Re-airing Abrams/Carlson segment, MSNBC left out part where Carlson admitted assault
On August 29, MSNBC twice re-aired a segment from the August 28 edition of Live with Dan Abrams, in which MSNBC host Tucker Carlson asserted, "Having sex in a public men's room is outrageous. It's also really common. I've been bothered in men's rooms." Carlson continued, "I got bothered in Georgetown Park," in Washington, D.C., "when I was in high school." As Media Matters for America noted, when Abrams asked how Carlson responded to being "bothered," Carlson said: "I went back with someone I knew and grabbed the guy by the -- you know, and grabbed him, and ... hit him against the stall with his head, actually." However, while both August 29 re-airings did include Carlson's claim that he had been "bothered in men's rooms," neither broadcast aired the portion in which Carlson claimed that he "went back with someone" and "hit him against the stall with his head." Both re-airings did include a portion of the segment in which Carlson asserted, "I'm not anti-gay in the slightest."
During the 9 a.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live, anchor Amy Robach introduced the Abrams/Carlson clip -- which did not include Carlson's claim to have assaulted the person who "bothered" him -- as follows: "Prominent Republicans have been quick to distance themselves from Idaho Senator Larry Craig following his arrest for lewd behavior in a men's bathroom. ... More than ever, the party of traditional values has to worry about hypocrisy. Dan Abrams talked about it with Tucker Carlson and [MSNBC's Morning Joe host] Joe Scarborough last night on MSNBC." After the clip ended, Robach plugged Abrams' show: "Well, you can catch Live with Dan Abrams weeknights at 9 p.m. Eastern here on MSNBC."
During the subsequent re-airing of the clip on MSNBC Live, anchor Monica Novotny introduced the video clip by asserting, "Craig's denials are drawing some comparisons to another famous D.C. sex scandal -- the Clinton-Lewinsky affair. Senator Craig had quite a bit to say about that back in the '90s." Novotny added, "Just a word of warning here, you may find out a little more about Tucker, well, than you ever wanted to know," apparently referring to Carlson's assertion that he'd "been bothered in men's rooms." However, despite that reference, the 4-minute and 35-second clip Novotny aired ended before Carlson claimed to have assaulted the person who "bothered" him. Novotny also ended the segment by plugging Abrams' show, asserting, "And you can catch Dan tonight at 9 on Live with Dan Abrams right here on MSNBC."
As Media Matters noted, Carlson issued the following statement through an MSNBC spokeswoman:
Let me be clear about an incident I referred to on MSNBC last night: In the mid-1980s, while I was a high school student, a man physically grabbed me in a men's room in Washington, DC. I yelled, pulled away from him and ran out of the room. Twenty-five minutes later, a friend of mine and I returned to the men's room. The man was still there, presumably waiting to do to someone else what he had done to me. My friend and I seized the man and held him until a security guard arrived.
Several bloggers have characterized this is a sort of gay bashing. That's absurd, and an insult to anybody who has fought back against an unsolicited sexual attack. I wasn't angry with the man because he was gay. I was angry because he assaulted me.
From the 9 a.m. ET hour of the August 29 edition of MSNBC Live:
ROBACH: Prominent Republicans have been quick to distance themselves from Idaho Senator Larry Craig following his arrest for lewd behavior in a men's bathroom. Craig denies he did anything wrong and says he is quote, "not gay." But still GOP officials are assessing the damage this has done to their party's image. More than ever, the party of traditional values has to worry about hypocrisy. Dan Abrams talked about it with Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough last night on MSNBC.
[begin video clip]
ABRAMS: I want to play this piece of sound from Larry Craig on Meet the Press, back in 1999, talking about Bill Clinton.
CRAIG [video clip]: I will tell you that the Senate certainly can bring about a censure resolution, and it's a slap on the wrist. It's a "bad boy Bill Clinton, you're a naughty boy." The American people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy, a naughty boy. I'm going to speak out for the citizens in my state, who, in the majority, think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.
[laughter]
ABRAMS: I can't listen to that enough!
CARLSON: It's too good.
ABRAMS: I could listen to that again --
CARLSON: It's too good.
ABRAMS: -- and again and again and again!
[laughter]
ABRAMS: Joe Scarborough, I guess the question, though, is -- on a somewhat serious note -- is you have, you know, you have him out there in 1999, preaching about Bill Clinton being a naughty boy, and you've got these other scandals, it seems, as of late. You got [Rep. David] Vitter [R-LA]; you got [former Rep. Mark] Foley [R-FL] -- and there's a lot of talk about hypocrisy, about the fact that you've got these pro-family value Republicans being accused or pleading guilty or whatever to things that pro-family people might not do.
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, but, you know, the thing is, looking at that Meet the Press clip -- I mean, when I first saw it, I looked at it one way; but you look at it today, and it seems that he may have actually been stimulated by the fact that Bill Clinton was a dirty --
[laughter]
SCARBOROUGH: -- dirty -- I think he said, "nasty, naughty boy." It really is just such a joke. Here, you've got Larry Craig, who's going out and possibly soliciting gay sex in the Minneapolis airport, and then you have David Vitter, who's admitted going after prostitutes in Washington, D.C. -- before that, of course, Mark Foley going after male House pages.
ABRAMS: These are your peeps, Joe!
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, and also [former Rep.] Duke Cunningham [R-CA] -- another peep of mine -- who actually would go to poker matches and apparently take part in this trading of sex for votes.
And Tucker and I both want to know what kind of job you have to have in Washington, D.C., to have that type of power to be able to trade a vote for sex.
And you know what? It is -- of course, the media is going to be critical and the Democrats are going to be critical. The biggest problem here is that you're going to depress turnout among your conservatives, members of the evangelical base, who feel like saying, "You know what? Enough already. I don't believe you guys anymore. I have no reason to stand in line and vote for you."
ABRAMS: But, Tucker, your position has long been on these kinds of stories that their personal lives are not our business. Does this case qualify for that, in your mind, as well?
CARLSON: Let me be clear, Dan. I am not gay. I have never been gay. I overreacted and made a poor decision.
SCARBOROUGH: And you love your -- you love your wife, Tucker. Let me just say for the record, I am not gay, either.
CARLSON: I mean, let me -- let me put it this way. Whether he's gay or not actually is not our business, and I do think it's indefensible that the newspaper in Idaho spent a year interviewing 300 people to answer the question: Is he gay? That's none of your business. Having sex in a public men's room is outrageous. It's also really common. I've been bothered in men's rooms. I think people who do --
SCARBOROUGH: Really? Have you, really?
CARLSON: Yeah, I think -- and, you know what?.
SCARBOROUGH: Hey, Dan?
CARLSON: Let me just say.
SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second.
ABRAMS: Wait. Wait.
CARLSON: Yeah, I have.
SCARBOROUGH: Dan? Hold on.
CARLSON: And I -- and let me just say. I think they should knock it --
SCARBOROUGH: Dan, I don't mean to take over, but have you been bothered in public restrooms, Dan?
CARLSON: Yeah.
SCARBOROUGH: Because I know I haven't.
CARLSON: I have. I got bothered in Georgetown Park when I was in high school.
ABRAMS: Really?
CARLSON: Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: Wow.
CARLSON: And let me just say, I think -- they --
SCARBOROUGH: That's something.
CARLSON: -- people should knock that off. I'm not anti-gay in the slightest, but that's really common, and the gay rights groups ought to disavow that kind of crap because, you know, that actually does bother people who didn't ask for being bothered. So, yeah, I think it's outrageous that he did that, and also this specter of him getting up there and blaming other people is so Clintonian. You know, if he just said, "I'm not going to talk about it," that'd be one thing --
ABRAMS: And this notion --
CARLSON: -- but he's clearly crazy.
ABRAMS: -- and this notion that he pled guilty, and yet he's saying, "Oh, you know what? I never should have done that."
SCARBOROUGH: It was the newspaper's fault.
CARLSON: Well, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
ABRAMS: Well it's the newspaper -- it's everyone's fault except his own. I mean, I've never heard of -- I mean, you're a U.S. senator, and you're thinking you're going to make it go away --
SCARBOROUGH: But, hold on a second, though, Dan --
ABRAMS: -- by pleading guilty after you're busted in a public bathroom?
SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second. You have Bill Clinton, who actually went out and did the same exact thing. He showed defiance. He said, "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky," and he continued that line not only for months in the press, but then he went before a grand jury and said the same thing, and it -- you know what? Here's the thing. It worked for Bill Clinton. His wife went on TV and she blamed, remember, the vast right-wing conspiracy that's been trying to take down her husband.
I don't dredge this up to knock the Clintons. That is history, and it's a -- ugh -- it is a nasty part of our history, and I'm glad it's behind us. I just bring it up to say, you know what? Deny, deny, deny seems to work.
[end video clip]
ROBACH: Well, you can catch Live with Dan Abrams weeknights at 9 p.m. Eastern here on MSNBC.
From the 11 a.m. ET hour of the August 29 edition of MSNBC Live:
NOVOTNY: But Craig's denials are drawing some comparisons to another famous D.C. sex scandal -- the Clinton-Lewinsky affair. Senator Craig had quite a bit to say about that back in the '90s. And last night, on Live with Dan Abrams, Dan, Joe Scarborough, and Tucker Carlson had a lot to say about all of it. Just a word of warning here, you may find out a little more about Tucker, well, than you ever wanted to know.
[begin video clip]
ABRAMS: I want to play this piece of sound from Larry Craig on Meet the Press, back in 1999, talking about Bill Clinton.
CRAIG [video clip]: I will tell you that the Senate certainly can bring about a censure resolution, and it's a slap on the wrist. It's a "bad boy Bill Clinton, you're a naughty boy." The American people already know that Bill Clinton is a bad boy, a naughty boy. I'm going to speak out for the citizens in my state, who, in the majority, think that Bill Clinton is probably even a nasty, bad, naughty boy.
[laughter]
ABRAMS: I can't listen to that enough!
CARLSON: It's too good.
ABRAMS: I could listen to that again --
CARLSON: It's too good.
ABRAMS: -- and again and again and again!
[laughter]
ABRAMS: Joe Scarborough, I guess the question, though, is -- on a somewhat serious note -- is you have, you know, you have him out there in 1999, preaching about Bill Clinton being a naughty boy, and you've got these other scandals, it seems, as of late. You got Vitter; you got Foley -- and there's a lot of talk about hypocrisy, about the fact that you've got these pro-family value Republicans being accused or pleading guilty or whatever to things that pro-family people might not do.
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, but, you know, the thing is, looking at that Meet the Press clip -- I mean, when I first saw it, I looked at it one way; but you look at it today, and it seems that he may have actually been stimulated by the fact that Bill Clinton was a dirty --
[laughter]
SCARBOROUGH: -- dirty -- I think he said, "nasty, naughty boy." It really is just such a joke. Here, you've got Larry Craig, who's going out and possibly soliciting gay sex in the Minneapolis airport, and then you have David Vitter, who's admitted going after prostitutes in Washington, D.C. -- before that, of course, Mark Foley going after male House pages.
ABRAMS: These are your peeps, Joe!
SCARBOROUGH: Yeah, and also Duke Cunningham -- another peep of mine -- who actually would go to poker matches and apparently take part in this trading of sex for votes.
And Tucker and I both want to know what kind of job you have to have in Washington, D.C., to have that type of power to be able to trade a vote for sex.
And you know what? It is -- of course, the media is going to be critical and the Democrats are going to be critical. The biggest problem here is that you're going to depress turnout among your conservatives, members of the evangelical base, who feel like saying, "You know what? Enough already. I don't believe you guys anymore. I have no reason to stand in line and vote for you."
ABRAMS: But, Tucker, your position has long been on these kinds of stories that their personal lives are not our business. Does this case qualify for that, in your mind, as well?
CARLSON: Let me be clear, Dan. I am not gay. I have never been gay. I overreacted and made a poor decision.
SCARBOROUGH: And you love your -- you love your wife, Tucker. Let me just say for the record, I am not gay, either.
CARLSON: I mean, let me -- let me put it this way. Whether he's gay or not actually is not our business, and I do think it's indefensible that the newspaper in Idaho spent a year interviewing 300 people to answer the question: Is he gay? That's none of your business. Having sex in a public men's room is outrageous. It's also really common. I've been bothered in men's rooms. I think people who do --
SCARBOROUGH: Really? Have you, really?
CARLSON: Yeah, I think -- and, you know what?.
SCARBOROUGH: Hey, Dan?
CARLSON: Let me just say.
SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second.
ABRAMS: Wait. Wait.
CARLSON: Yeah, I have.
SCARBOROUGH: Dan? Hold on.
CARLSON: And I -- and let me just say. I think they should knock it --
SCARBOROUGH: Dan, I don't mean to take over, but have you been bothered in public restrooms, Dan?
CARLSON: Yeah.
SCARBOROUGH: Because I know I haven't.
CARLSON: I have. I got bothered in Georgetown Park when I was in high school.
ABRAMS: Really?
CARLSON: Yes.
SCARBOROUGH: Wow.
CARLSON: And let me just say, I think -- they --
SCARBOROUGH: That's something.
CARLSON: -- people should knock that off. I'm not anti-gay in the slightest, but that's really common, and the gay rights groups ought to disavow that kind of crap because, you know, that actually does bother people who didn't ask for being bothered. So, yeah, I think it's outrageous that he did that, and also this specter of him getting up there and blaming other people is so Clintonian. You know, if he just said, "I'm not going to talk about it," that'd be one thing --
ABRAMS: And this notion --
CARLSON: -- but he's clearly crazy.
ABRAMS: -- and this notion that he pled guilty, and yet he's saying, "Oh, you know what? I never should have done that."
SCARBOROUGH: It was the newspaper's fault.
CARLSON: Well, it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous.
ABRAMS: Well it's the newspaper -- it's everyone's fault except his own. I mean, I've never heard of -- I mean, you're a U.S. senator, and you're thinking you're going to make it go away --
SCARBOROUGH: But, hold on a second, though, Dan --
ABRAMS: -- by pleading guilty after you're busted in a public bathroom?
SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second. You have Bill Clinton, who actually went out and did the same exact thing. He showed defiance. He said, "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky," and he continued that line not only for months in the press, but then he went before a grand jury and said the same thing, and it -- you know what? Here's the thing. It worked for Bill Clinton. His wife went on TV and she blamed, remember, the vast right-wing conspiracy that's been trying to take down her husband.
I don't dredge this up to knock the Clintons. That is history, and it's a -- ugh -- it is a nasty part of our history, and I'm glad it's behind us. I just bring it up to say, you know what? Deny, deny, deny seems to work.
[end video clip]
NOVOTNY: And you can catch Dan tonight at 9 on Live with Dan Abrams right here on MSNBC.
I still do not believe Carlson ever did any such thing, I believe it is still misinformation that he is spreading.
They shouldn't have brought up Clinton/Lewinsky, because I had a sudden flash of illumination. I understand it all now.
Republicans hate Bill Clinton BECAUSE HE'S STRAIGHT.
:-)
Just strange. I think there has been some discussion behind the scenes at MSNBC about this and they decided they didn't want to repeat Tucker's little story here.
Carlson should be pressed on this issue. Not just because he was spewing goofy stuff on the air this time, but because he is constantly saying dumb, irresponsible things. The tone of this really reminds me of O'Reilly. He likes repeating tough guy stories from his past too. So many of this rightwingers reveal themselves to be sociopaths when they wander off into personal stories. You get the feeling here that Carlson is either making this story up or changing it around a bunch. There is a chance that there is truth to it and that he's dealing with some level of repressed memory. It has that ring to it.
CARLSON: I went back with someone I knew and grabbed the guy by the -- you know, and grabbed him, and -- and --
ABRAMS: And did what?
CARLSON: Hit him against the stall with his head, actually!
____
In a way, Carlson is looking as ludicrous as Craig. How can you reconcile this account with is later account that he just held the man until security came?
You can't ... one retelling of the story or the other is a lie.
And grabbed him by the what exactly? I mean if he's saying he went in there and attacked the guy by grabbing his genitals, that's indicative of a pretty disturbed little dude. Even imagining it that way is pretty disturbing. Do all of these rightwingers have some pathetic, repressed junk in their souls that lead them to attack decent people with their politics? (I'm not referring to the guy in the bathroom) You get the feeling that if more people were getting the psychiatric care they needed we wouldn't have much of a right wing movement in this country. Sad.
naturally mr. macho had to go get help.
Do you think tucker was wearing a bow tie when he got assaulted, or did he start wearing it after he got assaulted?
he said it happened in high school. according to this, he went to "st. george", an episcopal boarding school in rhode island. i'm picturing a navy blazer with a school patch and a red tie. i'm sure the prep attitude comes natural.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson
Ya think Olbermann will name Carlson "worst person in the world" tonight?
Would you be disappointed if he didn't?
Yes, Carlson is the Worst Person in the World
Just wondering where you rank bin laden then?
bin Laden is not a person, I am not sure what he is . Plus it is satire. We really do not mean carlson is worst person in the World.
Did Tucker lie when he said he hit the man's head or when he said he just held him for the cops?
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TUCKER IS A LIAR.
Tucker Carlson repeated the same story on the "Bubba the Love Sponge" show on Sirius, where he also called Barney Frank "The most miserable person whe has ever met".
That is interesting since the Congressional staffers were once polled and THEY voted Frank both the funniest AND smartest member of the House. I am thinking they know the Congressmen better than Tucker.
Once that bow tie comes off...
Look out!
I can't believe that MMFA is focusing on what Carlson did twenty years ago as a high school student in response to an unwanted advance. You think you all have it all figured out in high school as far as how to handle every situation in a perfect way? This is really shameful behavior by MMFA to declare an assault occurred based on Tucker's memory of a twenty year old incident with so much of the story missing from what actually occured. We don't know squat about the circumstances regarding Tucker and his friend holding this guy before the police arrived and yet MMFA has this painted as an assault, tried and convicted just like that. Pathetic and very disappointing.
You seem to ignore that Tucker was the one to bring this up in the first place completely unsolicited. Do you expect pundits to bring things up without it being fair game for scrutiny/criticism?
His original description was pretty odd, IMO. I have no reason to doubt his clarification, but there still are a few inconsistencies.
If Tucker didn't want this talked about, you might want to ask him why in the world he brought it up in the first place? I don't know why you are taking issue with MMFA here.
I expect things to be open to fair scrutiny. Had this happened recently I could see it being bantered about, but this is twenty years ago for goodness sakes. It's just partisan nonsense to go after him on such sketchy facts for a twenty year old incident. MMFA should be above that.
It may have HAPPENED 20 years ago but TUCKER brought it up and talked about it TWO DAYS AGO. I dont even understand the argument that he should be able to TALK about something outrageous he did twenty years ago but since it is old news no one else can comment on it. That makes no sense whatsoever.
If you don't like Carlson's life experiences being scrutinized, then I'd suggest you ask Carlson not to tell about them on national television.
I agree Bruce. What does it matter anyway? Most straight guys I know would do the same thing as Tucker despite their age. I guess in today's age we are supposed to "understand" our perps rather than deal with them. Although I rarely agree wth Tucker I applaud him for teaching a pervert a lesson.
Really? I was propositioned by a gay man when I was about 20. It didnt freak me out, I didnt get mad, I just told him no thanks I wasnt interested. I thought THAT was how most straight guys would react.
Really? You were propositioned by a gay man in the bathroom, and you were polite? Each to his own, I guess. Personally, (for arguments sake) If a man approached me as Sen. Craig did to the officer, polite is the last thing a pervert like that would get.
I think Carlson is somewhat justified in that he claims he was assaulted first. By assaulting the man back, Carlson actually put himself in the same legal jeopardy. Usually mutual claims of assault are just dropped.
Now if there wasn't really an assault, then I don't know why the man in the bathroom would need to be assaulted, pervert or not. I guess I just view homosexuals in the same category as very unattractive women. I am not interested in either of them, so if they are interested in me, I just view it as flattery and move on.
Exactly so
It didnt happen in a bathroom but it was a public place. I didnt then nor do I now see any reason to be outraged. I dont even get that reaction. Why wouldnt I be polite? He was being polite. Truly I dont understand any rationale for any OTHER response.
You were propositioned by a gay man in the bathroom, and you were polite?
How should he have acted?
"I guess in today's age we are supposed to "understand" our perps"
No one said you have to "understand" anything. But except in the lawless, Ol' Wild West age, you're not supposed to go judge-and-jury, two-on-one, and bash a person's head in.
I realize noone said we have to understand our perps. That was my line, and it is an opinion of my own, hence the qualifier "I guess" before the statement in question. I certaintly don't want to advocate violence against anyone. I see this as a self defense issue. Obviously not for Carlson, who apparently went back and got a friend and then committed assualt. That shows forethought and obvious criminal intent. In any event, in siutations in which you are in the bathroom or anywhere for that matter and someone attempts to touch you with the intent of having sex one should be free to nuetralize a threat with the least possible means of force necessary. If a pervert is peeking through a stall at me and then enters the one next to me and touches my foot with his, I ain't running for the nearest precinct. Sometimes there needs to be immediate consequences for deviant behavior which endangers others.
"I certaintly don't want to advocate violence against anyone."
Oh no, no. I just guess your simultaneous "applauding Carlson for teaching the pervert a lesson" required some marvelous mental & moral footwork on your part, that's all.
You are absolutely correct, sir. What a profound mind you have. Jeez!!!!
Look, if you like to play footsie or don't mind being manhandled by perverts in public bathrooms then be my guest. I for one don't tolerate such deviant behavior and it appears neither did Carlson. I don't advocate senseless violence period. If you happened to read the rest of my posting you obviously would have seen how that was qualified. One more time (read this slowly now).... If you are assualted by a pervert in a bathroom then you have the right to and should react quickly and quite frankly violently to nuetralize the threat. Defending yourself is not a crime, sir.
"I don't advocate senseless violence period. ... If you are assualted by a pervert in a bathroom then you ... should react quickly and quite frankly violently to nuetralize the threat."
Allow me to remind YOU ---very slowly--- of what YOU said:
"If a man approached me as Sen. Craig did to the officer, polite is the last thing a pervert like that would get" ...
What you advocate and "applaud" is violently bashing the skull of someone who tapped their foot and waved their hand. Somewhat of an overreaction to say the least, and somewhat of a stretch to call that "assault", considering the person isn't even touching you.
Really? You were propositioned by a gay man in the bathroom, and you were polite? Each to his own, I guess. Personally, (for arguments sake) If a man approached me as Sen. Craig did to the officer, polite is the last thing a pervert like that would get.
I think this is less about what Tucker did 20 years ago than it is about the fact that he saw fit to brag about it on a news program.
Ah, no Bruce, in your zeal to attack MMFA you misrepresented an important point. MMFA did NOT paint it as an assualt TUCKER painted it as an assault.
"I can't believe that MMFA is focusing on what Carlson did twenty years ago as a high school student in response to an unwanted advance."
Uh, no. MMFA is focusing on Carlson using the public airwaves to justify unwarranted violence on others while in a conversation about homosexual behavior in public places. It was Carlson who decided that his high school years were relevant to the conversation, not MMFA.
Media Matters is not reacting to something that happened to Carlson 20 years ago, they're reacting to what he said about it this week.
Your post attempts to make it sound like the only problem here is Carlson's memory. In one segment he claims he went back with a friend to teach this guy a lesson, in the other he claims they just held the guy until authorities arrived. I don't believe that he came out with the macho man version and then "remembered" during the break, "Oh yeah, we didn't really slam his head into the stall, I forgot."
This faulty memory is a character trait that many conservatives fall back on when questioned about their ever-changing stories. Witness the congessional testimony of Gonzo, Libby, etc. What makes it doubly pathetic in this case is that it's so unecessary, since I don't believe this incident ever happened.
Tucker is given to straw men and wild baseless assertions on his own show. He also has a habit of being all over the place on issues, e.g. against the war, but for The Surge; not at all anti-gay, but claiming to have had a friend batter a gay man who "bothered" him. I for one would like to see Tucker put up, or shut up.
http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Flh4H6M9yR4J:www.dailykos.com/story/2004/7/15/182137/909+%22tucker+carlson%22+%2B+%22valerie+lakey%22+%2B+jacuzzi&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
Let's not forget Little Tucker Carlson is such a he-man, he repeatedly laughed and made sport of a little girl almost killed in a public park...because she was John Edwards' legal client.
sorry, i don't buy this for an instant. tucker carlson is such a pus*y, the only thing he ever grabbed was himself. yeah, real tough guy there "tucker", if that's your real name.
seriously, mr. carlson was the one who used to get routinely beat up on in high school, even if it was a private boarding school. yeah, sure, this wuss beat up on someone. if you believe that, i have shares in the brooklyn bridge for sale, below par.
Carlson was the who brought this incident up in the first place and then MSNBC plays state censor. MMFA has every right to call both Carlson and the network on it. This is a perfectly legitimate complaint and the little neocons will just have to deal with it.
Well in fact it is on here to point out the inconsistancys of that particular media whore.
The fact that tucker constantly spouts dislike of and lies about others should be pointed out. So, he spilled his guts and admitted he kicked a gay persons butt with help from a friend, then the next day he denies it.
Its typical, and MSNBC and TUCKER should be called on it.
THANKS MMFA.
AS IN THE PREVIOUS DAY'S INTERVIEW;
DENY, DENY DENY
Silly idiots, don't they realize these things are taped and can be reviewed any time?
There once was a pundit named Tucker
Who thought he was a tough mother****er
Beat up some gay guy
Maybe it's just a lie
Either way, his fans are still suckers
Hit on in a bathroom stall
Tucker made a buddy call
This is the way Tucker gives head....
20 years later
more spewing from the hater
tucker all "bowed" up like a rooster
MotherTucker is a personality. He brought up his macho behavior. What if it was ten years ago , is it still in play? The republans better watch how they answer this because they will have established a time frame for "digging back into time". Which means that in the year 2030, they may have to quit using the republan party sins as being equal to that of Bill Clinton. What would they do then?
Hell, this Senator does what he did and the Repug spin is that it is an unfair media towards the Family Valued r's. They seem to have forgotten that Bill Clinton was sliced and diced EVERY, that is RIGHT, EVERY day. Such hypocrites, these FAMILY VALUE PEOPLE.
The subject of this post should be why Abrams refers to these Republicans as "pro-family." Nothing pro family about sending children to die in a foreign land for purely ideological goals. Nothing pro family about destroying families, is there Abrams???
MSNBC did the right thing here. It was a stupid anecdote (or lie) for Tucker to have even gotten into on the air and they were smart to just take it out.
Now if only they'd see that Tucker adds nothing of substance or intelligence to political debate and not air him at all.
This is a waste of a topic. We should get back to politics. Not a Tucker Carlson fan, but he was in high school and it sounds like this was an adult predator. Whether he grabbed him, hit him and/or held him until authorities came, it might not have been smart, but it wasn't wrong. It is probably an uncomfortable memory and it is difficult to get the details of uncomfortable memories out there correctly. It looks like he didn't want to talk about it and he let it slip. Who cares really?
Another apologist tries to play the memory card. I suspect the trouble Carlson is having remembering this incident relates more to the fact that he's making it up on the spot than any pain he feels recalling this.
But, I digress. I'm afraid that what he did was wrong, legally. Had he hit the man in question while the event was taking place to protect himself, he would have been completely justified. Returning later with a friend to deal out a little prep-school justice is against the law.
I really wish someone had the time to search the public records around this event, as I'm fairly certain that Carlson is just a legend in his own mind here.
If nothing else, this is good for comic relief. Tucker Carlson, whom I've always suspected is actually the love-child of Wally Cox and Ruth Buzzi from Laugh-In, depicted as the protector of preppies from sexual predators, handing out ass-beatings in public parks. I giggle uncontrollably just trying to picture it. If they ever make a film of his heroic exploits, they should sign Droopy the Dog on to play Carlson.
Maybe Dan Abrams (who I think is very intelligent, thoughtful and fair) was goading those two idiots into self-destruction. He didn't even have to hand them the rope to hang themselves. They brought it with them with their other baggage. Carlson and Scarborough claim not to be homophobic and never to condone gay bashing, but their words and their laughter tell quite a different story. I was going to say they really belong on Fox News with their bretheren, but I'd actually just like to see them go away altogether.