Wash. Times' Curl falsely claimed that Obama and Clinton "declared surge to be 'working' "
In an August 27 article, Washington Times reporter Joseph Curl falsely asserted that Sens. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) "declared the surge to be 'working' and backed away from calls for immediate withdrawal" from Iraq. In fact, neither senator asserted that President Bush's troop increase in Iraq is "working," and both have sponsored legislation that would require a gradual -- not immediate -- withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.
This is the second article by Curl in the past week in which he has stated that Clinton declared Bush's troop increase to be "working." In an August 23 Washington Times article, he asserted that Clinton "told the VFW [Veterans of Foreign Wars] conference on Monday that the surge is clearly 'working,' " as Media Matters for America noted. In fact, Clinton said in her August 20 speech to the VFW that changed tactics in Iraq are "working" -- not President Bush's troop "surge" policy. Indeed, an August 21 New York Times article on Clinton's VFW speech quoted her as saying, "We've begun to change tactics in Iraq, and in some areas, particularly in Al Anbar province, it's working. ... We're just years too late changing our tactics. We can't ever let that happen again." The Times also reported that "[a]ides to Mrs. Clinton said her remarks that military tactics in Iraq are 'working' referred specifically to reports of increased cooperation from Sunnis leading to greater success against insurgents in Al Anbar Province." And according to an April 29 Times article, the progress in Al Anbar "began last September" -- months before Bush announced his plan to increase the number of troops in Iraq. Indeed, as Media Matters repeatedly noted, Clinton similarly suggested months ago that the U.S. forces are achieving progress in Iraq due to better relations between tribal leaders and American military forces.
Neither has Obama "declared the surge to be 'working,' " as Curl asserted in the August 27 article. Rather, Obama said in his August 21 speech to the VFW that "there is no military solution in Iraq" and "[n]o military surge can succeed without political reconciliation and a surge of diplomacy in Iraq and the region," as Media Matters noted. From the speech:
OBAMA: All of our top military commanders recognize that there is no military solution in Iraq. And no matter how brilliantly and bravely our troops and their commanders perform, they cannot and should not bear the responsibility of resolving grievances at the heart of Iraq's civil war. No military surge can succeed without political reconciliation and a surge of diplomacy in Iraq and the region. Iraq's leaders are not reconciling. They are not achieving political benchmarks. The only thing they seem to have agreed on is to take a vacation. That is why I have pushed for a careful and responsible redeployment of troops engaged in combat operations out of Iraq, joined with direct and sustained diplomacy in the region. And that is why I will continue to push the President to change our policy.
In an August 21 conference call with reporters, Obama similarly stated that whether the troop increase results in short-term security improvements "doesn't change the underlying assessment, which is that there is not a military solution to the political dynamic in Iraq." The New York Observer's blog The Politicker reported Obama's statement in an August 21 post:
"My assessment is that if we put an addition [sic] 30,000 of our outstanding troops in Baghdad it is going to quell some of the violence short term, I don't think there has even been any doubt about that," said Obama, adding "It doesn't change the underlying assessment which is that there is not a military solution to the political dynamic in Iraq."
Moreover, contrary to Curl's suggestion that Clinton and Obama have previously "call[ed] for immediate withdrawal," both senators have advocated a gradual redeployment of troops from Iraq both in the Senate and in public appearances. Indeed, in January, Obama introduced legislation that would require the redeployment of U.S. troops in Iraq to begin "not later than May 1, 2007." The bill stated that the redeployment "shall occur in a gradual manner and shall be executed at a pace to achieve the goal of the complete redeployment of all United States combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008, consistent with the expectation of the Iraq Study Group." According to Obama's bill, redeployment of U.S. forces is "subject to the exceptions for retention of forces for force protection, counter-terrorism operations, training of Iraqi forces, and other purposes."
In addition, Clinton introduced legislation in February that would also call for a gradual redeployment of U.S. troops from Iraq. Her bill would cap the number of troops in Iraq at January 2007 levels and provide for de-authorizing the war unless the president certifies that "a phased redeployment of United States military forces from Iraq has begun ... including the transition of United States forces in Iraq to the limited presence and mission of -- (A) training Iraqi security forces; (B) providing logistic support of Iraqi security forces; (C) protecting United States personnel and infrastructure; and (D) participating in targeted counter-terrorism activities."
Furthermore, on May 16, both Clinton and Obama voted to invoke cloture on a bill proposed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) that would have required the Bush administration to begin withdrawing troops within 120 days of the bill's passage and would have prohibited the use of funds to continue the deployment of U.S. troops in Iraq after March 31, 2008, except for those deployed for the following "limited purposes":
(1) To conduct targeted operations, limited in duration and scope, against members of al Qaeda and other international terrorist organizations.
(2) To provide security for United States infrastructure and personnel.
(3) To train and equip Iraqi security services.
On July 18, Clinton and Obama also voted in support of an amendment proposed by Democratic Sens. Carl Levin (MI) and Jack Reed (RI) that called for a "reduction" of U.S. forces in Iraq to begin within 120 days and also stipulated that the United States maintain a "limited presence" of troops there to protect U.S. and coalition infrastructure, train Iraqi security forces, and conduct counterterrorism operations.















scroll down to myth 4. the white house in july of this year. they call it a myth that we are in for an indefinite stay in iraq. it's only going to be "temporary surge". they changed their mind?
http://www.indymedia.org/or/2007/07/889165.shtml
sorry, this one maybe?
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070710-3.html
I'm disappointed in the low number of articles posted by MMFA today.
i'm sure we all wish we had your rich full life.
Maybe they're resting up for the deluge of misinformation you KNOW is coming tomorrow regarding Gonzales' resignation.
Let's all watch closely. Our "liberal media" at work...
WHO MADE THIS STATEMENT?
"Senator Hillary Clinton's view that the president's Iraq policy is 'working' is another instance of a Washington politician trying to have it both ways. You cannot be for the President's strategy in Iraq but against the war. The American people deserve straight talk and real answers on Iraq, not double-speak, triangulation, or political positioning...
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the worst thing about the HRC campaign is its utter sleaziness. HRC makes vague statements about how a "tactic" is working in Iraq - which can only be a reference to the surge - but then she can backpeddle and deny her own words. She talks about getting troops out of Iraq - but leaves enough room to allow her to keep as many troops in Iraq as she wants.
The left is totally getting suckered in by the sleazy Clintons - and the left seems to like it and keeps on begging for more.
The only reason why I would want to see Clinton elected is to watch conservatives like yourself go insane (if you're not already there).
could you provide the complete quote where she said the president's iraq policy is working. not some paraphrase, but the complete quote.
I was quoting from the official John Edwards campaign site - Are you suggesting that Edwards cannot be trusted?
i was pretty sure what you provided was from a democrat. i don't agree with what he said. and i asked you to provide the complete quote from hillary where she said bush's "iraq policy" is working, because you are attacking her based on that. i myself have said that certain areas are calmer, but that is because of more u.s. troops there in those areas. that doesn't mean i think bush's "iraq policy" is working, because he thinks we should stay in iraq.
johnrtorres638 has a point.Edwards seems to be using the same interpretation of Hillary's statement as the press is. Of Course, he's competing against her for the nomination, and the press is supposedly reporting and analyzing objectively.
You arent very bright are you. I dont know a single one of my liberal friends who likes Hillary much less is being suckered by her. Then again it sounded good when Rush said it right? The projection from the rightwing is an astonishing display of self delusion. Suckered over and over by the Rushs, Bushs, Hannitys and Weinerdogs of this world they accuse the left of being like them.
But Solon you can't argue with johnrtorres638's logic.
(He's got numbers after his name!)
Are we getting more of these posters again?
You can only be right if you add numbers too, I suggest: Solon142, Solon539 or as many con's already see you.....Solon666
the worst thing about the HRC campaign is its utter sleaziness. HRC makes vague statements about how a "tactic" is working in Iraq - which can only be a reference to the surge -
How do you figure that? When in doubt always look to the actual words being used. I take it to mean a change of tactics would have been helpful earlier. There is _NO_ indication in her words that an increase in troop numbers was responsible. She claims it was change in tactics, not numbers.
JOHN:
Is your "confusion" REAL, or just convenient?
Here's what the Bush Administration told us about "the SURGE". It was meant to focus on eliminating violence IN BAGHDAD, to give "breathing space" to the Iraqi legislature so that they could then get some WORK done on those 18 "benchmarks" Bush says will show "real progress" in Iraq.
On a COMPLETELY SEPARATE issue, our soldiers routinely perform outstanding service in tasks they undertake, IN ALL AREAS OF IRAQ. If they are assigned a particular province or city to "pacify", they do so. They perform honorably, but their civilian leadership (the Bush Administration) has no understanding of the bigger picture. For example, while a particular city can be concentrated upon and "pacified", violence elsewhere simply escallates, so there is no OVERALL curtailing of violence. Also, once the troops LEAVE the pacified areas, the violence resumes as before; it's only a temporary effect.
Hillary praises the troops for their accomplishments, which is fine. Hillary also notes that "the SURGE" is NOT gaining the goals that were promised by the White House. There is NO contradiction. The TROOPS continue to succeed in their assigned missions, while BUSH continues to FAIL in his "vision" of how this war is supposed to be unfolding.
The troops perform honorably, Bush lies and fails and is stubborn and continues to waste our assets and resources on unattainable "goals" that he insists be met ... goals which cannot be achieved by military means. Yet he keeps sending our troops into harm's way.
You seem intent, JOHN, on identifying politicians who are trying to "FOOL" you. Unfortunately, you focus on Hillary and have to INVENT contradictions that don't exist, when all you have to do is look at BUSH to find the REAL deceptions, incompetence, and failed leadership.
Why does anyone trust ANYTHING that appears in the Moonie Times? They've been proven time and time again to be an inaccurate, worthless, right-wing rag.
More lies from Bush propaganda machine.
It's pretty obvious what they're doing here. The NeoClowns know that Operation Iraqi Liberation (OIL) is FUBAR, so they're creating a CYA strategy for the impending withdrawal. Once we're out, they'll retreat to Bush's lame Vietnam comparison and say "See! Hillary and Obama admitted that the surge was working, but the evil cut and run Democrats made us pull out anyway! It's ALL THEIR FAULT!"
I see it coming, and I have no special powers.