Fox's Hannity asserted the Paws "only make $49,000 a year"
SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, while discussing The Wall Street Journal's suggestion that businessman Norman Hsu may have funneled illegal campaign contributions to Sen. Hillary Clinton by reimbursing members of a California family, the Paws, for contributions made to Clinton under their names -- Sean Hannity asserted: "They [the Paws] only make $49,000 a year. Where did they get the $250,000?"
On the August 29 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, while discussing a recent Wall Street Journal article -- which suggested that Norman Hsu, a "wealthy New York businessman" and "top fundraiser[]," may have funneled illegal campaign contributions to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) by reimbursing members of a California family, the Paws, for contributions made to Clinton under their names -- co-host Sean Hannity asserted: "They [the Paws] only make $49,000 a year. Where did they get the $250,000?" In fact, while the Journal reported that "William Paw, the 64-year-old head of the household" "earns about $49,000 a year" and that his wife, "Alice Paw, also 64, is a homemaker," the Paw donations reported in the article did not come solely from William and Alice Paw. The Journal further noted that the money donated by the family to Clinton totaled about $200,000, not the $250,000 Hannity and Wall Street Journal OpinionJournal.com columnist John Fund, a guest on the show, alleged.
On August 28, the Journal reported: "Six members of the Paw family, each listing the house at 41 Shelbourne Ave. as their residence, have donated a combined $45,000 to the Democratic senator from New York since 2005, for her presidential campaign, her Senate re-election last year and her political action committee. In all, the six Paws have donated a total of $200,000 to Democratic candidates since 2005, election records show." Brody Mullins, the reporter who wrote the article, added: "The couple's [William and Alice Paw] grown children have jobs ranging from account manager at a software company to 'attendance liaison' at a local public high school. One is listed on campaign records as an executive at a mutual fund."
Additionally, as Media Matters for America documented, half of the $200,000 in political contributions came from Winkle Paw, an adult son. According to the Federal Election Commission (FEC), Winkle Paw made $100,550 in contributions to political committees since 2004. (The bulk of Winkle Paw's contributions were made in 2005, 2006, and 2007 -- his donations totaled $3,000 in 2004.) Additionally, Winkle Paw has donated $2,800 to joint fundraising committees -- which raise money to be distributed to other committees and are listed separately by the FEC -- since 2005.
Earlier in the segment, Fund had asserted that "[t]he [Paw] family there has contributed over $250,000 to Democratic candidates in the last three years. They never contributed before 2004 to anyone." Fund also stated that "[William Paw] makes $49,000 a year," that "his wife is a homemaker," and that "[t]here's very little other income in the family."
On Hannity, co-host Alan Colmes began the segment by asking Fund: "Is there any evidence that ... Hillary Clinton knew anything of what Hsu was doing, if indeed he did anything illegal, that she had any knowledge ... that this was going on?" Fund replied: "At this point, no. But ... I think we need to learn more." Later, when Colmes asked, "[D]o you have any public record or indication that Hsu reimbursed the Paw family?" Fund responded: "No, but I have strong suspicions of it," adding: "[T]he Paw family should come forward." But, as Media Matters also noted, Hsu's lawyer, Larry Barcella said in an August 28 statement posted on Talkleft.com, that in addition to making the comments published by the Journal, he had offered to provide financial information showing that the Paws were able to make such donations: "I told the reporter [presumably Mullins] and his editor that I had reviewed the Paw's [sic] financial records, which clearly demonstrated that they easily had the financial wherewithal to make any level of contributions. ... I asked the reporter, in the presence of his editor, if I got permission to let them see the Paws' financial information, which shows their resources, would they not run the story? His editor responded 3 times that they were running the story anyway." The Journal article did not address the purported offer of the Paws' private financial information. Instead, the Journal simply reported:
Lawrence Barcella, a Washington attorney representing Mr. Hsu, said in a separate email: "You are barking up the wrong tree. There is no factual support for this story and if Mr. Hsu's name was Smith or Jones, I don't believe it would be a story." He didn't elaborate.
The Journal also reported:
People who answered the phone and the door at the Paws' residence declined requests for comment last week. In an email last night, one of the Paws' sons, Winkle, said he had sometimes been asked by Mr. Hsu to make contributions, and sometimes he himself had asked family members to donate. But he added: "I have been fortunate in my investments and all of my contributions have been my money."
Colmes also stated during the show: "[G]enerally, you know, the candidates are not aware, day to day, of what's happening with people who may contribute, who are buying contributions." As Media Matters noted, the Journal article reported: "In the wake of a 2002 law that set ... limits [on campaign donations], federal and state regulators and law-enforcement officials said they have seen a spike recently in the number of cases of individuals and companies illegally reimbursing others for campaign donations. Those cases don't necessarily implicate the candidates, who sometimes don't even appear to be aware of such payments executed on their behalf."
From the August 29 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
COLMES: Is there any evidence that the -- Hillary Clinton knew anything of what Hsu was doing, if indeed he did anything illegal, that she had any knowledge --
FUND: At this point --
COLMES: -- that this was going on?
FUND: At this point, no. But we -- I think we need to learn more. And I think we need to have Mr. Hsu found. After all, there's a warrant out for his arrest on grand theft. I think he should be brought in and should be asked a lot of questions about a lot of things.
COLMES: What -- she should be brought in?
FUND: No, Mr. Hsu --
COLMES: He should --
FUND: -- should be brought in.
COLMES: Mr. Hsu should probably -- but you want to pin this on Hillary Clinton because of his behavior?
FUND: No! No, no. The only concern with the Clinton campaign is we have seen strange campaign contribution scandals before. The 1996 campaign saw 120 people connected to the Clinton fundraising efforts either flee the country to avoid questioning or plead the Fifth Amendment.
[...]
FUND: I want questions and answers.
COLMES: There's no evidence of it. In fact, there's no public record or indication that Hsu reimbursed, for example, the Paw family, the family in California --
FUND: No.
COLMES: -- that gave like-minded contributions to the Hillary Clinton campaign.
FUND: -- we also have this gentleman who has just fled to Pakistan because he gave illegal campaign contributions. He has fled the country. I'm saying there are ominous parallels with exactly what went wrong in the 1996 --
COLMES: Right.
FUND: -- Clinton campaign, and we never got the answers to what was the [inaudible].
COLMES: But, generally, you know that candidates are not aware, day-to-day, of what's happening with people who may contribute, who are buying contributions.
FUND: Except, in 1996, we do know Bill Clinton was aware.
COLMES: But, did you -- but, what does that have to do with now, John?
FUND: He was aware of the Lincoln bedroom. He was --
COLMES: John, what does it have to do with this? You want to keep going back to 1996 --
FUND: Because the Clintons have a modus operandi. This is a pattern, here, Alan.
COLMES: You want to go back to '96 --
FUND: It's a pattern.
HANNITY: Wait, hang on a second.
COLMES: -- and it has nothing to do with this.
HANNITY: You know what? You guys are arguing. I want to go through this step by step and explain exactly, especially as it relates to the Paw family, where you have a gentleman that only makes $45,000 per year --
FUND: And his wife is a homemaker.
HANNITY: -- and his wife is a homemaker. Why don't you explain in detail what's happening here and why this is significant? He's a fugitive, by the way.
FUND: Absolutely. We can't find him. Although he's sponsoring a Clinton fundraiser September 30, Mr. Hsu is. The Paw family is very interesting. They live in a house that Mr. Hsu used to own in Daly City, California.
HANNITY: Right.
FUND: The family there has contributed over $250,000 to Democratic candidates in the last three years. They never contributed before 2004 to anyone.
HANNITY: Right.
FUND: He makes $49,000 a year. There's very little other income in the family.
HANNITY: Right.
FUND: They apparently have all of this money. The suspicion is that, like with a lot of campaign finance scandals, Mr. Hsu may have been reimbursing them in order to make those contributions to evade the campaign contribution limits. That would be the suspicion.
HANNITY: All right, so in other words, that they would be funneling the money from Mr. Hsu,
FUND: Laundering.
HANNITY: -- basically, through the Paw family --
FUND: Right.
HANNITY: -- to get it into the Clinton coffers there. All right.
FUND: Exactly.
[...]
COLMES: Whose in jail because of this?
FUND: In jail? The investigation goes on. The Federal Election Commission says they're continuing the investigation.
COLMES: All right -- do you have any public record or indication that Hsu reimbursed the Paw family?
FUND: No, but I have strong suspicions of it.
COLMES: Suspicions. All right.
FUND: Oh, well, where are -- the Paw family should come forward.
HANNITY: Where did they get the money? They only make $49,000 a year. Where did they get $250,000?
COLMES: Greta is here to tell us what's coming up next On the Record right after Hannity & Colmes.















To borrow a metaphor from one of our other posters...this is nothing more than the GOP parrots tossing a new ball onto the yard for the puppies to chase.
Hey, let's ignore the war that is sucking us dry. Let's not investigate how we got there, or who's getting filthy rich from it...let's fabricate campaign finance controversies! Yeah, that's the ticket!
Way to change the subject on the first post. Hsu fly, Hsu!
More pooh poohing about the Paw Paws?
Maybe they contributed in mexican jumping beans, $250,000 worth.
Agree Nerzog, why all the fuss here?
Why all the fuss, indeed.
It looks like H&C didn't get the memo in time. The heat has become to much to bear for Hillary and other Dems who have taken money from Hsu, as they are now washing their hands.
I don't blame Hillary for this, unfortunately money fuels politics and is a necessary evil. And she can't micromanage everything.....the whole system is at fault here, to single out any one politician as beneath the rest is unfair.
Colmes is an idiot as usual...it's nonsense to think that Clinton was unaware of the third highest contributor by address to her campaign.
I wouldn't expect her to know all...but she damn well knows who is No.3.
Well then, who is Numer 1 and 2...and what is the crime here. Oh, I forgot, they haven't made one up yet. No cigar, no harm. Maybe the WMD's are at that address.
As an aside, are the Republans in the fold still too stupid to see the the hack jobs can only go back to Bill Clinton whenever they want some headlines. If they hated that criminal Bill Clinton so much, they should voluntarily donate all the money they made thru his time as Prez to some charity..let's say, Duke Cunningham or Mark Foley, or Scooter Libbys' defense fund or to some other valued minded Republan.
Yeah, because nothing happened to Duke, or Foley, or DeLay..
I though they did something wrong. Wasn't Cunnigham convicted, how about Scooter....Foley just quit.
If Hillary is found to be in cahoots with these people, prosecute.
Wake up prince...it was in the original WSJ article that mmfa highligted...Tsakopoulos and Neidich families.
Hsu also connected to the Paws address has been arrested concerning his flight from justice.
Mouse droppings are everywhere...
Media Matters continues to look foolish defending Clinton here. Same for TalkLeft, TPM Election Central, DailyHowler, etc.
Lawyer Barcella offered to show the WSJ documents IF THEY AGREED NOT TO RUN THE STORY. What kind of news organization would go with that? Has Media Matters seen the documents? Give the WSJ or some other news organization the documents without precondition.
Check out the NY Times Caucus Blog on this - Several widely used databases would have turned up the information about Hsu's kidnapping and bankruptcy in San Mateo Cty. From there, go to criminal records and you've got his swindling conviction. Total time elapsed is a few minutes.
We still have no source for Hsu's money. This is terrible: Clinton and Bob Kerrey were all over this character because he was giving away money. They had no idea where he was getting the money. His "businesses" are mailing addresses or just lies. He uses references of people who never met him.
The story is not over. What good is experience if you don't learn from it? Hillary Clinton and her crew learned nothing from the '96 Clinton-China-money scandals that absolutely dominated the fall campaign.
Sure, Andra. Keep saying that and maybe you'll believe it. The story never made the front page of CNN. Clinton and the other Dems returned the money. It's going to be pretty hard for the media to make a story out of this.
Of course, what should I expect from somebody who really believes that Clinton murdered Vince Foster. You don't like facts, do you?
"Colmes is an idiot as usual...it's nonsense to think that Clinton was unaware of the third highest contributor by address to her campaign."
What does this have to do with anything?
You get a wake up call as well:
- But, generally, you know that candidates are not aware, day-to-day, of what's happening with people who may contribute, who are buying contributions. - Colmes
I'm not talking about that. What does Hillary knowing or not knowing the address have to do with anything?
If Hillary is unaware of the third largest contributor... she has either built a nice safe haven of being able to deny and blame her underlings...or she's too dumb to be president.
I've never accused her of being dumb.
I have no idea whose post you were responding to. I asked “What does Hillary knowing or not knowing the address have to do with anything?” Let me help you out a little. Let’s assume Hillary knows the address of the Paw family. This means…?
Loonz, I agree with you...sorry the post was out of order...in my mind
does this look like it could be a case of bundling? it's possible, but this has also gone in the republican party for years. and when it is proven that hillary knew and approves of bundling, then you have something to talk about. and i'm sure that when candidates are introduced to donors, it's meet mr. jones. it's not meet mr. jones of 123 bumfork road.
When you can show any proof that Hllary knew that she has received allegedly illegal contributions, let us know. Until then, I won't take your argument very seriously.
I'd be happy to know how the Paws came up with half the total figure they are attributed to have donated.
Dex, Don't you think the Hillary Haters would have this information if it existed? Hillary Hate has exceeded Bush Hate. Shame on the Repugs.
Maybe Hillary should use the same infallible strategy theat the Republans use.."I don't recall"...at this point, she will be free to go since all Republans understand that line of thinking.
Oof, I don't think you can say Hillary Hate has exceeded Bush Hate. Not now, not since he was elected. Maybe during Bill's administration, maybe. I can remember thinking as far back as 2002 that I couldn't wait for a Democrat to be elected president, to see how fast everything wasn't the president's fault anymore.
The Clintons were hated in 1991. Are you saying that Bill and Hillary weren't vilified by the Republan Haters all thru his term as President? Does the name Kenneth(I can't find anything wrong) Starr ring a bell. By the way, what actually has Hillary done to be hated so much by those holier than thou Repugs? Many say she should have left her husband. Now that is the Christian Right which we have come to know and love.
Why do you care how they came up with any of the money?
BWAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAH.
Why did you care where Delay came up with his???
We know how delay came up with the money. Why do you care how the Paw family came up with any of the money?
I don't think anyone here cared...but somebody else sure did.
Re: Delay's fun money
Two words that are appropriate:
Jim Noe
"U.S. District Judge David Katz ordered Noe, 52, to spend 27 months in prison and to pay $136,200 in fines for giving two dozen friends and associates money to attend a high-priced luncheon with President Bush in 2003 in Columbus."
Money he made by stealing from the people of Ohio.
Hey, I like that Brit Hume photo! Is it 10 years old?
Well lets just look at how much our good buddies at Haliburton have given and where its went, and what it buys?
http://www.campaignmoney.com/halliburton.asp
Oh, never mind, they DID give some to the DEMS also.
ITS ABOUT DEM TIME!
$250K?
That's small change when considering that over a billion dollars was spent during the 2004 presidential election cycle.
Total Contribution Dollar Amount to Republicans$284,235(70% of total
Average Contribution Dollar Amount to Republicans$1,833Total Contribution Dollar Amount to Democrats$19,742(5% of total)Average Contribution Dollar Amount to Democrats$506
Which I believe shows that our government is for sell to the highest bidder!
The only way that the American citizen can get his 2 cents into the process is go to the polls and vote. However, as the saying goes, money talks and and BS walks. So lets make sure that the BS and "money" thats spread around, at least on FAUX, makes the Democratic slate stink by association.
ITS ABOUT DEM TIME!!
Could you cite the sources of your information?
This was an asinine segment. It was based upon a whole bunch of hypotheticals and assumptions instead of facts and evidence. Colmes couldn't squash this segment?
I wish I had read your post before I posted something ont he next page. You said it so well and it took me about 15 minutes to get my message organized and it is long. Oh well, I will read comments first and just add "here here" in the future.
So Ma and Pa Paw only contributed $100,00 over the past 4-5 years on a salary of $49,000? Makes perfect sense now. Thanks MMFA for clearing up the problem.
Records show they own a gift shop and live in a 1,280-square-foot house that they recently refinanced for $270,000. William Paw, the 64-year-old head of the household, is a mail carrier with the U.S. Postal Service who earns about $49,000 a year, according to a union representative. Alice Paw, also 64, is a homemaker. The couple's grown children have jobs ranging from at account manager a software company to 'attendance liaison' at a local public high school. One is listed on campaign records as an executive at a mutual fund."
Moreover, The Wall Street Journal reported, "In all, the six Paws have donated a total of $200,000 to Democratic candidates since 2005, election records show," but did not report that half of the $200,000 in political contributions came from Winkle Paw, an adult son. The Journal reported Winkle Paw's statement that "I have been fortunate in my investments and all of my contributions have been my money."
I do wish Mr. Hannity had even a small smidgen of integrity so that he asks these devious questions when it is a Republican fund raiser in question. It only took me three minutes of cursory research to find out that Winkle Paw, one of the Paw children is into investments and he makes well over 100,000 a year and can well afford the contribution he gave.
Plus, if anyone cares to make a study of Chinese culture, they will find they save money, make good financial decisions and are very good citizens that support the political situation. . Mr Fund's and Hannity's political hit jobs are showing. I think Alan did a great job in showing that all the flim flam both Fund and Hannity were peddling consisted of things they made up. Thanks Alan for pinning their ears down and making them admit they had not ONE shred of evidence to make the claim. It is easy to see how frightened the Republicans are about a Clinton run.
It is sad that this sort of behavior has chased moderate Republicans like me away from the party. We are ashamed of the moral tone of Republicans who beat their chest about morality and then pull a low hit job like this. Then of course there are the host of moral lapses by Republicans all the time bleating about Democrats' moral lapses..
This behavior just flies int he face of what the Scripture says about "Judge not lest ye be also judged". I suggest Hannity and Fund spend all this wasted energy and tell the truth and work on cleaning up the corruption in their own party.
Here, Here, Mari. I think your post was very apt, no reason to apologize on the other page. :-)
Here's a question Hannity needs to answer?
If your Wounded Veterans Concerts are so successful, with thousands of people paying to attend them, paying to park, refreshments etc....... Why does Line 17,Part-IV-A on the Freedom Alliances/Wounded Veterans Tax Form 990 for the year 2006,only report a total of $6,525 tickets sold...?
Line17,PartIV-A: GROSS RECEIPTS FROM ADDMISSIONS, merchandise sold,or services preformed, or furnishing of facilities in any activity, that is related to the organizations charitable, etc, purpose..."
Hannity, what happened to all the money you collected on tickets ,merchandise, books etc....? Are you saying you only sold $6,525 worth of tickets, merchandise etc..... in 2006?
Is a investigation from the IRS warranted in your case Hannity? I smell a con-artist at work here, using the Wounded Veterans to line your own pockets! We need some answers, cause you have another concert coming up Sept 11, at Six Flags in New Jersey! Think you can provide us, with some answers before then, after all "You Duh Man", when it comes to helping the Wounded Vets, right!
Isn't it entirely possible, that even though the Paw family only brings in $49,000/year, and if the head of the household has been working for umpteen years, that they invested their money wisely? I know it's hard to believe and all, but there are thrifty people out there who do invest their money, and make it work for them, and at their age, it's entirely possible, even on $49/year that they have a nice little nest egg, and want to give it to democrats. Do I think that this is happening? I don't know for sure, but just because they don't make a lot of money, doesn't mean that they don't HAVE a lot of money.
Case in point, myself. I've been out of college for about 10 years now. Through saving and investing some money, I've already accumulated a $250k nest egg, because I want to retire early. It does take lots of sacrifice, but I'll probably be able to retire by the time I'm 45 and live comfortably for the rest of my life.
Information refuting Hannity's claims about the Paws was published by the Wall Street Journal even before the Journal published its story about Hsu. That's right, it published a story about the Paws, including the explanation for the family's donations, the day before it moved on to Hsu.
Either Hannity is an outright liar for partisan purposes or he selectively reads (or has somebody read for him) The Wall Street Journal.