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Time's Ana Marie Cox compared Congress' questioning of Gonzales to "legislative waterboarding"

August 28, 2007 1:57 pm ET

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On the August 27 edition of MSNBC Live, Time magazine's Ana Marie Cox described Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales' questioning "the last time he went in front of Congress" as "legislative waterboarding."

Anchor Contessa Brewer asked for her reaction to Gonzales' resignation, to which Cox responded:

COX: Well, it's tempting to go with what John Edwards said, which is, "Better late than never." I think a lot of people in Washington, no matter what political affiliation they had, had been sort of watching this and shuddering for the guy. I mean, the last time he went in front of Congress, I felt sorry for him. It was like -- it was legislative waterboarding. You know, they just kept going after him and kept going after him.

As Media Matters for America has previously documented, an ABC News report on the history of the technique described "waterboarding" as an interrogation method whereby:

The prisoner is bound to an inclined board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped over the prisoner's face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the treatment to a halt.

On July 20, President Bush signed an executive order outlawing "murder, torture, cruel or inhuman treatment, mutilation or maiming, intentionally causing serious bodily injury, rape, sexual assault or abuse, taking of hostages, or performing of biological experiments" on detainees. The CIA is required to comply with these standards. However, as the BBC reported, "The American authorities have never confirmed they use the [waterboarding] technique and it is unclear whether the guidelines allow it."

Prior to the 2007 executive order, the Pentagon released a new version of the Army Field Manual that banned waterboarding as an impermissible interrogation technique. However, the CIA is not bound by the Army's guidelines. As a September 7 article in The New York Times stated:

At the same time, the Pentagon released a new Army Field Manual that lays out permissible interrogation techniques and specifically bans eight methods that have come up in abuse cases. Among the techniques banned is water-boarding, in which a wet rag is forced down a bound prisoner's throat to cause gagging; intelligence officials have said Mr. [Khalid Shaikh] Mohammed was subjected to that treatment while in C.I.A. custody."

From the August 27 edition of MSNBC Live:

BREWER: We've been following breaking news this morning. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales reportedly has submitted his resignation, and President Bush reportedly reluctantly accepted that resignation. We're expecting an announcement an hour from now out of Texas from the attorney general about him stepping down. Of course, this follows a firestorm of controversy that the attorney general created when nine U.S. attorneys were fired from their jobs. And when the attorney general was called to testify on Capitol Hill, he testified over and over again that he couldn't recall some of the key conversations, or documents, decisions that led to those firings. With me now to discuss the attorney general's resignation, Time magazine's Ana Marie Cox. Hi, Ana Marie.

COX: Good morning.

BREWER: What's your reaction?

COX: Well, it's tempting to go with what John Edwards said, which is, "Better late than never." I think a lot of people in Washington, no matter what political affiliation they had, had been sort of watching this and shuddering for the guy. I mean, the last time he went in front of Congress, I felt sorry for him. It was like -- it was legislative waterboarding. You know, they just kept going after him and kept going after him, and there's also a chance, you know, really for the administration to rebuild some bridges to Congress, with this next appointment, depending on who they take.

BREWER: It does seem like here was a guy who could not catch a break. But on the other hand, when you're talking about his involvement in so many controversial decisions, not just the U.S. attorneys who were fired from their jobs reportedly for political reasons, but, detainees --

COX: Detainees, wiretapping, I mean really the list goes on. It's hard to even come up with all of them. Like I said, I think this is -- one way to look at it is that this administration has been having so much trouble, you know, making any headway at all with the new Democratic Congress. Perhaps this is their opening.

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    • Author by nerzog (August 28, 2007 1:58 pm ET)
         

      But, he never admitted anything...I guess torture doesn't work, after all.

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    • Author by JLyons (August 28, 2007 2:08 pm ET)
         

      I do not get the point of this? Because she compared how he was treated to "Waterboarding" that is wrong? What if she just said it was like torture? This seems nitpicking.

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      • Author by juliajayne (August 28, 2007 2:15 pm ET)
           

        He, he, the fact that Gonzales wrote or helped write the torture memos makes it pretty rich if nothing else. Ooooh, I feel so sorry for Fredo.

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        • Author by Lynn (August 28, 2007 2:36 pm ET)
             

          I was thinking the same thing. Why would Gonzales be upstet he certainly approves of waterboarding.

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      • Author by nerzog (August 28, 2007 2:21 pm ET)
           

        I think the problem is the portrayal of Gonzo as a victim in the hands of the Grand Inquisitors.

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        • Author by greekfurnace (August 28, 2007 2:49 pm ET)
             

          'Zactly... give me a break. 

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        • Author by open_mind (August 28, 2007 3:54 pm ET)
             

          I agree.  It was not as if Congress was just making stuff up in order to victimize Gonzo.  Gonzo is the victim of his own tragic flaws.  It would be nice if he or the president could step up and admit that.

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      • Author by jeter2 (August 28, 2007 2:27 pm ET)
           

        Yes JLyon, she probably should have just said "torture" because MMFA seems to be objecting to the use of the term "waterboarding" on the grounds that they obviously think Americans are so incredibly stupid they might think that Congress actually bound Gonzo to an inclined board, with his feet raised and his head slightly below his feet, wrapped him in Cellophane and poured water over him.

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        • Author by juliajayne (August 28, 2007 2:37 pm ET)
             

          J2, that sounds so sexy. Can I waterboard ya for a spell?  ;-)

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          • Author by jeter2 (August 28, 2007 2:57 pm ET)
               

            Um Julia, maybe we better go get a room before everyone here tells us to go get a room ;-)

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            • Author by juliajayne (August 28, 2007 3:20 pm ET)
                 

              They might offer to hose us down like before. You'd like that even better since you're into the water and such (ala Fredo).  :-)

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        • Author by greekfurnace (August 28, 2007 2:47 pm ET)
             

          Come on. What's the objection? It's absurd that they would pull this 'poor-Gonzales' switcheroo... The guy's a creep and a crook.

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          • Author by jeter2 (August 28, 2007 2:56 pm ET)
               

            Greek, I don't think Gonzo deserves an ounce of sympathy, BUT I found it amusing that MMFA actually left the definition of waterboarding here like they felt a disclaimer was needed for a metaphor used by a journalist. I mean, come on that's funny.

            Obviously Gonzo wasn't tortured, by waterboarding or any other method.

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            • Author by greekfurnace (August 28, 2007 3:05 pm ET)
                 

              Well... I guess that's MMFA's way of appearing official? I don't know... you're right. Kinda goofy.

              But, the use of 'waterboarding' by this cheesy woman above... that's absurd. Far more, than MMFA giving the 'official' definition of waterboarding IMO. Jylons is deflecting. But, that's okay.

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            • Author by solon (August 28, 2007 3:18 pm ET)
                 

              Don't you think that comparing Congress doing its constitutionally mandated duty of oversight and investigation, in other words DOING ITS JOB, to torture is furthering a conservative framed storyline therefore EXACTLY what MMFA set out to do from the begining?

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              • Author by jeter2 (August 28, 2007 3:24 pm ET)
                   

                Did I say it wasn't?

                I wrote:

                Obviously Gonzo wasn't tortured, by waterboarding or any other method.

                I just found it amusing that MMFA included a definition of waterboarding.

                I don't believe I said or implied that this item didn't belong here.

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                • Author by solon (August 28, 2007 3:52 pm ET)
                     

                  OK that was my mistake then. You seemed to be agreeing with Jlyons who asked directly what the point was. That just seemed a good place to make the point.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 28, 2007 2:21 pm ET)
         

      Uh oh, the Thought Police are watching.

       So a reporter who was not supporting the ex-Atty Gen. used a metaphor for the well-deserved grilling of Alber-toh. I fail to see why it was "conservatively" misleading or innappropriate.

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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 28, 2007 2:32 pm ET)
           

        Dex -

         It's not that she used a metaphor, it's the irony (and borderline disgust) of her choice of metaphor.

        It would be like watching the (hypothetical) Michael Vick trial, and using the metaphor "the jury mauled him like dogs"

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        • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 28, 2007 2:38 pm ET)
             

          I don't really find even your example notably distasteful or conservative. Maybe this is one of MMfA's "FYI" posts and I just misunderstood it.

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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 28, 2007 2:57 pm ET)
               

            OK Dex - maybe you just don't have a heart?

             The 'waterboarding' of Gonzales is distasteful because there were probably some innocent people subject to waterboarding due to Gonzales' disdain for the constitution.  The fact that a journalist is trying to 'frame' the Gonzales investigation to paint him as a victim, when in fact he was the perpetrator, is the conservative bias.  I'm not sure if I can make that any more clear.

             

            You should also be disgusted by the Vick example, but apparently it didn't faze you.  The man is not a victim, he caused pain, suffering, and death to hundreds of innocent dogs.

             It's disgusting when we take the villains in our society and make them out to be victims.  Cox's comments clearly further a conservative agenda - that Gonzales didn't do anything wrong and that his questioning is somehow the moral equivalent of torture.

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            • Author by juliajayne (August 28, 2007 3:05 pm ET)
                 

              Micsha, some very good posts. Thanks.

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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (August 28, 2007 3:13 pm ET)
                 

              I think dogfighting and sponsoring it is despicable, but I suppose I have thick skin when it comes to words.

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        • Author by nerzog (August 28, 2007 2:39 pm ET)
             

          Well, believe it or not, I heard one talking head, when discussing the Michael Vick story, say, "I don't have a dog in this fight".

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      • Author by solon (August 28, 2007 3:20 pm ET)
           

        Then you must be trying HARD not to see. Congress was DOING ITS JOB grilling Gonzo. To liken that to torture is obviously furthering a conservatively framed storyline that is clearly con misinformation. As if doing its job is somehow the same as torture.

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    • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (August 28, 2007 2:23 pm ET)
         

      If Gonzales was subject to legislative 'waterboarding' does that mean he is an enemy combatant?

       Also, if legislative 'waterboarding' means being asked tough questions in front of a panel, then I strongly support legislative waterboarding for anyone suspected of cheating the American people!

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    • Author by juliajayne (August 28, 2007 2:30 pm ET)
         

      Fredo said without any restraint

      The Geneva Conventions are quaint

      Torture is now so good

      With electrodes and hoods

      Waterboarding should get no complaint

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    • Author by wzwriter (August 28, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
         

      Ana Marie Cox may have a point there - forcing a Republican to tell the truth IS torture.

      :-)

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    • Author by greekfurnace (August 28, 2007 2:43 pm ET)
         

      Isn't that cute! See how clever they are... Gonzales couldn't catch a break? Unbelievable how deluded these liars are.

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    • Author by Mike Mid-City (August 28, 2007 2:45 pm ET)
         

      Who owns Time?

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    • Author by fleetw1978 (August 28, 2007 2:57 pm ET)
         

      How about if Fredo just told the truth?   Then he wouldn't have had to be "grilled" about all the crap he was involved in.   Funny to see the "faux conservatives" make him out to be the victim but look beyond the crap he pulled.  I always thought conservatives were "law and order" types,  "rule of law" types, "less government"  types.  Barry Goldwater must be spinning in his grave.  "Conservatives" nowadays are more like Larry Craig, Mark FOley, delay, Gingrich, the rest.   They spew thier positions like they have GOD on thier shoulder,  but when the cameras are off,  they are homosexual, womanizing, greedy, pathetic liars.   It's not even hypocrisy at this point,  it's out and out lying.  So Bill Clinton lies about his sex life and he gets brought up on Impeachment,  these Republicans lie about war and peace,  politics over safety and respect for the law, and they get the freakin medal of freedom and a "defense fund" set up for them by thier cronies.  Is there no shame in the GOP ??????

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