CNN's Foreman uncritically reported that McCain "doesn't advertise his faith"
SUMMARY: On The Situation Room, discussing an AP article which reported that "John McCain, who has long identified himself as an Episcopalian, said this weekend that he is a Baptist and has been for years," Tom Foreman stated that McCain "has said for years that he doesn't advertise his faith." But Foreman did not note that the same AP article quoted McCain saying he has publicly expressed his faith "hundreds of times."
On the September 17 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, discussing the fallout from a September 16 Associated Press article which reported that "Republican presidential candidate John McCain, who has long identified himself as an Episcopalian, said this weekend that he is a Baptist and has been for years," CNN correspondent Tom Foreman reported that "McCain has said for years that he doesn't advertise his faith." Foreman then aired a clip from 2000 of McCain telling an audience, "I am a man of faith, but I also have to tell you that I believe that my relationship with God is a private one." But Foreman left out other relevant information from the AP article: Notwithstanding McCain's denial that he "advertise[s] his faith," he was quoted by the AP saying that he has publicly expressed his faith "hundreds of times."
The article also noted that McCain "does discuss faith on the campaign trail." From the article:
McCain, at a campaign stop at a Veterans of Foreign Wars post in Anderson [South Carolina], said he has made plenty of public expressions of his faith. "I've done that hundreds of times," McCain said, adding he has spoken at length with his pastor at the church and has been told there is no need for him to be baptized to be a full member of the church.
The Associated Press asked McCain on Saturday how his Episcopal faith plays a role in his campaign and life. McCain grew up Episcopalian and attended an Episcopal high school in Alexandria, Va.
"It plays a role in my life. By the way, I'm not Episcopalian. I'm Baptist," McCain said. "Do I advertise my faith? Do I talk about it all the time? No."
McCain does discuss faith on the campaign trail. He regularly tells crowds about a North Vietnamese POW guard who would loosen his bindings while he was a prisoner. One Christmas, the man surreptitiously signaled his Christian faith, McCain says, by making the sign of a cross with his toe in the dirt.
In a July 18 speech to the national convention of Christians United for Israel, McCain told the audience: "As some in this audience may know, I spent several years as a prisoner of war, a time when all my freedoms were rescinded. And yet it was my very faith in a Supreme Being that sustained me and strengthened me while at the hands of my captors." He concluded by saying that "today I stand as I believe so many of you do: a Christian, proudly pro-American and proudly pro-Israel."
Furthermore, McCain's campaign website links to a June 11 McClatchy Newspapers article that discusses how his campaign "is reaching out to conservative Christians." The article describes McCain's "rich and fulfilling spiritual life":
Learned in childhood. Deepened in Vietnam. Nourished today by a redemptive Baptist church, daily prayer, generally in the evening, sometimes holding hands with wife, Cindy, occasionally reading a family Bible, always seeking "guidance, comfort and wisdom in almost every aspect of my life."
From the 4 p.m. ET hour of the September 17 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
BLITZER: Is he a Baptist or is he an Episcopalian? That's the question some people are asking about Senator John McCain. Let's go to CNN's Tom Foreman. He's here in The Situation Room, he's watching this. So what's the answer?
FOREMAN: Well, the answer is, this is a nutty story here, but the answer is both.
[begin video clip]
McCAIN: There's been some talk about my religious persuasion.
FOREMAN: John McCain in South Carolina referring to an Associated Press article this weekend that has some people talking. The senator from Arizona and Republican presidential hopeful told the AP that he was a Baptist, but Episcopalian is the faith listed in his biography in the latest guide of members of Congress and in the most recent edition of the Almanac of American Politics.
And, in an interview with McClatchy Newspapers in June, McCain said he still called himself an Episcopalian.
We ask him about his faith.
McCAIN: I was raised in the Episcopal Church and attended high school at a high school called the Episcopal High School. I have attended North Phoenix Baptist Church for many years. And the most important thing is that I am a Christian. And I don't have anything else to say about the issue.
FOREMAN: McCain says his wife and two of their children have been baptized in the Baptist church they attend, but that he has not, telling AP, "I don't find it necessary to do so for my spiritual needs."
McCain's campaign says none of this is new and that the issue was given a thorough vetting when McCain first ran for president in 2000. McCain says religion plays a role in his life, but he said for years that he doesn't advertise his faith.
McCAIN: My religious belief is clear. I am a man of faith, but I also have to tell you that I believe that my relationship with God is a private one. And I am not ashamed of my religious beliefs or my faith, but, at the same time, I believe that that relationship is generally a private one.
[end video clip]
FOREMAN: The only reason this is getting any headlines is where he made these comments. He did it in South Carolina. That holds the first Southern primary. It's a state dominated by Baptists. So some people are saying he's pandering with this, trying to get votes. But McCain says he was Baptist the last time he ran for president, and it didn't help then, because then-Governor George Bush defeated McCain in the South Carolina primary.
Wolf, as we would say on "Raw Politics," this kind of has the smack of a cheap shot. It's not like he said he was a devil worshipper. Like a lot of families, people have different influences of different faiths, and McCain is explaining it away, but explaining it well.
BLITZER: And he says he's a man of faith --
FOREMAN: Exactly.
BLITZER: -- and he's a Christian.
All right, thanks very much, Tom Foreman.

















Soon to come, John renames his short bus the "faith based express".
What a MAVERICK!
It's simple. He's an Baptiscopalian.
He's a Baptist... but he hasn't been baptized into the Church.
Sounds confusing, like the Immaculate Conception.
I think he's a dry baptist.
After reading through the War and Peace like thread on Couric and her language usage...I don't know if this thread is ironic or coincidental.
What I do know is....this is a very banal exercise in journalism by Matthew Gertz and mmfa.
Let's face it, all the candidates advertise their faith, put it out there like they are the most God-fearing religious people on the planet........they pretty much cancel each out on how high a faith-based pedestal they can climb actually, so it's a non-issue for me.
As long as they're not sanctimonious, I am cool.
McCain's another worshipper of the War God.
Great, what we really need is more politicians getting answers from invisible forces
Can I go off subject? For those of you offended I apologize in advance. The rightwing terror tactic of calling someone a liberal has resulted in really idiotic views being given equal time with more informed views. I know I'm wading into dangerous waters, but all arguments are not equal.
Example: today on the view an Elizabeth Hasselbeck ally and co-host, Sherri Shepherd, said she didn't believe in evolution. Fine. Whoopi Goldberg then asked her, nonconfrontationally, if the world was flat. She said she didn't really know and didn't have an opinion. She did rely on the bible to support all her assertions. To Hasselbeck's credit, she was truly embarassed. But no one said Shepherd was being stupid! They had a responsibilty as broadcasters to do so.
My point is that this is the result of ignoring millennia of science and the convergence of politics and religion. Leave faith to the faithful and reason to the reasonable. Faith and reason coexisted well during the Renaissance and do so today as well in most countries. Unfortunatel not in the U.S. We combine the two at our own peril. If the religious right has its way, Western-style sheria law takes hold and we are no different than those we oppose in the global war on stupidity.
It's not off-topic, if what you're referring to is the use politicians make of Religion, and of how they inject their Faith into their political campaigns, and mislead the electorate, by confusing the doctrine of Public Service, Law, and Government...
...with the tenets of Religion.
You maybe framed it a little larger than that, into knowledge versus faith, but it's the same thing that concerns us here (and is the substance of this MMFA item), which is a confusion of Civil Authority (which Sen. McCain aspires to) with some kind of Holiness of Faith (which Sen. McCain pretends to).
It's a real problem too, this attempting to play on the Religious beliefs of the electorate, and to gain political Office by way of invoking God to the Congregation.
Because public professions of Religious Faith on the part of politicians, has two unmistakable marks to it:
1. It is easy to fake
And 2. it is impossible to prove
That's the bad news.
But the good news is two-fold:
1. It has little or no bearing on the present political climate in the U.S.; this invocation of Religion, and of God's Name, in the presidential campaign that is upon us now, is a waste of time and a vain use of the Name. The American People are as desirous of real qualifications and real abilities in their President, as they have ever been in any time I can remember: They don't need a preacher this time around, and aren't looking for one.
And 2. Sen. McCain is way off the mark and behind the curve as usual; and his foolish claim of being a Baptist (despite his not being baptized into that Faith) is just another stupid and grasping error on his part. he hasn't gotten the memo about this election; he doesn't get it...
...and that's good.
Because it just further proves the delusion of the man, who volunteers our Sons and Daughters to be sacrificed in Iraq, as "the central front" in George W. Bush's "global war on terror"...
...he more than volunteers them for that sacrifice, he seems to cheer it.
And so it is good to see this delusional fool who will not be Cleansed in the River (and yet claims he is a Baptist!), to see him sink like a rock into the depths of the abyss.
Hmm on topic post gone again.
Perhaps you missed my admission of going off topic moron. Playing nicely doesn't always pay-off.
I'm offended by the the baptist (small "b") imperative in this country. Should we ever engage in "full scale" religious war with Islam, the baptist pespective would be incidental.
The baptist have given very little to the world or global society. Falwell and his ilk (i.e., the View cohost, Sherri Shepherd), represent the idiocy of this denomination. Had Martin Luther King not studied Ghandi and his religion I don't think he would have been as successful and visionary as he was.
I think calling Lynn a "moron" was uncalled for. And how are you sure that she was refering to your post?
In fact, I think she was making light of the fact that she had posted the below comments onto the wrong topic thread (see the comment board for the Media airs Romney attacks).
This did not have anything to do with what you wrote above.
I wasn't at all. I guess this rude Krom guy and I are both morons. I thought that I had an on topic post deleted from this thread and what I had done was posted the comment intended for this thread in the wrong thread. I flagged it of course with my apologies. If it's still there it's in the thread beneath this one.
Perhaps you missed my admission of going off topic moron. Playing nicely doesn't always pay-off.
1. She might have missed your going "off topic"
2. You can't "play nice" by calling someone a moran
Lynn is not a moran and you should be ashamed!
Agreed. My apologies to Lynn if I offended.
Pearl I wasn't even talking to this guy, read my post above.
Qualifications
Only those people who are baptized members of a local Baptist church[6] are included in the total number of Baptists. Most Baptist churches do not have an age restriction on membership, but will not accept as a member a child that is considered too young to fully understand and make a profession of faith of their own volition and comprehension. In such cases, the pastor and parents usually meet together with the child to verify the child's comprehension of the decision to follow Jesus. There are instances where a person makes a profession of faith but fails to follow through with believers' baptism. In such case they are considered "saved" but not a church member until baptized. If children and unbaptized congregants were counted, world Baptists may number over 120 million.
Sorry the above statement should have been in quotes and it came from Wikipedia. People that officially join the Baptist church that have never had submersion baptism are required to be baptised before becoming full members, but non-baptized members are welcomed, encourage to attend and are always most certainly approached routinely and encourgaed to be baptized.
Actually McCain only stated he attends church at a Baptist Church. He is NOT a Baptist. By his own comment, he admits he was not baptized. That means he is not a Baptist in any Southern Baptist Church which North Phoenix Baptist Church is.
Anyway what difference does it make? He is a good, decent, honorable man, wrong about the war but still decent and honorable.