and to News Corp. Yes, he is very good friends with this draft-dodging, lowlife hypocrite and his wife.
Now he defends this lowlife's sick remarks! But I'm not surprised, Sean is not the brightest star in the universe. In real life, this low class media hack is a pain in the $%@, forgetful, paranoid, very defensive, and always repeats himself. He's a complete idiot in person.
We demand that Bossman Murdoch fires this media laughing stock by not renewing his contract with Fox News Channel, and PLEASE ouster Bill Shine and Roger Ailes, too.
We strongly encourage advertisers and the public to boycott Sean's (his personal appearances, Freedom Concerts, etc.) if he is not willing to denounce lowlife Nugent's remarks.
Does Sean Hannity brag about Nugent to his kids? Is this the type of role model he wants for his kids? What happened to 'family values" in the Hannity household? Or are these the values which the rightwingers have really been teaching their children?? Basically, Hannity is telling his sheep that we can say whatever we want while those Liberals or anyone else better say the same thing or go get 'em.
Mr. Hannity, your status as a Grating American has reached new heights but I am sure that you have not attained your highest level in the-------- RUSH to be RUSH contest held every year. Sean, you are no longer a Great American.
It's not hate speech, but rather a direct threat (while brandishing firearms) against 4 sitting US Senators. This turd should be investigated by the Secret Service for this little rant.
Anyone who defends this ape with the mini-me probiscis is a base and plebian idiot. We are talking about a guy who dodged the draft during Vietnam by literally sh**ting his pants and not bathing. He is a coward and a chickenhawk.
And his music sucks.
Oo-rah. How do you fit such ugly opinions and such horrible music in one relatively small body?
I admit, I'm not familiar with Ted's music, I only know of him from his hunting articles. He is a scum bag and why anyone would want him to run for anything is beyond me. I'm as Conservative as they come, but this guy does not not represent anything I would want to be associated with. He is a disgusting human being, and the way he avoided the draft was pretty "tough" on his part.
Nugent should be reported to the Secret Service ... here's the link: [link to www.secretservice.gov]
The statement by Natalie Mains, "I'm ashamed to be from Texas," was made off handedly at a concert and was picked up and ruthlessly used against the chicks. This is in no way comparable to Ted's "suck my machine gun" comment. We should have a Nuge record burning party while playing "not ready to make nice." But he's so gay he'd probably cry.
we already know that hannity is the great american clown . but where is oreilly on this. the next day on fox and friends greg kelly said he did not know what was said . thats a joke.these people need to be called on this and the repub presidential candiddate need to be aske d if they aggree.
WHEN HANNITY SAID HE WOULD NOT DISAVOW BEACUSE HE IS HIS FRIEND HE LOST ALLLLLLLLL CREDIBILITY TO CRITIZE ANYONE ELSE AND SHOULD BE CALLED ON IT EVERYDAY BY EVERYONE WHO APPERS ON THE SHOW. BUT IT WONT HAPPEND. I AM WAITING ON ORIELLEY TO SEE IF HE HAS A COMMENT. PROBABLEY NOT. HE IS ONLY INTERESTED IN STORIES THAT HAVE SEXUAL CONTENT.
Hannity has done a fine job at overtaking O'Reilly as the biggest blowhard on Fox. IMHO of course.
Ted Nugent is a supreme egomaniac that enjoys hearing his own self-righteous voice. His music and guitar playing haven't been relevant since 1978 nor should his wacky opinions. I find it amusing that Mr. Family man has had a ton of extramarital affairs and dodged the draft. Typical it seems. Let's face it...Ted Nugent is merely Ann Coulter with a much smaller penis.
I first saw this clip on Crooks & Liars last week. It so upset me that I called the local Secret Service office here in New Jersey and was told it was free speech but that my concern would be passed on because that office did not deal with threats made against sitting members of Congress. If your a Democrat anything you say is treason, if a republican says anything, no metter how liabelous, untrue, it is just free speech, and if you don't like that free speech here, go back to Russia or Cuba where they have the free speech you seem to like.
Hannity and Faux are such hypocrites! How anyone could defend these comments is beyond reason,and what does that say about their slogan of being "Fair and balanced"! Hannity and is ilk resort to name calling,sloganering,racist code words,stereotypes in place of reasoned arguments. They distort and play on peoples frustrations about real issues to push agendas that only inflame and work contrary to the public good. Hannity's conflating Obamas comment with Nugents is the ultimate sophistry and reminds me of the saying,"7 fools can ask more questions than 7,000 wise men can answer!" The real crime here is that these guys have an outlet to spew their filth!
There is a recent posting on the nets called: An Open Letter to Sean Hannity by William R. Tonso I know nothing about the author and the blog site. I suspect...well let's not get into it.
I have not had time to read the whole letter. However, I have read enough to validate my belief that if Mr. Hannity were a real "man" he would take a sabbatical, quit his broadcasting career while he is at "the top", so to speak, go study Politics and Foreign Policy for a couple of years and then rejoin the real universe. I believe there is redemption for anyone who makes a good faith effort.
disavow |ˌdisəˈvou| verb [ trans. ] deny any responsibility or support for : does her apology mean she disavows her communist sympathies?
DERIVATIVES disavowal |-ˈvouəl| noun ORIGIN late Middle English : from Old French desavouer.
Thesaurus disavow verb - the chairman disavowed the press release - see deny, disclaim, disown, wash one's hands of, repudiate, reject, renounce.
That is what disavow means. That is what he sould do. He will not because he agree with him. If you are a "conservative" you can do no wrong. If you are a"progressive/Liberal" you can do no rights.