Fox News' Doocy asserted that Media Matters, CNN on "personal jihad" against O'Reilly
On the September 26 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, during a discussion of Fox News host Bill O'Reilly's controversial comments about a recent trip to Sylvia's restaurant in Harlem, co-host Brian Kilmeade said O'Reilly's remarks have "been blown out of proportion by a group called Media Matters," while co-host Steve Doocy asserted, "I was on The O'Reilly Factor last night doing the 'Culture Quiz,' and he [O'Reilly] told this story about how ... they're on this personal jihad, it seems, CNN and Media Matters, to destroy Bill O'Reilly." Doocy then characterized O'Reilly's comments as follows: "Look, I went up to Sylvia's restaurant in Harlem here in Manhattan and it was fantastic. ...There was no inappropriate language." In fact, as Media Matters for America documented, during the September 19 edition of his nationally syndicated radio program, O'Reilly said, "I couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship." O'Reilly went on to say, "There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.' "
From the September 26 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
KILMEADE: A little bit of controversy on The O'Reilly Factor. Not really if -- on The Radio Factor, I should say -- not really if you listen to it, but it's been blown out of proportion by a group called Media Matters, which they say their mission statement is a 501(c), a nonprofit organization, to report on what's going on in the news and essentially keep the journalists on the straight and narrow. However, they have a little tendency to only watch us.
DOOCY: Yeah. So, last night on The O'Reilly Factor, on the TV show, Bill O'Reilly said that, not only Media Matters, which is a far-left outfit, but also CNN -- Bill says they're out to get him and try to bring down Fox News, as well, because they're stirring up these false accusations, Bill O'Reilly says, for ratings.
And you know what, I was on The O'Reilly Factor last night doing the "Culture Quiz," and he told this story about how they have -- they're on this personal jihad, it seems, CNN and Media Matters, to destroy Bill O'Reilly. And it goes back to something that he said on a radio show not long ago, where he was talking about race relations in this country.
And he talked about his grandmother -- or rather his mother -- and just her perception of black people back in the day -- and, you know, he's the culture warrior now -- and in our culture, if you listen to gangster rap and Ludacris and Twista, and all those people, you would think that every other word in that community is a dirty one. And O'Reilly was saying, "Look, I went up to Sylvia's restaurant in Harlem here in Manhattan and it was fantastic."
KILMEADE: In fact, Al Sharpton was --
DOOCY: "There was no inappropriate language."
KILMEADE: Al Sharpton was on our show the next day, and he said, "You know, I took Bill O'Reilly up to Sylvia's and they treated him like a rock star," and he, you know, he was -- couldn't believe it. And actually, Al Sharpton seemed surprised about the reception he got.
GLICK: Exactly. Al Sharpton was supportive of him, said he's gonna go back on his show --
KILMEADE: Tonight, I think.
GLICK: -- discuss it with him tonight. And I -- you know, this is all about context. I think --
DOOCY: Exactly right.
GLICK: -- this is a very important issue. You know, people now take clips, and then they put them in the context of another situation --
DOOCY: Sure.
GLICK: -- and then all of a sudden, you're guilty.
DOOCY: Right.
GLICK: And that's media today.
DOOCY: Well, it is, and so O'Reilly says if you want the full story, go listen to the radio show. It is at BillOreilly.com. Just one kind of embarrassing thing for CNN, last night they had a debate on this because they figured they'd stir the pot. One of the African-American guys they brought on to make Bill O'Reilly look bad said --
GLICK: Supported him.
DOOCY: "Bill O'Reilly was completely taken out of context."
GLICK: Hmm-mm.
DOOCY: Yeah.
KILMEADE: So, anyway --
DOOCY: BillOreilly.com.
KILMEADE: -- Stephen A. Smith had something similar to say on another network --
O'REILLY [audio clip]: This is ridiculous.
KILMEADE: -- who is a very strong -- he's always talking about race relations. He's a very respected sportscaster and columnist. He said, "I have no problem with what Bill O'Reilly said," but that's for another time.
DOOCY: All right, we report, you decide, as always.
He is given more attention then any other talk show host.
Is MM implying that they are not on a jihad against O'Reilly? LOL!
Please ... MM is obsessed with Bill and is determined to drive him off the air at any cost.
... MM is obsessed with Bill and is determined to drive him off the air at any cost.
Wrong-o. MMFA is obsessed with pointong out the liars and propagandists out there who are misinforming the American public and spreading hate. It just so happens that Bill O'Reilly is one of the worst offenders.
Shoes,
Can't agree with your assertion that MMFA wants BillO off the air - you must be joking? If he were to vanish from the airwaves or sink into ratings obscurity, can you imagine the void left here?
Fighting with the big boys makes you one of the big boys, and gets you exposure on programs like "The Today Show".....can't beat that.
All I know is I'm enjoying watching Meglomania Man go off, so stop raining on my parade.
Can't agree with your assertion that MMFA wants BillO off the air - you must be joking? If he were to vanish from the airwaves or sink into ratings obscurity, can you imagine the void left here?
No void at all, Tommy. Literally hundreds of stupid conservatives are saying stupid things on TV and radio every day. If O'Reilly were to fade into the obscurity he so richly deserves, other stupid conservatives will take his place on MMFA's home page.
Pinching off a Dooce. Gotta love this guy. Between him and those other two aqua velvas, there's definitely a missing chromosome or two. After a good five minutes of their OPINION on the matter, they wind it up with a "we report, you decide".
Bravo.
Wow, us and CNN? What about NBC, I mean Scarborough spoke out against Bill O'Racist too.
Now that I am an official member of an islamofascist jihad, when do I get issued an AK47 and one of those neat head scarfs?
I just shot one of those a few weeks back. My son thought it would be a great idea to take the EMPTY shells to daycare......... Glad they where spent.
yup, the AK47 was probably the best weapon ever made. You can poop down the barrel and it will still fire. One solid design.
I really hope you don't know that from personal experience ;)
Who came up with THAT Quality Assurance test?
Relax Fox "news". Do you really think Roger Ailes is going to fire O'Reilly if he hasn't already? Give me a break.
Steve Doocy asserted, "I was on The O'Reilly Factor last night doing the 'Culture Quiz,' and he [O'Reilly] told this story about how ... they're on this personal jihad, it seems, CNN and Media Matters, to destroy Bill O'Reilly."
CNN and MMFA don't have to - Bill O'Reilly is doing a pretty good job of destroying himself by himself.
You've got that right. If he didn't do anything wrong, why is Fox enlisting every resource at their disposal to do damage control?
"Damage control"? It's called "defending yourself after being wronged."
MM defends the left all day long. Yet when Bill does it, you call it "damage control." Ugh.
In what way was he wronged???
Does posting a quote verbatim qualify?
I noticed Doocy is not familiar with the word "verbatim".
You can keep lying about this all you want. You arent fooling anyone not DESPERATE to be fooled. O'Reilly got nothing more than he brought on himself he was wronged in about the same way a bank robber is WRONGED when he is arrested
MM defends the left all day long.
I don't really see that happening. It's more that they point out lies and misinformation from the Right.
But YOU, on the other hand, show up only when there's some Right Wing blowhard to defend. Welcome back.
"Damage control"? It's called "defending yourself after being wronged."
I guess telling the truth about a conservative is wrong, in the World According to Shoes......
they're on this personal jihad, it seems, CNN and Media Matters, to destroy Bill O'Reilly.
Jihad?
Well I'd be more inclined to say that MMFA has an Olbermann Like Obsession with Billy Boy Fever.
Seriously though, O'Reilly has been exposed as ignorant. Good job MMFA. Now on to other crimes & misdemeanors please?
And of course O'Reilly's buddy's at FOX will defend him. Was that unexpected?
We still need a senate and congressional resolution condemning Bill like they did moveon, so sorry Jeter. Story #1 must stay another couple of days.
Exactly, that'll be next - floor debates and resolutions and censures are not far behind.
DO NOT give them any ideas, will ya?
Sorry, I already made the call to my representative. Unfortunately, it's Cornyn. He didn't seem amused that I wanted him to sponsor another amendment for some reason.
Snoopy,
Thank you so much for making me spit out water onto my keyboard. I hope it keeps working. That was too funny.
Sorry, I already made the call to my representative. Unfortunately, it's Cornyn. He didn't seem amused that I wanted him to sponsor another amendment for some reason.
Unfortunately, Cornyn is my useless Senator, too. Oh well - on to Kay Bailey Hutchinson....
Don't be ridiculous Snoop, Bill just insulted Black people and Move On insulted a general. See the difference?
Don't be ridiculous Snoop, Bill just insulted Black people and Move On insulted a general. See the difference?
Do we have to wait for Bill O'Reilly to insult a black general??
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
Exactly, that'll be next - floor debates and resolutions and censures are not far behind. DO NOT give them any ideas, will ya? / Tommy
Like the Kyle/Lieberman Amendment??
Or one of the many "Support the Troops" gimmicks, or maybe the resolution to condemn MoveOn??
Republicans don't propose good governance, or legilation meant to help the plurality of America, it's corporate welfare, military contractors, and insurance/pharma welfare, along with rhetorical resolutions, and amendments, WARS FOR PROFIT/POWER for the RNC!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
Hey Snoop I'm just happy all the coverage of this story [even by the MSM] finally puts to rest those myths about a Conservative biased press ;-)
Jeter,
I know, four items ago I said I was done with this issue...
But I would like chime in here because you and I have locked horns over the definition of obsession in the past. Given that we now have 5 consecutive items and the entire headline section is now splattered with nothing but O'Reilly, I'm inclined to agree that at least for today, MMFA is obsessed. Normally, this and this are what I consider to be web-based obsession. MMFA has arrived.
At this point, MMFA should just sweep all their O'Reilly/Sylivia's threads together into one piece and issue a statement saying that rather than continue to enflame the situation or any out-of-context misunderstandings that may have occurred in the coverage of Bill's comments, link to the full hour and strongly suggest to everyone to listen to it in it's entirety, fairly, and make one's own judgement.
Otherwise risk charges of being labeled solely an anti-O'Reilly advocacy group, instead of a media watchdog one.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
Otherwise risk charges of being labeled solely an anti-O'Reilly advocacy group, instead of a media watchdog one. / - tommy / Wednesday September 26, 2007 03:48:49 PM EST
This sight has been attacked on a daily basis with the aim to make them out to be the very thing they expose. They have been true to their principles, consistant with the facts, and fair with the presentation!
MMFA has been a website pushing back against all four of the networks, along with the 5 media moguls/media conglomerates with their propaganda, and now they are all in a tizzy when one of their talking heads are exposed for what they really are. What's new?? We see this every day on this website.
It's just a little ol'website, not a TV network, of thousands of radio stations, or thousands of newspapers that seem to be on the same propaganda page!
As long as their using their own words in a journalistically responsible way, the pundit can howl at the moon til daylight, and MMFA will stil be here.
MMFA has only the power the pundits, and intellectually curious give them!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
Pete I remember our debate over what I suggested was Keith's obsession with O'Reilly.
I still think Keith is a tad too fixated on his arch-rival, but I'll agree obsession might be a bit too strong.
We are certainly in agreement today about MMFA's obsession with O'Reilly regarding this particular subject.
MMFA got this out there so even the MSM is talking about it, & Billy deserves to be taken over the coals about his ignorance, but at this point I think it's time for MMFA to move on. I mean how many threads are we gonna get on this topic?
O'Reilly is the one keeping this alive at this point. I hope he makes a stink about it every night. Every time he opens his mouth about this without an apology or at least an acknowledgment coming out, he digs his racist hole deeper.
I personally hope that MMFA covers every delicious minute of it. That's what they're all about.
This is like O'Reilly going out on a rubber raft in the middle of a lake, and CNN and other competitors poking the raft with safety pins.
This is a delicious opportunity for CNN to try and knock down the ratings kingpin somehow, and who can deny there is a strong element in play here on that front. O'Reilly haters will stoke this fire as long as they can, his ratings competitors will ogle it from the edges, and Fox News will stick to their strict orders to defend their leader at all costs. The players are set, question is how long do the rest of us keep watching?
You make a good point, Tommy. Hell, if Edwards and Obama had the gumption to bring down Hillary the way CNN and MSNBC has in taking down O'Reilly, perhaps one of the two would be the frontrunner right now. ;)
I know, I know, awful joke, but that popped in my mind for some reason when I read your post.
If Hillary said what O'Reilly said, I would hope Edwards and Obama would do whatever possible to take her down.
Oh, but haven't you heard, Rick? Hillary Clinton insulted blacks at Selma with her attempt at Black English! Even though she was reading a hymn by Rev. James Cleveland, and was written the way she read it, she still insulted blacks!
Yeah, they try everything, don't they?
A better example of course might be Biden's "articulate" and "clean" comment. His campaign was dead on arrival.
The only way this would be effective is if sponsors pulled their advertising. Unless this makes the evening news I just don't see it happening.
We need to keep the heat on O'Reilly. He needs to admit his screw up, and apologize. He can gather support from Juan Williams, Doocy, Killmead, Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and anybody else he wants, but it doesn't matter. He made a racially charged remark.
I watched him whining on his show last night, saying that CNN deliberately took him out of context just to make him look bad. He then said that one could hear the entire hour on his website and judge for themselves. So I did just that. Guess what? It was worse because there were a few other things he said that weren't mentioned on CNN.
I've often thought bigots don't realize their bigotry. Maybe that's true with O'Reilly as well. He's hanging by a thread and knows it, but doesn't understand why. On last nights show he looked at one point to be on the edge of tears. I have no mercy for someone who has done so much damage to our country. Let the bigoted sexual predator swing.
Although he'll probably retain his job(s), his credibility has been seriousely damaged, yet again, all by his own doing. In the future, Bill, remember the proper order: think, then talk. Think, then talk. Repeat it until it's burned into your brain--think, then talk...
Yeah, no Jihad. Just all the headlining and daily posts so far today.
Wow. Apparently if Al Sharpton or Stephen A. Smith says something regarding race relations that's all there is to it as far as Fox is concerned. Stephen is "very strong" and "respected". I believe he can also read and write. Not at all what you would expect from an African American.
Smith didn't say he supported O'Reilly.
He said he wasn't offended by O'Reilly's comments.
This echoes what people were saying outside of Sylvia's in the ABC News report yesterday. They weren't offended but it's too bad people still think like this in 2007.
Smith went on to say given O'Reilly's background and professional environment he said exactly what Smith thought he would say so he wasn't surprised either.
Someone may construe this to mean support. I don't.
Smith was saying this is what old white guys of O'Reilly's generation are expected to say so what's the big deal.
That's how I took Smith's comments last night, too, Johnny. I did enjoy the fact that Smith and Ridley bumped heads. I knew that would happen since both have HUGE egos and are very opinionated.
"GLICK: -- this is a very important issue. You know, people now take clips, and then they put them in the context of another situation --
DOOCY: Sure.
GLICK: -- and then all of a sudden, you're guilty.
DOOCY: Right.
GLICK: And that's media today."
Sort of like showing a clip of a condom being put on a cucumber while you're teasing a segment about Obama's comments about age appropriate sex ed right?
I love hypocrisy and irony.
KILMEADE: ...by a group called Media Matters, which they say their mission statement is a 501(c), a nonprofit organization, to report on what's going on in the news and essentially keep the journalists on the straight and narrow. However, they have a little tendency to only watch us.
That's not even close to what the mission statement says but what do you expect from a sports reporter playing at being a newman?
That's not even close to what the mission statement says or what MMFA does. What an ego, as if Fox "New" is the only network spreading right wing misinformation.
Here's what the mission statement actually says:
"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."
Was Kilmeade even close?
This is what makes Fox News what it is.
Sorry JohnnyNyc, my writing wasn't very clear. I totally agree with you, and tried to take it a step further: Kilmeade said MMFA focuses on FOX, which is a complete fabrication. And true, their mission statement wasn't reported as it reads at all.
FOX RULE #28456
When you've dug yourself into a hole, get more rightwing twits to help you dig some more.
FOX RULE #28457
When your political party is built on overt racism, depriving non-whites of their equality, and holding presidential debates for whites-only audiences, confuse your base by saying that you're not racist (when it's all that remains of your party)
"GLICK: Exactly. Al Sharpton was supportive of him, said he's gonna go back on his show --
Sharpton was just on CNN.
His primary purpose it to discuss the Jena 6.
He said while O'Reilly said nothing offensive during their dinner he's offended by what O'Reilly said during his radio broadcast and he's going to ask him exactly what he meant tonight.
"As quickly as they had come, the infidels were gone. It was on that day I put a jihad on them. And if you don't believe it, then you'd better kill me now, because I'll put a jihad on you, too. "
Movie, anyone?
Team America, world police. Do I get a cookie?
Media Matters, which they say their mission statement is a 501(c), a nonprofit organization, to report on what's going on in the news and essentially keep the journalists on the straight and narrow. However, they have a little tendency to only watch us.
Kilmeade jumps to the illogical conclusion that MMFA goes after them unfairly.
MMFA goes after journalists who deserve their attention. MMFA doesn't just watch Fox, but they do cover Fox a lot, but that's because Fox is so offensive at times.
Agreed MonkeyMan!
That would be like the mob complaining that the police spend 'too much time going after us'
Nothin' a good ol' fashioned Fatwa can't fix...
Jihad!
Wow thanks Doocy. I didn't know Media Matters practiced Islam - are they Muslim or something? Probably Islamic terrorists? Thats what you want me to decide, isn't it? Isn't it? Tell me! Please, you report it and I'll decide it!
Report? I don't think so. Comedy, yes and I'd feel better about Doocy if he was a regular on the Steve Colbert show.
Yes, but he'd need a new tool in order to leave Fox "News"--TALENT!
Doocy, the subject of this thread, did a terrible job of stating the facts. He begins by incorrectly stating the mission of MMFA and says "woe is me they only watch us". And then his mention of "the black guy brought on to make Bill look bad" is just too precious.
In Doocy's defense he apparently knows NOTHING about the matter and is only repeating the story he was told the previous night by Bill. Great news man huh?
OK, apart from the invective about Jihad, there is some major misinformation here:
"it's been blown out of proportion by a group called Media Matters, which they say their mission statement is a 501(c), a nonprofit organization, to report on what's going on in the news and essentially keep the journalists on the straight and narrow. However, they have a little tendency to only watch us."
He acts like MMFA is posing as a neutral site and they're defrauding people by only hyping on Fox News (Of course, they also bash CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, NYTimes, WashPost, NYPost, etc., etc., etc.!!!). Now, let's look at MMFA's mission statement from their website:
"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."
Oh, look, there perfectly honest and upfront about their goals, and they are working clearly according to their official mission statement!!!
And, why didn't Fox air ANY clips from the incident???
LP, A chickenhawk is a chickenhawk is a chickenhawk.
Remember, kids it's always taken out of context with right wingers. That always explains the controversy. If only YOU knew the context.