Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are "phony soldiers"
During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers." He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, "Mike from Chicago," who said he "used to be military," and "believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq." Limbaugh told the second caller, whom he identified as "Mike, this one from Olympia, Washington," that "[t]here's a lot" that people who favor U.S. withdrawal "don't understand" and that when asked why the United States should pull out, their only answer is, " 'Well, we just gotta bring the troops home.' ... 'Save the -- keeps the troops safe' or whatever," adding, "[I]t's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people." "Mike" from Olympia replied, "No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media." Limbaugh interjected, "The phony soldiers." The caller, who had earlier said, "I am a serving American military, in the Army," agreed, replying, "The phony soldiers."
On August 19, The New York Times published an op-ed by seven members of the U.S. Army 82nd Airborne Division. They ended their assessment of the situation in Iraq with the following passage:
In a lawless environment where men with guns rule the streets, engaging in the banalities of life has become a death-defying act. Four years into our occupation, we have failed on every promise, while we have substituted Baath Party tyranny with a tyranny of Islamist, militia and criminal violence. When the primary preoccupation of average Iraqis is when and how they are likely to be killed, we can hardly feel smug as we hand out care packages. As an Iraqi man told us a few days ago with deep resignation, "We need security, not free food."
In the end, we need to recognize that our presence may have released Iraqis from the grip of a tyrant, but that it has also robbed them of their self-respect. They will soon realize that the best way to regain dignity is to call us what we are -- an army of occupation -- and force our withdrawal.
Until that happens, it would be prudent for us to increasingly let Iraqis take center stage in all matters, to come up with a nuanced policy in which we assist them from the margins but let them resolve their differences as they see fit. This suggestion is not meant to be defeatist, but rather to highlight our pursuit of incompatible policies to absurd ends without recognizing the incongruities.
We need not talk about our morale. As committed soldiers, we will see this mission through.
On September 12, The New York Times noted: "Two of the soldiers who wrote of their pessimism about the war in an Op-Ed article that appeared in The New York Times on Aug. 19 were killed in Baghdad on Monday."
As Media Matters for America has documented, Limbaugh denounced as "contemptible" and "indecent" MoveOn.org's much-discussed advertisement -- titled "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" -- critical of Gen. David Petraeus, but has repeatedly attacked the patriotism of those with whom he disagrees. For instance, on the January 25 broadcast of his radio show, he told his audience that he had a new name for Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), a Vietnam veteran: "Senator Betrayus." A day earlier, Hagel had sided with Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in voting to approve a nonbinding resolution declaring that President Bush's escalation in Iraq was against "the national interest." Additionally, on August 21, 2006, Limbaugh said: "I want to respectfully disagree with the president on the last part of what he said. I am going to challenge the patriotism of people who disagree with him because the people that disagree with him want to lose."
As Media Matters has also documented, on the August 2, 2005, program, Limbaugh repeatedly referred to Iraq war veteran and then-Democratic congressional candidate Paul Hackett as "another liberal Democrat trying to hide behind a military uniform" and accused him of going to Iraq "to pad the resumé." On the day of Limbaugh's comments, Hackett narrowly lost a special election to Republican Jean Schmidt for Ohio's 2nd Congressional District seat.
From the September 26 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: Mike in Chicago, welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER 1: Hi Rush, how you doing today?
LIMBAUGH: I'm fine sir, thank you.
CALLER 1: Good. Why is it that you always just accuse the Democrats of being against the war and suggest that there are absolutely no Republicans that could possibly be against the war?
LIMBAUGH: Well, who are these Republicans? I can think of Chuck Hagel, and I can think of Gordon Smith, two Republican senators, but they don't want to lose the war like the Democrats do. I can't think of -- who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?
CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but --
LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.
CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you -- you --
CALLER 1: I mean, sometimes you really gotta know when you're wrong.
LIMBAUGH: Well, yeah, you do. I'm not wrong on this. The worst thing that can happen is losing this, flying out of there, waving the white flag. Do you have --
CALLER 1: Oh, I'm not saying that. I'm not saying anything like that, but, you know --
LIMBAUGH: Well, of course you are.
CALLER 1: No, I'm not.
LIMBAUGH: Bill, the truth is -- the truth is the truth, Mike.
CALLER 1: We did what we were supposed to do, OK. We got rid of Saddam Hussein. We got rid of a lot of the terrorists. Let them run their country --
LIMBAUGH: Oh, good lord! Good lord.
[...]
CALLER 1: How long is it gonna -- how long do you think we're going to have to be there for them to take care of that?
LIMBAUGH: Mike --
CALLER 1: How long -- you know -- what is it?
LIMBAUGH: Mike --
CALLER 1: What is it?
LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.
CALLER 1: I am.
LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are --
CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are --
CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.
CALLER 1: No, but --
LIMBAUGH: The answer to your question --
CALLER 1: -- seriously, how long do we have to stay there --
LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes!
CALLER 1: -- to win it? How long?
LIMBAUGH: As long as it takes! It is very serious.
CALLER 1: And that is what?
LIMBAUGH: This is the United States of America at war with Islamofascists. We stay as long -- just like your job. You do everything you have to do, whatever it takes to get it done, if you take it seriously.
CALLER 1: So then you say we need to stay there forever --
LIMBAUGH: I -- it won't --
CALLER 1: -- because that's what it'll take.
LIMBAUGH: No, Bill, or Mike -- I'm sorry. I'm confusing you with the guy from Texas.
CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.
CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but --
LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.
CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.
LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!
CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?
LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.
[...]
LIMBAUGH: Another Mike, this one in Olympia, Washington. Welcome to the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER 2: Hi Rush, thanks for taking my call.
LIMBAUGH: You bet.
CALLER 2: I have a retort to Mike in Chicago, because I am a serving American military, in the Army. I've been serving for 14 years, very proudly.
LIMBAUGH: Thank you, sir.
CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --
LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."
CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --
LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --
CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.
LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.
CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.
So Limbaugh is allowed to dismiss the service of our men and women who disagree with the war but moveon is not allowed to dismiss the service of a certain general who uses his position's credibility as a tool for the President.
Soldiers who speak out agains the war would include the ones who wrote an op-ed in the NY Times just a few days before two of them were killed while defending our country.
I suppose they're buried in phoney flag draped coffins. I'm certain they have fake grieving family members.
I'm angry at the vile Limbaugh, and God forgive the right winger who replies to this comment by, once again, trying to explain what Rush meant to say.
"I suppose they're buried in phoney flag draped coffins."
Yeah...right after they died their phony deaths
If y'all are interested, crooks and liars has posted info to request the senate to apply Cornyn's resolution to Limbaugh. That phony resolution covered all of the armed services, so let's flood their boxes with requests to apply it fairly and find out if they have the balls to do that.
I'm on it, thanks Snoopy.
Wow - Lotsa venom in this one - especially for something taken out of context. The article is nicely cut-and-spliced - When Rush mentioned "phony soldiers" - he was specifically addressing Jesse Macbeth. Here is a link to the ENTIRE transcript.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_092607/content/01125113.guest.html
Takes on a different meaning when all is read - doesn't it? He was referring to a soldier who was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Dept of Vet Affairs claim and Army discharge record. He WAS in the Army - for 44 days. He was kicked-out of boot camp. He was not an Army Ranger, never was. He was not a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, never in combat to 'witness the horrors' he claimed to have seen.
Why isn't this on the 'Media Matters' website???
Do not confuse them with facts.
It was ok to call Petreus(sp) a liar before he uttered a word. It was ok for Billary to "suspen beliefe" before he ttered a word. But trot out another lie by the left and all hell breaks loose.
Thank you for pointing out that this entire thing is nothing more than an out-of-context rant by the left to try and hood wink people into believing that the troops have lost faith in their mission. The left wants to appear as though they support the troops when obviously nothing could be further from the truth.
In this case, a "soldier" who washes out of boot camp in 44 days, who never served a day in combat, who never went to Iraq or Afghanistan, who has no standing to speak for the real soldiers, who IS a PHONY SOLDIER is hoisted up by the left as though he represents some widely held view of real soldiers in hopes that no one will notice. It's phony! The left is phony!
Who is Jesse MacBeth? Never heard of him and I listen to a great deal of lib radio. This is a strawman argument from a man too cowardly to own his words.
It's simple, Rush and his gang of Republican party loyalists only support the troops that are convenient to support. Any other soldier is phony.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth
He IS a phony, plain and simple. Even Iraq Veterans Against the War want nothing to do with him.
I find it extremely disheartening to see the MSM take this stuff and run with it like they did without even so much as an attempt at clarification. Are there NO actual journalists on TV news anymore?
Maybe you should subscribe to a paper. Our local one had the article. http://tinyurl.com/2qgw7e
At least Google the name in news before you blather on about "strawman". This guy was a real disservice to US forces with his lies.
What does any of that have to do with MacBeth being a poster child of the pro-peace left? I did google his name and the only people propping him up as anything at all are rightwing hyperventilators.
And that's the point, isn't it? Limbaugh says Jesse is representative of something when in fact Jesse is just Jesse unembraced by anyone, except as a strawman, by movement conservatives.
But you just keep distracting attention from Rush's blatantly disrespectful comments about our soldiers. All these denials and diversions just reaffirms how worried Rush and his gang of loyalists are about how deep he has stepped in the doo-doo
See, the whole point was, the initial context, in this discussion, was that "Democrats always talk to 'phony soldiers' who want to get out of Iraq, whereas real soldiers love killing Iraqis because we can call them terrorists." Since this is indefensible, Limbaugh then lied and said he was talking about this one deadbeat. He obviously wasn't, ditto heads. What he says the next day was not what he said the first.
And frankly, my heart goes out to the first caller, an honest Republican who can see the truth of it.
Frankly, Limbaugh and the rest were wrong about Saddam and al Qaeda, about WMD, about how the Iraqis would greet us, about everything, in fact. So why do they think we should believe them about what will happen in Iraq when we withdraw?
There is plenty of news about Jesse McBeth out there, just do your homework.
I don't believe that the loveable fuzz ball would call a soldier who had returned from combat and a phony soldier even if the soldier had told the truth about opposing the war.
The phony soldiers are the ones who claim to be soldiers but never served or neverf saw the things they claim.
Me thinks that McBeth doth protest too much.
Limbaugh is the one who promotes phony soldiers.
I remember when Limbaugh put on a caller who identified himself as an officer in Iraq. The caller identified his name, rank and assignment. I don't remember exactly what it was but the caller did say he was part of an air wing.
The caller said that the troops wanted to go after the enemy hard in Iraq but the Pentagon was holding them back. The caller said this was because the Pentagon was afraid of upsetting liberals. The caller also gave the general right wing rant about troop morale being hurt because the left in America didn't believe in the war. Limbaugh let the caller on for an unusually long period of time and went on to praise the caller and expound on the significance of what the caller said.
Apparently, lots of wingers were outraged by what they heard and contacted the Pentagon, because the next day Limbaugh said the the Pentagon insisted that he tell his audience that there was no service person in Iraq with that name and rank, and that division, unit, etc that the caller identified himself didn't exist. There was no such air wing.
(Jesse MacBeth) WAS in the Army - for 44 days. He was kicked-out of boot camp. He was not an Army Ranger, never was. He was not a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, never in combat to 'witness the horrors' he claimed to have seen.
Why isn't this on the 'Media Matters' website???
- claskowski19657874 / Friday September 28, 2007 12:47:51 PM EST
He wasn't calling Jesse Macbeth a phony SOLDIER, he was calling anyone who is or was a soldier a phony soldier, thus the plural form SOLDIERS, or I am to except as explanation that Rush hasn't the mental capacity to differentiate singular from plural form, which is clearly Bush's bailiwick?
If he MEANT Jesse Macbeth then he would have said Jesse MacBeth. How difficult is that.
Caller 2: They like to pull these soldiers that come out of the blue and talk to the media
Limbaugh: Like Jesse Macbeth.
But he didn't
You are correct. MMFA SHOULD put this up here to prove what a hypocrite Limbaugh is.
From the transcript:Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth.
See that. Talking about phony soldiers.
In other words, Rush was NOT referring to Jesse Macbeth when he said phony soldiers. Read it again. He used the phony soldiers comment as a LINK to the Macbeth story, a segue.
One had nothing to do with the other.
Once again, right wingers and their arguments prove to be the epitome of lazy, unplanned thought.
Like Rush saying phony soldiers.Randy
he was calling anyone who is or was a soldier a phony soldier,
should read
he was calling anyone who is or was a soldier and against the Iraq war a phony soldier,
All better now.
Randy
Limbaugh doctored "transcripts" and video to make it look like he was talking about one fake vet. Media Matters here has the real tape.
The one who is taking the comment out of context is Limbaugh. There is nothing about this MacBeth guy surrounding the phony soldier remark.
I never stop being amazed at how the dittoheads permit Rash to lie to them and worship him no matter how badly he takes advantage of his gullible audience.
Man the cells of the Limborg are allergic to facts. A vampire is more likely to take an afternoon swim in Holy Water than a Limborgian is to let ANY facts whatsoever into their mindless little worlds whoever this guy is he has NOTHING to do with the Oxymoron dissing troops that disagree with him. If you think this was taken out of context then the word doesnt mean what you THINK it means and I appologize to the word think for using it in describing anything having to do with the Limborg. THEY think it means REPEAT
You are too stupid to argue with. Those of us who actually LISTENED to Rush's program and HEARD exactly what he DID say, KNOW he was talking about the REAL PHONY SOLDIER Jesse MacBeth. If any of you morons actually had the ability to use the brains that God gave you, maybe you'd be able to open your eyes and see who the real enemies of our country are. THE DEMOCRATS AND THE MEDIA. None of them check facts anymore and they are ALL LIARS.
So what you will about David Petraeus and his and MNF's suspect methodology for ethnic violence in Iraq, but it is wrong and juvenile politics to say he USES his position to be a TOOL for Bush.
Now Rush, on the other hand, was FOR being a tool for Bush and Republicans before he decided he to be AGAINST being one after the 2006 elections. Now this year he's just reverted to being a TOOL, period.
And as usual, you lefties leave out the rest of the story. Had this left wing commie rag posted the rest of the comment it would be clear Rush was referring to the soldiers that you left hold up to be the virtuous and forthright, that have been denounced and found out to be FRAUDS. The example given was that of a soldier who claimed to be a Cpl., who claims to have been an Army Ranger, who claimed to witness his own troops burning, shooting civilians, burning their bodies who was bounced out of the army after 44 DAYS. The same so called soldier that you on the left have yet to acknowledge he was tried and convicted for these very things.
Jesse McBeth ring a bell?
John Kerry said the same thing and you defended him to the 'enth degree. His own troops called him a liar.
John Kerry called our soldiers terrorists and that was ok?
Starting off a post with an adhominem attack like calling this site a "left wing commie rag" negates the ability to take anything you say seriously, which is unfortunate because you may actually have something to contribute to the topic. Also promoting untruths like your statements about John Kerry also does not help you or your argument.
So instead I will respond in kind to the spirit of your comment. "left wing commie rag" "? What? MM supports commies now? Are you saying that we are fighting the commies in Iraq so we don't have to fight the commies here? What in the name of baby Jesus are you implying and before you answer, remember being a dumba$$ is not a role to aspire to.
So the fact that Jesse MacBeth lied about his rank, medals, service and what he saw does not matter. And the fact this is what Rush was talking about does not matter?
John Kerry said to Bob Scheiffer and I quote
"And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the--of--the historical customs, religious customs. Whether you like it or not"
But that does not matter.
This site, just like the rest of the left's sites as usual, uses only the part of the transcript that works for them. Leaving out the truth and the rest of the story.
Rush did not call all soldiers phony, he called the ones that have been proven to be phonies, phony. Just like this site.
Fact is, you on the left touted Jesse MacBeth as a hero for telling his story, and it was ALL LIES and not 1 of the left's spokesmen said a damn word.
The example given was that of a soldier who claimed to be a Cpl., who claims to have been an Army Ranger, who claimed to witness his own troops burning, shooting civilians, burning their bodies who was bounced out of the army after 44 DAYS. The same so called soldier that you on the left have yet to acknowledge he was tried and convicted for these very things.Jesse McBeth ring a bell?
John Kerry said the same thing and you defended him to the 'enth degree. His own troops called him a liar.
John Kerry called our soldiers terrorists and that was ok?
American troops did raid Iraqi homes at night. There was plenty of footage on TV. Don't you think people are terrified when armed troops burst into their homes in the middle of the night? What about children?
The right's problem with Kerry is he told the truth. The right believes its blasphemy to tell truth that doesn't fit their agenda.
Doctoring tapes and transcripts is OK with the right though, so long as their guys are the ones doing it.
Could you imagine what would happen if MoveOn.org tried to pass off a purported copy of its ad with the "Betray Us" portion removed and tried to say the right was lying about what was in the ad?
Former presidential wannabe John Kerry still hasn't explained the lies he told to Congress years ago when he said that our troops raped and pillaged in the manner of Jenjis (his pronounceiation) Khan. More recently he has accused our troops of terrorizing Iraqi families by breaking into there homes. He sound like a real patriot to me. He should be spending more time on his bike or windsurfer.
You know come to think of it, he still hasn't released his complete military record. Is there someth9ing there he doesn't want you to see?
Learn to read. First Limbaugh was NOT talking about this guy, learn to read. Second the left is NOT touting this guy I never heard of him and I subscribe to three liberal magazines. Third Kerry did NOT call our troops terrorists that is flat out stupid. I was terrorized by the Wizard of Oz when I was young I had nightmares for weeks. Stephen King novels fill me with terror the textbook definition of terrorize. Neither King nor the makers of the Wizard of Oz are terrorists. LEAN. TO. READ.
AJ,
Purposely parsing partial comments out of context is called lying.
Apparently you guys see no problem blatantly making up stuff in order to smear your political enemies.
Additionally, the hypocrisy of this phony self-righteous indignation coming right after the MoveOn.org smear of Gen. Petraeus is laughable.
Liberals have descended to the lowest rung of political partisanship. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.
Who knew the Swift Boaters were lefties? Learn something new every day...
"John Kerry called our soldiers terrorists"
that is example of exactly what you now complain about. Where and when did this happen. You refer to his testimony in the 70's. Do you know you are misquoting him or are you just a right wing liar. Kerry was asked if he had heard rumors that American troops had done these things. He responded he had heard those rumors. Sorry but that is not the same thing as making the accusation and asserting it is is just smearing Kerry to serve your politiacal goals. Lets try this so you might have a chance to understand. Have you heard leftists accuse our troops of atrocities? If you say yes I can then claim you accused our troops of atrocities. so what is your answer?
JH;
here's the quote - not from the 70's, but from no more than 2-3 years ago, discussing our troops in Iraq. "...young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children..."
If that is the quote you are referring to it still seems like there is not enough context to know what his actual point was. Even from what you quote it seems like you are making too much of the use of the verb in this context. If I were a service man I would not take what you have quoted as the equivalent of being called a terrorist. I would take it as a argument that we should not be breaking into the Iraqi homes because that is acting like a terrorist- and that the Iraqis perceive it as such. More of a critic of the tactics than the soldiers. It seems to me that you want to make sure any one against the war must think for days about every phrase they may wish to utter regardless of the clear import. The same standard is not applied to Rushbo or his cohorts.
In fact reading your quote again it seems like another example of what I cited. From your edited quote, if read literally, Kerry seems to say we Need to be terrorizing the Iraqis. I doubt you are doing any justice to his meaning. it is another example of how a reasonable argument can not be made because it might leave some partial quote that can be misrepresented. You want the antiwar people to argue with both arms tied behind their back while Limbaugh can use brass knuckles in each hand. One should be able to argue for example that the tactic of breaking into peoples houses is a bad idea because it resembles terrorism in the eyes of many Iraqis. One should be able to argue this without being accused of hating the troops as a result. If this is no longer the case in this country we have lost something vital. I try not to do this with statements from people on the other side of the issue and try to stay true to the meaning of what they say. I dont see that standard from the other side.
Yes that is the quote and only an idiot would interpret that as calling soldiers terrorists. People get terrorized by the IRS doesnt make them a terrorist organization.
I often feel the right insists on being an idiot. For example, most right wing poster on this matter seem to intentionally misunderstand the argument herein. The right will state a standard and the left will disagree with it. The right then violates its own standard. the left points to the hypocrisy. the right responds --no you are the hypocrit because you were against the standard you now say the right should have followed. i have grown so weary of this tactic. I do not advocate congress censure Limbaugh for any political comments no matter how vile. I advocate that the same standards be applied to both sides of the debate. This is not the case.
Are the steel drivin man or just a left wing kook?
US soldiers are terrorists and have been in every single war in which they have ever been engaged.
Wake up and smell the carnage.
Morons like YOU come in here and repeat what the Oxymoron TELLS you to think and expect us to take you seriously? You are the Limborg. You have no capacity for independent thought. The Oxymoron was NOT talking about any individul soldier. I never heard of this Jesse guy until Rushing down the drug addiction mountain TOLD you Limorons to go forth and spread the NEW STORY HE WANTED SPREAD. You guys are so sad.
What aboutr his earleir comments about the UK Sailors is that just ok with you patriots?
So, it's ok for republicans to slander the troops if they don't support republican policies, but it isn't ok for democrats to say anything about betrayus. More hypocracy from the right. Surprise, surprise, surprise! Gomer is out of the closet!
Does conservative thought suggest, in effect, that the only ones who can be regarded as "loyal" and "patriotic" are such who, to borrow from the Oceanic police state of George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty Four, "reject the evidence of eyes and ears" and, in effect, pretend to blind and unswerving stupidity and ignorance which can be excused as "goodthought" (Newspeak for orthodoxy, especially the blind, unswerving and deliberate sort)?
And does it necessarily follow, therefore, that anyone holding contrarian thoughts, beliefs or articles of faith ought be seen as "mentally/emotionally disturbed" or "of questionable loyalty"--even if it means being looked upon as "Communists" or otherwise "un-American"? (Such can best be the summary of conservative mindsets towards the "chronically and habitually welfare-dependent," expected to be "saved" only by "healthy acceptance of free-market capitalism as the Great White Father," and an "empowering" such more than anything.
(Knowing all along that those on welfare are less likely to have wise consumer-education skills as make them easy prey for the likes of disreputable retail outlets, including all manner of "liberal credit" retailers cashing in on laws in a number of states requiring bankers to offer, mostly as a social service, a Free Basic Chequing Account.)
Learn the truth, open your eyes.
Not to defend Limbaugh, but I'm almost certain this is a reference to the New Republic's blogger, and not a general statement about troops who are against the Iraqi occupation.
Read it again Dex. It was a pretty general statement. He had just gotten done telling the other guy he couldn't be a real Republican if he wants to stop the war. Clearly what he was saying is that sodiers coming out against the war are not real soldiers. Why would you want to parse that for him?
sundog,
Jesse McBeth is but one of several examples in the last few years who have pretended to be soldiers in order to express anti-war views. Frankly it's a wonder that the left keeps promoting these disgraces.
Or how about Ted Rall? Did mediamatters condemn this cartoon?
http://hegemonic.org/2007/07/14/true-confessions-of-a-liberal/
Have you read this?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200606050007
Quick look over THERE.
"The phony soldiers."
Sounds like more than one, to me.
I hear soldiers call in to Liberal talk radio shows fairly often, criticizing the war. Here's another example:
[link to www.clarksvilleonline.com]
The idea that all "real soldiers" support Bush's policies is another GOP myth.
Won't they be surprised if they lose the vet vote too? Seems these hacks are intent on self destructing the republican party. Maybe when they are reduced to about a dozen senators again they'll get a clue.
Yes and there are lots of phony soldiers claiming to be things they aren't. Rush had been talking about these "soldiers" the entire show. Media Matters conveniently leaves that out.
Ahh but that explains the problems we are having. Apparently only half or so of our troops in Iraq are "real" the others are recycled crash dummies. Explains a lot-- but why would a genius like General Peetrace not realize he only has half the troops he thinks he has?
I disagree. I think he just called a republican vet who didn't follow the party line a liar. It's ver obvious what he is implying.
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CALLER 1: I'm just -- I'm not talking about the senators. I'm talking about the general public -- like you accuse the public of all the Democrats of being, you know, wanting to lose, but --
LIMBAUGH: Oh, come on! Here we go again. I uttered a truth, and you can't handle it, so you gotta call here and change the subject. How come I'm not also hitting Republicans? I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically.
CALLER 1: Well, I am a Republican, and I've listened to you for a long time, and you're right on a lot of things, but I do believe that we should pull out of Iraq. I don't think it's winnable. And I'm not a Democrat, but I just -- sometimes you've got to cut the losses. "
"CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.
LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.
CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but --
LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.
CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.
LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!
CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?
LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up."
Make no mistake, here. Rush's job is to perpetuate the GOP position, no matter what it is. If the Republican leadership decides to pull the plug on the war, watch Rush flip. He's a phony. He's a paid liar, and all of his uber-patriotism rhetoric is bullsh*t.
This caller 1 conversation is so incredibly sad. And important. I think that could be a real time capsule you could use to describe what happened in our era. A guy who is finally getting tired of being wrong about something as important as a war after four years. And he's asking Rush Limbaugh to explain it to him. How can you read that exchange an not just about cry. "The truth is.... the truth is the truth."
There you go. I'm sure all of our usual suspects who berate us for "blaming the troops", "dissing the troops", or generally "not supporting the troops" will tear Limbaugh a new one for this. Right?
Holding my breath....
Nah, this is just like that Congressman a couple of weeks ago who called the soldiers who wrote the NY Times editorial essentially liars, because there is no way they could use such big words on their own.
This is just another typical republican spin on things. Support the troops who say what you want them to say, but if they deviate from said talking points, they get skewered. While Limbaugh is not calling anyone out, specifically, he's talking about the soldiers in general. Most of the troops that I know, personally know, that have been to Iraq now, multiple times, say time and again that they are proud to be serving, and that they're proud to be doing a hard job, but they don't want to be there, and see no reason for it.
Right wing talking points that all troops are republicans, and that they all want to be there. Most will go, and they will serve proudly and honorably, and the reason that most want to go, is so that they don't let their friends down, they don't let their buddies down. It's not about actually wanting to be in Iraq, but serving with their brothers in arms, and not letting anything happen to their comrades. There is a big difference out there Rush-bo.
Why is it Rush didn't go to Vietnam? You know, being a good republican and all, he should have been first in line. But alas, I think most of us know what happened there.
Exactly right. This is a disconnect typical of black and white thinkers, which accounts for the vast majority of Rush's audience.
It is possible for a soldier to serve proudly and also oppose the war. Soldiers are sworn to defend the Constitution and obey their commander in chief. They are NOT sworn to agree with the policy.
Well, the reason rush couldn't go to vietnam was because he had a pimple on his big fat @ss.
Mag, Don't forget, most of Rush's audience is not sufficiently literate to read your post, and comprehend your ideas. I eat lunch with good hard working men and women who like to listen to Rush, because "he don't talk fancy too much". They are ashamed to admit they are illiterate and are often asking me to "explain" some thing they "read". Like the instructions in an owners manual. I've learned not to start any conversation about politics or religion with these folks, as it is impossible to not come across as condescending, trying explain any point of view that is not starkly balck or white, right or wrong, good or evil. They are not dumb, just victims of a rural culture that values hard work way more than eduaction or knowledge, which is fine, some one needs to irrigate the alfalfa and corn fields.
An example to follow your example on this one.
I live and work in somwhat rural North Carolina. In discussing politics with one of the good folks who work on the production floor at my facility, she stated very bluntly that she supported George W. Bush 110% with everything. I said, "I can respect that, but can you tell me why you support him 110% on everything?" Man did I get an earful about how us fancy talking liberals from the Northeast want to come down to the South and change them, and how she didn't have to explain to me why she liked him and supported him, it's just that she did, that's all, and that W was "one of them" meaning a southerner. I of course reminded her that Georgie old boy was actually from CT. THis is when the "discussion" came off of the rails, and the Rush Limbaugh playbook came out, and I was accused of being a liberal so and so (again), an elitist, and, get this, a rich guy who doesn't understand and that I probably drank white wine at night instead of beer.
I can't make these things up.
And surely you also explained how he moved to Texas when he was two years old, and lived there until he left for college. :)
"until he left for" Andover.
There. Fixed.
This is why I could never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever in a million years live in the South. Some awful nice folks, yes, but a whole lot of ignorance and willful stupidity as well. Oh yeah and all that Confederacy nonsense. Jesus christ, get over it. North 1, South 0. That final score is 150 years old.
I thought the south still had plans to "Fourth Quarter" that war.
Isn't it funny that "us" fancy talkin' liberals that came down to the South to change them were all Republicans in the 1860s and on? You know, the ones who "freed the slaves"? Whereas the CONSERVATIVES are the ones who resisted the change, telling all the "carpet-bagger Republicans" to "Go home, Yankee"?
Intellectual disconnect ...
I enjoy your comments magnolia. Your experience reminds me of a comment from an old geezer working at a small town hardware store. A nice old man, very helpful said he really likes Bill OReilly because "he gives them hell."
The man wasn't all that interested in policy or who was right or wrong or even the subject matter. He just liked to see Billo "give somebody hell".
Rush's audience is similar. They are tired of being told what to do by experts. They are overwhelmed by the information age and react by rejecting knowledge itself. "Don't confuse me with the facts, I know what I believe".
Wow! Please enlighten us on the difference between "balck and white.
"Why is it Rush didn't go to Vietnam? You know, being a good republican and all, he should have been first in line. But alas, I think most of us know what happened there."
It was actually an honorable decision on his part. You see, he didn't want to pad his resumé.
I think you're turning blue, Zog.
Breathe, my boy...
Limbaugh should apologize. If there are (actually, no "if")... There are soldiers who disagree with the war, and have spoken out against it. Some pretty harshly. And they are not "phony soldiers". We are all proud and thankful of their service. And while I would guess Limbaugh thinks these callers are just saying they were veterans, the fact remains that he should at least clarify and apologize to any soldier or veteran who was offended.
Keep breathing, Nerzog.
Hey havent seen you for a while. Maybe I just missed you. Welcome back
No "if"s. Of course returning veterans represent the full political spectrum. This is a democracy: people are allowed to have diverse opinions. Below are two links. The first is the transcript of a 2000 Veteran's Day ceremony. The Commodore is reading from a letter my nephew Daric sent home to his mom while he was stationed in Bosnia. This letter has appeared in several military publications. The second is an article about Daric that appeared in the Portsmouth, NH, Press Herald after his return from Iraq, his fourth deployment including stints in Nicaragua, and at Gitmo and the War College. Daric intended to make a career in the army until his stint in Iraq. We are a military family. My son is ex-military; my father worked for the Defense Department for 30 years; my grandfather was a career naval officer who survived Pearl Harbor. Daric's father -- my 52-year-old brother -- is with the Army Corps of Engineers and is voluntarily stationed in Afghanistan. We ALL (even my grandfather before his death) believe that this is pointless war that diverted attention and resources from the TRUE mission in Afghanistan that would punish hose directly responsible for 9/11. This war was initiated as a way for the alcoholic ex-cheerleader to prove something to Daddy. Please, if you want to know what at least one young man who has repeatedly laid his life on the line thinks about this war, PLEASE, follow these links.
I am so tired of the chicken hawks (as even Petraeus' CO said) squawking about something that they don't understand. What does Limbaugh know about war? Just what he has seen in John Wayne movies.
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/Barracks/2190/vetday00.html
http://kennebunkcars.com/2004news/09302004/news/40401.htm
Mr. Limbaugh need not apologize. Do we force the mentally ill in this country to apologize for thier condition. Listening to Mr. Limbaugh reminds me of converstions back in the 80's with people addicted to cocaine. If you listen (read) his comments they are just barely coherent. He need not apologize...he just needs to get a job...perhaps an entry level food service position. At least at that he might be able to function with some level of integrity concomitant with his abilities.
Yeah, I guess tonight I'm a hater
And I know some Republicans who really hate Rush Limbaugh.
You can be an active duty soldier and be against the war and/or Bush, but you can not say it. An active duty soldier does not have free speech. An active duty soldier is subject to the UCMJ. Besides there is the soldier's creed: I am not to reason why, I am but to do or die. Like it or not. Have a good day.
"who are the Republicans in the anti-war movement?"
I guess Rush hasn't heard of this guy:
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Nor this guy.
Nor him: http://www.senate.gov/~warner/.
I've been saying this since the first time I saw Rush's TV show way back in the 80's. Rush is a sick, sick man. What makes it so scary is that he has so many people who take his word for gospel.
He's got a great voice and he sounds so sure of himself and relaxed when he lies. He'd have made a great con artist.
You mean he isn't one?
What do ya mean, would have? He IS a great con-man. A lot of people believe every word he says, even though he is, in Al Franken's words, "a big fat idiot."
A big fat man who makes his audience idiots is more accurate. He laughs his way to the bank.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
So this "Pimple Butt" Draft Dodger should carry the water of a policy of Draft Dodgers, Big Suprise!!
I am sick that this is the guy who has unfettered access to Armed Forces Radio, and no counter balance or any access to an opposing opinion.
Why should any service member take this Coward's word for service to your country, he exploits the political process, and has no concept what so ever of public service, or service to country!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
Limbaugh should thank his lucky stars for the Clintons. He'd have a fraction of his audience if he didn't have them to bash for 8+ years.
Absolutely. If not for the Clintons, and the Republican sugardaddies who hated him, Rush would be bagging sixpacks at a Mapco somewhere.
This is neocon dogma:
If you disagree with Bush politically you want the terrorists to win.
If you disagree with Bush politically you're a phony soldier
If you disagree with Bush politically you can't possibly be a Republican.
Sad to say, the truth is -- the truth is the truth
Nice, a draft dodger calling a soldier phony.
What a scumbag.
Disgusting maggot. I spit on him and his conditional patriotism.
His mother was a hampster, and his father smelt of Elderberries! I spit in his general direction.
Shouldn't that be that you "fart in his general direction"?
When it came his time to serve in Vietnam: "Brave Sir Limbaugh ran away. Bravely ran away, away."
Is this the same Sir Rush who had personally wet himself at the Battle for Oxycontin"?
I think he also starred as Sir Not Appearing in the War in Vietnam.
I thought there was some line in there to the affect that "I wave my arm pit in your general direction."
Later, a small shrubbery is trying to get my attension.
The line is indeed "I fart in your general direction." Later on, he says, "I wave my privates at your aunties!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9V7zbWNznbs
So Rush Limbaugh, the alpha male of the American flock of Chickenhawks, the man who refused service in Vietnam by claiming an anal cyst, this is the man who can decide who the real soldiers are? Well I am not surprised, Rush Limbaugh's hypocrisy knows no bounds.
ditto
The ultimate cut and runner smearing the military service of those who disagree him. Surprised? Don't be - he pays a little lip service to the military but has no respect for them at all.
"As long as it takes." The guy really is a comedian.
If you're not pro-war, your not Republican.
Works for me Rush
Rush Limbaugh should be ashamed of himself. US soldiers risk their lives to protect his freedom and he shows his respect but calling US soldiers "phony". Again, because this is the important part, they risk their lives to protect his freedom and he attacks them because he disagrees with some of their politics. Absolutely, undeniably, and unpatriotically pathetic of him.
I'm a pretty big Rush fan myself, but I've got to admit that I disagree with him on this one. Someone isn't a "phony soldier" simply because they disagree with Bush's policy in Iraq. The fact that they're serving in Iraq proves that they are real soldiers just like everybody else. And the veteran who called in who called himself a Republican may certainly be a true Republican. He may take traditionally conservative views on all the other issues. Pat Buchanan and Tucker Carlson opposed the war from the very beginning, and they're certainly both true conservatives. I agree with Rush about 95% of the time, but I've got to disagree with him this time.
Good to hear, RH. I would love to hear that you emailed him to see his response :).
I have to agree. It's a mistake for anyone to think that the "troops" are monolithic in their opinions. Like any group of people, they will occupy the full sprectrum. I'm sure there are some who feel just as Rush claims to...they believe that the only way to peace is to kill or convert every Muslim in the Middle East. Some probably think that George W. Bush is a freakin' idiot. Most probably fall somewhere in between.
Are you serious?
Pat and Tucker opposed the war from the start? Hahahaha! Man, that's a good one. I'd be more than willing to bet both of those guys were some of the loudest cheerleaders, but I don't have the time to go back and dig up their dirt right now.
You make me laugh you silly RINO.
Good to see that you can disagree with sir Rush-bo though on occassion.
"Pat and Tucker opposed the war from the start"
Yes, they certainly did. I'm not sure how you can criticize that fact when you're simply guessing. Pat opposed the war before we even went in there. He wrote a book in which he criticized Bush for going into Iraq, and he criticized him on many other issues as well. Buchanan has always been an isolationist on foreign policy issues. He doesn't like to get entangled in foreign affairs. I heard Carlson on his talk show say that he opposed the Iraq War from the beginning. I don't think he would lie about that. But I'm not as sure about him as I am about Buchanan. Buchanan has never been a neo-con or anything close.
Either he lied or you misheard him. Tucker supported the war in the begining and turned against it fairly quickly but he did NOT oppose it from the begining.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tucker_Carlson
Carlson initially supported the U.S. war with Iraq during its first year
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A53812-2004Jun18.html
CNN commentator Tucker Carlson minced no words last week: "I am embarrassed that I supported the war in Iraq."
Thanks for the correction. I'm sure that Buchanan opposed the war from the beginning, however.
I think you are right about Buchanon. I have never heard him say anything in support of the initial invasion. He was pretty clear.
RINO is very correct about Buchanan - his theory is that the US should take care of itself and stop spending our money helping other nations. This is not a view I share in its entirety, but I do appreciate it more than the rampant nation building that this administration has undertaken.
Gosh rino hunter, that's real big of you. 'rolls eyes'.
That was a well thought out and cogent post RH. I just cant get over that a conservative could write a well thought out post and write in complete sentences.
That really was a good point and not just because it was a balanced post that supports what us liberals are saying. It made the relevant point extremly well
Thank you. And I hope that you realize that I'm not always in lock step with Rush. I disagree with him from time to time.
Let him know that you are a supporter, but he's wrong this time. It's the least you could do. Please, do the least.
See, to me, a phony soldier is someone who get preferencial treatment because of who his daddy is, shirks his military duty to work on a political campaign, and then, years later lies about it and allows his campaign to smear a veteran who not only fulfilled his obligations, but took on one of the most dangerous assignments in the war.
But that's just my crazy left-wing liberal idea.
What is the difference between a "phony soldier" and a "chicken hawk"?
What is the difference between a...
Chicken Hawk and a Colossal Bag of Filth?
The difference, at least in this example, between a "phony soldier" and a chicken hawk is that the "phony soldier" fought and didn't run away.
Since Bill O'Reilly has already used the "I was taken out of context and smeared" defense this week and John Gibson has used the "Soros is out to get me" defense also this week it will be interesting to see how windbag Rush tries to rationalize this one.
It seems to me they're running out of excuses.
Wait a minute.....
I'm starting to hear the "I was only joking" defense.
I've been trying to avoid Rush Limbaugh's outrageous comments so perhaps it's just because I haven't heard one in a while, but this "phony soldiers" comment ranks right there at the top with Limbaugh's most offensive comments. Personally, simply in deference to a soldier's sacrifice in serving in this war I would be more inclined to walk away from a debate with a pro-war soldier rather than taking the risk of spouting something disrespectful to him. I don't think Limbaugh meant that the caller was just pretending to be a soldier (which I'll bet Rush will say he meant)...I think he meant to insult the integrity of soldiers who disagree with the war. Has Limbaugh no shame? Someone should paste Limbaugh's comment across billboards and in newspapers across the country.
I thought it would take at least a few days...
Before someone outdid O'Dirtbag. I guess I was wrong.
Personally I am getting really tired of hearing how *I* dont understand from the very people who were wrong about every single aspect of this invasion. Their record on predicting what was going to happen in Iraq was 100% WRONG and us lefties were RIGHT, and they STILL have the nerve to tell us WE are the ones that dont understand.
Rush was gushing about the "brilliance" of Norman Podhoretz last week...I think that explains a lot.
Here's a quote from Rush's guru:
"Afghanistan and Iraq cannot be understood if they are regarded as self-contained wars in their own right. Instead we have to see them as fronts or theaters that have been opened up in the early stages of a protracted global struggle."
Sound familiar?
I think I understand. It looks like we are at war with Eurasia according to Podhoretz.
So, why shouldn't the Senate pass a resolution condemming Rush Limbaugh like they did MoveOn.org????????????
Let's do it. Call your Senators!
Here is a copy of the e-mail I sent my senator, who, supported the condemnation of the Moveon.org Petraus ad. I think we should all contact our Senators and ask them to condemn Rush the way they did Moveon.org.
Dear Senator Feinstein:
Congratulations on your vote to condemn the Moveon.org "General Betray Us" ad in the New York Times. I think we do need to protect those who serve in our military from media slurs. That is why I am writing, to urge you to enter a resolution condemning Rush Limbaugh for his defamation of our uniformed men and women. On September 26th, Rush called military personnel who disagreed with George Bush's Iraq war "phony soldiers." I don't think any one has the right to call those serving in Iraq, or any veteran, a "phony soldier," just because of a political disagreement.
This isn't the first time Mr. Limbaugh has denigrated Iraqi vets. In the run up to the last election, in reference to Paul Hackett’s military service, he called Mr. Hackett a "staff puke."
If we are to raise the level of discourse in this country, then we need to condemn this type of insult whenever we find it.
Please author a resolution condemning Rush Limbaugh for his slander of our fighting men and women.
Thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
NOW I see why I don't get (desired) results from my communications with elected officials: thoughtful and civil seem so much more effective than my normal address, "Hey, dimwit!"
Alas, I doubt my capacity for civility, and if "dimwit" hadn't already demonstrated total lack of reason, I probably wouldn't have been moved to communicate.
Expect Limbaugh's insult towards some of our troops to get 1/1000th of the coverage received by the Moveon ad in the mainstream media.
Great point...
Truthseeker
I'll be surprised if it gets any coverage at all.
Story is picking up steam...
[link to news.google.com]
Quoting Rush: "'Save the -- keep the troops safe' or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people."
He's saying that, intellectually, he can't grasp why somebody would be opposed to the deaths of innocent people.
Beautiful, Rush. Just beautiful.
Now, would you care to explain, with support, your position on abortion rights? I'll just keep in mind that you're unable to comprehend or understand the value of a human life.
Mediamatters has turned to frivol. I had such hopes.
OMG!!! It's the return of WRITINGINCOHERENCE! Get ready for a load of written babble folks.
I saw him elswhere and was wondering.
If a Democrat had said this the media would be all over it and the congressional Repubs would be writing a resolution to condemn as we speak. What a double standard. .
They took Imus off the Air for the racist comment he made.
In MY opinion (yes, I am a Vet) this is worse.
It'snot only an attempt to squelch anti-war speech, it belittles our soldiers, sailors Marines and Air Force troops that are serving with pride.
The eloquence of the op-ed piece by those seven soldiers shows that they are well informed and realistic about what is going on over there.
Yet not once did they make any comment that could be construed that they were not doing their duty.
They expressed an HONEST opinion.
And for this, this fat drug addict calls them "Phony Soldiers?"
Shame is too light a word for this type of action.
BUT, hey he's Bush's buddy. So it will go unremarked.
Double shame!!
Off Topic: Anyone else here think that CNN calling Juan Williams. An African-American, a "happy Negro"is wrong? I don't see ANYTHING about that here at all.
I think you are all missing one of his worst ones. I heard him around the time the UK sailors were captured by Iran. They were a few in a dinghy with small arms and an Iranian destroyer(?) came up with many more men and large artillery. He called the UK sailors "cowards" because they didnt start shooting at the the Iranian vessels. I wonder- was it OK to insult these men an women who actually are on the front lines because they are just the military of an Ally or is there some other justification nonditto heads are just too stupid to understand? I ask all of you who feel moveon did something horrible, do you join in Mr. Limbaugh's opinion that these UK sailors are "cowards"? If not why have you not asked your congressman to censure him for this insult to our best Ally's servicemen? Do you even have the courage to give a yes or no answer to part I? Do you think those Brits are cowards?
Limbaugh: Phony American!
I remember when I started listening to Limbaugh in the late 80's and thinking how glad I was no one in government would actually implement the garbage he spewed. Then came Newt Gingrich and the slow wave of neo-conism culminating with G.W. Bush. It's really sad and scary how easily so much illiterate arrogance can actually take hold across this country.
Is anyone in the msm held accountable anymore? (Obviously only liberals like Rather.) Does Limbaugh have any conscience at all whatsoever? You'd think by now all the pathetic, cowardly chickenhawks--pundits and Republicans--would be hiding away in disgrace, much less bad mouthing American soldiers.
So I guess that fat blowhard doesn't think any of these active duty military are REAL SOLDIERS either:
Only 35 percent of the military members polled this year said they approve of the way President Bush is handling the war, while 42 percent said they disapproved. . . .
Just as telling, in this year’s poll only 41 percent of the military said the U.S. should have gone to war in Iraq in the first place, down from 65 percent in 2003. . . .
http://www.militarycity.com/polls/2006_main.php
An overwhelming majority of 72% of American troops serving in Iraq think the U.S. should exit the country within the next year [2006], and more than one in four say the troops should leave immediately, a new Le Moyne College/Zogby International survey shows.
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1075
If you want to make Rush look like an ass, simply show your support for these soldiers by joining us in our efforts.
http://commentsfromleftfield.com/2007/09/in-honor
What's? more hornable fighting and dieing in a war you don't support in or fighting and dieing in a war you do?
Limbaugh is another pro war conservative who never served in the military but is will to stay in Iraq forever at the expense of other Americans. Blowhards like Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Coulter and others have zero military experience. They have no idea what it is like to actually serve in the military and fight in a war, yet this doesn't seem to matter to them. For some reason, they believe they are being hard asses who love their country more than other Americans who are against the war. These clowns are what I like to call Yuppie Rambos, meaning they are uppity Republicans who believe they are patriotic and want to rule the world because they fly a flag out of the back window of their SUVs or tell you over and over again how much they support the troops. Well, talk is cheap. And since when does it mean you are not patriotic when you are for bringing the troops home?
What I find odd is all these non-serving gung-ho warriors. I served from 1987 - 1990 and am anti-Iraq War. What makes me different than Rush, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rove and others who evaded their service and yet support this war? I did not evade my service to my country and do not support this war. You want a phony soldier? Try reading the book "Phony Marine" by Jim Lehrer. If you come away with any other idea than the Phony Marine is Bush on the aircraft carrier under the sign of Mission Accomplished, you didn't read the book. He and the others are phony patriots. War Pigs, in Black Sabbath terms; those willing to sacrifice the blood of others while pretending to be heroes. Rush must be familiar with the book, as phony soldiers is too close to phone marine; he is twisting truth and history to make money and gain favor with those who cannot bestow it. Sad, sad, sad. Go fight Rush, if it is such an honorable endeavor, just like you did not do in Vietnam. Real Coward, like Bush and friends.
Hypocrites! Where was your outrage when MoveOn called General Petraeus a traitor? Where was your outrage when Rosie O'Donnell called our soldiers terrorists? Where was your outrage when Barrack Obama said all our troops are doing in Afghanistan is killing civilians and raiding villages? Where was your outrage when John Murtha called our soldiers cold blooded killers?
If you are saying all these things are similar then I point out that moveon has been sanctioned and Rosie apparently punished. What has happened to Rush over a similar "atrocity" ? Nothing. that is what most posters are complaining about -- the double standard. You seem to not even understand what you are reading -- a trait of a ditto head. Most are saying it would be consistent if all the cases were treated the same but they are not. If one points out hypocrisy --you call the pointing itself hypocrisy. Go sit in a corner till you learn what the adult words actually mean.
Now this has to be the lowest point in this whole damn debate about this war.
I sent the Speaker of the House the following e-mail. I hope that others feel the same as I do and send something similar to her.
“I’m calling on the Senate to pass an amendment or uphold their latest one and condemn Rush Limbaugh’s cowardly acts on our troops! Soldiers from the 82nd Airborne in Iraq wrote a NY Times op-ed—criticizing the war in Iraq, and had the bravery to suggest that it was time to develop an exit strategy. Two of them just died. Are they phonies, Rush? Where’s the “sense of the Senate” on this outrage? I totally agree with this sentiment being expressed on the “Crooks and Liars” web site by. I’m a retired US Army Sergeant First Class and I have never supported this illegal war foisted upon the American people via lies and half truths. I am a life long Democrat and I am saddened and disappointed by the meekness of my party leaders who continue to allow this war to continue. When a conservative “spokes person” such as Rush Limbaugh can disparage brave men and women who fight and die for their country then I am even more outraged that this war is allowed to continue. You and your colleagues need to start showing some back bone and not only give Mr. Limbaugh a piece of my mind but the President and his colleagues the same message.As a Vietnam Vet with brothers, sisters, father, uncles, grandparents, cousins who have served in the United States Military, some who have given all and in talking to a majority of them, war is hell.
I come from a large family that embraces diversity as most Americans do.
A pusetulating cistuas drug addled front man should be careful for toying with the end of free speech.
Object and discuss the subject with facts.
Calling people cowards and traitors borders on treason.
Don't you just love when a Chicken-Hawk like Limbaugh calls troops phony? If he had ever served his country in any way he might have the right to comment. He did not go to Vietnam because of an abscess on his butt. Poor baby. Of course, now the location of the abscess is where his brain is located.
I think we should all contact our local radio stations that air Limbaugh and complain about this latest disgusting remark.
Maybe it's time to take a leaf from O'Reilly's book and organize a boycott. Except, of course, a REAL boycott. Just refuse to buy the products advertized on Rush's show and send a letter to each company, as well as the radio station airing this hateful propaganda, explaining WHY we refuse to buy any product associated with this anti-American, traitorous blowhard.
That would be great. But I would have to listen to part of his program to find out who the advertisers are. Don't make me. You can't make me. I HAVE CHILDREN!! Send someone else please.
and he still has a platform why?
Rush could have been referring to 2 things with regard to "fake" soldiers.
First, there were many anti-war activists who claimed to be Vietnam vets, such as Al Hubbard of "Winter Soldier" fame, who were later proven to be liars. Many people fear that this history might be repeated in the current era.
Second, in terms of talkradio, it is simply an established fact that "semina r callers" and other callers make up bogus stories while on the radio which can never be confirmed.
In any case, I don't think that Rush was trying to denigrate ALL soldiers who are opposed to the Iraq war.
On that logic ... Kerry wasn't insulting all military personnel ... just the ones who got out of going to Vietnam and had their daddy's cohorts install them as President ...
No -- that is not what he meant. I heard what he said. He clearly said that he doubted that the caller could be either a vet or a republican because he (the caller) supported redeployment of the troops. Rush then went on to call military or ex-military who support redeployment "phony soldiers." And of course, anyone who tries to disagree with Limbaugh and offer a logical counter argument is a "seminar caller."
Earlier this week Limbaugh expresses surprise that any member of "The Academy" would speak out against Aminijad, because, after all, all academics are far leftist, unAmerican, and incapable of rational independent thought.
Have another glass of Kool-Aid.
There is no such thing as a "seminar caller." Its something Rash and Hannity made up to attack callers who ask questions Rash and Hannity can't answer. Rash and Hannity almost always revert to attacking callers because they can't defend the lies and twisted logic they sell.
If I'm wrong, and you can find anywhere where these "seminar callers" come from please let me know. I'd like to join.
limbaugh/hannity and their blowhard wanabes enabled this bush catastrophe. it wouldn't have happened without their uncontested daily synchronized repetition to tens of millions every day, to "catapult the propaganda", and it's trickle-up effect on the MSM. fox depends on it and so does the GOP.
limbaugh was a steal at 1/3 BIL$ plus bennies. he and hannity and his other wannabes sold the lies, made the excuses, swiftboated the opposition, and continue to enable the GOP politicians denial and hypocricy that keeps the dems from an veto -proof majority and ending the occupation.
the biggest Dem strategic blunder of the last twenty years, since reagan killed the fairness doctrine, was ignoring the GOP talk radio monopoly that resulted. and it would be a shame if the Dem establishment and progressives in general didn't take this opportunity to finally begin waving signs at the local talk radio station and boycotting the LOCAL sponsors of this man's drivel.
PS there's a good chance Mike 2 was calling from the basement of some think tank.
Like the "Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies." Where is that institution actually located, by the way? How many faculty members? Any of you Rush fans care to fill me in? And which stations are owned and operated by the EIB network?
if you've ever had to spend much time listening to TR you might have noticed synchronized use of phrases and talking points when the GOP is trying to force something through congress or push another unqualified supreme or threaten a GOP rep thinking of voting against bush.
and if you listen long enough you occasionally might notice callers that could only be orchestrated.
rush commonly criticizes his opponents for doing what he does- he often accuses the left of distortion, propaganda, media control, etc., but this guy and the TR monopoly is the best propaganda machine there's ever been in this country.
Well, Goebbels said, "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it." Rush. . . the Minister of Propaganda and the People's Enlightenment.
Trank I think you are exactly right in what you say about talk radio. That is the elephant in the room that drives all of this insanity. Look at how thing usually go down. People dont seem to realize that with the control over the 15 hours a week- single voice single viewpoint of talk radio-- liberals have to run uphill and reactionaries run downhill. Until we insist that forums the government regulates must be regulated fairly, we will descend into fascism.
Limbaugh is a piliodal cyst
I'm not sure but isn't this the same Rush Limbaugh who couldn't go to Vietnam because he had a big fat boil on his big fat ass?
The drugs have definitely damaged this junkie's brain. Limbaugh is a loser.
I encourage everyone to call phony Sean's show and demand that he denounce Limbaugh's statements. If Sean refuses to denounce Limbaugh, then every person-including military personnel-should denounce Sean publicly as a fraud and not support any of his Freedom Concerts.
And ask Bill O'Reilly to go to Rush Limbaugh's home and put a camera up his nose for smearing the military.
I have personally known phony soldiers, like Limbaugh.
When the draft called, they used every trick in the book to get out of going into the service. I could live with that, a lot of people felt that the Vietnam War was a waste of good people. But, what really frosted my icing, was watching the same people become self proclaimed super patriots a few short years later. What is it with these people, they have to express an irrational nationalism to compensate for not having served in the military themselves?
In Limbaugh's case, what makes it even worse, is his profiting by his super patriot radio nonsense. May he rot in hell.
Why do we even WASTE any time on Rush? Ignore him.
We waste time on him because he has influenced millions of Americans for decades now. If only we could ignore him.
Why doesn't Limbaugh enlist and go to Iraq to fight his holy war?
I'm sure the boils on his as* have been cured by now (that was the reason he was able to skirt the draft during Vietnam in the first place.)
If he was there fighting on the front lines we could expect a real perspective from him instead of his "The Iraq war is necessary and no one is a "real" soldier if they do not agree with our being there.
(I wonder, when was the last time he has been tested for oxycontin?)
I have tried several times to listen to limpballs but ten to fifteen minutes into it I just cannot take the ignorance and stupidity that this fool spouts out.
A firend of mine and I were talking one day when something was said about limpball, I said anyone that listens to limpballs is a fool. He said I guess that makes me a fool because I listen to him. I said I guess you are!
Let's see . . . Limbaugh does not support a multi-party political system (only Republican are "real Americans"); he does not support the Constitution, for example in terms of separation of church and state; he does not believe that "all are created equal" (i.e. the "chickification of the media" and various racial slurs; he refuses to put on a uniform to serve the country or to volunteer for VISTA or any other service organization; he attacks those who DO serve their country, even if they do not agree with all aministation policies; he wants to stifle freedom of speech and of the press. Sounds like a phony patriot to me.
Could someone ask Rush What’s more honorable fighting and dieing for a war you don’t support, or fighting and dieing for a war you do?I feel both are honorable.But fighting and dieing for a war you don’t support. WOW!
I guess that Rush knows what "real soldiers" look like because he got to screen "Delta Farce" ...
Well, ah,well.....ah,.....ah,.......ah,.....
Limberger, when confronted by his silent majority, can't quite grasp that there just might be reasonable thinking Repubs out there who won't carry the water(poison) for Chimpie anymore.
I just called my Rep's office in DC. My Rep, Bart Stupak of Michigan, voted to condemn MoveOn.org, so I called his office. When I spoke to the young male page he lisened until I mentioned that Stupak could lose his job over this, to which he SNORTED into the phone and said, "Sir, if you have anything else further to add..." What a snotty b*tch! If you're a Michigan resident, call Stupak's office, urge him to condemn Rush Limbaugh and give him hell for voting like a Republican! Stupak's DC Office: (202) 225 4735
And just what branch of the armed services did Russ to comedian serve in which gives him the right to speak out against serving members who are stationed in Iraq?
I think it should be John Kerry who proposes legislation condemning Rush Limbaugh for insulting the troops and calling them unpatriotic ... of course, these troops are not blindly following orders because they are talking against Bush's policies ...
John Kerry can't respond because that would be blatantly hypocritical.
No it wouldnt. You are delusional
It's important to remember exactly HOW Rush avoided service to his country as a young man...he had an INGROWN HAIR ON HIS ASS..
documented here:
http://www.snopes.com/military/limbaugh.asp
Tell the world.
Tell the world about Rush's ass? Man you are cruel.
I would like to see our members in the senate take it one step further to drafting a resolution denouncing these hateful attacks on our war veterans, just like Crazy Cornyn's resolution to condemn MoveOn.org.
Limbaugh openly admitted that he is a "water-carrier" for the repubs and this Admin. He's an admitted shill which gives him no credibility whatsoever.....kinda like the people he's shilling for.
I wouldn't get so worked up over what an oxycontin poppin, viagra-smugglin a$$ clown has to say about anything. It's not worth the effort.
The 'phonie soldiers' mentioned in the radio program...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Macbeth
I heard what Limbaugh said. The statement about phony was directed to someone who claimed he was in Irag (Jesse Macbeth, I believe was the guy's name), but Limbaugh found out that he lied about that service. That's was the basis of a phony soldier. It had nothing to do with currently serving soldiers.
And here's the portion you left out....thanks people
This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque." Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
That's a nice try, but Limbaugh said "The Phoney Soldiers" and then claimed he was talking about one person...riiiiiiiight.
The guy is running again, but this time its not from service in the military, it's from the truth.
The guy pays lip service to the military but continues to smear those that disagree with his twisted views.
Did you read the full transcript?
Didn't think so.
I did indeed.
I always thought that soldiers was plural (meaning more than one). Now you may have learned something else but I have a question for you.
Do you think there is anyone serving in Iraq right now that has some sort of cyst on their rear-end?
If so should they be allowed to come home?
Thanks for taking the time.
Why don't you listen to Rush's comment and get your facts straight...FOR A CHANGE!! This is all a TOTAL LIE!! Rush was only talking about one convicted lying PHONY soldier!! Nice try! LIBS OWN DEFEAT!!
Sit down, Francis.
That sting you are experiencing is known as cognitive dissonance. You have faith in Rush's righteousness but he has displayed his utter contempt for thatwhich he led you to believe he holds dear.
The sting will pass followed by numbness.
You can then return to the illusory world in which you feel so safe and warm as a graduated dittohead.
Wasnt a lie. YOU are a moron. The GOP wants American soldier to DIE
You've completely misrepresented what Limbaugh said. Why don't you post the ENTIRE transcript, which shows he was talking about one particular man--Jesse MacBeth, who WAS a "phony soldier" in that he made up nearly his entire resume(and is going to jail for it). And his "phony soldier" comment was a literal repetition of what the CALLER said.
Maybe if you had someone other than a lowly intern research these things you wouldn't look like such fools.
Your weak defense ignores the fact that Rush was referring to soldiers, as in more than one soldier, as in many soldiers as in plural soldiers. He wasn't talking about a solitary man.
Oh would that he were speaking of one man, but then he couldn't use the example of one man's failings to besmirch the principled stance of the many.
Why are you lying about Mr. Limbaugh's comments?
He was not talking about anyone but Jesse Macbeth, who was a phony soldier who never saw the service he claimed or what he claimed to see in Iraq. MacBeth claimed to be an Army Ranger...he wasn't. He was, indeed, a phony soldier.
But, typically, you choose to leave out the relevant portion of the commentary.
You are completely wrong about this.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_latestIn response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth." Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth. LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Your head article on your main page claims "Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers.". I listened to the full conversation he had on his show yesterday, and he was referring to a soldier who had only served in the military for 45 days, had never been to Iraq, and yet made claims that he witnessed criminal acts by other soldiers in Iraq. He was not referring to soldiers who want to pull out of Iraq. He was referring to one soldier by the name of Jesse McBeth, who made false claims about our actions in Iraq.
You either didn't listen to the full conversation, or you are lying:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280009?f=h_latestIn response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth." Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth. LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
More on the lefts favorite "Ranger":
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/09/anti-war-youtub.html
Sort of reminds me of another former sailor who came back and told lies to the SFRC:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3875422
Two heroes of the left. Two proven liars.
Will MMfA offer a retraction?
I have no idea what you are talking about.
You are an idiot care to appologize for being a moron? I never heard of these guys so how are they heros to the left. You really have no capacity for independent thought whatsoever do you? Isnt it time for Limbuagh to tell you what to think TODAY? The Limborg calls
If we ignore Rush he will go away someday. All those who oppose his views should not respond. Let Rush and his listeners be alone with themselves and after awhile they will wilt away. They feed on others objections and negative energy, so let's not give them any energy or attention. Let the Rush-ets have their world of misery and discontent and soon they will cave in on themselves. Self destruction would be a merciful way for the Rush factor to fade out.
I think you are quite wrong. They feed off of each other and create an alternative universe. If you were able to get everyone else to ignore them it might work but they dominate the new cycle.
So I’ve been reading/hearing about this topic so I thought I’d go to the “horse’s mouth” and read for myself. I heard what was said yesterday for myself, in fact I heard the entire conversation live. Now that I’ve read what you’ve posted here and I just have to ask the question do you really believe what you’ve written? You can’t be that stupid so I’m guessing it fund raising time or you’re low on funds and you need something to stir up the paranoid fringe.
Really you guys are worse than a snake oil salesman.
[link to mediamatters.org] />In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth." Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth. LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Wow, I cant beleive how unbeleivly dense youfolks are. Mr. Lumbaugh had been talking about the fake soldiers, like Jesse Mecbeth who are put out front as soldiers opposed to the war. He wasnt calling disenters of the war phoney soldiers. This is truly unbelievable and next to your manufactured orielly scandal, it's obvious you are on some kind of offensive against conservative pundits.
Shame on you Media Matters. you're nothing but a propaganda machine.
No, shame on your for your propaganda:
[link to mediamatters.org] response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
It would be great if all posters actually read and listened to what was said. I heard it and read it and he was specifically talking about one soldier that lied about his service, served 44 days before getting thrown out, and was a complete phony. Grow up about this.
You yourself didn't listen, but choose to repeat Rush's propaganda:
No, shame on your for your propaganda:
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
You guys at Media Matters are absolutely pathetic. If media actually mattered to you, you would try to be fair and accurate. You obviously did not listen to Limbaugh's broadcast yesterday. He did not say what you say he said. Go to his web site, or try listening for a change before shooting off your mouths with innaccurate criticism! Limbaugh was referring to a specific "soldier" who was not who and what he claimed to be. The tactics that you and other liberals consistently take to attempt to destroy the Administration, demoralize our brave troops, and provide comfort to the enemy through inaccurate and ill-advised public statements is reprehensible, irresponsible, dishonest and incompetent. The hilarious thing is that your comments are so uninformed and off-the-wall that you keep "stepping in it" time and time again when the public record displays your actual statements and inconsistent positions. Perhaps you should tune in to Limbaugh and listen to the parade of audio news clips he is playing back today of "leading" Democrats doing exactly what they are critcising others for. It is ironic that liberals cannot be honest about who they really are and what they really believe so as to "fool" the public long enough to get elected. Fortunately, the majority of the country is not fooled, which is why your current "takeover" of Congress is not accomplishing anything you set out to do.
Who's pathetic?
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
The audacity of lies from MMFA knows no bounds. I’m convinced the MM tactic both in this smear of Limbaugh and the one they have in progress against O’Rielly is the tried and tested tactic of Goebbels, Hitler’s propaganda minister. Unfortunately, there was a risk in that tactic which in modern times works against MMFA Here’s the complete quote from Goebbels:
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
The modern day risk for that tactic is simply that liberal politicians and propagandists no longer have a 99.9% lock on the presses, and the broadcast channels. What are the odds this MM tactic is going to backfire in lost votes for the Democrat party in 2008? I put it at better than 50% currently and trending upward.
No wonder the Democrat party and, especially the looney left is in disarray.Old Marine I listen to Limbaugh enough to have heard other instances of his insults. He called UK sailors cowards when they were captured by the Iranian navy because they didnt open fire with their small arms. I am not taking him out of context or misrepresenting his statement. It seemed clear he was upset that they had not offered their lives and created the war with Iran. I ask this of you-- do you agree with him on this point. Were the UK sailors cowards for not opening fire on the Iranian force that captured them?
What are the chances that the only demographic left for ReNAMBLAcans are lying propagandistic idiots like you?
The callers comment and Limbaugh's response on "phony" soldiers is in relation to people who claim they are in the military but may not be. Too often the press is eager to print stories that advance their opinion without checking their sources. There was a story earlier in the day about a soldier who made claims about atrocities in Iraq however it turns out the guy was never really there. Those are the "Phony Soldiers". The troubling thing is that AJ Walzer could easily have discerned this with a little research and listening to things in context. Makes me wonder about the credibility of everything else reported here.
Yet another person who repeats Rush's bogus defense.
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Ouch, this has got to be embarassing for Media Matters. The rest of his comment, which described the phony soldier he was talking about, was left out of this story. Perhaps the intern who wrote it was in a hurry, or lazy. I hope that Media Matters didn't leave this important text out on purpose. Your credibility has been severely damaged by this one. The best thing to do is to print a retraction and an apology right away to save face. By not doing so, people would have no choice but to come to the conclusion that Media Matters purposely distorted the truth.
I'll be checking back later to see if you have corrected this horribly embarassing mistake.
No, this has got to be embarrassing to Rushbots.
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
What the hell are you doing? RUSH LIMBAUGH DID NOT REFER TO SOLDIER WHO DISAGREE WITH THE WAR EFFORT AS PHONY SOLDIERS!!! He referred to ONE single, lobely, sorry-ass LOSER as a phony soldier. And he IS RIGHT! The one he was talking about did not even make it through boot camp! He NEVER SERVED!
And Rush is absolutely right to question the so-called patriotism of the democrats who want America to abandon the Iraqi people and lose this struggle against the Islamo-fascists.
One would assume that you people would want to advance the cause of the democrat party. But your blatant disregard for the truth has the exact opposite effect. I, for one, can not trust your judgement when you go slandering Rush Limbaugh with such blatant disregard for the truth.
Screw all of you.
Ah, but Rush did refer to all soldiers.
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
The rest of your post is just a rant.
Good job, pants!!!
Thanks! Each Rushbot has the same exact excuse. Each one apparently believe Rush's lie.
Wow. What idiot neocon website did you roaches come from... or is this the case of multiple identities spamming a form?
Pretty embarrasing when a bunch of neocons take over your own blog. Maybe better luck on a different thread? How about one attacking O'Rielly?
Tough times for libs on MMFA. The major Democrat party presidential candidates have all just said they probably won't get out of Iraq for another four or more years - not as soon as they take the oath as they promised a few months back.
I'm curious...why didn't Limbaugh (supporter of everything patriotic) serve in Vietnam?
What do you think was the reason and is any reason just fine and dandy with you? It could of been other priorities, a pimple on his ass, I don't know, what was it?
Thanks a bunch there old marine.
Read his book, it is public knowledge.
Not really. His father served with the exact same boil on his butt condition. The Limborg proves again they have no capacity for independent thought
I didnt realize that military service was a prerequisite for patriotism. That will come as a surprise to many dems in congress.
I didn't either.
Care to answer the questions?
Hey Old Marine. You must be listening to Rush clean up his comment like I am. I imagine we do this becuase we are more interested in the truth than in propoganda. As for "phony soldier" I suppose you could give Rush the benefit of the doubt but I do not and I want to tell you why.
Approximately three years ago in the heat of the '04 presidential campaign a report came out that shook the Bush administration to it's core. The report was that huge Iraqi weapon caches had been or were being left unguarded and unknown persons (this was before the word "Insurgent" was a part of the American lexicon) were pilfering those armaments for unknown but suspicious purposes (this was before the acronym IED was as common as SUV).
I was wathing, I think it was CNN and listening to Rush on the Radio. I know it's odd but I did listen to Rush regularly and this is well before I had ever even heard of Media Matters. But anyway, I'm watching TV, and Donald Rumsfeld starts a press briefing. Now, Rush cuts to the briefing and is basically simulcasting the briefing. In the briefing they bring out an EOD (explosive ordinance disposal) Master Chief. Man did he look like a deeer in the headlights. Master Chief was describing how they were securing certain Iraqi weapon sites...And that is when Rush cut from the briefing "Cut it there, that's all I need to hear folks", I will never forget those words.
Well, I still had the TV on and the Master Chief went on to describe how there were other sites within his view that they could not secure and yes those were being pilfered. But he explained he was not responsible for those and while he contacted his CO there was simply nothing he could do about it.
Old Marine, I wanted to jump out of my skin. Rush purposefully cut from the briefing when it was conveneint and unless you were watching the briefing live like I was, you would have thought here goes the "drive by media" again.
Now we know who Rush Limbaugh was "carrying the water for." And as I sit here writng this I am listening to Rush Limbaugh talk about how HE, HE, HE supports the troops more than anyone else. Well folks dont you beileve it, Rush supports Rush and his house in Baco Raton. The rest of us are along for the ride. I can not type anymore, this really hurts.
What is embarassing is how STUPID the Limborg are and how the ReNAMBLAcan candidates are all favoring the we are trying to get as many Americans killed as we possibly can policy
Been drinking the MMFA Kool-aid again. Maybe instead of buying the lies being told on MMFA, you should find out for yourself.
What the so-called "neocons" here are saying is the truth, unlike what Media Matters has put out for Liberal talking points.
Too bad, so sad and so gullible.
Apparetnly you don't know what truth is:
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
While we're at it let's not forget the lies of Jimmy Massey. Yep your guys at MMFA have really got your ducks in a row.
Mr. Funnymanpants,
Continuous repetition of lies, no matter how ill intended will not turn them into facts and all who have payed attention to the issue know the facts and they are not as you have attempted to portray them not in this case nor in the case of O'Reilly's supposed racist comments, again taken out of context, again distorted, we know that you David Brock and Jamison Foser are the single largest source of lies in America today (except maybe those coming from the Democrat party on the floor of the House and Senate).
You are just George Soros' mouthpieces, and we all know that you are funded by him and were set up by the Clinton propaganda machine.
You somehow mistake dogmatic repetition for truth-telling.
it won't sell, and even you cannnot prevent the truth from getting out.
You wouldnt know the truth if it slapped your face, stole your wallet, and urinated on your shoes.
Just trying to educate the masses. From the looks of this site we appear to have alot of work ahead of us.
Your willful ignorance - and pride in your ability to let party rule over country - must be a shame to your civics teachers.
Assuming, of course, you've even had one.
I don't know where the little neoroach army was deployed from, but in this particular battlefield, you can't win without facts, and without logic. If you are anything like your predecessors, you have a fatal lack of both. Enjoy your short trollish stint here while it lasts, boys.
If my IQ ever drops low enough I need education from the likes of the Limborg I will just shoot myself
This is hilarious. Rush never called anybody serving a phony soldier. He was referring to the comment from a caller about soldiers who pop up from nowhere and make false claims. Funny how many of the "soldiers" who marched with Kerry making claims about the troops in Vietnam were also later found out to be "phony soldiers", people who either never served or who were never in Vietnam. Same scenario. Rush would not impugn the intergrity of our troops, unlike Murtha (who said they murdered people in cold blood before they were even tried); Kerry (who said they were terrorizing women and children in the dead of night), Reid (who delcared Iraq lost while troops were still fighting and dying). Where is there apology? When did MM post anything about their comments?
What is hilarious is to see the Rusbot's blind defense of Rush.
You yourself didn't listen, but choose to repeat Rush's propaganda:
No, shame on your for your propaganda:
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Hey Funnymanpants,
Quoting your own lies as proof is not a legitimate means of giving evidence. Using Media Matters.org quotes as proof of Media Matters.org lies doesn't work.
It's known as a circular argument. It's true because I say it true. It doesn't work, never has and never will.
No they werent the entire transcript of the Winter Soldier meetings were forwarded to the Pentagon and they never refuted a word of it. You can repeat what the Oxymoron told you to think like a pro...knowing what you are talking about? Not so much
How stupid do you dittoheads think I am?
It's perfectly clear what Limbaugh and his caller are talking about.
"CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country."
The media never talks to real soldiers.
Real soldiers are proud to serve, phony soldiers aren't.
Real soldiers want to be in Iraq, phony soldiers don't.
Real soldiers are willing to sacrifice for their country, phony soldiers aren't.
You can listen to Limbaugh for 2 hours, 2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months or 2 years, this message isn't changing.
Johnny_nyc,
YES. Real soldiers (and Marines, thank you) are damned proud to be serving America. They love this country. They joined primarily to be part of something more important than themselves and the vast majority of them feel totally unappreciated by all of the crap they are getting from the left back home. In spite of this continuous attempt to demoralize them by the American left, they continue to reenlist because they are proud of their accomplishments in the GWOT.
Now about your interpretation of “the call”: Yes. It’s pretty obvious who Rush was referring to because Rush has been consistently for our military people in every way. He was referring to “phony soldiers” not to real soldiers."Real" soldiers never talk to the media.
Therefore I refuse to believe you're really an old marine.
They reenlist for the huge signing bonus's they're giving out now. They reenlist because they probably would get stop lossed anyway, and then they look like a**hol** to their buddies and the command. They reenlist because these are the best freinds they have and they dont want to loose them. They reenlist for any number of reasons but you and I both know they DONT reenlist for Mom and apple pie. Pop tall Marine and tell the truth about serving or just close your hole.
Right. You are brainwashed beyond belief. I am sure that though more than 70% of the soldiers want us to leave Iraq that they are demoralized by those trying to get them out of Iraq. I bet they just LOOOOVE those who want them to stay and DIE. That MIGHT make sense on Planet Wingnut but here in the REALITY based universe it doesnt. You really have no respect for the soldiers at all do you? I mean if you think all it takes to demoralize them is that Americans are using the very freedom enshrined in the Constitution you must have a low opinion of them indeed you must think they are as dumb as ANYONE who takes the Oxymoron seriously.
The short answer would be....very.
Sure it would IF you were a brainwashed braindead moron.
Missing from the above was the discussion about Army Ranger MacBeth's statements about Iraq and the truth about MacBeth's service.
We all know that story.
It has nothing to do with real soldiers who disagree with the politics of George W. Bush.
You can disagree and still be a "real" soldier.
Limbaugh and his caller imply otherwise.
What exactly do you think "No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they [the media] never talk to real soldiers." means?
Go ahead, try to explain this away:
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --
You've got to be kidding. I'm betting the caller was not a Republican nor ever in the military.
Because the media never talks to real soldiers right?
or do you believe "real" soldiers would never question the politics of George W. Bush?
Real soldiers have every right to question the politics of anyone. But not "phony" soldiers trotted out by the media who never made it past boot camp.
Um, but Rush did smear all soldiers who disagree with Bush:
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Exactly what Rush said. Because, after all, it's black or white world. ALL teachers and professors are liberal, ALL democrats hate America, ALL military members are pro-war Republicans, ALL Democrats are atheists . . .
Huh -- seminar posters. I'll be darned. Haven't had a chance to listen to Rush yet today ("working"), but I bet he suggested that his faithful minions flood MMFA with posts.
That's fine with me.
It would be nice if Limbaugh and O'Reilly etc. would say something other than you need to listen to x hours of my show to understand what I'm saying.
Nicer still, John, if you'd check it out. Might save a lot of time.
Why do I want to listen to a self professed shill for the Republican Party and the policies of George W. Bush?
Rush does not advocate such practices. Thats a liberal thing....
LOL
Right.
That's why a mess of you showed up within 20 minutes of each other. Must have been a coincidence, that's all. It was also a coincidence that Rush had all that Viagra on him when heading out on "Vacation."
Lying is a moron thing which is why YOU and Oxymoron do it so often
BULLETIN:
Rush Limbaugh just announced that his monologue "Anatomy of a Smear" (the first hour of his show today) will be linked to from rushlimbaugh.com.
Semper Fi!
Naturally.
Listen to my show, visit my website.
I don't expect any different.
Old Marine - I have more questions for you.
Was John Kerry a real soldier or a phoney?
What about Paul Hackett whose service in Iraq was aappreciated so much by Limbaugh that el -rush-bo said he went to Iraq to "pad his resume." (don't we all) Was he a real soldier?
What about Chuck Hagel and Max Cleland - please enlighten us?
Thanks in advance for your sage comments.
OM,
Do you consider Rush to be a "real soldier?"
Wow! Media Matters really blew this one!
Read this in context of who the "Phony Soldier" is... a 45 day soldier whoo did not make it out of boot camp, yet claims to have been in Afganistan killing civilians.
Well, that IS a phony soldier, and Limbaugh wins this one!
It is you who did not listen to the whole show.
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Yeah because "real" soldiers don't talk to the media.
I'm sorry but all you people wringing your hands are nothing but tools for the democrat party and the media. Anyone who looks at this objectively, realizes he wasn't talking about anti-war soldiers.
Somebody who uses the phrase "democrat party" is trying to call somebody else a tool?
Sweet.
Anyone as niave as to buy the Oxymorons coverup story as IF it had anything to do with reality MUST be supporting the ReNAMBLAcan party
Neocons,
Please explain the following exchange:
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
That certainly does not sound like its referencing only one person, does it?
Those statements are taken out of context - given the fact that he spent the two prior shows on jesse macbeth you could conclude it was about jesse. you can't say either way - only rush knows in his own mind who he was referring to. he has also brought out the names of other phony soldiers on his show - it is possible he meant them as a whole group. we just don't know. I though have never heard him call a person a phony solider to their face - and a lot of soliders who are against the war have called in before. He is a pretty straightforward interviewer and if he felt that way, i'm pretty sure you would have caught him with a direct, unambiguous comment.
Well, if he explains his reasoning, please post it. Until then, he insulted a lot of troops with that quote.
OF course he won't call someone a "phony soldier" to their face. He would never be that brave.
So, you are saying he was referring to one man as "soldiers." Right after you said that, you said he listed others, so which is it?
Is this the same line of reasoning as "Childrens are learning?"
The Part MMFA left out of their article. Makes quite a bit of difference folks:
....
RUSH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER: Phony soldiers. If you talk to any real soldier and they're proud to serve, they want to be over in Iraq, they understand their sacrifice and they're willing to sacrifice for the country.
RUSH: They joined to be in Iraq.
CALLER: A lot of people.
RUSH: You know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you sign up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan, or somewhere.
CALLER: Exactly, sir. My other comment, my original comment, was a retort to Jill about the fact we didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that terrorists have been using against us for a while now. I've done two tours in Iraq, I just got back in June, and there are many instances of insurgents not knowing what they're using in their IEDs. They're using mustard artillery rounds, VX artillery rounds in their IEDs. Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it didn't really hurt anybody. But those munitions are over there. It's a huge desert. If they bury it somewhere, we're never going to find it.
RUSH: Well, that's a moot point for me right now.
CALLER: Right.
RUSH: The weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're there. We all know they were there, and Mahmoud even admitted it in one of his speeches here talking about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people. But that's moot. What's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working, and all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and your colleagues over there is a great threat to them. It's frustrating and maddening, and why they must be kept in the minority. I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much.
Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth. Now, he was a "corporal." I say in quotes. Twenty-three years old. What made Jesse Macbeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart; it wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. No. What made Jesse Macbeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage, in their view, off the battlefield, without regard to consequences. He told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq, American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account, translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth describes the horrors this way: "We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."
Now, recently, Jesse Macbeth, poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court. And you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record. He was in the Army. Jesse Macbeth was in the Army, folks, briefly. Forty-four days before he washed out of boot camp. Jesse Macbeth isn't an Army Ranger, never was. He isn't a corporal, never was. He never won the Purple Heart, and he was never in combat to witness the horrors he claimed to have seen. You probably haven't even heard about this. And, if you have, you haven't heard much about it. This doesn't fit the narrative and the template in the Drive-By Media and the Democrat Party as to who is a genuine war hero. Don't look for any retractions, by the way. Not from the anti-war left, the anti-military Drive-By Media, or the Arabic websites that spread Jesse Macbeth's lies about our troops, because the truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose. They have to lie about such atrocities because they can't find any that fit the template of the way they see the US military. In other words, for the American anti-war left, the greatest inconvenience they face is the truth.
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It's all about context.
Yeah and the soldier who called saying he was a republican and anti war can't possibly be a republican or "real" soldier right?
Right, context is good, we all thank you for context but I'm not sure that helps el-rush-bo.
Do you think he says these things to get attention or do you think he's just ignorant?
Curious people want to know.
Just give the limbots another half hour and they'll disappear like the rest of their "seminar" posters have in the past.Like most neocons they don't have much of an attention span beyond what Oxyrush tells them to have.What ever happened to that scam he was running,the one where if you send him something like fifty bucks he'll send the troops his book and pocket the neocons money. I wonder how many of them fell for that scam.
I'm still here. Waiting for your lightbulb to go on.
Then why don't you answer the question we have posed to you, how the context of Rush's statement, which shows he did call *all* disenters phony soldiers, not just the one.
Why? You are far to stupid to follow logic anyway
What do the limbots think of their god calling Sen Hagel "Senator Betrayus" back in JANUARY. The silence is deafening, and then they've got the balls to start their postings on MMFA with the word "hypocrites" One doesn't have to look far or hard to see the results of their OWN hypocrisy.
You sould know the truth, learn it. Do not always beleive what your read. SUre this will be deleted, just watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Erushlimbaugh%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ftoday%2Emember%2Ehtml
The term "Phony soldiers", as used by Limbaugh, refers to sevicemen who lied about their service - lies about things such as claiming a rank never achieved, claiming medals never awarded, exagerating length of service, participation in, or observation of, purported atrocities proven have never happened, spending Christmas in Cambodia, etc.
In this case, Limbaugh was referring to one specific, proven liar/Phony soldier. The "liberal" use of [...] throughout the article clearly is meant to prevent Soros from being liable for the slander that "full disclosure" of the facts (full transcript of Limbaugh's show) would reveal.
The U.S. is a worse place with George Soros as a citizen.
I'm glad you cleared that up for us. I don't have the latest edition to "The meaning of words according to Limbaugh" but I'll check the book store.
Maybe you can clear up another question that's just been eating at me since Old Marine apparently won't.
Why do you think Limbaugh did not serve in Vietnam?
Were the following real or phony soldiers?
Kerry, Hackett, Hagel, Cleland
This is not a multiple choice test. Thanks and good luck.Mr. Limbaugh's reasons for not serving are public knowledge and detailed by him frequently over the years.
As far as I know each of the men listed by you are real soldiers. Unlike the man Mr. Limbaugh was speaking of who never made it through boot camp yet was held up by the press as a poster boy for the anti-war left.
Shouldn't somebody be appologizing by now....
Yes, you should be apologzing for supporting Rush's lies. He did smear all dissenters, as we have pointed out again and again.
Just because Limbaugh TOLD you to think that doesnt make it reasonable. The condition the Oxymoron says kept him OUT of Vietnam didnt stop his FATHER from serving when HE had it. Then again THAT is what Rushbo TOLD you to think so as a loyal member of the Limborg you have no choice.
MMFA clipped out the next part of the conversation. Click here and scroll down, or scroll up a tad to see what they "ommited"
Terrific - thanks.
Is there any ditto head, large or small, that can answer my questions.
I'm grading on a curve so not to worry.
Mo....
Limbaugh came to manhood in an era when the nation had a military draft for the Vietnam war. He avoided service by having his physician certify his medical unfitness due to an "inoperable pilonidal cyst" and "a football knee from high school." He played one year of varsity football in high school, and his coach, Ryland Meyr, said later he remembered no injuries to Limbaugh. Those who loathe Limbaugh sometimes describe his pilonidal cyst as "a boil on his butt", but that is an oversimplification. A pilonidal cyst is a chronic collection of pus or an abnormal draining passage leading to an abscess, located in the opening between the buttocks muscles. It is susceptible to infection, which can be dangerous on a war front, so pilonidal cysts have long been (and still are) legitimate grounds for exemption from military service. The peculiar thing is that Limbaugh denies he ever had a pilonidal cyst, dismissing it as "internet bull", though the record is plain.
http://images.google.com/images?q=pilonidal+cyst&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=images&ct=title
Please say "Hi" to Curly and Larry for me.........
Finally an answer. You do know that the ditto heads (and wouldn't we all want that label) won't answer the question. Go figure.
Hmmm...a cyst on the rump-a-roo will get you out of service.
If only I had known. But I do wonder if any of those serving in Iraq have any bumps on their rear end. Something for the ditto heads to ponder...but be careful and don't hurt yourselves...or each other.
Yet his father served with the SAME CONDITION
Hey Moe,
Why Limbaugh didn't serve is as relevent as why I didn't serve.
As far as the four you list -
1. Kerry is CLEARLY a liar about his service. He lied about spending Christmas in Cambodia; he lied about having thrown HIS medals over the White House fence; he lied about atrocities committed by others in Vietnam. Believe his lies, and you buy into a "phony" legacy.
Any dissent directed at the Bush administration is legitimate - however, attacks on the Troops directly (as Kerry did in Vietnam as well as Iraq), close the book on acceptance by mainstream Americans.
2. Max Cleland is a sad story. After having "a few beers" (see Wikipedia), Cleland accidently set off a grenade that severed both of his legs. Cleland surely has the right to differ with the President - I find no accusations by him directed at the Troops.
3. Paul Hackett is a Democrat and trial lawyer - say no more.
4. Chuck Hagel has repeatedly knocked heads with the Bush administration, but I find no evidence of Dick Durbin-like attacks on the integrity of the military from Hagel.
Excuse me? What are you saying about Hackett? Are you saying because he is a trial lawyer, a Democrat and a Vet it is permissible to marginalize his service?
If so, you lose any credibility painting with that broad of a brush.
Thanks but I'm not interested in whether or not you think it's relevant. I'm happy for you.
But I am curious...why do you suppose Rush avoided service?
Think about it and get back to me. Take your time.
Hey Moe,
I'm glad you agree with my assessments of the four politicians you named.
As far as my statement about Limbaugh not serving being irrelevent, I think you misunderstood my stance on this.
Since one U.S. President (Clinton), out of the last six, did not serve in some capacity (drafted or enlisted) in the Armed Forces, it is irrelevant to ask why Limbaugh did not serve. Clinton refused to serve, yet willingly ordered others to their demise in military missions.
If the Commander In Chief of the U.S. can be excused for writing a letter to his Senator or Congressman (and leaving the country) to get out of the draft, as Clinton did, then certainly all non-Public Officials service can be overlooked. Last I checked, the job of talk show host was not an elected office.
As far as my Democrat/Trial Lawyer statement is concerned, I am sorry for the confusion there, also. I do not question the SERVICE of any Veteran/Democrat/Trial Lawyer, only their OBJECTIVITY in political matters. You can't find a group more OWNED than these guys - just look at John Edwards!
DENMAC,
My father is a vet who is a Democrat and a trial lawyer, what exactly are you saying?
C'mon DenMac, tell me why my father is a "phony soldier" like Hackett! Back your statement up or don't make it!
Sorry friedbergboy1422,
I posted a response yesterday, but apparently facts don't matter here, and don't warrant publication.
No, you are parroting the propaganda but it is mostly LIES. Kerry did clearly lie about his service, nor do you or I know if he was in Cambodia in 68 he well might have been and he absoLUTLY did not lie about the attrocities in Vietnam. You have to have a real comittment to delusional fantasies to think for a second he did.
As for Cleland you are just parroting a Coulter LIE about him. He did NOT set off an grenade he reached down to pick up a grenade that WASNT HIS thinking he had dropped one and it went off. You shouldnt tell lies about war heroes then again you guys ONLY care about the propaganda value of what is said and couldnt care LESS what is true.
"...who lied about their service..."
Ah. Then your President is also a phony soldier, yes?
You guys are soo dumb. Rush winds you up and you repeat his stupid lying excuse like it was actually true or even reasonable. Get a grip. The man is a liar and you eat it up. He uses you like a Kleenex. Your a bunch of Limborg who ONLY think what he TELLS you to think. Sad and pathetic are inadequate words to describe the depths of your brainwashed servility
As an off and on listerner of Limbaugh's show over over many years I was drawn to this website by the headline. After reading the initial story, reviewing the information at Limbaugh's own website, and reading the comments associated with this story I now realize how right he has been. You will read things that aren't written, hear things that aren't said, and see things that didn't happen to supports your agenda.
I think it's interesting that the word "real" has been associated with an idealogy as opposed to a factual representation. A "phony" soldier is actually someone who is not really a soldier - not someone who doesn't believe in the mission of a soldier. People will claim to be something they are not in order to give their words credibility. Reference the story of the "Phony" soldier reviewed in posts above" In pluaralizing the term he is simply stating that the media has found more than one of these types and never questioned their authenticity.
This is too easy to figure out. I can only assume you are misinterpreting the actual words spoken because you want to - again proving that Limbaugh has been right all along.
Talk about sophistry. You might be surprised that language acutually has context. Rush meant all soldiers who disagreed with Bush are phony.
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Yes words do have context - and it the context of you own cut-and-paste the term "Phony Soldiers" is used in response to the caller describing soldiers who appear "out of the blue". Anything else you read into that is your own personal conjecture.
Well there you have it folks...this proves Limbaugh has been right all along...case closed my friends.
I'm glad this is over and we can put it all behind us...so to speak.
My voters registration card says I'm republican. But if Rush wants to define the term to mean a person who actively desires to remain at war in Iraq, then I don't want to be referred to by that term. What do we stand to "lose" by cutting our losses and getting out? Would we be in a position to lose that particular "prize" if we had never started this war? Is this thing we stand to lose today the same prize for which we began this effort?
Now, I do believe we should clean up the horrible mess we've made over there. You don't walk into someone else's house, pour wine all over their carpeting and then not offer to help try and clean things up. I don't want us to be there, but we are, and in going there Bush created a problem we should not have created, but should help fix since we did it anyway. But I don't believe we're doing a good job of that. And I don't believe we should have made the mess to begin with. I do believe that our war there has created new things for us to be worried about, which I believe would be smaller worries if we hadn't done that.
Looking up the Republican ideaology in the wikipedia, I do agree with a lot of what that says. Government should stay out of things where it's not needed, and only get into things where it is actually helpful to the people to do so. Small government. Low taxes. I believe we should be prepared to defend ourselves (though I do not believe America had anything to defend ourselves from in Iraq) but I also believe we should restrain ourselves regarding first-strike offense. I do believe in other things, and if any of those make Rush and friends think I'm not as good of a Republican as they are, that's fine, but I see gradients in many things where he seems to see only black and white. I believe people are free to their own opinions, while Rush and Oreilly obviously believe in two things: Their own opinions, and anything else is wrong.
Another limbot dragging out the much debunked "Soros" card because they were told to do that when the truth gets too close the "master".limbaugh has been PROVEN to be a liar time and time and time again. Now the neo's will start with "What about...(insert dem here),well that won't hold water here as this thread is all about their "god" trying to do damage control AGAIN on one of many ignorant comments he's been caught in.neocons set'em up and MMFA knocks them down just as fast and they can't stand it because the truth hurts. Get used to it losers this is only the beginning.
What is it about the truth that frightens you so?
Because it looks like Rush? I'm just guessing here.
How would you know what scares us. You have no conception of what the truth even IS
Okay folks. I am a military mom. I listen to Rush as i commute home, just for the entertainment value. I do find myself aghast at what comes out of his mouth. Don't be shocked to see so many supporters of his today as this site was all that was discussed. So, the deal is this. Rush makes mean fun out of everything that is a threat to HIS party. You know, after the election, he said he was tired of carrying the water of the Republican party because they had no longer acted Republican. He is a mean, and sometimes really cruel person who demeans anyone that doesn't agree with him. I guess to him, I would be a phoney mom. Well Rush, I gotta tell ya, and all your loyal listerners posting here. There are more of us than you would like for people to think. It's because of the spin and the lies that you spin that we find a military on the brink of collapse. Thanks Mr Patriot.
Here are a whole lot of other "phony soldiers" who served. I know that they would all welcome the opportunity to be on your show. I for one will thank them for serving and allowing me the opportunity to speak out toe trash like Rush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drnQ5Pvc6nE
Welcome, NIN, and I truly hope to see more of you in the future.
Is the misrepresentation of the truth the same as a lie?
It's in the same ballpark. Thanks for the question.
Here is a link to a Youtube video of Rush's reply to this posting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY
Enjoy!
Ok, Limbaugh supporters,
Why did Limbaugh demean the service of Paul Hackett?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/28/audio-limbaugh-calls-ira_n_66333.html
This is not about defending Limbaugh. There are ongoing threads here based on a purposeful misrepresentation of what was really said.
I think the real topic for discussion here is why is such an obvious distortion of the truth being elevated? Is this payback for Limbaugh's mirepresentations of the truth he uses against his political foes? Or with the failure of liberal talk radio is this the only way the Dem's can fight back? Like ot or not Limbaugh has had an impact on the political scene. So what is really going on here?
Yes, why are Limbaugh supporters distorting the truth:
[link to mediamatters.org]
In response to Media Matters' documentation of his recent descriptionof service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phonysoldiers," Rush Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "aboutthe anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ...Jesse MacBeth."
Limbaugh then purported to air the "entire" segment inquestion. In fact, the clip he aired omitted a full 1 minute and 35seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phonysoldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.
LIMBAUGH: I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow thesepeople.
CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk toreal soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out ofthe blue and talk to the media.
LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.
CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they areproud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand theirsacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.
Okay, then how come you continue to defend el-cut and runner-bo. That's Rush in case you're wondering.
I'm not defending him - Rush Limbaugh needs no one to defend him. His first an foremost an entertainer, and his hook is poking fun at the left. Do you really think it matters to his well being who is running the country? More people will listen to him in one hour than will view this website in a year. The thing that makes him so successful is that there is truth in his jest - and from what I see here you lefties give him all the ammunition he needs to continually knock you down.
This is about twisting the language to support your point - it doesn't win arguments - it just makes you look foolish.
Considering Limbaugh was referring to the PHONY soldier the left trotted out that turned out to be a fake as the poster boy of anti-war soldiers, what's the problem? Context seems to be lost on this website.
I simply adore the section where the elite folks who post start to rip the south and conservatives for intellectual inferiority. That is rich. The only place real thoughts/ideas/solutions are being discussed and debated is among conservatives (a few of whom are Republicans and, sadly, even less are Democrats). I find as much, if not more, racism and narrow mindedness among my northeastern bretheren than I have found in the south. Idiocy is everywhere regardless race, socioeconomic status, etc. Witness Al Gore. Failed out of graduate school (but did go on to invent the internet, props for that), completely changed his political positions to fit in with the Moveon.org Dems, and became a climatologist. Silly me, he became a climatologist in order to further socialsim and fly around in Gulstream jets. If I would just watch more PBS, CBS, ABC, NBC, MSNBC I might be smart enough to keep up. Pray for me. There I go again. Anyone with half a brain knows that there is no god. But we do need to be open minded to Islamic terrorists and dictators. What are they feeling? What have we done to hurt their pride? Can we give them a hug and make it better? Alas, it must be those evil Christians who worship the true God and Father of our Savior. My liberal friends, there are more of us in "flyover" country than you care to imagine. And my dear friends, we are closer to the earth than Mr. Gore or Mrs. Clinton have ever been. Wait...is that a NASCAR race I hear? Nope, just my SUV warming up...have to run to the gun club!
I like this post.
Have you been drinking?
No, I'm afraid there was no drinking involved (save diet soda). I was on an "evil" capitalist conference call (obviously just listening) and decided to check out the MM web site (based on a mention in the, gasp, Wall Street Journal). I find it very entertaining. I am a former military member so I found the dust up with Rush interesting. How we ever bridge the gap to see the common enemy (Islamic radicals and all who support them) for what they are: a serious and present threat to civilization, is beyond me. No one who has been in the military likes war. But when we are attacked (multiple times) our freedom and way of life is under threat. In such a case I was (and am) willing to lay down my life to protect our freedoms (including the rights of liberals to slander and mock the country and military). In fact, the more the better...shows the true colors!
And mixing in antipsychotics apprantly
God save us from the ditto heads.
John Henry,ASre you the steel drivin man?
Isn't that sooo fascinating? All of these "live listeners" to El Rushbo posted this Jesse MacBeth, magic bullet type singular soldier diatribe on Friday (why not Thursday? that's when Rush blew his cover.)
It's obvious.
All these dittoheads got their marching orders from up on high one day after Rush blew it. Nary a single one of them has the ability to think for themselves.
Wake up. Rush is using you first to sate his lust for power (read as political influence) and second to maintain decision making power for the GOP. And you're following him because Republicans follow their "leaders" before they follow the truth.
Your obvious errors in this story have been pointed out to you for over half a day now, and you still have not corrected it. This proves that truth is not your goal. I now know that what you write cannot be trusted. Shame on you.
Sorry MediaDoesn'tMatter folks. You got caught. All the proof is out there to prove your story is false. You know it- America Knows it. Anyone with an ounce of grey matter knows it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm84gOXkZaY
Apologize and move on.
Wow, talk about cutting and pasting. You can try and try and try, but you're never gonna get him. He under went losing his hearing, a drug addiction, an over blown statement on ESPN, being caught with Bob Dole's good time pills, and he still beats the living hell out of any lib talk show host. Nobody even remotely comes close.
But I do commend you on your valiant effort. May i suggest one of you stage some dead prostitutes on his property?
I think the preceeding thread is a perfect example to the WITH/"ignore him it doesn't matter" crowd of why these things are here and matter.
Oh - as for phony soldiers, I thought they were the ones that left the military for Blackwater, etc. FOR A PAY RAISE.
Watch and see how many of the limbots show up here on Monday. I'll give you a clue: NONE because Oxyrush didn't tell them to.
Sheep
On his best day, tthis far- sucker Limbaugh couldn't last half a day in Marine boot camp. Yet, he presumes to judge who is and who is not a real soldier. Members of the US military, thank Providence, are never required to pass an ideological test to serve, even at the height of the cold war. Only a corrupt bloviator like Limbaugh would suggest differently. I pray fervently that Limbaugh pays dearly for the hideous disservice he daily inflicts on the US public. Semper Fi.
You got it Ron. The arm chair patriots who never served are so eager to demean anyone who either wasn't in the Army or Marine Corp. Funny how people who actually did serve don't make that distinction. We understand it was about way more than that; it is about meeting people your parents only told you about, it is about learning something from someone you thought was beneath you, it is about putting your life in the hands of others and realizing the incredible accomplishments achievable when you work as a team, it is about these and many others and they will never understand that. They just want to sit back and judge. Well that's sooooo easy.
The word "soldier" in the mouth of Rush Limbaugh is like the word "love" in the mouth of a pimp.
Thanks to the fact checker on this story any soldier that comes forth now is going to be lumped with Scott Tomas and Jesse MacBeth. This is a bad as the bloggers exposing the forged documents about Bush in the TANG.
Late last night (late last night in Hawaii where I live) I couldn't find this story on CNN, so I e-mailed it to them and asked why they weren;t covering ths withthe same intensity they covered the MoveOn.org ad. No reply, of course, but I noticed that the story was at least o n the Political Ticker early this morning (ditto the time zone thing). By lunch, of course, the story had dropped completely off CNN.
Why should we take them seriously? Why isn't the Senate and the Congress all over O'Reilly's phony butt? Why is there such a double standard between those who commit fascist acts of repression, censorship and lying and true patriots who cal lattention to the liars, cheats and frauds?
When was it decided, and by whom, that only fascists get to have news in this country?
Here's my suggestion--do what I'm doing--e-mail this article to MSNBC< CNN, and everyother MSN outlet and ask why they ar enot all over it. THen boycott their sponsors. They only understand money.
Amen Ron.
I find more courage, honor and dignity in one single American soldier or Marine than I could ever in a whole party of Rush. I gotta tell you, it's disgusting to me that these people talk about how they support the troops, then at the same time don't support measures that will allow them to be at home for the same amount of time they are deployed; of course saying that we can't do that as a country. WHY IS THAT? Because of people who gave the administration a blank check with no oversight, who have profiteered on the labor of 1% of the american population, while slapping a God damned yellow magnet on their cars! They are dispicable people! And they turn on you the second, the second that you even question the war. Those of us with skin in the game know war. We sadly do.
THE LEFT is unable to compete with Limbaugh in the marketplace of ideas, with his factual precision, and with his humor, therefore tries to destroy him with distortions and lies. THE LEFT will fail again.
Don't you wonder how these manipulating "know-it-alls" sleep at night? It really is sickening.
I'm no fan of Limbaugh, but it hurts the cause of the left to manufacture such stories by clever editing--rather like the way Bismarck provoked the Franco-Prussian War by editing the so-called Ems Dispatch. I don't think Media Matters or anyone else for that matter should behave like Bismarck by cooking up false controversies. Get Limbaugh honestly, not dishonestly.
How are you sure that he was referring to soldiers that disagreed with the war in general, because immediately after he was done with the caller, he brought up an example of a "phony soldier", as though he wanted to elaborate upon what exactly he had in mind. He also used the term when referring how the left gets these soldiers "out of the blue," perhaps doubting their veracity or credibility.
But at the same time, he said he was referring to a particular soldier in the singular, except refers to phony soldiers in the plural.
I really don't know what to believe anymore as it seems there is so much conflicting information out there.. It is obvious that this website and moveon seem to be at war with rush, foxnews, and o reilly vice versa.
I describe myself as left leaning but I would like to think of myself as still being independent thinking.
Anyone want to comment on these.
Who is Jesse Macbeth? And wjy doesn't his name appear on this page about Rush Limbaugh's supposed slur?
Jonny,
That is the most intelligent description of the idiot I’ve heard to date. Thank you.Limbaugh is such a pompus ass. He also thinks it is "Supporting our troops" if you send HIM MONEY to subscribe a soldier to his propaganda. Quote: "Support our men and women in uniform by giving a subscription to Rush 24/7." Talk about exploiting the war for his own direct financial gain. Here is the link:
https://members.premiereinteractive.com/store/28566/45108.html
The comment is interesting.
Another definition of a phony soldier is more along the lines of ones acting in disguise, breaking treaties, blowing up the sea floor to create earth rocking tsunamis.
Phony soldiers create ozone holes and Mars Syndrom.
Isn't that so fascinating? All of these "live listeners" to El Rushbo posted this Jesse MacBeth, magic bullet type singular soldier diatribe on Friday (why not Thursday? that's when Rush blew his cover.)
It's obvious.
All these ditto-heads got their marching orders from up on high one day after Rush blew it. Nary a single one of them has the ability to think for themselves.
Wake up. Rush is using you first to sate his lust for power (read as political influence) and second to maintain decision-making power for the GOP. And you're following him because Republicans follow their "leaders" before they follow the truth.
I think we've El Drugbo wrong. All that shelling in the Domincan Republic, followed by his heavy treatments with Viagra and combined with his left over war wounds from Vietnam probably is leaving him with Post Traumatic Syndrome. BIGTIME!
I listen to Limbaugh very often and was listening that uneventful day and NOTHING could be further from the truth than this piece o' excrement. If this were a dead tree article, I would use it for a bowel movement. To have to resort to this lame smear is just another pathetic attempt of the barking moonbats to muddy the waters.
Here is what Google gives up when "Rush Limbaugh" is googed. 40 articles. Just wanted to read what the othres have to say.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1&ncl=1121399688&resnum=4&ct=more-results&cd=1&sa=N&start=0
I found this one extra special.
http://www.thespeciousreport.com/news.aspx?newsnum=7070058
[I/Snide Remark]Now you have to admit this guy has a real "Sense of Humor" not unlike those comedians in the House and Senate and the funniest one of course the greatest comedian of all time Rush Limbaugh.[End/Snide Remark]
Dear G-d, this is so CHILDISH.
You're so desperate to portray folks like Rush Limbaugh as ignorant or evil that you miss the opportunity to actually DEBATE what he's saying. You may not like it but let's not pretend an article such as this is even REMOTELY unbiased.
How easily the article tells the story of the 7 Airborne soldiers who deemed the situation dismal while not presenting something, for example, from Michael Yon, a former military man/journalist who is embedded with troops in Anbar. He tells quite a different story.
Not all glorious, but not the dismal samples you come up with in your never-ending quest to convince Americans that Rush Limbaugh is a liar. All you're doing is preaching to the choir.
Good luck in achieving your objective, but articles like this are not a good sign. They just highlight a blindspot in your bias against certain people whom would be better refuted through intelligent debate and not the very same biased reporting the company had hoped to eradicate everywhere else.