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October 01, 2007 3:11 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Discussing Rush Limbaugh's recent description of service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phony soldiers," John Gibson asserted on his radio show: "Rush was specifically talking about a particular one, Jesse MacBeth, who had pled guilty in court to lying about even being in Iraq." To support this claim, Gibson aired a clip in which Limbaugh purported to air the "entire" segment in question. In fact, that segment did not include a full 1 minute and 35 seconds of the 1 minute and 50 second discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phony soldiers" comment and his subsequent reference to MacBeth.

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During the September 28 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, in response to Media Matters for America's documentation of Rush Limbaugh's recent description of service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phony soldiers," Fox News host John Gibson asserted, "Rush was specifically talking about a particular one, Jesse MacBeth, who had pled guilty in court to lying about even being in Iraq." Gibson falsely claimed that Media Matters "said Rush said something, posted an audio recording of it and a written transcript, and cut it off at the precise moment where the next thing he said proved them wrong." To support this claim, Gibson aired a clip from the September 28 broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show in which Limbaugh purported to air the "entire" segment in question from the September 26 broadcast of his program. In fact, as Media Matters has documented, the clip Limbaugh aired on September 28, which Gibson reaired, had been spliced. Excised from the clip was a full 1 minute and 35 seconds of the 1 minute and 50 second discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's original "phony soldiers" comment and his reference to MacBeth, the full audio of which can be heard here.

Prior to airing the clip from the September 28 Rush Limbaugh Show, Gibson asserted: "Now, the actual liar in this situation is Media Matters itself. And we have the proof. I mean, I have the proof a dozen different ways about me, but it's all pretty complex. This thing about Rush is really crystal clear. You can see how they lie." Gibson stopped the clip at one point, saying, "All right, it ended right there on the Media Matters transcript." He continued, "This is the part that they cut out -- I mean, almost the very next words," and then played the remainder of the clip that Limbaugh used during his September 28 broadcast. Following the clip, Gibson asserted that "it's quite clear if you listen to the -- most of what came -- any of what came after the point where Media Matters cut off the tape -- that when Rush was referring to phony soldiers, he was referring to those like Jesse MacBeth." But at no point during the segment did Gibson indicate that the clip he aired was not of the original September 26 broadcast of Limbaugh's show and that it had, in fact, been edited to remove 1 minute and 35 seconds of discussion that occurred between Limbaugh's reference to "phony soldiers" and his first mention of MacBeth.

In addition, while Gibson claimed that "Rush was specifically talking about a particular one [soldier], Jesse MacBeth," Limbaugh expanded the group of "phony soldiers" during his September 28 broadcast to include Vietnam veteran Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) and Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp, who is currently serving in Iraq. Moreover, as the transcript makes clear, Limbaugh did not refer in the September 26 discussion to a "phony soldier," as he claimed on September 28 before a caller pointed out the contradiction; he referred to "phony soldiers," plural. Responding to the caller's statement on September 26 that supporters of withdrawal "like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media," Limbaugh responded, "The phony soldiers" [emphasis added]. The John Gibson Show is broadcast live beginning at 6 p.m. ET, three hours after the broadcast of The Rush Limbaugh Show ends.

Further, Gibson asserted that Media Matters is "funded by George Soros, even though I get letters from them every day saying, 'No, we're not! No, we're not!' " He continued: "Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Or were, certainly at the start." In fact, philanthropist George Soros has never given money to Media Matters, either directly or through another organization, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively demonstrated.

From the September 28 broadcast of Fox News Radio's The John Gibson Show, including (in bold) the portion of the original segment cut from Limbaugh's "entire" audio clip:

GIBSON: I have been accused of being a liar in the last couple of days by Bathtub Boy. Now, what was funny about this is I did a "My Word," and Bathtub -- and in it, I accused Bathtub Boy, over there on MSNBC, the Countdown show.

OLBERMANN [audio clip]: Resign.

GIBSON: I accused him of lifting copy directly from Media Matters and sticking it in the teleprompter.

ANGRY RICH (executive producer): And what did he do?

GIBSON: Well, Media Matters called me a liar. He picked it right up and stuck it in the teleprompter, and last night called me a liar. Media Matters for America is a left-wing website funded by George Soros, even though I get letters from them every day saying, "No, we're not! No, we're not!" Yes, you are. Yes, you are. Or were, certainly at the start. And it's a Soros front, one of many. We got more on that later in the show. However, Media Matters has been calling me a liar, and then other people then call me a liar. They called O'Reilly a liar. And now they call Rush a liar. Now, the actual liar in this situation is Media Matters itself. And we have the proof. I mean, I have the proof a dozen different ways about me, but it's all pretty complex. This thing about Rush is really crystal clear. You can see how they lie.

They lie sometimes with an outright misinterpretation of my words. And they'll transcribe it correctly, but say, "See what he said? He means this." No, I didn't.

In this case, they said Rush said something, posted an audio recording of it and a written transcript, and cut it off at the precise moment where the next thing he said proved them wrong. This is what you call lying by omission. Now, what this involves is -- let's go back to Friday, September 21st. After the Rush show was over, a guy named Jesse MacBeth, a former celebrated Iraq war vet who claimed he participated in Iraq war atrocities and was a member of anti-war groups, was sentenced for lying to the Veterans Administration about post-traumatic stress disorder and lying about being in Iraq. This Jesse MacBeth was, you know, lionized by the left because he was a soldier, came back from Iraq, told what really went on, which was that American soldiers were all Lt. William Calley, and we were committing My Lais every day, and killing people and so forth. Turns out: all lies. He'd never been in Iraq.

Now, the next week, Tuesday, September 25th, Rush mentions Jesse MacBeth on the show. Remember, Jesse pleaded guilty to all this on the 21st of September. Twenth-fifth, Rush mentions it, and then on Wednesday the 26th, Rush again brings up Jesse MacBeth in a discussion of so-called "fake soldiers," that is, people who call my show or call other shows, claim to be soldiers -- they're really anti-war protesters in many cases -- and, you know, tell us about awful things we're doing. And, you know, you've got them on the phone, and it's hard to tell whether they're real or not.

Media Matters ran what Rush said prior to bringing up the Jesse MacBeth example of fake soldiers and buries the Jesse MacBeth part, but says Rush is accusing soldiers who object to the war of being fake soldiers, phony soldiers. No, Rush was specifically talking about a particular one, Jesse MacBeth, who had pled guilty in court to lying about even being in Iraq. So, here's how it went down. I'll play this bit, and you can hear what Media Matters posted of what Rush said, and then I'll play you what he -- the words that came next -- the words that came right after they cut it off. And you will see -- hear, because this is radio -- you will hear the lie of omission by this Soros-backed group called Media Matters.

[begin audio clip]

LIMBAUGH: They had exactly what I'm going to play for you. This is Michael J. Fox all over again. Media Matters had the transcript, but they selectively choose what they want to make their point. Here is -- it runs about 3 minutes and 13 seconds -- the entire transcript, in context, that led to this so-called controversy.

[begin September 28 audio clip]

LIMBAUGH: It's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you --

[begin portion of Limbaugh's original broadcast on September 26 excised by Limbaugh on September 28 (and by Gibson here)]

LIMBAUGH: -- know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir. And, and my other comment was -- and the reason I was calling for -- was to report to Jill about the fact that we didn't, didn't find any weapons of mass destruction. Actually, we have found weapons of mass destruction in chemical agents that [inaudible] been using against us for awhile now.

I've done two tours in Iraq. I just got back in June and there were many instances of -- since [inaudible] not know what they're using in their IEDs [improvised explosive devices]. They're using mustard artillery rounds. The VX artillery rounds in their IEDs.

Because they didn't know what they were using, they didn't do it right, and so it just kind of -- it, it didn't really hurt anybody but there are -- those munitions are over there, it's just -- it's a huge desert. If they've buried it somewhere, we're never gonna find it.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know, that's a moot point for me right now --

CALLER 2: Rush --

LIMBAUGH: -- the weapons of mass destruction. We gotta get beyond that. We're, we're there. What -- who cares if, if -- we all know they were there and, and Mahmoud [Ahmadinejad, Iranian president] even admitted it in one of his speeches here about -- talkin' about Saddam using the poison mustard gas or whatever it is on his own people -- but that, that's moot, right? What, what's more important is all this is taking place now in the midst of the surge working.

And all of these anti-war Democrats are getting even more hell-bent on pulling out of there, which means that success on the part of you and, and your colleagues over there is, is a great threat to them. It's just --

[end portion of Limbaugh's original broadcast on September 26 excised by Limbaugh on September 28 (and by Gibson here)]

LIMBAUGH: It's frustrating and maddening, and it is why they must be kept in the minority.

Look, I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much. Here is a "Morning Update" that we did recently talking about fake s--

[end audio clip]

GIBSON: All right, it ended right there on the Media Matters transcript.

ANGRY RICH: Right, that's where they ended it.

GIBSON: That's where they ended it. This is the part that they cut out -- I mean, almost the very next words. They lifted out of it and stuck together, you know, what sounded like the end of the interview, and then Rush going on to another subject. In fact, they left out the following:

[begin audio clip]

LIMBAUGH: And they have their celebrities. One of them was Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth. Now, he was a "corporal," I say in quotes -- 23 years old.

[reading from "Morning Update" (subscription required)]

What made Jesse MacBeth a hero to the anti-war crowd wasn't his Purple Heart. It wasn't his being affiliated with post-traumatic stress disorder from tours in Afghanistan and Iraq, though. What made Jesse MacBeth, Army Ranger, a hero to the left was his courage in their view off the battlefield.

Without regard to consequences, he told the world the abuses he had witnessed in Iraq: American soldiers killing unarmed civilians, hundreds of men, women, even children. In one gruesome account translated into Arabic and spread widely across the Internet, Army Ranger Jesse MacBeth describes the horrors this way:

"We would burn their bodies. We would hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque."

[end audio clip]

GIBSON: Jesse MacBeth, of course, was a complete and total phony. He was sentenced for lying to the VA about PTSD. He was sentenced to prison for lying about being in Iraq at all. He was a complete liar. By removing that piece of tape, and this one as well:

[begin audio clip]

LIMBAUGH: Now, recently, Jesse MacBeth, a poster boy for the anti-war left, had his day in court, and you know what? He was sentenced to five months in jail and three years' probation for falsifying a Department of Veterans Affairs claim and his Army discharge record.

He was in the Army. Jesse MacBeth was in the Army, folks, briefly -- 44 days.

[end audio clip]

GIBSON: All right, now, it's quite clear if you listen to the -- most of what came -- any of what came after the point where Media Matters cut off the tape -- that when Rush was referring to phony soldiers, he was referring to those like Jesse MacBeth who have actually been adjudicated as liars and who were telling tales of atrocities that are provable lies.

Media Matters, doubtless, did not want to include the Jesse MacBeth stuff because they were doubtless part of the left-wing organizations that went out and made Jesse MacBeth into a hero, and it's embarrassing. So they cut it out. But the word went around that Rush was saying every soldier who does not toe the line and follow the press-release statements and direction of their superiors is a phony soldier.

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    • Author by JLyons (October 01, 2007 3:18 pm ET)
         

      Gibson is too funny. What a riot.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 01, 2007 3:26 pm ET)
           

        Hey, where are all the suckers explaining how they fell for this? Could even they have finally caught on?

        If any of you do come here, I still have an unanswered question from posters on the other related threads. Can anybody provide examples of the praise of McBeth?

         I'm hearing repeatedly about the "lionizing", "poster boy" status, how the left was obsessed with him.Strange that the only place I know his name from is the rightys insisting that evrybody was worshipping him.

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        • Author by robrob (October 01, 2007 6:43 pm ET)
             

          No one "lionized" Jesse MacBeth. Feel free to provide examples otherwise.

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 01, 2007 7:23 pm ET)
               

            robrob, are you asking me to provide examples? I'm saying I've heard the claims of lionizing McBeth, and I'm asking for examples.

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            • Author by LeftSidePositive (October 01, 2007 10:31 pm ET)
                 

              HBL, this is the best I can find for you (It's from a NewsBusters transcript about the ABC broadcast):

              JESSE ADAM MACBETH (VIDEO BLOGGER)

              Once I was in Baghdad...

              BRIAN ROSS (ABC NEWS)

              (Voiceover) But authorities say the most disturbing case involves this man, 23-year-old Jesse Macbeth. In a YouTube video seen around the world, Macbeth became a rallying point for anti-war groups, as he talked of the Purple Heart he received in Iraq and described how he and other US Army rangers killed innocent civilians at a Baghdad mosque.

              JESSE ADAM MACBETH (VIDEO BLOGGER)

              Women and men, you know - while in their prayer, we started slaughtering them.

              BRIAN ROSS (ABC NEWS)

              (Voiceover) It was a complete fabrication.

              I don't think being a "video blogger" counts as being "Lionized," unless by lionized you mean, "widely forwarded." And, I imagine, that if there had been more to that scandal, and if MacBeth had been more influential than that (like, interviewed on a nightly news program, spoken at important events, etc., etc.) the ABC broadcast would have mentioned it??

              Another hole in Rush's point: this is the only case of phony soldiers (according to the above broadcast) that had political intent or ramifications. Most of them just appear to be simple con artists out for their own private gain. It really says very, very little about those "picked up by the media" to criticize the war.

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              • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 02, 2007 12:36 am ET)
                   

                Thanks, LSP, I appreciate the effort, although I was really hoping for some response from the dittoheads who have been posting for the last few days.

                It's pretty obvious what happened. McBeth's story was exposed pretty quickly, Rush and the other righty talkers decided to tell their monkeys that the guy was a hero of the "anti-war left", and the monkeys thought they had actually seen and heard people "lionizing" MacBeth.A few even signed up here and posted to put their gullibility on display.

                Give the GOP machine credit here, they know their audience.

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        • Author by solon (October 01, 2007 11:00 pm ET)
             

          I keep wondering the same thing. What is with this claim that the left lionized Jesse McBeth. I subscribe to three different lefty political mags and until this Limbaugh debacle I never heard of the guy.

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      • Author by MiddleLeft (October 01, 2007 3:36 pm ET)
           

        Apparently Gibson doesn't (or did not know) that  Rush's clip was chopped. He is pretty clueless and doesn't have the sense to have a staffer or intern check media watchdog sites like this one.   He could avoid putting his foot in all the way to the ankle.

         

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        • Author by archfiend (October 01, 2007 3:47 pm ET)
             

          Had Gibson been interested in intellectual honesty (I know, I know...) he could have thoroughly checked out MMFA's report, and compared it against the LimpBalls clip he aired, and seen that Rushie did a snip-snip.

          I say this because, since he claims MMFA lied, he was obviously familiar with the report. It seems like, if he's going to accuse someone of lying, he'd want to invesitgate as thoroughly as possible, to avoid looking foolish.

          But then, he IS on Faux News...

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        • Author by tweakthetroll (October 01, 2007 4:50 pm ET)
             

          And ABC beat them all......that's funny MMFA. 

          http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/30/abc-reported-phony-heroes-three-days-rush-limbaugh-did

          Where do you think Rush got the info.....HUH?

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 01, 2007 7:29 pm ET)
               

            Tweak, the Newsbusters item is about a report about actual phony soldiers, including MacBeth.Rush called all soldiers who disagree with Bush phony soldiers.Even if Rush got his info from the ABC report, your defense is worthless, as they are completely different things.

            On the bright side, Newsbusters has maintained their perfect record of being wrong 100% of the time.And they still get you!

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        • Author by snoopy (October 01, 2007 5:21 pm ET)
             

          Oh, Gibson knows alright. This is spinner #3 now making the same base claim, that MMFA edits the clips before they post them. Rush said it, O'Reilly said it, now twit said it. This is definitely a crafted response.

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      • Author by easygoer002209 (October 01, 2007 3:58 pm ET)
           

        Am I getting this right?  Gibson aired an edited or truncated clip and then, using that clip, he asserted that MM edited their clip?

        But MMFA actually aired the whole clip, and Gibson either knowingly misled, or didn't know his clip was the one actually edited?

        I'd bet dollars to donuts that they knew exactly what they were doing at Fox...I can't believe they didn't know theirs was the edited version.

        I would think that eventually the right wingers would get tired of perpetual propaganda.

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        • Author by tweakthetroll (October 01, 2007 4:55 pm ET)
             

          WRONG! MMFA ran a edited clip that ended at just the right place in which the listener would have lost context of the conversation in which Limbaugh was referring to a ABC piece from 2 days earlier that David Ross filed a report on......................this is just to funny....fools trying to fool fools.

          http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/30/abc-reported-phony-heroes-three-days-rush-limbaugh-did

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          • Author by tweakthetroll (October 01, 2007 4:58 pm ET)
               

            Limbaugh even mentioned THE SAME SOLDERS from the ABC peice.

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            • Author by nerzog (October 01, 2007 5:55 pm ET)
                 

              "CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

              LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers."

              Context doesn't help Pigbaugh on this one.

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              • Author by onionhead (October 01, 2007 6:33 pm ET)
                   

                I just went back and read the original context by MMFA.  Not only did Limbaugh call those soldiers against the war "phonies", he also said that Republicans who are for withdrawal are not real Republicans. 

                The caller he told this too (and whom he basically called a phony), was a fan of the show who called in to respectfully disagree with Limbaugh about the troops staying in Iraq.

                So "copius", and you all you other apologists, defend what he said there. Or do you think he's right?

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          • Author by loonz (October 01, 2007 5:30 pm ET)
               

            This is a lie.  The context is gotten from the former military guy who called in and advocated withdrawing from Iraq.  For some reason Limbaugh nor Gibson played that part.

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 01, 2007 7:39 pm ET)
               

            ".this is just to(sic) funny....fools trying to fool fools."

            Yep, as lame as Newsbusters is, they got you, Tweak.

            For anybody who hasn't checked out the link, the Newsbuster clown is asking if ABC is going to get called out as severely as Rush for doing a report on people who misrepresent themselves as having been in the war.

            Even though that's not what Rush did.

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          • Author by LeftSidePositive (October 01, 2007 10:11 pm ET)
               

            But since the "context" Limbaugh is claiming happened a full minute and 50 seconds after the quote that MFMA objected to (and during which time, the subject changed), it's more than plausible that MMFA did not originally consider the MacBeth thing as being part of the phony soldiers comment.

            When MacBeth was brought up in relation to the phony soldiers comment, MMFA put up the whole transcript, including both parts.

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          • Author by solon (October 01, 2007 11:02 pm ET)
               

            True Limbaugh is a fool, and he is obviously fooling YOU, and you are most certainly a FOOL. This has been explained ad naseum. You guys just hate reality and facts like a vampire hates sunlight.

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        • Author by LeftSidePositive (October 01, 2007 10:36 pm ET)
             

          Well, of course Rush's & Gibson's clip is real, and MMFA's clip is fake. MMFA's clip has 1:35 more of Rush speaking on it, and as we all know it's much easier to get a trained actor in to impersonate Rush's voice (and the caller's voice) and say a 1:35-worth of material that fits in seamlessly with what they were talking about, than it would be to take an existing clip and shorten it by 1:35.

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    • Author by nerzog (October 01, 2007 3:28 pm ET)
         

      The Troglodytes are circling the wagons, but not to worry...they'll lie their way out of this one, too. Rush's new take on this is that he's "apologizing on behalf of the liberals who are distorting what he said". He's good; I'll give him that. Anyone who is paid $30,000,000 a year to lie is not going to let himself get nailed by his own words. His sycophants have already swallowed and digested his excuses...game over.

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    • Author by nerzog (October 01, 2007 3:35 pm ET)
         

      I commend MMFA for fighting this fight. It'll be interesting to see who wins, since truth has no bearing on the outcome...I sadly predict that the vastness of the GOP's Big Lie machine will overwhelm us on this one. Their golden boy has stepped on his winky, and they have to bail him out. This is over already... unless the MSM cowards grow a spine and bite the hand that feeds them.... who am I kidding? It'll never happen.

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    • Author by seeeteee (October 01, 2007 3:57 pm ET)
         

      This sounds like slander to me.  Saying that you edited something would impugn your website and do damage to your ability to conduct business.  Sue, sue, sue.

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      • Author by fawltylogic (October 01, 2007 6:04 pm ET)
           

        I'm normally against lawsuits, but MMFA has a VERY good case here.

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    • Author by pete592 (October 01, 2007 3:58 pm ET)
         

      This is the same Gibson blurb that Copious kept steering us to on YouTube.  I'm glad MMFA picked up on this to expose it for what it was.

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    • Author by copiousdissent.blogspot.com (October 01, 2007 4:01 pm ET)
         

      Q: Did Media Matters cut the transcript to conceal the clear example of a phony soldier, Jesse MacBeth.

       

      A: Yes.

       

      Had MMFA played the whole transcript, this nonsense would have been a non-story. 

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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (October 01, 2007 4:13 pm ET)
           

        Q:  Did Rush expand his 'phony soldiers' comment to include U.S. Rep Jack Murtha?

        A:  Yes

        Q2:  Does Rush support the troops?

        A:  Yes, as long as those troops are white, christian, male, heterosexual, and of the same political ideology of the President.  Otherwise, they can go to hell with the rest of the terrorists.

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      • Author by scooter (October 01, 2007 4:14 pm ET)
           

        Funny! But next time, please put a "sarcasm" tag in your post before somebody thinks you are an idiot. At first I thought you were serious.

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      • Author by fawltylogic (October 01, 2007 6:06 pm ET)
           

        You must really, really like that hole you keep digging for yourself, as hard as you're working.

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      • Author by solon (October 01, 2007 11:08 pm ET)
           

        Ah no. McBeth is irrelevant. He made it clear by saying THE PHONY SOLDIERS to the callers description of soldiers in general that it WASNT Jesse he was talking about. Only those who LOVE to be lied to would take this defense seriously.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (October 01, 2007 4:02 pm ET)
         

      LOL. Rush was just talking about one guy but he said "soldiers." So he's either terribly spoken or lying.

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (October 01, 2007 4:53 pm ET)
           

        I'll go with Liar...

        Considering that this contemptible pile of crud has been caught in several hundred other bald-faced lies...Let's go with liar.

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    • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 01, 2007 4:05 pm ET)
         

      Hey guys - Harry Reid took your fight to the floor of the Senate today.  At  least someone out there is willing to carry your water off of this web site. I don't believe you guys really believed what you were spouting here anyway - as Gibson pointed out it is too obvious - but you did help make a fool out of Senator Reid.  RIP "phony soldier" debate

       

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 01, 2007 4:34 pm ET)
           

        At  least someone out there is willing to carry your water

        Speaking of carrying water. Why are you here?

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        • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 01, 2007 5:14 pm ET)
             

          I enjoy a good debate.  Unfortunately this "phony soldier" thing really didn't fit the bill as MMFA's point was so obviously false. Let's move on to something more engaging.

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          • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (October 01, 2007 6:00 pm ET)
               

            Only if you will admit that you hate the troops, and want to see them murdered.

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          • Author by snoopy (October 01, 2007 6:37 pm ET)
               

            You like to master what?

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          • Author by mlis_sette2357 (October 01, 2007 7:58 pm ET)
               

            Actually, no it wasn't; John Gibson and Rush Limbaugh are liars.

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          • Author by solon (October 01, 2007 11:15 pm ET)
               

            The only thing obvious is you are willing to accept the most ludicrous defense, one which no one with two brain cells to rub together could possibly take seriously, because the Limborg King TOLD you to. Its sad.

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      • Author by solon (October 01, 2007 11:10 pm ET)
           

        Oh we believe it. See we are capable of actual higher brain function. We understand that you of the Limborg dont know what you think until Rush tells you so you are congenitally incapable of seeing the OBVIOUS lies he tells you. Thats ok, we all have compassion for the mentally challenged. Now let the adults talk

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    • Author by scooter (October 01, 2007 4:17 pm ET)
         

      Even if MMFA presented the entire day's audio, Rush or some 20%er would point out that they did not include the following day's broadcast, where the drug addict says "remember what I said yesterday? Well, the joke's on the Libs, because it was all a joke."

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    • Author by wizbor4654 (October 01, 2007 4:29 pm ET)
         

      In the old days this was called "flame bait" and thats all MM has become, trolling for response/links.

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (October 01, 2007 4:41 pm ET)
           

        Great job by Senator Reid...

        The foul stench of this petulant, cowardly, audacious, piece of sewage is fully in view.

        Limbaugh is filth.

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        • Author by snoopy (October 01, 2007 5:29 pm ET)
             

          And, as I predicted yesterday, Republicans won't hold Limbaugh to the same standards they hold liberals to. What a surprise, your republican leadership is phony to the core.

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      • Author by scooter (October 01, 2007 4:52 pm ET)
           

        Michelle Malkin is trolling on this site... doesn't surprise me one bit.

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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (October 01, 2007 5:13 pm ET)
           

        Wizbor, 

        Like when you lied about the survey I posted a few weeks back?  I posted one Zogby survey done by American companies only about the troops wanting to be home in a year and you linked to a second one that was done in connection with Iran and called me an enemy without realizing you linked the WRONG SURVEY?

        And you want to talk about flame bait??? You wouldn't even admit your mistake and you probably spread rumors on your sites about this one. 

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      • Author by solon (October 01, 2007 11:16 pm ET)
           

        Well if you dont like this site feel free to take your inane posts to one of the other few million sites out there and BORE THEM.

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    • Author by nerzog (October 01, 2007 5:05 pm ET)
         

      Yessssss. The troglodytes are winning this one. They still own more microphones than we do...too bad they have to lie to do it. Context hurts Rush in this one. He clearly said "phony soldiers" (plural) in IMMEDIATE response to the caller's mention of soldiers who come home and "spout to the Media". Even if Rush's comment included Jesse McBeth, whose name he added later in the conversation, it also must include the two who died not long after writing an Op-Ed for the NYT. Rush stepped on his winky, and no amount of backpedaling will change the facts.

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    • Author by ozett (October 01, 2007 5:40 pm ET)
         

       I used to think that Glenn Beck was the most lightweight and worthless of the many conservative pundits on television, but this guy seems to have pulled into the lead.

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    • Author by nerzog (October 01, 2007 5:43 pm ET)
         

      See what I mean? Trolls we haven't heard from in quite a while are crawling out of the woodwork to defend their god. Rush is their Golden Boy of Bullsh*t...they must defend him at all costs, no matter how big the lie. They know what he said, yet they'll stick with the lie...it's what they do.

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    • Author by Jella (October 01, 2007 6:16 pm ET)
         

      So I'm confused. Did MMFA play the whole clip or not?

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    • Author by Pithaughn (October 01, 2007 7:06 pm ET)
         

      People, remember, many, many, patrons of Rush and FOX, do not have any other source of news or informaiton (except of course Cosmo and the National Enquirer and maybe if they're feeling flush an astrology guide). If it's on the radio or TV, it must be true!! So, even though it seems incredibly audacious to us to say or print something that can easily be proven false, they (Rush et al ) know a certain part of the audience can't check the facts and the rest would'nt believe the truth if it bit them in the face, There belief in Rush, BillO etc are in the same psychic box as their religous beliefs. If Rush tells lies, then maybe I will have to think for myself, much better to just have another Bud and switch over to the Price is Right.

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    • Author by jimsonlineorders7076 (October 01, 2007 7:12 pm ET)
         

      When is Medias Matters finally going to fight back with slander and libel charges against these lies?

      Everyone is entitled to their opinions and should espouse them freely without restraint. You should never sue in those cases.

      However, your organization is legally slandered and libeled to the detriment of every American hungering for honest debate.

      While you can't stop them from spreading their insane ideas, you can stop them from telling lies about your organization.

       

      People criticize the Democrats for not taking real action; why haven't you? 

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    • Author by The Truth Seeker (October 01, 2007 7:13 pm ET)
         

      Is this some kind of joke?  Only a true moron could believe that Limbaugh wasn't talking about soldiers who wanted to pull out of Iraq as phony soldiers.  That's what the entire discussion was about leading to that comment.  It had nothing to do with soldiers lying about being in Iraq or witnessing atrocities.   

      It's unbelievable how Gibson started the tape in the middle of the call at the same time complaining about Media Matters editing the clip.  I hope that Olbermann nails Gibson again tonight.  

      Tweak the Troll would make one hell of a candidate for the mental poverty program! 

       

       

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    • Author by bacci40 (October 01, 2007 7:47 pm ET)
         

      until macbeth was brought up on lufa boy's show, i had never heard of the guy

      i even did a google search to see if any major news org or blog hoisted him up as a hero...couldnt find any

      i wish mmfa had included the macbeth part, it only strengthens the argument

      for therefore rush is saying that any vet who has come out is exactly like macbeth...and that isnt the case 

       

        

       

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      • Author by Graydogs (October 01, 2007 9:56 pm ET)
           

        Bacci40.................

         If you have been reading the MMFA articles you would know that showing the entire transcript it is exactly what MMFA has been doing.

        MMFA has included everything that Rush said. However; Rush when caught, edited out some of his audio and transcripts to make the mention of MacBeth (at the end of the call...after he  called soldiers "phony soldiers") seem like it was connected to the the phone call.

        He called soldiers who favor withdrawal phony soldiers. Then after the call, he basically says....and speaking of phony soldiers, we talked about the fake soldier MacBeth yesterday......

        His comment "phony soldiers" about soldiers who want to leave Iraq....leads him to talk about the news article he says he talked about in the news the day before, about a real "fake" soldier. The mention of the MacBeth story didn't have anything to do with his previous comments to the caller.

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        • Author by Graydogs (October 01, 2007 10:07 pm ET)
             

          "He called soldiers who favor withdrawal phony soldiers. Then after the call, he basically says....and speaking of phony soldiers, we talked about the fake soldier MacBeth yesterday......"

          BTW...I'm paraphrasing here (above) to show that Rush said what he said to the caller, and it appears his phony soldiers discussion then reminds him of the MacBeth fake soldier story. It was never the other way around.

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    • Author by LeftSidePositive (October 01, 2007 11:58 pm ET)
         

      Another important thing: Look how Gibson ABSOLUTELY lies about where MMFA made the cut in the transcript.

      The first time, they cut it before the topic switched to weapons of mass destruction--that's pretty reasonable: stop showing relevant context when the subject changes. It's not at all "cut[ting] it off at the precise moment where the next thing he said proved them wrong," as Gibson claimed.

      The second time (in the "Rush selectively edits..." news item) they cut it WAY after the discussion of Jesse MacBeth.

      At NO time did MMFA cut off the transcript at "Here is a "Morning Update" that we did recently talking about fake s--" like Gibson suggests.

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