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Wash. Post ignored parts of Petraeus testimony to claim he "did not toe the White House line"

September 13, 2007 4:16 pm ET

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SUMMARY: A Washington Post article asserted that Gen. David Petraeus "did not toe the White House line completely" during his recent congressional testimony regarding progress in Iraq, citing as evidence an exchange between Petraeus and Sen. John Warner in which Warner "[a]sked [Petraeus] whether fighting in Iraq makes the United States safer, as Bush argues, [and] he answered, 'I don't know.' The article did not report that Petraeus backtracked later in his testimony, embracing the White House position that the United States has "very serious national interests in Iraq" and that "achieving those interests has very serious implications for our safety and for our security."

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A September 13 Washington Post news "analysis," headlined "Petraeus Returns to War That Is Now His Own," asserted that during his recent testimony on Capitol Hill regarding progress in Iraq, Gen. David Petraeus "did not toe the White House line completely, resisting efforts to portray Iraq as part of a global struggle against terrorism." As evidence, the Post referred to an exchange between Petraeus and Sen. John Warner (R-VA) during the September 11 Senate Armed Services Committee hearing in which Warner "[a]sked [Petraeus] whether fighting in Iraq makes the United States safer, as Bush argues, [and] he answered, 'I don't know.' " But later during an exchange with Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN), Petraeus changed his response. Embracing the White House position that the United States has "very serious national interests in Iraq" and that "achieving those interests has very serious implications for our safety and for our security," Petraeus added: "So I think the answer, really to come back to it, is 'yes.' " Moreover, earlier during the same hearing ranking member Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said to Petraeus: "[Y]ou have stated that Iraq is now the central front on the 'war on terror' " and then asked: "[I]s that a correct quote?" Petraeus replied: "That is correct, sir." The Post's Peter Baker and Thomas E. Ricks, authors of the analysis, did not report any of these comments.

Also during the hearing, before Bayh's questioning of Petraeus, Sen. Lindsay Graham (R-SC) asked Petraeus if the sacrifices being made to fight the war in Iraq are "worth it to us." Petraeus responded that "the national interests that we have in Iraq are substantial. An Iraq that is stable and secure, that is not an Al Qaeda sanctuary, is not in the grip of Iranian support, Shi'a militias, that is not a bigger humanitarian disaster, that is connected to the global economy. All of these are very important national interests." Graham then asked: "Would that be a 'yes'?" Petraeus replied: "Yes, sir."

Indeed, the White House has often asserted that Iraq is the "central front" of the "war on terror," and the Bush administration's "National Strategy for Victory in Iraq" released in November 2005 states that "Victory in Iraq is a Vital U.S. Interest." Additionally, President Bush recently stated that "[i]t can be tempting to look at the challenges in Iraq and conclude our best option is to pack up and go home" but "the consequences for American security would be devastating" and on September 3, Bush asserted that making progress in Iraq is "vital in meeting the strategic interests of our nation." Further, Bush and others in his administration have repeatedly made the much-discredited claim that staying in Iraq is vital to our national security, because if troops are withdrawn from the country, "the terrorists will follow us home."

From the September 13 Washington Post analysis:

Without doubt, his testimony bolstered Bush's position in the debate over the future of the war and provided Republicans a measure of political relief by recommending withdrawal of about 25,000 troops by next summer. Yet he did not toe the White House line completely, resisting efforts to portray Iraq as part of a global struggle against terrorism or predict that al-Qaeda will take over if U.S. forces pull out. Asked whether fighting in Iraq makes the United States safer, as Bush argues, he answered, "I don't know" -- a reply that was featured in another antiwar ad yesterday.

Petraeus, who holds a doctorate from Princeton, is no political naif, and he managed to emerge from the experience with even congressional Democrats praising his professionalism. As media-savvy as any top officer, he is granting 11 television interviews and 11 print interviews this week. Yet he will return to Baghdad the symbol of a deeply unpopular war and, to critics, his generation's Gen. William Westmoreland.

From the September 11 Senate Armed Services Committee hearing:

McCAIN: General Petraeus, you have stated that Iraq is now the central front on the "war on terror." Is that a correct quote?

PETRAEUS: That is correct, sir.

McCAIN: Why is that?

PETRAEUS: It is based on my conversations with the director of the CIA and Lieutenant General [Stanley] McCrystal, the Joint Special Operations Command commander, who have assessed that it is the central front for Al Qaeda, and they have based that on communications and other things. It is possible that the loss of momentum to some degree in Iraq by Al Qaeda may be shifting that. We've actually been looking that to see if there are indicators of a reduction in support for Al Qaeda, Iraq or not, and there is not something conclusive yet, but it is certainly something that we are looking at very hard.

[...]

WARNER: You're advising our president now on a strategy. We don't know what it will be. But I hope that if in any way you disagree that you will so advise him. And secondly, I hope that in the recesses of your heart that you know that strategy will continue the casualties, the stress on our forces, stress on military families, stress on all Americans. Are you able to say at this time, if we continue what you have laid before the Congress here, as a strategy, do you feel that that is making America safer?

PETRAEUS: Sir, I believe that this is indeed the best course of action to achieve our objectives in Iraq.

WARNER: Does that make America safer?

PETRAEUS: Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind -- what I have focused on and what I have been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force-Iraq.

[...]

GRAHAM: How many people have we been losing a month on average since the surge began in terms of killed in action?

PETRAEUS: Killed in action is probably in the neighborhood of 60 to 90, probably on average 80 to 90, average, killed in action. That does not include the American soldiers, for example, tragically killed last month in a helicopter --

GRAHAM: But here's what lies ahead for the American military. If we stay in Iraq and continue to support the surge through July, we're going to lose somewhere in the neighborhood of 60 military members, most likely hundreds more.

PETRAEUS: Yes, sir.

GRAHAM: We're spending $9 billion a month to stay in Iraq, of U.S. dollars. My question for you: Is it worth it to us?

PETRAEUS: Well, the national interests that we have in Iraq are substantial: An Iraq that is stable and secure, that is not an Al Qaeda sanctuary, is not in the grip of Iranian-supported Shia militia, that is not a bigger humanitarian disaster, that is connected to the global economy. All of these are very important national interests.

GRAHAM: Would that be a yes?

PETRAEUS: Yes, sir. Sorry.

[...]

BAYH: General, I'd like to turn to you. I thought you had an excellent, very candid response to Senator Warner's question, and that was he asked you, going forward the recommendations that you're making, will that make America safer? And you said that you could not answer that question because that was beyond the purview of your -- beyond the scope of your responsibilities.

PETRAEUS: Well, I thank you, actually, Senator, for an opportunity to address that, frankly --

BAYH: I judged by --

PETRAEUS: -- candidly, I have been so focused on Iraq that drawing all the way out was something that for a moment there was a bit of a surprise. But I think that we have very, very clear and very serious national interests in Iraq. Trying to achieve those interests -- achieving those interests has very serious implications --

BAYH: Well, let me ask you about those interests --

PETRAEUS: -- for our safety and for our security. So I think the answer, really, to come back to it, is "yes." But again, frankly, having focused down and down and down and down, that was something that really, on first glance, was something that I let others above me answer.

BAYH: I judge by your response to Senator Graham that you'd given that a little additional thought.

PETRAEUS: Immediately after it, actually.

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    • Author by JLyons (September 13, 2007 4:19 pm ET)
         

      The article did not report that Petraeus backtracked later in his testimony, embracing the White House position that the United States has "very serious national interests in Iraq" and that "achieving those interests has very serious implications for our safety and for our security."

      So are we now saying we do not have any national interests in Iraq?

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      • Author by nerzog (September 13, 2007 4:24 pm ET)
           

        Actually we do have national interests in Iraq...we've lost almost 4,000, and more are killed every day.

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      • Author by solon (September 13, 2007 4:58 pm ET)
           

        We have national interests everywhere, I am saying there isnt any evidence that achieving out interests in Iraq do NOT have serious implications for our safety and security

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        • Author by solon (September 13, 2007 7:50 pm ET)
             

          Wow I wrote that badly. I mean there isnt any evidence achieving what is being called our interests in Iraq are crucial to our safety OR security

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      • Author by loonz (September 13, 2007 5:10 pm ET)
           

        So are we now saying we do not have any national interests in Iraq?

        If you think oil is a national interest (I don't) then yes.

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    • Author by nerzog (September 13, 2007 4:26 pm ET)
         

      Petraeus has expressed an interest in running for President. Maybe this is his ticket into the short list for the GOP.

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    • Author by worrierking (September 13, 2007 4:33 pm ET)
         

      Leave General Petraeus Alone

      [link to vids.myspace.com]

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      • Author by monknj80 (September 13, 2007 5:48 pm ET)
           

        I'll see your babling moron and raise you a cold hard call out by John Stewart.

         

         

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        • Author by eweston8542983 (September 13, 2007 6:44 pm ET)
             

          Jon is great. I disagree with him on the mobious strip call. I think its more of a klein bottle situation.

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    • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (September 13, 2007 4:49 pm ET)
         

      Just a little off topic, but I watched a show on HBO called "Alive Day". Young men and women who have suffered horrible injuries while serving in Iraq. I have never felt such shame in my government as I did watching that show. Dumb and Dumber sent these kids over there based on a lie. They gave them Humvee to drive around in only to be blown to pieces. It should make us proud of the soldiers but angry and shameful for all those to lazy to fight for their country when they had the chance but more than willing to send others when fighting was not needed. That this General is willing to continue the lie just to cover his @ss is equally shameful. How he could sit in front of this country and toe the line that he was given is unbelievable. How this man can be willing to appear tonight and tell another lie is beyond believable. Did we learn ANYTHING from VietNam?

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      • Author by worrierking (September 13, 2007 5:18 pm ET)
           

        I agree Pearlene. The supporters of this war like to make comparisons to WWII.

        During WWII our factories geared up to produce equipment to provide arms and safety for our troops.

        The private "contractors" in Iraq have been driving in Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles for a long time while our troops drive in death traps.

        I can't imagine Roosevelt not finding an idle auto maker to produce MRAPs on a massive scale.

        And on December 8, 1941 the armed forces enlistment centers across this country were filled with volunteers.

        This administration should be ashamed, hell, they should be in jail!

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      • Author by redking75687 (September 13, 2007 7:38 pm ET)
           

        Some people learned nothing from Vietnam. They still think that if we only killed a few more million "commies" that the war would have been won. These are the same people who claim we have to keep killing till the last "terrorist" is dead. Their idea of victory can be summed up in two words...total genocide.

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    • Author by ajwan (September 13, 2007 4:51 pm ET)
         

      Below is where Petraeus is playing the "I'm going to answer narrowly, as a soldier just successfully carrying out my military objectives." mode.

      WARNER: Does that make America safer?

      PETRAEUS: Sir, I don't know, actually. I have not sat down and sorted out in my own mind -- what I have focused on and what I have been riveted on is how to accomplish the mission of the Multi-National Force-Iraq.

      When he realized his political error or was notified of his error, he adjusted his response. But in both cases he is playing the politician not a soldier and it is unnerving. I would not buy a used car from this guy.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (September 13, 2007 7:02 pm ET)
         

      His boss, dosn't like him. An Admiral W something. I wish I could remember his name. He has said that we will not attack Iran on his watch. This is hopeful unless shrub decides that this military man should be an xmilitary man. this seems to happen too recent in military critics. At least if he goes it could provide a heads up.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (September 13, 2007 8:59 pm ET)
         

      It was Adm Fallon, hope thats the right spelling. Randy Rhodes from Air America, says he'd start drawing down today to 50% of todays levels, to start with.

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    • Author by chucko (September 13, 2007 8:59 pm ET)
         

      For those of you who find this item misleading and feel obligated to defend Petraeus, don't you just love this slip-in near the end of the article: "Further, Bush and others in his administration have repeatedly made the much-discredited claim that staying in Iraq is vital to our national security, because if troops are withdrawn from the country, 'the terrorists will follow us home.'"

      Last time I checked, Petraeus never said he believed that the terrorists would follow us home if we withdrew from Iraq.  He, unlike Bush, is smarter than that and would never make such a statement.  So that slip-in was totally unnecessary for this item.  

      Also, MMFA leaves out of this item that General Petraeus was careful to say that based on General McCrystal and others, al Qaeda believes that Iraq is the central front on the war on terror.  He didn't believe that because BUSH said it; he believes that based on actual field soldiers, NOT PARTISAN/WH  POLITICS. And, he said evidence is growing that this may no longer be the case.  You don't hear Bush saying that, do you? 

      Also, just because he says: "the national interests that we have in Iraq are substantial: An Iraq that is stable and secure, that is not an Al Qaeda sanctuary, is not in the grip of Iranian-supported Shia militia, that is not a bigger humanitarian disaster, that is connected to the global economy" does not mean he's "toeing" the WH line on Iraq.  By MMFA's logic, anyone, even a foreign policy expert who says something like that is deemed a WH line toer, and that's not right.  

      You (and Jon Stewart, for that matter) should be able to see based on his own testimony that David Petraeus IS his own guy, not a WH mouthpiece. He describes himself as not an optimist, or pessimist, but a "realist" when it comes to Iraq, and you will never see or hear him talking about "victory" in that country or oil as a reason to stay.  Like Thomas Ricks just said on Countdown, Petraeus at best only sees "a light at the end of the tunnel" when it comes to Iraq.

      So this piece fails on it's face to prove Petraeus to be a WH line toer.  The McCains and Lindsey Grahams of the world do plenty of that.

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      • Author by mary59 (September 14, 2007 11:38 am ET)
           

        As EWeston pointed out earlier in this thread, Admiral Fallon disagrees with you:

        "In sharp contrast to the lionisation of Gen. David Petraeus by members of the U.S. Congress during his testimony this week, Petraeus's superior, Admiral William Fallon, chief of the Central Command (CENTCOM), derided Petraeus as a sycophant during their first meeting in Baghdad last March, according to Pentagon sources familiar with reports of the meeting.Fallon told Petraeus that he considered him to be "an ass-kissing little chickenshit" and added, "I hate people like that", the sources say. That remark reportedly came after Petraeus began the meeting by making remarks that Fallon interpreted as trying to ingratiate himself with a superior. That extraordinarily contentious start of Fallon's mission to Baghdad led to more meetings marked by acute tension between the two commanders. Fallon went on develop his own alternative to Petraeus's recommendation for continued high levels of U.S. troops in Iraq during the summer."

        http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=39235 

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    • Author by anotheramerican (September 13, 2007 10:22 pm ET)
         

      Can someone please explain to me how Petraeus saying that the United States has "very serious national interests in Iraq" and that "achieving those interests has very serious implications for our safety and for our security."

      is backtracking from  

      [Petraeus] whether fighting in Iraq makes the United States safer, as Bush argues, [and] he answered, 'I don't know.'

      ?

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      • Author by anotheramerican (September 13, 2007 10:32 pm ET)
           

        Maybe I can answer my own question. Looking back on my previous post I guess I can see where MMFA is coming from.

        When I saw his answer on TV I immediately thought to myself, that this guy is being honest in that he doesn't know if Al Queda will attack us elsewhere by defeating them in Iraq. I think almost anybody would have the same response.

        Later on, though his statement seems to me to be saying that losing in Iraq will have serious consequences for the U.S. 

        To me those are two different situations. He doesn't know if winning in Iraq will stop Al Queda, but he does feel losing in Iraq will have far reaching negative consequences.

        That doesn't seem like backtracking to me.

        Feel free to disagree. 

         

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        • Author by nerzog (September 14, 2007 9:44 am ET)
             

          Well, if the Senator had asked specifically about Al Qaeda, you'd have a point. He didn't. You're making that leap yourself. The basic fact is that Petreaus said he didn't know if the Iraq war was making us safer. Then he asserted that failure would have "very serious implications for our safety". While it may not be a direct self-contradiction...it is somewhat waffly.

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    • Author by nerzog (September 14, 2007 9:49 am ET)
         

      I heard one of the GOP liars say on the radio that Al Qaeda was "making mischief" in Iraq and Europe, and we had to stay in Iraq so they couldn't come here. As usual, the reporter interviewing him missed the golden opportunity to ask the obvious question..."WHAT IS STOPPING THEM FROM COMING HERE NOW????????"

      It's maddening.

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    • Author by mary59 (September 14, 2007 11:33 am ET)
         

      The general is being political, no question.

      In the memory of the two brave soldiers who co-authored the NYT opinion piece explaining that our presence in Iraq is harmful, that we should get out, here's an excerpt from their essay:

      http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/19/opinion/19jayamaha.html?ei=5090&en=5a8349a0e944e61b&ex=1345176000

      "The claim that we are increasingly in control of the battlefields in Iraq is an assessment arrived at through a flawed, American-centered framework. Yes, we are militarily superior, but our successes are offset by failures elsewhere. What soldiers call the “battle space” remains the same, with changes only at the margins. It is crowded with actors who do not fit neatly into boxes: Sunni extremists, Al Qaeda terrorists, Shiite militiamen, criminals and armed tribes. This situation is made more complex by the questionable loyalties and Janus-faced role of the Iraqi police and Iraqi Army, which have been trained and armed at United States taxpayers’ expense."

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