Limbaugh: Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden "on the same page"
SUMMARY: On his radio show, Rush Limbaugh claimed that he
gets Sen. Barack Obama and Osama bin Laden "confused," stating that
bin Laden's call in a newly released tape "to invade Pakistan and declare war on Pakistan and [Pakistani President]
Musharraf ... puts him on the same page with" Obama. However, Obama
has said he "never called for an invasion of Pakistan."
During the September 20 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, discussing a newly released audio tape reported to be from Osama bin Laden in which he calls for Pakistanis to overthrow President Pervez Musharraf, Rush Limbaugh asserted: "Well, we've got another tape from -- I get these guys confused -- Usama bin Laden. Another tape says he's going to invade Pakistan and declare war on Pakistan and Musharraf, which, ladies and gentlemen, puts him on the same page with a Democrat presidential candidate -- that would be Barack 'Uss-Obama.' " Limbaugh then aired an audio clip of a recent statement by Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL): "If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will." Misrepresenting Obama's comment, Limbaugh then said: "All right, so, we're going to attack Pakistan. Poor Musharraf's going to get it on both ends if Barack's elected."
However, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented (here, here, and here), Obama never said he would "attack Pakistan," or "declare war on Pakistan and Musharraf." As Limbaugh noted, in his August 1 speech, Obama did claim that "[i]f we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will," but he did not elaborate on the nature of this action. From Obama's August 1 speech:
OBAMA: As president, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.
I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an Al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.
And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my administration will increase America's commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists' program of hate is met with one of hope. And we must not turn a blind eye to elections that are neither free nor fair -- our goal is not simply an ally in Pakistan, it is a democratic ally.
During an August 6 campaign stop in Iowa, when an audience member asked Obama about his comments, Obama responded, "The misreporting that was done needs to be cleared up. I never called for an invasion of Pakistan."
From the September 20 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: Well, we've got another tape from -- I get these guys confused -- Usama bin Laden. Another tape says he's going to invade Pakistan and declare war on Pakistan and Musharraf, which, ladies and gentlemen, puts him on the same page with a Democrat presidential candidate -- that would be Barack "Uss-Obama." And let's go back to August 1st: "U-Bama" gave a speech on counterterrorism, and here's a portion of what he said.
OBAMA [audio clip]: If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf will not act, we will.
LIMBAUGH: All right, so, we're going to attack Pakistan. Poor Musharraf's going to get it on both ends if Barack's elected.
Well, their names sound similar and they both referenced Pakistan. How much more do you want!
Well, well, isn't this a sign of the times......
The Senate wastes their time and our tax dollars to vote on a resolution condemning MoveOn.org for putting a question mark after Betray Us? and blackens the eye of free speech and yet......
OxyContin Rush says this and I begin to wonder if our great Senators will begin to condemn Rush and all the other right-wing water carriers when they throw slime and vile at every turn?
Listening to Rush Limbo is like watching an episode of Jesus Camp. These evangelicals have the IQ of gnats.
According to the mantra being spewed by the brain-dead imbeciles in the GOP, anyone attacking a Democrat is "exercizing their free speech rights". Anyone attacking a Republican is "engaging in hate speech"; if the person being attacked is in the military, the attacker is "not suporting the troops" and "hates America".
Just more mindless hypocrisy from the right side of the aisle.....
Awww... Rushie is confused. Isn't that pwecious! Maybe it's time for his medication.
This might clear things up:
Osama Bin Laden wants to fight a war over religion and oil, thinks that religion should dictate law, hates homosexuals (and women), and is sick and tired of the moral depravity of today's secular culture.
Sounds like maybe Osama and Rushbo are pretty much on the same page here. Maybe they should be BFFs?
Osama Bin Laden wants to fight a war over religion and oil, thinks that religion should dictate law, hates homosexuals (and women), and is sick and tired of the moral depravity of today's secular culture.
Heck, by that description, I was thinking you were talking about our President.
Or Bill O'Reilly
Two retroburgers and a stab-in-the-back free. Could I get the Rush bobblehead with the doublereidaction action jaw?
Thank god our media has such stall warts and wide stances.
Didn't Rush claim he never said "Osama Obama Obama Osama"?
I'm sure he did. What, you're suprised that a racist, drug-addicted pedophile would lie about something?
Wow, I know Rush is routinely called a drug-addicted racist here, but this is the first I've heard of him being a pedophile too?
There was some kind of story a while back about him being involved in sex with an underage prostitute in another country or something like that. It came and went very quickly, so I don't recall any of the details, or how credible it was. Maybe somebody on here can refresh our memory.
It was a stretch, but appropriate for comedic purposes, that he was stopped in an airport with Viagra (that was prescribed for someone else, by the way) on his way back from the Dominican Republic, a country reknowned for its underage prostitutes.
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I got it, I know far more latitude and "stretches" are allowed when accusations are made at those who are unpopular here, as opposed to Democrats or other heroes, where strict adherence to proveable facts only is absolutely necessary.
So which way should we go? Elevate the conversation, or take it down to Limpaugh levels? Seeing as how this is a limpaugh article, I think we need to dispose of rationality altogether and have fun.
Limpaugh listeners have obviously been tempered to tell the difference between the facts and teh funny...
Fact 1 Rush Limbaugh is a pill sucking drug addict.
Fact 2 Rush Limbaugh is a white racist. That's why he was fired from MNFL duh.
Fact 3 Rush Limbaugh evaded the draft because of his anal disease
Um, no Tommy. Actually, the only way it's OK is if you phrase it as a question, that way you don't have to use actual 'facts'
Didn't you learn anything from Karl Rove?
Sheesh!
If Rush doesnt LIKE being slandered perhaps he ought to stop slandering people. If YOU dont like to hear Rush slandered perhaps you should encourage him to stop slandering others.
I hope for Mr. Limbaughs' sake that he goes back to the doctor and have those implants checked. It seems that he is having trouble hearing again. But trying to correct Republan Ear Syndrome is difficult. You just can't help but to hear things incorrectly.
What Rush doesn't realize is that it is affecting his comedy routine. Rush, this joke needs to be reworked.
I don't know if the Limbaugh/Dominican boy-whore story is true, but it wouldn't really surprise me if it was. Normally I don't think such things have a place in civilized conversation, but Rush has given up any claim to civilization long ago. He frequently baselessly accuses people he doesn't like of being murderers, terrorists, terrorist sympathizers, communists, socialists and Nazis among many things to the largest national radio audience.
I think tommy is essentially right and it is good to avoid that kind of slander, but I find it increasingly difficult to care so much when it comes to people who attempt to "argue" like Rush does.
Weak comment Tommy.
Tommy, behave! You're acting trollish again.
Honestly, it's mostly speculation, but he does fit the bill. He was coming back from the Dominican Republic when he got busted for drugs. That country has the largest illicit sex industry in the world, worse than Thailand.
I wouldn't put it past him, anyways. He's already shown that he has no decency.
Anyone who lies for a living like he does can't possibly have a conscience. Especially being such a shameless cheerleader for an unnecessary war.
As much as I want Rush exposed for what he is, the Dominican Republic is a popular vacation destination for many non-pedophiles.
Las Vegas has "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" and the Dominican Republic has "the Dominican Republic is a popular vacation destination for many non-pedophiles."
Cracked me up...
Their travel slogan should be:
"Come to the Dominican Republic. It's not just for pedophiles anymore!"
That will bring in the non boy-whore lovers.
Exactly !!!! Once you land in the Dominican Republic and hit the streets, you are bombarded with offers of drugs and man on man sex. Seems like a haven or should I say "Heaven" for Rush.
While Rush may not be a pedophile I have heard from a gay friend of mine that the Dominican is a haven for gays on vacation. We all have heard the stories about his posing as a male hooker a few years back under the name of Randall Terry if i remember right. So maybe he wasn't after kids but refuses to come out of the closet like Craig.
Rush didn't say it; you're probably thinking of Teddy Kennedy. See this...
I often confuse "Rush" with "tush", and "Limb" with "limp". I don't know why....
Go Rush go! Attack Barak! God, I love it. Nothing better for a Democrat running against other Democrats to have Limbaugh going after you. Attacks like this are so beyond juevenile that no one honest, mature, sane or Demoratic is going to be swayed in any other way than to defend what is clearly a dignified man.
I really want Obama to get the nomination because I don't think anyone on the GOP ticket would have a chance of beating him and he'll make a good president. If I worked for Obama's campaign I'd be sending these dirtbags emails just to bait them into attacking us. As though any of Rush's dim witted fans would be voting for any Democrat in the general election. If he wants to help rally the Democratic base around a candidate I'd sure prefer he does it around the strongest one. Thanks ya big turd.
Rush is one of the main reasons that I became such a pointy-headed Liberal. I couldn't stand the thought of being associated with this bastard or his fascist belief system, even remotely. The older I get, the further Left I am pushed by him and his pinheaded imitators. I'd vote for Bill Maher before I'd vote for any Republican now running.
As for Obama, I hear a lot of talking heads commenting that he is not attacking Hillary as much as he should. Could it be that a Clinton/Obama ticket is in the works?
It could well be. While I think Obama would be their best chance at winning as Edwards was in 04, Hillary is more deeply entrenched in the structure of the party. I hate saying stuff like that because it shouldn't make sense. I guess what you could say is she has way more powerful allies within the party.
This was the same deal with Kerry vs Edwards in terms of selling a more palateable candidate to the swing voters. Anyone who has been paying attention for more than a week should have been able to see that Ed was an easier sell outside of the party. I think this situation mirrors that and it scares me in the same way I felt in 03. I was calling into talk radio begging Democrats not to put Kerry's scary face in front of the voters who decide in the last week's of the general who strikes them as more of a swell fella.
I pray that three times is a charm in terms of Democrats being overconfident. Because they are again. I think what you suspect is the most likely scenario at this point. If she takes the nomination it would be awkward to put Edwards in the VP spot again. And passing on Obama would deflate the energy around the ticket. He is blatantly the most charismatic candidate on either side of the race. All you have to do is remember his one time up to bat on the full national stage. His speach was clearly the highlight of the convention in 04 and in spite of the cheap line about 'experience' he has more of it now than he did then.
Personally, I would love to see the energy Obama at the top of the ticket would bring. It would be really positive for the whole country and in how the world looks at us. Wish the Democrats new better how to go with their strenghts. I'll fight for Hillary if I have to but man, that's going to be annoying as hell.
Boy, You're in the minority here, because most take a completely opposite view of yours. They want Rush to stop, you want him to "Go Rush go".
Good observation Tommy. That's really insiteful. It helps with a general understanding of the subject at hand. Thank you. Super good job.
In John Dean's new book, BROKEN GOVERNMENT: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Executive, Legislative and Judidial Branches, he opines that the more Limbaugh, Hannitty, etc. go on with their diatribes, the better it is for progressives.
Well, you better keep that to yourself, and try not to sell that to the faithful here.........they have never, nor will ever, believe that.
Just read around here for proof of that.
Tommy, instead of a dig, why don't you give your opinion on whether this view is correct?
Which view? If you're referring to the impact of Limbaugh and the value of highlighting his schtick for more publicity, I have stated my opinion on that before.
Riiiiight, we ought to ignore him. I mean since that worked out so WELL the first decade or so we tried it.
What we do about the GOP noise machine isn't going to change the fact that it's there. Limbaugh and the many others on his level of sleaze are one cog in the wheel and just as important as FOX. Tommy is coming across as little innocent barely knows a thing, just his opinion after all but as usual, he's pushing what is the primary cover from the Right. When you try to confront 'legitimate' right wingers about the hate speech on the far right which is clearly helping their cause, their response is just as Tommy's. (surprise!) It's just entertainment! Nothing to see here folks. If it's so outrageous as you say, how could it be influencing anyone? But of course that's just one more level of lies. See Tommy, you do help move the conversation along.
You really do speak out of both sides of your mouth. Did you or did you not say "Go Rush go!"?
I would say that is even worse than ignoring him, in fact, it's encouraging him. But you said it, not me.
Are you REALLY simple enough to think that is an actual contradiction? Rush isnt going AWAY. We may as well get the benifit of his bafoonish behavior alienating those who have that common decency thing going for them. Doesnt mean that cheering him on FOR OUR BENIFIT, since we cant rub a genie bottle and make him begin the carrer he more richly deserves asking if you want FRIES with that. is saying he is a good thing. He is NOT. As long as he is going to be hurting America he may as well do it in a way we can benifit from.
Do you know how silly you sound now?
Oh we want Rush to shut up; NO, we don't want Rush to stop because it helps our side; We think he actually helps Democrats; NO, he hurts Democrats because he's mean to them; His listeners are stupid, who cares about them anyway?; NO, he has much influence over his dittoheads, they listen to every word he says...........my head is spinning.
There is nothing like liberal doublespeak to set the room a twirlin'..
My head is spinning.
-Tommy
Amen
Do you realize how DUMB you ARE? You just have no ability whatsoever to see anything outside the context of a false dichotomy can you? Its not really hard to understand at all. The COUNTRY would be better off if he began to sell shoes. THAT isnt going to happen. So he may as well be helping US in the ways that he does, while he is doing what he IS going to be doing. That doesnt mean any progressives like him nor think he is overall good. Until you break out of this simplistic mindset that things HAVE to be this way or that way and there is no grey areas anywhere you will continue to embarass yourself this way. Your post only showed your simplemindedness and NOTHING ELSE
More doublespeak nonsense Solon......excuse me, if I am simple because I can't accept that idiotic reasoning for not being able to make up your mind, then so be it. But you live with your wavering, noncommittal contradictions - it's like being on a carnival ride for me.
And I absolutely love this from you Solon; "So he may as well be helping US in the ways that he does, while he is doing what he IS going to be doing."
Even for you, that is the primo textbook defnition of liberal doublespeak I have ever seen. No sense in grabbing your dictionary on that one, you nailed it!
No it isnt. It is called LOGIC. It really isnt my fault you are too simple to understand it or break free of your simpleminded straight jacket of Manichean black/white thinking so it makes you SEE contradictions that dont exist.
"I cannot believe you missed the context of that "demand".
"You really do speak out of both sides of your mouth. Did you or did you not say "Go Rush go!"?
uh, context Tommy?
What I can't believe is that people put up with you. You're a clever little wordsmith that is always ever so slightly changing things around to fit your current need, all the while posing as some little voice of reason.
Why do you come here anyway?
He's actually a hard-core rightwingnut who thinks it's more clever to do this than just openly state what he believes. He buddies up with people when he doesn't have to give anything away. Like now that Bush is a lame duck he'll join in bashing him personally, but nothing that actually touches on Bushworld itself. He pretends to be joe reasonable but when you really call him on his bs he gets very insulting. You can also see his colors in the way he can't help defending a character like Rush Limbaugh. He's actually been doing this for years. I've wondered at times if it's actually just a computer virus of some sort.
Er...no. I mean this:
In John Dean's new book, BROKEN GOVERNMENT: How Republican Rule Destroyed the Executive, Legislative and Judidial Branches, he opines that the more Limbaugh, Hannitty, etc. go on with their diatribes, the better it is for progressives.
You dont get it tommy. What a shock. There are more important things than winning elections. Coarsening the discourse in America. Lying and spinning so much that a substantial amount of people become either completely misinformed or disillusioned. These are BAD THINGS. Elections arent worth winning at ANY cost. Limbaugh should stop HURTING AMERICA. Some most likely figure he wont and so they are looking on the bright side
Moveon.org should stop hurting America, are you as dictatorial where they are concerned? It's all perspective my friend. Or is it in freedoms, even ones you wish others didn't have.
Nice one Tommy. Moveon.org is TOTALLY dictatorial. And mellifulous. But it's all an amalgam of the contrastic dichotomies and underlying paradigms. Awesome.
MoveOn racked up a half a mill in donations in the last day. Yah that's a marginal organization.
Its not my opinion they ARE. If its yours feel free to tell them so. Did you think you were making a point there?
Oh I forgot to address your ignorant statement about freedoms I wish others didnt have. STOP LYING.
You crack me up, but I love ya anyway.....we go round and round, but you know I think you are one smart guy, even though your opinions are all wet, I respect them anyway.
Have a good evening. :)
I second that, Conchobar. If I recall, it was Limbaugh's mocking of Michael J. Fox's Parkinson's that helped win a couple close races last year.
I say, go Rush go! You're not winning any supporters. The neanderthals who listen to your show will continue to vote Republican, big deal.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
Tommy, is there anybody with a brain cell left that doesn't think he's a raving idealogue? A drug addicted liar, and willing to tell his listeners any rationale that fits, lie or not.
The thing that makes me wonder about you is if you are as I suspect old enough to have had a civics class in school before the Republicans felt it was too subversive to teach to our children, thus you must know who you are defending, and the damage they do, so how do you rationalize their behavior!
Is it about taxes? About too much government??
How about rational taxation, and sincere, competant governance? Have any problem with that???
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
It seems that the Rush apologists want everyone to just ignore him and he'll go away. But the White House uses him and invites him in. Why doesn't the Reppublan party steer clear of him so he will go away? You have to be stupid not to know that answer.
You are more than free to treat Rush anyway you want too. You can stomp up and down every time he opens his mouth, burn your radio, or call him every name in the book - I, frankly, could care less. Just don't get mad at me when it's pointed out to you that he loves it, that the more he gets under liberal's skin the better off he likes it.....and you call me an apologist or whatever, it does not change that, and you all know it......wait until his next wish comes true and that is a Democrat in the WH; he thrived and bloomed under Clinton, the opportunity for more of that has him chomping at the bit.
But vent away, just know you're giving Rush what he craves the most - relevancy and publicity, and more ammunition to call an hysterical liberal, an hysterical liberal.
Tommy, I do not think you are an apologist.
Many times, I have posted that Rush has a SHOW for which he is paid. He doesn't get under my skin because I, as most here understand, it his his job. Fine, as a wise man once said, "EVERTHING IS A RACKET, SOME ARE JUST BETTER THAN OTHERS". But must I lke it, nope, and we agree on that.
I just want to know why the Republans expect the Democrats to denounce anything? My biggest worry is that the White House is directing the CystJockeys and we are just supposed to say...EVERYTHING IS FINE. Don't think so. P.S. Rush will have 8 more years of material once the Dems take the White House.
Seems like I've been chastised more than once for doubting the intelligence of Rush's sycophantic listeners. Well....at the risk of more finger wagging...anybody that believes his crap is just plain STUPID.
Go ahead...lecture away.
"Dear Rush,
I am an avid listener of your program, and was considering voting for a Democratic candidate in the upcoming election because I am sick and tired of the Republican leadership.
I was ready to cast my vote for Barack Obama, however, as you so eloquently point out, his names DOES sound a lot like Osama bin Laden, and therefore he must have some ties to the terrorists.
Also, I hear that his middle name is Hussein and he went to a radical muslim school as a child.
In light of these facts, I will be switching my vote back to the Republican party. Alan Keyes seems like a good candidate! I hope Gingrich decides to run, though.
Yours truly,
A Rush Fan
(And I mean Limpbaugh, not the prog-rock band from Canada, who actually kinda rocks)"
/sarcasm
Osama bin Laden is willing to attack al Qaeda terrorists hiding in the mountains on the Pak/Afghan border if Pakistan doesn't do it?
Why isn't this headlined all over the world?
I think Rush is joking again when he says Osama is on the same page as America.
Leave it to a dishonest drug addict to take an incredibly volatile, complicated issue and lie about it, distort it, and oversimplify it as another excuse to childishly mock Obama’s name.What an amazing insight this man has. What amazing intelligence we bear witness to. What a wonderful contribution he makes as the radio flagship of the conservative right. You righties must be so proud.
Last time I posted this, it got flagged, but since this thread is about sophomoric comparisons, I'll try it again. Next time they show a picture of Ahmadinejad on the news, look closely and see if you can see a striking resemblance to a certain western leader. Maybe it's just me, but I think the right two pictures of them would make a great "Separated at birth?" poster.
Here's a good one for comparison.
[link to msnbcmedia1.msn.com]
Holy cow! You're right. Shave the beard, put a cowboy hat on, and you've got yourself a beady-eyed tyrant who invades other countries and doesn't speak english very well!
Have we ever seen both in the same place at the same time? Hmmmm.....
Gday class. Furst we gonna talk bout nucler fishin. Nurse July will be availible if anyone's medication needs adjewdistment or fershining.(hic)
What's that? Well der Schinfter always appears with a paper bag over his head. They change him every other week. Thats what I think,but they don't pay me to.... think.
ahh, rush, documented to be right 97% of the time. to bad he's only correct 3% of the time
"There was some kind of story a while back about him being involved in sex with an underage prostitute in another country or something like that. It came and went very quickly, so I don't recall any of the details, or how credible it was. Maybe somebody on here can refresh our memory.
The question arose when Limbaugh tried to get back into this country carrying Viagra that wasn't presccribed in his name.
People wondered why he needed the wonder drug when his entourage didn't include any female companions.
I report you decide.
I get it Obama. Taking action against high value terrorist targets in Afghanistan isn't to mean we'll invade and fight these guys, it means we'll simply bomb the hell out of 'em!
No?
Maybe he meant, we'll go over to the border, toss money into Pakistan, thereby investing in their industry, and talk to them about hope. I wonder which Obama supporter will be the first in Pakistan to wander around the border spreading Obama's 'good vibes'?
Gotta love the liberal double speak!
Can somebody translate this comment for me? Sorry, I went to college.
Maybe Obama can explain it to you? If you can find out what he meant with his non-invasion speech, please let us know.
AA,
Are you saying you agree with Rush on this one?
Fried,
Well, I recognize that Obama stepped in it when he made that comment. His inexperience showed as he was trying to counter Hillary's criticism at the time so he was trying to sound tough but he didn't think it through.
He served one up on a silver platter, not only to Limbaugh, but to Clinton as well.
Frankly, I think Obama gives nice feel-good speeches but when it gets down to the nitty gritty he is a lightweight. Give him eight more years to hone his act. I think then he'll be ready. My guess is he'll be Hillary's VP nominee unless the campaigning gets ugly.
AA,
I appreciate the response, but I fail to get your initial comment about "liberal double speak."
Plus, you didn't really answer my question: Do you agree with Rush on this one?
Thanks!
Fried,
Sorry for the confusion. The liberal double-speak two which I referred is in reference to Obama's original comment.
He's says if elected he could be taking action inside of Pakistan but says he's not invading. Uh.. ok.
I think like many comments posted here by Rush, that they are taken way to seriously. I viewed it as a simple jibe toward Obama. So to answer your question, no of course I don't believe Obama and Osama are not on the same page. Hope that clears things up.
two which? sheesh. sorry.
Thanks, AA. That does clear it up. I don't necessarily agree, but it does clear it up.
As far as Rush's comments being taken "way too seriously," well, when he starts actually being funny humorous and not funny whoa, let me know ;)
fried,
As we all know, like beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there is no accounting for what each of us might find funny.
AA,
I completely agree. I think the funniest thing Limbaugh ever said (or currently says) is that he is "America's Anchorman."
AA:You said: Well, I recognize that Obama stepped in it when he made that comment. His inexperience showed as he was trying to counter Hillary's criticism at the time so he was trying to sound tough but he didn't think it through. So, what you're trying to say is, Obama made a mistake by saying we would attack terrorists in Pakistan, whether their president lets us, or not.
Do you agree that GWB should not have gone after bin Laden when we had him cornered in Tora Bora? Do you
oops, got cut off there.
As I was saying, do you NOT think we should go after OBL and other terrorists in Pakistan?
You must hate America even more than the dumb lib'ruls!
Ugh, sorry. That post was a disaster. AA's quote and my response are jumbled up two comments above, sorry if that causes confusion. Just so there's no confusion on MY stance:
I believe we need to capture or kill Osama bin Laden, either way he needs to see justice. Barack Obama believes the same. GWB says as much, but can't seem to follow through.
Micsh,
Not to worry. TGIF!
Micsh,
If memory serves me correctly, I do believe we did go after him in Tora Bora. I don't know if it were ever proven that he was there but maybe he was. In any case it looks like he got out.
I'm not faulting Obama for holding that position. Some have posted that the U.S. has already gone into Pakistan. I don't know. I agree we need to get that guy.
So in my view, it is no that Obama thinks this, but saying it does not help Musharaff, the U.S. or Obama. I think he just Kerry'd himself badly. ;-)
Musharaf is likely on his way out anyway, which will be a relief. His "help" was grossly exaggerated and more often counter-productive. Musharaf is likely a contributing reason why Osama hasn't been caught as well. The previous administration that Musharaf overthrew was much more helpful and cooperative with the benefit of being democratically elected as well.
Although I would agree that Obama's approach to foreign policy is not conventional, it is also quite well thought out and brilliant. Obama has shown he is willing to think outside the box, but not in a Bush kind of scary "let's just throw away all of the rules and do whatever we want to" kind of approach.
Rush's calling Obama's remarks a mistake just looks like spin to me from someone who has demonstrated an utterly complete ineptitude himself with regards to international politics.
I asked Obama to explain his position on terrorists in Pakistan.
He said if the U.S. were to have actionable intelligence that a high value terrorist target were in Pakistan, he might act unilaterally to bomb that target--even if it were against the wishes of Pakistan’s president.
From what I understand, that means that he would pursue a terrorst - such as OBL - in Pakistan, even if it meant stepping on some of Musharraf's toes. Your original comment attempted to confuse his position, but all it did was confuse.
"he might act unilaterally to bomb that target"
Actually, he said no such thing. He said that he would "act." Period. He never specified what that action would be. The idea that he would "bomb" or "invade" Pakistan came from the GOP propaganda parrots.
Well, he kinda said that.
This was the sentence that immediately preceded that statement:
"It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. "
What do you think he means by "take out", like, take them out to dinner?
"It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
We can assume all kinds of things from this statement. We can assume that "act" means bomb, nuke, invade or send a text message. The point is that the words 'bomb" "attack" or "invade" do not appear in his statement, regardless of what the Flying Monkey Liars have asserted.
Nerzog,
Hahaha.. Thanks for the laugh on that post. I wonder if Obama and Osama will argue over who picks up the check?
Must've been a "Liberal" arts college. ;-)
Haha, good joke. I still don't speak neo-thug, though. All I heard was "lib-ruls are bad"
By liberal doublespeak you mean you are too ignorant to understand the English language
Misch,
Regarding our previous discussion, I think here we have found a great example. Not that I object to the effort, but I found this post by Solon to be lacking in wit and/or humor.
But then again, maybe I'm too ignorant to understand progressive's humor. ;-)
Probably. Since you are too ignorant to understand what Obama said and felt the need to call it the usual liberal doublespeech. Usually that is what ignorant rightwingnuts say when a liberal uses something other than the simpleminded bumpersticker no nuance talking points the GOP specialized in. The slightest hint of something being complex turns sychophant wingnuts into masses of confusion. Their natural state actually but they feel a need to project blame forTHEIR shortcomings, along with the sinking of the Titanic, the common cold and fat unattractive women wearing lime green spandex on Liberals so THEIR inability to understand a simple nuances statement becomes usual liberal doublespeak. Is that simple enough for ya? If not hire a small child from a liberal family to tell you what all this means
I don't see anything in AA's post that backs up his claims other than conservatives think Obama made a mistake.
I don't think I will take their word for it. Conservatives have shown they generally don't know what they are talking about with regards to foreign policy anymore. These are the guys who call the Geneva Conventions "quaint" and completely disregard the Constitution with all seriousness. I'm through considering much of what they say with regards to foreign policy seriously.
I get it Obama. Taking action against high value terrorist targets in Afghanistan isn't to mean we'll invade and fight these guys, it means we'll simply bomb the hell out of 'em!
No? "
Are you sure this is what Osama bin Laden was talking about?
Well from what I've read, Obama said U.S. troops would be sent in as a last resort, if the Pakistani government can't or won't go after them. So despite what the war mongers out there may think, force isn't always the best or first tool to be used. Just as Obama said there needs to be a surge in diplomacy. Hopefully the next President we have will utilize this tool much more effectively than the current adminstration. This is a global problem, not just a U.S. problem...we need help to deal with this.
...yeah, and aside from the fact Osama bin Laden is calling on Pakistanis to wage a holy war against their government and install an Islamic Theocracy he's saying the same thing as Obama right?
Where is the congressional condemnation?
Thats right...the Repubs would all vote no, in unison, bringing some of the pussier Dems with them.
Can we demand a resolution on the floor of the Senate - that Rush Limbaugh is calling a sitting Senator, who is a patriot, the #1 enemy of the state?
Can we huh?
Rush Limbaugh is such a moron but it's sadder that there are morons who listen and vote. This drug addict is wrong so often that anybody with half the sense of a rock can see him for the clown he is. I guess that it's wrong to mock a general but it's quite okay to misquote a candidate. After all, Rush doesn't claim to be a pundit. He's a comedian. The only thing wrong with that is...he's not funny. Ridiculous, yes. But funny? No.
What's sad is that millions of people believe what he just said.
I think Barack would make a great president. I would love to see him be elected and watch Limberger, Beck and the rest of the neocon nuts implode the next day. What a joy that would be watching all of them go ballistic. Hilary would have the same effect on them. I would pay to buy tickets to that show.
Rush Limbaugh is a complete idiot so who cares what he thinks anyway?
People, please take a good look at RUSH. He is the "shining" prototype of today's Republican - Fat & bloated from too many lies, water carrier for the rich, enabler for hate & war, protector of evil, self medicated from the pain he causes, his big "cigar" explains all, his penile "deficit" is as obvious as the drugged stupor of his malignant rantings.
People, I mean really! RUSH & the Republican's are greedy, lying, hating, ignorant, killing people. They are the people who whipped slaves. They are the people that said, "To the back of the bus". They said "Women can't vote." They tell people who they can love. Love - something they know "nothing" about. They claim to worship God, but only serve $$$$, "their" $$$$. They always create a boogie man - black, woman, communist, gay, terrorist, "liberal". They always create someone to lurk in the "darkness" of our collective unconscious. Their ideas are bankrupt, only lies & more lies can attempt to sell their empty promises that avoid the "light" at all costs.
People, please remember. "Never" forget. That the founders said it all, with the first three words, a trinity of freedom, words that unlock the chains, words that send the RUSH's of the world to their own private hell that they so "richly" deserve. WE THE PEOPLE. RUSH is naked. RUSH is only an illusion of power. RUSH is the person that put Nelson Mandela in his cell & smiled. Today Nelson Mandela walks free. RUSH is the voice for a long line of failed tyrannts that have tried to stop FREEDOM.Now let's really speak the "truth". RUSH is the step child of Hitler. Dictionary definition of "fascism" - a political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition. This is RUSH's wet dream. This is a world without love. This is a world filled only with hate & FEAR! RUSH & ROVE & Republicans all caught in the swirl of hate & greed. FDR "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".
People, spokesman RUSH & the supporting Republican cast are selling one product FEAR.
People, stop buying.
People, stop listening to RUSH & his bigoted brethren. Stop listening to lie after lie. Laugh them into the past with all the past bigots & fear merchants. Tomorrow begins today. Laugh the the RUSH's of the world into oblivion.
People the trinity is on our side "WE THE PEOPLE".
People, freedom is everyone's right.
Rush Limbaugh is a big fat liar. I know because I heard him lie and I have not looked back since.
How about actually responding to what Rush said instead of using your usual boring, hateful personal attacks? Seriously, all of your insults are just getting boring and repetetive.
Respond to Limbuagh saying Obama and Osama are on the same page???? So Rush the drug addicts makes a rude, personal, baseless, insulting attack on Obama and you want us to REFRAIN from making rude, personal, insulting, attacks on HIM and limit ourselves to the issue addressed. Except he didnt bring up an issue. I know you wingnuts think God gave YOU the exclusive franchise on personal attacks. He didnt. Get over it. When someone accuses you of beating your wife without a SHRED of evidence its true, the proper response isnt to calmly talk about how you DONT beat your wife such a discussion is a no win situation. The proper response is to say HEY I saw YOUR wife in the emergency room last week. Keep trying to convince us why WE ought to pretend rude ignorant insults are cause for a polite discussion, I know it fits YOUR agenda. Those days are over kiss them goodbye. Your Screechmonkey heros start tossing the slime its coming back. Get used to it.
Rush didn't personally attack anyone. He simply made a factual observation that Obama and Osama both agree that the leaders of the Pakistan government should be overthrown. I don't know what's so insulting about a factual observation.
Lol. Except for the fact that Obama never said such a thing. There is no defense for Rush on this one. Putting words in someone else's mouth is despicable. I don't know or care if it is considered a "personal attack" or not, it is a cheap way to argue.
This concept of an 'old Chamois bin left-us', I think it must be a 'wag the dog' straight out of the ministry of war deceptions.
Their latest skit was the joke redubbing of 'Betrayus' by Moveon.org This provided the much needed preemptive grounds for strong words from the White House.
Years ago, most would have found there was something wrong with that whole captured explosives dump just up and disappearing over there in Iraq. Maybe that's how this whole asymmetric intuition turned into the Betrayus chortling of today.
Limburger is no more relevant than another AM radio ad for prostate formula. Isn't listened to, and fails the 'media matters' test. Most of the fluff here tends to.