NBC's Gregory called Democrats' statements on Iraq "surprising[]" -- but they were consistent
SUMMARY: NBC's David Gregory said it was "surprising[]" Sen Hillary Rodham Clinton, Sen. Barack Obama, and former Sen. John Edwards, speaking at a Democratic presidential debate, "would not promise a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces." But Gregory did not explain why he thought that this was "surprising[]," and in fact the statements of all three candidates were consistent with their previous positions.
On the September 27 edition of NBC's Today, discussing the September 26 Democratic presidential debate in New Hampshire, NBC chief White House correspondent David Gregory asserted that "surprisingly, the top three contenders, [Sen. Hillary Rodham] Clinton [D-NY], [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL], and [former Sen. John] Edwards [D-NC], would not promise a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces, even by the end of their first term." But Gregory did not explain why he thought that this was "surprising[]," and in fact the statements of all three candidates were consistent with their previous positions.
As Media Matters for America has documented, both Clinton and Obama have voted for legislation that included provisions for keeping a residual U.S. troop presence in Iraq. In July, the Senate debated an amendment to the defense authorization bill -- offered by Sens. Jack Reed (D-RI) and Carl Levin (D-MI) -- that called for a "reduction" of U.S forces in Iraq to begin "not later than 120 days" after the bill's enactment, but also stipulated that the United States maintain a "limited presence" of troops there to protect U.S. and coalition infrastructure, train Iraqi security forces, and conduct counterterrorism operations. A motion to stop a filibuster of the Levin-Reed proposal garnered 52 votes on July 18, including Clinton's and Obama's.
Additionally, earlier this year, the Senate, with Clinton and Obama's support, passed an emergency supplemental funding bill that would have required the "Secretary [of Defense] ... [to] commence such redeployment no later than October 1, 2007, with a goal of completing that redeployment within 180 days." It also contained a provision to:
Prohibit[] the Secretary, after the appropriate redeployment period, from deploying or maintaining members of the Armed Forces in Iraq for any purpose other than: (1) protecting American diplomatic facilities, American citizens, and other U.S. forces; (2) serving in roles consistent with customary diplomatic positions; (3) engaging in targeted special actions limited in duration and scope to killing or capturing members of al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations; and (4) training and equipping members of the Iraqi Security Forces.
Moreover, as Media Matters has noted, Clinton and Obama have introduced similar legislation in the Senate. Indeed, Obama introduced legislation in January that would require the redeployment of U.S. troops in Iraq to begin "not later than May 1, 2007." According to Obama's bill, redeployment of U.S. forces would be "subject to the exceptions for retention of forces for force protection, counter-terrorism operations, training of Iraqi forces, and other purposes." Clinton introduced a bill on February 16 providing for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq, while stipulating that the United States maintain a "limited presence" of forces there for training Iraqi security forces, protecting U.S. personnel and infrastructure, logistical support of Iraqi security forces, and targeted counterterrorism activities.
Edwards has also previously stated that he would not withdraw all troops from Iraq as president. In a May 23 speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Edwards asserted that he would preserve "some presence in Baghdad" in order to "protect the American Embassy and other personnel." From the speech:
EDWARDS: I believe that once we are out of Iraq, the U.S. must retain sufficient forces in the region to prevent a genocide, deter a regional spillover of the civil war, and prevent an Al Qaeda safe haven. We will most likely need to retain Quick Reaction Forces in Kuwait and in the Persian Gulf. We will also need some presence in Baghdad, inside the Green Zone, to protect the American Embassy and other personnel. Finally, we will need a diplomatic offensive to engage the rest of the world in Iraq's future -- including Middle Eastern nations and our allies in Europe.
During the debate, Edwards said that "in the neighborhood of a brigade of troops" would be needed to remain in Iraq because the U.S. embassy in Baghdad and humanitarian workers in Iraq would "have to be protected":
TIM RUSSERT (NBC News Washington managing editor and debate moderator): Senator Edwards, will you commit that at the end of your first term, in 2013, all U.S. troops will be out of Iraq?
EDWARDS: I cannot make that commitment. But I -- well, I can tell you what I would do as president. When I'm sworn into office, come January of 2009, if there are, in fact, as General Petraeus suggests, 100,000 American troops on the ground in Iraq, I will immediately draw down 40 to 50,000 troops; and over the course of the next several months, continue to bring our combat troops out of Iraq until all of our combat troops are, in fact, out of Iraq.
I think the problem is -- and it's what you just heard discussed -- is we will maintain an embassy in Baghdad. That embassy has to be protected. We will probably have humanitarian workers in Iraq. Those humanitarian workers have to be protected.
I think somewhere in the neighborhood of a brigade of troops will be necessary to accomplish that, 3,500 to 5,000 troops.
From the September 27 edition of NBC's Today:
MEREDITH VIEIRA (co-anchor): We're going to begin with today on the trail of the Democrats squaring off in the crucial state of New Hampshire last night. NBC's chief White House correspondent David Gregory is in Hanover, New Hampshire, with the latest.
David, good morning to you -- late night.
GREGORY: It was a late night. Good morning, Meredith. Well, two hours on the debate stage, pronounced differences between the candidates on the issues and a single strategy: knock Hillary Clinton off her stride.
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GREGORY: A crowded Democratic field sharing a stage and battleground -- New Hampshire -- but a key moment in the debate pitted Clinton against Clinton. The former president once suggested it would be appropriate to torture a suspect to prevent a terror attack against the U.S. Mrs. Clinton disagreed.
RUSSERT: So, he disagrees with you?
CLINTON: Well, he's not standing here right now.
RUSSERT: So there is a disagreement?
CLINTON: Well, I'll talk to him later.
GREGORY: Senator Clinton spent much of the night fending off her rivals. On Iraq, John Edwards said he would immediately withdraw at least 40,000 combat troops, while Senator Clinton, he argued, would prolong the war.
EDWARDS: There are, however, differences between us, and those differences need to be made aware. Good people have differences about this issue, and I would not continue combat missions in Iraq.
GREGORY: Clinton said the only combat mission she would support would be against Al Qaeda. But surprisingly, the top three contenders, Clinton, Obama, and Edwards would not promise a complete withdrawal of U.S. forces, even by the end of their first term.
OBAMA: I think it would be irresponsible. We don't know what contingency will be out there.

















It is suprising to me because in 2006 they said they would end this illegal war. Right now Dennis Kusinich seems to be the only one serious on ending this terrible war. They better change their positions or we are in big trouble. Reminds me of LBJ, then Nixon.
Kucinich is the only one? Are you kidding? Ever heard of Bill Richardson? He's been arguing for complete withdrawal for some time now - and for those playing catch up, The Nation even wrote about him this past week. Sorry but I don't know how anybody who closely follows the democratic primary race can miss the fact that Richardson and Kucinich are the only ones calling for complete withdrawal from Iraq.
Anyway, I think MMFA unfairly criticizes Gregory here because IT IS news and IS surprising to hear candidates not promise to get all troops out of Iraq by the end of his or her first term as president.
Richardson didn't mind killing Iraqi kids when he was Clinton's UN ambassador.
The main thing I noticed in this latest debate, with Tim Russert supplying the "provocative" questions, was that it was easy to see the trap Russert was setting.
The guideline to keep in mind is, WHAT WILL BE TOMORROW'S HEADLINE?
For example, Russert put forward a hypothetical about Israel and its "justification" for bombing Iran IF Israel "was convinced" that Iran had developed a nuclear capability. Russert put the question as a YES/NO answer, as to whether justified or not justified.
If the Dem candidate (Hillary first, of course) had said YES, the headline would have been "Hillary OKs Israel attacking Iran." No context, no qualifiers, nothing but Hillary saying, sure, WAR would be justifed (if Israel was just "convinced" about Iran's status).
If the Dem candidate had said NO, then the headline would have been, "Hillary states Israel has no right to defend itself!"
Hillary, wisely, refused to take the bait, and dismissed the hypothetical very well. We found out what factors she would consider as president, what proofs would be necessary, etc.
But Russert was visibly peeved. He wanted his HEADLINE, to simplistically attack specific Dems in the following day's headlines ... one way or the other, BOTH possibilities were losers.
As it stands, the best the rightwing press can do is say Hillary is avoiding answering "hard" questions, to appeal to a wider electorate. Blahdy blah. Much less sexy than attributing a dramatic WAR OK or NO PROTECTION ALLOWED headline. Too bad, Tim. They didn't fall for your false choice trap, your simplistic hypothetical destined to damn the unsuspecting whichever way they answered.
I'm glad mmfa cleared up this issue...they have made it extemely clear that none of the likely democrat nominees will actually have the guts or the convictions to end the war in Iraq by pulling out all troops.
Despite the repeated clamor by mmfa...buoyed by the supposed support of the majority of Americans...the democrat candidates are empty windbags...pandering for votes with no intention of actually quitting the war in Iraq.
Except for Kucinich.
Correctamundo...
And the Dem leadership is trying to keep Kucinich out of the debates and out of the picture.
"I'm glad mmfa cleared up this issue...they have made it extemely clear that none of the likely democrat[ic] nominees will actually have the guts or the convictions to end the war in Iraq by pulling out all troops."
What the Dems will do is actually hand over sovereignty to the Iraqis for the first time, stop interfering in the Iraqis' business, and withdraw the troops, leaving a contingent for special operations (I disagree with the contingent part). When they do this, the troops will no longer be seen as an occupying force with designs on Iraq's resources. The hatred of American troops among the Iraqis will subside.
There ARE no Democrat candidates there are Democratic candidates and ReNAMBLAcan candidates. If your point is many Democratic candidates lack a spinal column when it comes to taking a political stand I wouldnt argue the point.
Edwards' leaving in a few thousand is pretty close to a complete withdrawl. Sounds like he may be less indebted and as a nonincumbent less fearful of AIPAC. I hope I get the chance to cast a meaning ful vote him.
Gregory is baffled because he is in the beltway so much he has succombed to the "Every Thing must be viewed in black and white" a carefully thought out idea, based on history, multiple points of veiw, yada yada, all those things that reporters don't have time for anymore, surprises him. Obviously, continuing the course is stupid, if it was gonna work it would have by now. Obviously a sudden complete pullout is stupid, unless you want WWIII (which would be WWII on steroids), so the discussion/debate is how much to pull, the timeline and what benchmarks to set. That discussion is not going to fit into a 30 second "in depth" report on the most trusted news source in the freaking universe.
Right, Pit. The media has been so busy creating this "Victory in the war on Terror" vs. "surrender /cut & run/ white flag" fantasy, that any Dem who doesn't now state their plan as "Go ,defeat!" is called a hypocrite or flip-flopper.
I'm not saying the Dems haven't been weak in their statements, just that they suffer at a real disadvantage;
The repubs, with their childlike, cartoonish platitudes on the war fit very nicely into the medias simple model.
The Dems, even those who are actually saying something, can't possibly force themselves into the position that the press (and the GOP) has manufactured for them. To the below-average American voter, the Republicans at least seem to be taking a stand, never mind how meaningless it is.
I think that their response were appropriate & responsible. Remember whose desk they will be clearing. We can not just say see ya, it has been real fun. Not only do they have equipment, bases to close, refugee's, american's, the scumbag mercenaries( Bush did bring them into the country), Military will be doing all this and protecting their men. This has to be done safely, or it will be a killing field. God knows what Bush will start in Iran before he goes or elsewhere. So how can they stand there and stay to truth, say yes no matter the situation that be, I will risk more deaths and life-altering wounds to our men and women in uniform, but they will be home. It is like people think it is like packing a suitcase and checking the doors and leaving.
As far as congress, they need to cut off the funding...except to bring them out Now, leaving a lot of equipment behind. I can not believe I am on here trying to make a point to all this distraction. Kucinich or Richardson cannot just bring the troops home...snap, snap! Will not happen! It would bring on slaughter toward our troops!
From the Democratic candidates' debate on June 3:
MR. BLITZER: I want to go very quickly to everyone. What would be, Senator Clinton, your top priority in the first 100 days?
SEN. CLINTON: Well, if President Bush has not ended the war in Iraq, to bring our troops home.
Yes, to now call for a slow or incomplete withdrawal from Iraq WOULD be a complete contradiction of earlier statements.