Limbaugh: VoteVets lied to soldier in ad, "strapp[ed] those lies to his belt," then sent him out "to walk into as many people" as he can
On the October 2 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh denounced a recent ad by VoteVets.org that featured Iraq war veteran Brian McGough, calling the ad "a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into." Limbaugh went on to say that "[w]hoever pumped [McGough] full of these lies about what I said ... has betrayed him." Limbaugh denounced the ad despite admitting "I haven't watched the ad."
In the ad, which was created in response to Limbaugh's recent characterization of U.S. service members who oppose the war in Iraq as "phony soldiers," McGough says to Limbaugh, "Until you have the guts to call me a 'phony soldier' to my face, stop telling lies about my service."
From the October 2 broadcast of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:
LIMBAUGH: VoteVets.org has -- they describe themselves as an organization comprised of veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns who oppose current policy in Iraq. They've put together a TV ad that takes aim at me. This ad's going to run on Fox News, on CNN, it's going to run on WMAL radio in Washington, $60,000 ad buy that's going to run, I think, on our local West Palm Beach station down here. And there's a man identified as Brian McCoff -- McGough -- it's M-C-G-O-U-G-H, I'm not sure how he pronounces it, McGo, McGuff -- I haven't watched the ad.
He discusses his service in Iraq, the wounds he suffered there, and he says to me in this ad, "Until you have the guts to call me a 'phony soldier' to my face, stop telling lies about my service." You know, this is such a blatant use of a valiant combat veteran, lying to him about what I said, then strapping those lies to his belt, sending him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into.
This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone. Whoever pumped him full of these lies about what I said and embarrassed him with this ad has betrayed him. They're not hurting me, they're betraying this soldier. Now, unless he actually believes what he's saying, in which case it's just so unfortunate and sad when the truth of what I said is right out there to be learned.
Here we go again. Apparently soldiers can't think for themselves unless they are parroting the Limbaugh line word for word. Nice job Limbaugh, 1st you called those types of soldiers phony, now you are calling them stupid too.
It is hilarious to see liberals become "troop supporters" when it suits them. Barely a couple of weeks ago,MoveOn and its allied organizations accused the top US commander in Iraq of being a "betrayer." Funny to see how the negative public reaction to the Democrat Party's tactics haveconverted liberals. The attacks on Rush Limbaugh are not driven by empathy for the troops - this is all merely a diversionary tactic to deflect attention from the recent Move On debacle.
It's nice that you find it hillarious that liberals support the toops. Some of us are easily entertained.
Don't you think it's rather pathetic that conservatives support the troops by literally hiding behind them?
If you think Rush "I didn't want to serve in Vietnam" Limbaugh supports the troops - well, then you're entitled to your fantasy.
Genghiz is obscene in the assertion that Liberals don't support the troops.
Liberals have supported the troops since this wretched war began. Liberals are the ONLY ONES who truly support the troops. Although Conservatives say they support the troops, they are doing as much as possible to get as many of them killed as possible.
Ah! the "chickenhawk" argument again. If you did not serve in Vietnam, you are not entitled to an opinion. Unless you are Leftist and anti-war, anti-America. In which case you are a true patriot merely by parroting the MoveOn line.
Some of us recognize the cognitive disconnect between "send lots and lots and lots and lots of people overseas to fight for my interests, and I don't care how many die" 'troop supporters' who refuse to serve themselves, and don't have any skin in the game with family members. To say that there is the same disconnect between those that say, "No, I will not serve," as well as, "Stop sending these people over there to die for lies and corporate interests," is disingenuous at best.
In case you didn't notice, when you invented this "genius" argument, you just disqualified ALL of the current administration and almost all conservative commenters from having any valid opinion of this war, because they didn't serve in Vietnam.
Limbaugh didn't, and yet you would let HIM comment, while at the same time discounting the opinion of the Iraq veteran who's criticizing him for his stupid comments? This is not fair, or even consistent. Do you use such dishonest tactics just because Rush does? Do you expect us not to notice, when you do?
How did he get his comments to run so far to the right??? They go clear out of the little comment box. Is that a sign that he is truly "The One" who will save the Repubs?
Yea genghiz it makes lots of sense to put a sticker on your car doesn't it? Sanctimonious BS is what it is if it's not backed up by a high level of concern for whether or not those troops are being sent into danger for a good reason. You all act like the only thing good for the troops is to make sure someone is shooting at them.
The MoveOn ad criticized a political figure, one who was acting for Bush.
Limbaugh attacked actual soldiers - almost half of the armed services, as a matter of fact.
Are you saying that you don't see the difference?
Whether it's blaming soldiers who oppose the war, blaming soldiers for not securing the munitions at al Qaa Qaa, blaming soldiers for the atrocities in Fallujah and Abu Ghraib: it's Republican Chickenhawks who have taken the lead. They are the flip-floppers, using soldiers for advantage when it suits them, and sending them to their deaths with insufficent armor and planning to support their corporate goals ($$$).
It's also hilarious to see republicans who pretend to support the troops turn around and tell them if they aren't republican they are phony; tell them they hide behind military uniforms; imply they can't think for themselves; and make a vicious jab at a soldier who was the victim of a suicide bomber, by throwing the term at his face. make no mistake; Rush was a draft dodger who hated the military back in the 60s and he hates them now.
I agree..Sad thing is that Libs need this site to feed their head with propaganda. I just call them Polly because they repeat whatever is fed to them.
Rush Limbaugh said these words: "The democrat party has been trying to demoralize them" (referring to troops) He said these words and there is no indication that he does not mean what he says. These words mean that he believes that the democrats (i.e. non-republicans) are deliberately attempting to lower the morale of troops. This is a charge that is patently absurd and pathological. If it wasn't so pathalogical it _might_ be considered satire. However, it is not. And it is not even hilarious. It is absurd to suggest that "liberals" do not support the troops. You said "The attacks on Rush Limbaugh are not driven by empathy for the troops" In the proximate sense you might be right but you have no way of knowing the personal motivations of all "liberals".
Rush Limbaugh (the radio personality) is a bad faith participant in the national dialogue. Perhaps if he were funny he might be considered a satirical comedian... but I think there is enough evidence to show that he is merely a vindictive partisan ideologue. I know actual Republicans that despise Rush Limbaugh because they believe in intellectual fairness above their ideological beliefs and he does not. I suppose you would say that they, then , are not really Republicans.
So I guess when American soldiers are compared to Nazis, accused of running gulags, and told they use terrorist tactics by US Senators and Congressman, that's meant to motivate our troops, right?
Are those Congressman deliberately trying to lower troops morale? Is that their intention? No probably not. However they are engaging in politics which as a byproduct certainly does.
The constitution gives the authority to decide whether or not to be at war to the people through their congress. this means there has to be debate about the question. such debate can always be claimed to reduce morale and give some hope to the enemy. it is just a cost of running a country democratically. do you say the generals/executive should make that decision for the sovereign. if you do you should be honorable and seek to amend the constitution.
That's right, give Rush more free advertising: he's loving it. It'll make him even more important and influential in the presidential race of 2008. Contrary to this current campaign on behalf of the left to nip that in the bud. Nice try.
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Man oh man, now it's soldiers who can't think for themselves. Thank god Bill told us black folks that we can now think for ourselves, guess Bill will have to work on those soldiers next.
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But just think how good Black soldiers must be at taking orders, Pearlene!
Are you suggesting the republicans want to bring back units like the "red ball express" or the "tuskagee airmen"? That'll solve their problems! ;)
Pearlene,
You didn't close the "sarcasm" tag. Now everything that's followed your post is in Sarcasm Mode.
The thread is in jeopardy! Someone post a couple of </sarcasm> tags! Quickly!
Pearl, that was a good one! I needed that today. :)
That soldier has already replied to Rush The Coward:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/10/2/143649/962
Thanks for the link. Here is what he said:
I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before we “discover” that McGough actually hid in a cave during combat and had lunch with Bin Laden.
Though I appreciate this soldier's service and sacrifice to our country, I do believe Mr. Limbaugh is right about his ability to form an opinion.
I believe this soldier is being manipulated. His wounds and sacrifice are being used as a shield to cover the weakness of the actual "phony soldiers" argument. If he is unable to discern from the widely available transcripts that Limbaugh in no way impugned the reputation of dissenting soldiers, the he is most likely being fed his information. The fact that he is using dailykaus as his platform should be proof enough.
The attempt is being made to use the old propaganda technique of transferal. The viewer is supposed to ignore the lack of evidence that MM's accusations are based on, and just consider them true because an honored Iraq war veteran has made them.
Limbaugh's detractors are hoping that if enough people say the dissenting phony soldiers accusation is true, then it will suddenly be accepted as true without argument. This is also why the related NYT's article states:
With the help of liberal advocacy groups, the Democrats in Congress are turning Mr. Limbaugh’s insinuation that members of the military who question the Iraq war are “phony soldiers” into the latest war of words over the war.
Every media port that is Democrat controlled is being used to state emphatically that Limbaugh disparaged dissenting troops. The attempt is to make it appear that the argument is not subjective, and that no other plausible (and more likely) scenario exists.
I think that free speech is gone in this country. MM and other allied agents are using propaganda and rhetoric to limit the rights of others which is sad in itself.
You appreciate his service BUT...he's being manipulated, his wounds are being used to smear Limbaugh, etc., etc.
Something tells me you don't believe this young man can think for himself. Is is possible that he might be correct and you wrong? Or does ideology cloud your judgment?
How am I depreciating his service by stating that his opinion is manipulated? Does calling someone manipulated take away from heroic actions they have taken in the past?
I do not believe it is possible that he is correct, because I have read the transcripts and listened to the audio tapes. I do question whether he has done the same, which is why I also question whether he is indeed thinking for himself.
This does not imply that all soldiers or war veterans are easily manipulated. I do believe that this particular individual has been manipulated.
MD, everything you write can just as easily be applied to Petraeus, or to yourself, for that matter. beware when you decide what's in other people's heads. it's a shifty form of argument that allows you to dodge the facts. The simple facts are imbedded in what Limbaugh said. you can fall in line and interpret them his way, showing yourself to be an ideologue, or apply your own logic and common sense to interpret them in an independent way. I initially was open to limbaugh's claim that by "phony soldiers" he meant "nonsoldiers who claim to be soldiers." It could weel have been his meaning, except of course that this is patently untrue -- it is factual to say that the "they" limbaugh references have in fact spoken to hundreds if not thousands of ACTUAL REAL VETERAN IRAQ SOLDIERS. Nonetheless, he MAY have meant in this instance the very few soldier-poseurs. It would be a distortion of the truth and a cheap radio host canard, but it might have been what he "meant."
But after limbaugh edited his transcript and manipulated his video and posted it all claiming it to be true and accurate, and trotted the old "out of context" crutch, he lost any high ground and became a simple liar and conniving weasel. thus his credibility is shot.
Also keep in mind that he has directly called real soldiers (John Murtha) "phony soldiers," proving that he's not talking about people who never served but present themselves as if they are veterans.
Of course you're not implying that all vets who see things differently are being manipulated...it's just this one guy...just him.
What about the others who oppose what Limbaugh said...are they being manipulated too? I wonder what proof you have that this one single solitary vet is being manipulated.
Or perhaps all the proof you need comes from Limbaugh. Good luck.
you think he was manipulated to state this as a propaganda stunt. How arrogant of you to presume that this man speaking out is doing it for political purposes. What about the amputated vet that the GOP is using in their commercials. This is much worse than Imus's nappy headed ho comment. Unfortunately in this situation we still have freedom of speech but we don't have to like or accept what we hear.
Thanks for the slam against a brave soldier. Like it or not, you've just implied he can't t hink for himself.
In no way impugned? I dont think you are acting in good faith!!! I really dont. This is the cynicism that underlies the new conservatism. this is just a game to you and you have no respect for the truth.
I believe this soldier is being manipulated. His wounds and sacrifice are being used as a shield to cover the weakness of the actual "phony soldiers" argument. If he is unable to discern from the widely available transcripts that Limbaugh in no way impugned the reputation of dissenting soldiers, the he is most likely being fed his information. Mutualdisdain
You're not insane but you are misinformed. The soldier in question was approached by Vote Vets to be apart of this ad. He informed them that he would only consider it if he could approve of the words used in the ad. He reviewed the text and agreed to do the ad. He further stated that he was fully responsible for the words that came from his mouth. They were his thoughts and his feelings. He has also seen the transcripts and heard the audio of Rush's "phony soldiers". Unlike you, it seems that he was not confused as to exactly what Rush said.
Those were his words. He appeared on Keith's show on MSNBC, Oct. 3rd. You can check the website and watch the video of his interview in case you won't believe the shows transcript.
Here are the first few sentences of the original Media Matters blurb about the "event."
"During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq "phony soldiers." He made the comment while discussing with a caller a conversation he had with a previous caller, "Mike from Chicago," who said he "used to be military," and "believe[s] that we should pull out of Iraq."
That is also the gist of the title of the blurb, which has been picked up by wires services everywhere, just changed a little bit to include all who "dissent," not just favor "pullout."
Please, somebody here, tell me where in the entire conversation (which is complete on his website
[link to www.rushlimbaugh.com]
and also on this one, although maybe not contiguously), does Rush Limbaugh even mention "service members" who want to "pull out?" His original caller, 'Republican Mike,' used that term, saying that HE thought "we should pull out of Iraq."
Later, 'Republican Mike' said "I USED TO BE military, okay, and I'm a Republican." It sounded to me (I heard the broadcast) as if Mike had served in the military a long time ago. I mention that only because I did too, and I wouldn't consider a disagreement with me to be a disagreement with a "service member."
The subsequent conversation, with the second Mike (active duty Army), was related to this first conversation, and to what 'Army Mike' said, that "what these PEOPLE don't understand, is if we pull out of Iraq right now...Iraq itself would collapse and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so."
That was 'Army Mike,' disagreeing with 'Republican Mike.'
Then Rush speaks in general about people who call him to advocate early withdrawal.
Apply a few brain cells to the conversation that follows and it's easy to see that 'Army Mike' is talking about PEOPLE in general (and probably thinking of the media), not soldiers, when he says, "And what's really funny is they never talk to real soldiers. They pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and spout to the media." That may have been a gross generalization, but this is a CONVERSATION, not a term paper.
Rush responds with, "The phony soldiers."
In the context of the conversation it's easy to see that the 'phony soldiers' comment refers to the folks that the media love to put forward as 'military against the war,' NOT to the first caller, 'Republican Mike,' nor to any MILITARY who want to pull out of Iraq, either.
Then, IMMEDIATELY following his conversation with 'Army Mike,' Limbaugh uses the example of convicted felon Jesse Macbeth to illustrate exactly what he was talking about.
He said, "Here is a Morning Update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. They have their celebrities and one of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth...."
Please tell me where I missed the part where Rush says that soldiers who dissent or who want to pull out are 'phony soldiers.'
Seems to me it is Media Matters who is delivering 'misinformation.'
Do a little research; Rush has in the past stated that democratic politicians who have served in the armed forces are nothing but "liberals hiding behind a military uniform". He's suggested that they joined just to "pad their resumes", too. So before you take the side of an entertainer over our brave troops, consider his past remarks.
Please. Anybody.
You do realize, don't you, that votevets.org is made up of VETERANS??? So you have just blasted the entire organization and with it many, many veterans and implied that soldiers lie and manipulate other soldiers. Thanks for your support.
Dear EDDY, you sure have a lot to say, and your comments seem to have substance, however you failed to listen to the actual words uttered by Rush. i think you have been swayed by the comments of the media. Rush is one of our greatest admirers, and he never made a derogatory remark against our armed forces. I thank my lucky stars for having him. I suggest you listen to the program, and in particular go into the archives and listen to the actual program.
much love and appreciation. Bush is the one he should be calling a phony. He created this war on a lie. You served our country with honor which does not have to mean you agree with the war. You saw first hand many of our troops are stuck between patriotism and the stark realization that they have been lied to.
Thank you for your service to me and our country
"Limbaugh denounced the ad despite admitting "I haven't watched the ad."
But why should that stop him from criticizing it, right?
Ouch, that's gotta hurt! What's his excuse for not watching? Is it:
1) It was created by liberals, no need to see it
2) It's obviously a smear because liberals made it
3) ...
3) The truth hurts like the boils on his butt.
Ain't it amazing?
Rush's defense to people criticizing him is "You don't understand the context"
Yet he can criticize without even bothering to listen...
It's not intellectually possible to follow him.
A transcript of the ad was available online before Limbaugh made that statement.
So now besides being a "phony soldier", Limbaugh is basically accusing McGough of being such a moron, so brainless, gullible, stupid and/or incapable of learning, that he was suckered or hypnotized into making an ad.
Limbaugh once again demonstrates he has not even one single atom of integrity, and has no real regard for the military except as to how he can use them to further a political agenda or hide behind them to avoid apologizing. What a lying coward.
No, Limbaugh's charge is much more specific: he's comparing this veteran to the archetypic horror of the Vietnam war, the child strapped with bombs. Limbaugh knows precisely what he's doing by carefully selecting that particular metaphor. In one stroke he's discounted anything this veteran has to say as the words of a victimized and exploited child, and he's cast the left as child killing enemies of America.
Classy.
Actually, I think these days his disgusting metaphor is more apropos of Middle-Eastern suicide bombers.
'Cuz y'know, every single darkie, towel-head, haji over there is just itchin' to strap on some C4 and kill people...
...at least in fairytale wingnut land.
Actually, I think these days his disgusting metaphor is more apropos of Middle-Eastern suicide bombers.
'Cuz y'know, every single darkie, towel-head, haji over there is just itchin' to strap on some C4 and kill people...
...at least in fairytale wingnut land.
You know, that was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard Limbaugh's charge against McGough, but that didn't make sense to me. (Of course, I'm probably a fool to be trying to find sense in what Limbaugh says...) Limbaugh is casting McGough as an innocent being used, not a suicide bo... excuse me, homicide bomber, as conservative media outlets like to call them. I have a hard time imagining Limbaugh claiming that suicide bombers today in the Middle East are exploited innocents, as he seems to be suggesting with McGough.
Well, suicide bombers tend to be brainwashed gullibles, and he certainly describes McGough that way.
I think Rush is trying to illustrate a point…. that the liberals are misinforming honorable people… and using this disingenuous approach to enrage people and try to disperse some of the heat that the liberals have been under since the shameful ad about General Petraeus. I don’t think he is saying solders can’t think for themselves or inferred them incompetent…I mean if that was the intended dialog (with your thinking) then liberal Democrats that said the General Petraeus report was doctored by Bush…would mean that Petraeus was incompetent and could not make a report himself. Did you see how decorated he was at the hearing? A most honorable man and yet the Left try to make him into a lair or patsy because the war on terror shows some hope and progress. Did you think a man as distinguished as Petraeus can think for himself?
"I think Rush is trying to illustrate a point…. that the liberals are misinforming honorable people… "
Ooh, it's opinion and misdirection time from the Dittoheads. I think Rush is simultaneously lying about what he said (actually, that's a fact, and his editing of the transcripts proves as much), and he's further denigrating our soldiers by both insinuating that they are idiots who don't know what they are saying, and insinuating that they're hurting their mates in the armed forces and the American public by associating them with suicide bombers. It's reprehensible.
And yes, I believe Patraeus can think for himself, and deliberately chose to present incomplete information to the Senate. Whether he did that because he is a sellout or because he believed his particular view of "reality" overseas is a better one to present for the well being of Iraq in general is up in the air, but he did leave out pertinent information, and that is not debatable.
So on one hand you are sticking up for one solder and on the other you are calling another a liar. Interesting that you chose to call the General the liar.
You're right - I'm sticking up for a soldier and pointing figures at a politician that promised us that he would tell the truth, bar none. From what I can tell, he has instead told selective truths and I do not accept that.
I dont think El Rushbo literally says this and therefore.... clearly you can not take what he seems to say and think he really means it . He is only held to what he explicitly says in so many words and not by what the clear meaning seems to be. you should therefore be ashamed for suggesting he meant something when he has yet to explicitly admit the meaning you seem to falsely accuse him of....
I'd be willing to agree with you, Hype, if not for one problem: how does comparing McGough to a suicide bomber help illustrate that point? How does it do anything but smear a man who took shrapnel for his country?
Limbaugh could have made that point politely but he didn't. He chose to compare a veteran to a suicide bomber.
I don't support the way MoveOn handled their criticism of General Petraeus. But two wrongs don't make a right, and MoveOn's actions don't excuse Limbaugh.
I thought it was a good metaphor that he used. Was it politically correct, of course not, but the point was that a person was likely groomed with selective information and sent out to cause as much ill-founded damage as possible. Just like (in my opinion) so many humans caught up in misinformation and propaganda stewed with learned hatred that decide to strap on a bomb and kill people….If these same people would know the true of the matters that compel them…I doubt they would destroy their own life. I really doubt that millions of people that listen to Rush can not see that he respects the military. I served… I see it..
McGough served. He doesn't see it. When he said he didn't see it, he was compared to the very vile person that caused his brain injury.
Yeah, Rush just loves y'all - as long as you're following him.
Riiight...because just like it's impossible to be a Republican and oppose the war, it's impossible to be an intelligent veteran and oppose the war.
Funny you would dispute the soldier's comment and condemn the Patreus comment. We are in America and that is called freedom of speech. Just like rush everyone is entitled to their opinion. Also it is despicable that both parties were concerned about a comment because they were politically afraid of being called unpatriotic and run the risk of not being re-elected It might surprise you how many people agreed with the Patreus ad. We already knew what he was going to say before he even said it. How many Generals were removed before bush could find one that would agree to spread his lies. Just because we don't agree it does not make you the "decider" thank god
Sorry, still in the kitchen, have not felt the "heat that the liberals have been under since the shameful ad " yet. I did not write or air the ad, Moveon does not speak for me.
Genetically predisposed?
I saw a report a few months ago about a study that showed political tendency (liberal vs. conservative) had some basis in genetics.
This certainly accounts for the inability of those like Rush to recognize when (and how far) they have their heads up their asses.
I only hope the gene(s) responsible for this will eventually end up in the "dead end" category of human evolution.
I can't see how that could be possible - it's like saying one is genetically pre-disposed to being Hindu, or Christian. This is going to be related to one's ancestry simply because we pass down our beliefs to our children, not necessarily because we carry the Judaism gene or the Libertarian gene. Can you share the study?
Wow, It's not very health to have so much hate over other people's opinions and political views. I wish you the best in your struggle.
That was disgusting, Rush.
Over the past few days, Mr. Limbaugh has become the self-appointed Leader of the Ignorant. But these comments will sit well with those Blissfully Ignorant Followers of the Guru of Nonsense. They will attack this Valiant Soldier who did his job while Rush continues to do his job....push the agenda of Cheney. Why? Money for some, Insanity for others.
Mr. Limbaugh, your mother would not be proud of you.
More hyper-violent rhetoric from the authoritarian wing of the GOP. Why am I not suprised?
They can't govern in the open, can't be open about their sexuality and can't even open their wallets to help support the common good. But they sure know how to openly speak in violent metaphors.
the guy is a chicken hawk. got out of it with a pimple on his butt. what do any of us who was or are in the services expect. turn off the radios.
While I don't think MMFA should drop this yet, I gotta wonder how they manage to keep going in the face of liars who have nu scruples about telling lies and then more lies to cover up the original lies - and at the same time accuse MMFA of lying. I'm surprised the entire staff at MMFA haven't died from repeatedly banging their heads against the walls.
Yes, it is wearisome hearing the same propaganda day after day but that's why propaganda works.
They keep repeating the lies until they're accepted as truth.
Limbaugh claims he was only talking about one soldier, one who falsified his credentials, until he started talking about this one too.
Kudos to MMFA for keeping after the story until Limbaugh was flushed out and revealed his true colors and they aren't red, white and blue.
Limbaugh never is talking about just one thing--that one thing is always being used as an exemplary of a political issue. Allways. In this case he talks about/to a caller who is against the war is dismissed insultingly as a phony republican/phny soldier. then the caller says "real" (ie the opposite of phony ) soldiers all support the war. Limbaugh seems to agree. then he starts talking about the convicted macbeth who is offered as the exemplary of the "soldiers" who speak out against the war. The final move of making macbeth the example of soldiers who are against the war is argued as some sort of defense. Quit insulting our intelligence. we will soon end up in this country with internal animosities that are like the divisions in Iraq. Why not just back off this attempt to smear those who are against what you are for and try some honest persuasion for a change. You know good arguments not just stuff you think will slide by because you keep insisting on it. Limbaugh could just say I let my beliefs color my judgment about those who think otherwise and I am sorry to all those who in good faith disagree with me. Isnt he man enough?
You miss the point.
This boil on the butt of humanity counts on a complete suspension of critical thinking on the part of the few of his listeners capable of same; the blind acceptance from rah rah "dittoheads" and his ability to control the message by selective editing and outright lies.
He tells em what they want to hear; no danger they are gonna be confused by facts and reason.
The troll apologists on this and other sites know this - but they like the attention - kinda like a kid kicking an anthill. The bigger the response, the more powerful they feel.
I've wondered the same myself, and figure that's why we see things like the WPitW from Olbermann show up here, because it's MMFA's way of getting in a, "HA! We're not the only ones who noticed your stupidity," when in this particular media world it's very easy to feel as if you're the only person who notices how our political atmosphere is going completely insane.
Classy, Rush.
Real classy.
We're wasting precious air on this d-bag.
I was on the road today and listened to Limbaugh's show and, man is he scrambling! I don't know if he's scoring points with his own people but, he sounds extremely concerned over the flap his "phony soldier" comment has caused.
My own impression is that, in the context of his dialogue with the caller before the comment was made, Limbaugh slipped and allowed his animosity towrds anyone, even soldiers, who espouse anything he considers liberal to be revealed. The he realized he had screwed up and sevreal minutes later tried to say he was referring to something else. That's not context...that's a CYA explanation. Context is what transpired before the controversial comment...it is what prompted the "phony soldier" comment.
At any rate, FWIW I listened to Limbaugh today for quite a while and he seems very concerned about his comment. Major damage control...
Oh, and when I heard his comments today about Brian MvGough my reaction was the same of as some of yours. It struck me that Limbaugh was saying McGough, as a tool of the left, was too stupid to determine for himself what Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" comment meant.
I hope Limbaugh keeps talking because he keeps digging that hole deeper and deeper.
MMFA did the damn near impossible with this Limbaugh story. They put him and have kept him on the defensive. He's very used to being the aggressor, very comfortable with keeping the opposition off balance and gaurded.
One of his wild accusations backfired and so now the tables have turned on him and he just looks pathetic.
From Websters Dictionary (Please look it up if you doubt it)
Main Entry:con·text Pronunciation: \ˈkän-ˌtekst\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, weaving together of words, from Latin contextus connection of words, coherence, from contexere to weave together, from com- + texere to weave — more at technicalDate:circa 1568 1 : the parts of a discourse that surround a word or passage and can throw light on its meaning 2 : the interrelated conditions in which something exists or occurs : environment, setting <the historical context of the war> — con·text·less \-ˌtekst-ləs\ adjective — con·tex·tu·al \kän-ˈteks-chə-wəl, kən-, -chəl, -chü-əl\ adjective — con·tex·tu·al·ly adverb I would like to point out that it says SURROUND, not before. please, when telling others what words mean, please know yourself.The important thing to watch is not Rush (unless you just like freak shows) but the "regular" media. If they highlight these statements from a national figure like Rush, let Rush defend himself, clearly indicate where Rush has altered the transcript posted on his own web site, interview the people at Vote Vets and then interview a service man or woman in Iraq as they listen to Rush, then the real story will come out.
With all the information in such plain view, this whole episode is a clear home run for the regular media.
However, if the Regular Media does not follow up and tries to either ignore this issue or spin it in some benign way, then not only Rush "owns defeat" (to use one of his own favorite phrases) when it comes to the success of our news media, but the failure must be shared by "regular" news organizations.
Wait and see....
Sluggo you are an enlightened being. the true test will be how the medias covers this and compare to how it covered the moveon ad.
John Henry, I don't want to seem to be picking on you since we essentially agree, but...
This would only be a test if there was any chance the MSM would take up the challenge. That test was already failed when not one of the MSM outlets (that I am aware of at least) discussed the content of the Move On ad - only the headline - which they misrepresented as calling Petreas a traitor, a betrayer, etc.
As we at MMA have known for a long, long time, the MSM only pay lip service to balance, fairness - even honesty. Ninety-five percent of the talking heads (at least) either regularly and knowingly lie or uncritically pass along what they know to be untrue.
These tests have been repeatedly failed - that is why MMA and a few hundred other websites I have visited even exist. No danger the need for them is gonna suddenly vanish in the foreseeable future.
How nice of Mr. Limbaugh to show the world that he thinks soldiers are illiterate, unable to think and must be spoonfed facts because they don't know any better and then refer to him as a suicide bomber?
WHy does his radio show and O'Reilly's and all the other foolish ones get broadcast to the soldiers while others don't? Why does one republican congressman want to put forth a motion praising Limbaugh because he has an adopt a soldier that lets someone else pay for the soldier's right to listen or read the paid section of the Limbaugh show? It's the same with O'Reilly - why does he get to send over free copies of his books where he denigrates a large segment of the population? Why are people standing for this one sided use of access to the soldiers?
Very good questions. Why, indeed.
I've complained in the past, and written to Limbaugh himself about how despicable it is to make money off of the soldiers like that. Adopt a soldier is just a money-making ploy; it's a way to get people to pay for extra memberships. If he were truly patriotic and cared about the troops he could allow troops to log in to his site and view the content for FREE. It costs him literally NOTHING to allow soldiers access to an-already paid for site. They are viewing electrons, not using up diminishable goods. I can understand the paper newsletter costs Rush, but not the website content; that's been paid for many, many times over. He's a fat user, nothing more. I'd be ashamed to make money off of the troops in that manner, especially when they already receive his broadcast. He should be thankful they listen to him at all.
Hope not, laughing themselves sick? Maybeso.
The thing is changing as it trys to remain the same.
I hope for some serious brain power considerring possiblities for this unusual conflict.
Hey I'm in good form today the above was for Fawltylogic a ways back. Regarding head to wall contact. A behavior I can speak of with some authority. ;-)
Limbaugh's latest batch of comments are sickening on so many levels. First off, he still refuses to own up to his comments, even when confronted by a wounded Iraq War Vet. Second, he portrays Brian McGough as brainwashed by VoteVets.org, an organization created by veterans to give veterans a voice. Third, Limbaugh's subtle use of language seems to cast wounded Iraq War Veteran McGough as a jihadist-style suicide bomber instead of a hero--and VoteVets as a terrorist organization instead of an advocacy group. Note the language: Limbaugh says VoteVets "strapp[ed] those lies to his belt. . ." (allusion to a explosives belt or vest used by suicide bomber). Then VoteVets ". . .sen[t] him out via the media in a TV ad to walk into as many people as he can walk into." (emphasis mine) Here Limbaugh makes another allusion to a suicide bomber. But instead of walking into a crowded market to inflict maximum causalities the site of the attack is a TV ad "beamed" to millions. This is only my read on what Limbaugh said and what Limbaugh meant--but I think his words and word choice were beyond the pale. He should be sacked by his employers and condemned by congress as moveon.org was for the Patraeus/Betray Us? Ad.
Memo to Limbaugh:
Iraq war veteran Brian McGough can think for himself because, unlike you, his mind is free of drugs. This veteran has every right to voice his opinion-and he has earned it. McGough does not need your approval.
McGough served proudly in the military. He is a hero and you are a phony coward. You were not cutout to be in the military anyway, Limbaugh. You couldn't pass the physical-being overweight.
Nutwingers Sean and Bill are wasting their time trying to defend you. Personally, you are not worth defending. You are a despicable wingnut who can't keep a wife.
The ad would make more sense if Limbaugh had ACTUALLY called McGough a 'phony soldier'. But, as the Swiftboat ads proved, facts are secondary in a good ad campaign.
you so funny ... since John Kerry didn't name any names in his botched joke about Bush, then by your logic, no soldier could have anything to say about what he said ...
And Rush used the term "phony soldiers" ... plural ... and did not refer specifically to one named person in the lead-up to the insult ... unless you're going by the criminal who doctored the evidence that he's trying to present to the jury ...
The more I look at Rush's statement, with its allusion to a suicide bomber, the more disturbing and offensive it becomes. Anyone who dissents from the Republican pro-war line is equated with terrorists, even American soldiers who were wounded fighting in Iraq. Forget about Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" comment for a moment, this comment about strapping lies to Brian McGough's belt and sending him out among people is about as dirty and offensive as you can get. I'll say it again...Limbaugh's so-called support for our troops is very selective. If a soldier is disposed against the war then Limbaugh considers him an enemy, and fair game. too.
To Limbaugh and the GOP, the real war is between them and the Democrats and anyone who take the D's side. Actual military operations are just incidental to the real war.
At long last, Mr. Limbaugh, have you no shame?
What is interesting to me is that Limbaugh continues to both evade and deny the real issue: Are there real, dedicated, patriotic, sincere soldiers who oppose the war in Iraq? Limbaugh refuses to answer that question, even while smearing a soldier who claims to be one.
Exactly !!!!!!!!!
LOL I was struck by the comment about Rush's lack of class. I suppose the liberals' idea of classiness is Democrat Senators wasting our tax dollars concerning themselves with Rush. Or maybe it was the comments of Tom Harkin, who childishly suggested that Rush was "high on his drugs again". BTW, since the Democrats are so concerned with Rush, and since they clearly consider themselves superior in every regard to Rush, why doesn't Harry Reid take Rush up on his offer and go on Rush's show? He's been offically invited on to discuss the matter "man to man". Ah, I see now. Rush would be the only man there.
Keep it up liberals. You provide all the evidence we need that you have nothing to offer but anger, lies, and incoherence.
Amazing ... not only do you rush (pun intended) to the defense of someone who truly destroyed his mind with drugs, you even designate your online name using a guy who died of a drug overdose ...
Der Buss if Rush Limbaugh is yur idea of class I hope I never meet you.
"Keep it up liberals. You provide all the evidence we need that you have nothing to offer but anger, lies, and incoherence."---Buzz Sawyer
Once again, projection.
So I take it you're pretty disgusted with the Senate wasting our tax dollars on a resolution about MoveOn? Fair enough.
Speaking of talking "man to man" on the show, when is he going to have Jon Soltz on?
Rush Limbaugh continues to disparage American troops and he continues to undermine the United States of America. This country’s ideals will increase in value on the day that his is fired.
Limbaugh has the loony-left, moon-bats on the ropes yet again. The smear campaigns waged against have only served to solidify his support, increase his audience and insure his continued commercial success. Keep it up, you jerks. No, seriously...keep it up.
"Limbaugh has the loony-left, moon-bats on the ropes yet again."
Funny, but when I listened to Limbaugh yesterday he sounded like he was the one who was hung up on the ropes. And people like you cheer him with "Youve got those liberals exactly where you want them, Rush."
Rush is scared because he can't wiggle out of his lies as smoothly as he usually does. Better get used to it
"Keep it up, you jerks. No, seriously...keep it up."---F*ckhead
F*ckhead, you never us treated with respect and you have no plans to do so in the future. Your threats mean nothing.
served to solidify his support, increase his audience and insure his continued commercial success. Phrophet
Phrophet, let the kool-aid flow. What is it grape today or cherry?
Someone here was going to compile a list of this guy's sponsors. Has that been done yet? If so, where can I find it?
Compile away! Rush's sponsors aren't like the leftwing weenies who coware at the first sign of demoagoguery. Rush has you people all in a snit because he spoke the truth. The military knows the truth, so much so that Rush was honered with the Marine Corps-Law enforcement award for his massive fundraising for families of fallen soldiers. Name a single liberal that can claim such a distinction. The ninnies and naysayers who falsely accuse Rush of disrespecting the troops are either lying or ignorant.
Media Matters and is going to rue the day they started down this road. Lies only go so far, and when people begin to figure out Hillary's direct connection to MM, she'll be doomed.
Rue the day? Who talks like that?
Zounds, knave! Hast thou no capabilities for higher mental capacities? This purveyor of filth must be of the nobility, and I and my men recognize him as such! Bully to you, O Troll, for your astute yet fanatical grasp of the Queen's Tongue!
The military knows the truth, so much so that Rush was honered with the Marine Corps-Law enforcement award for his massive fundraising for families of fallen soldiers. BuzzSawyer
Damn right the military knows the truth. Heck everyone knows the truth. Limbo has no ba**s to serve when asked but he sure don't mind everyone else serving.
By the way, were was Rush when his country was at war in Vietnam and requested his services? Oh yeah he has a pimple on his big butt and couldn't sit down. Oh yeah, that's what called serving his country, fundraising.
I think he and Bill Clinton had the same draft board.
Al Franken (the freshman senator from Minnysohtah) has actually been in theatre with the USO.
So sad. You libs, 99.99% of whom have never listened to Limbaugh in the first place, regurgitate the leftwing assaults against him.
Seriously, Limbaugh has gone to Iraq or Afghanistan to visist the troops, and was treated like royalty. Ditto for Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity and others. Hillary, Reid, Pelosi and Kerry are generally ignored by our troops , unless (for the most part) they are forced to speak to these TRAITORS.
And all your leftwing ranting and taking Limbaugh out of context won't change that the next time Rush visits the troops. This will blow over, unlike Murtha's and Kerry's traitorous comments.
To Irony101, Rush called McGough a hero, not an enemy. If you read more instead of spouting off, you might know that.
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Yes, poor poor Rush, He would never say anything against our brave troops who faught in Iraq (PAUL HACKETT WAS THERE TO PAD HIS RESUME) or take any vet's words out of context to make political hay (KERRY SAID ONLY STUPID PEOPLE END UP IN IRAQ) or even call into question their status as a soldiers (BOTH KERRY NOT EARNING HIS MEDALS AND MURTHA ALSO NOW A PHONEY SOLDIER). Thank god Rush is above all of this.
And it is a shame that the Dem's are trying to score political points during Congress rather than taking care of important matters (RESOLUTION AGAINST THE MOVEON.ORG AD) and good that someone like you is calling them on it.
What is sad is you. Neither Limbaugh nor O'Reilly have visited the troops in Iraq or Afghanistan. I doubt that Sean Hannity has either. I don't know where you get off talking for the troops and how they feel about visits from Hillary Clinton, or others.
Isn't that the problem? that Rush will only go to the war zone if he's "treated like royalty". God forbid he'd ever actually join and have to get his hands dirty.
I really do not care about the slam dunks between the Dems and the Repub...
what is pretty stupid is that this made it to the senate floor - Has Harry lost his brain ? how petty - its like a cat fight - Rush says something - Harry says something and bam one gets mad when it can't take the heat and thinks it should be resolved in senate... get over it.... senate is not the place for a cat fight over who said what... don't we have more important things to cover - like the stupid - lets cover all children -nsurance with the tax payers money.... any child now can go into any emergency room and get cared for , with the tax payers taxes.. any poverty child now on welfare gets tax payer insurance free care or low payment - disability kids gets tax payer care though disability, no child is left without a doctor - either in the emergency room - or goverment programs, so why screw the tax payer again, - unless you Hillary are trying to cover all of the illegal babies born here ...that parents work here illegally - If a parent works at a company that offers insurance they should be automatically enrolled in insurance- and the dead beat dads should be awaken from their sleep and made to pay child support and medical... why is it we always have to pay not only for our own kids but for people that don't cover their own... Our government already pays for medical for everyone not insured, either though welfare - disability - emergency room help or private insurance . Whats up "with millions don't have health care" ? I think the government wants us to be so reliant on them for everything that we have no reason to better ourselves... and thus we can bow down to government for everything, we need less government and more people stepping up to the plate ... i don't want global religion, insurance or government... which is why i love my country - i have a choice..if up to our goverment we would not have a choice of anything - it would be dictated their way or no way....
@anita.green8198:
A couple of things:
1) If one party or ideological side is going to apply standards and make precedent for action against another side, it should be applied equally to that "accusing" side as well. Glenn Greenwald has been covering situations like this over at his blog at Salon.com. If Congress is going to pass a resolution condemning MoveOn.Org for for their Petreus ad, saying it's wrong to disparage our military service members and veterans, then they should pass resolutions condemning anyone who disparages them - even Rush Limbaugh. The precedent has been set - I don't like it at all, but if it applies to Moveon.Org, it should apply to everyone.
2) Regarding the children's insurance rant - any child born here, by definition, is a US citizen. There can be no such thing as "illegal babies born here". I just thought you should know. This statement is not to be construed as agreement with or disagreement with you insurance-related statements.
This is hilarious. Rush denigrates yet ANOTHER one of our proud soldiers, and his minions come here to rant about liberals. It's a wonder that the cognitive dissodence doesn't cause your collective brains to explode.
If one wants to see a "phony soldier" look no further than the Chimperor in is flight jacket declairing "Mission Accomlished."
Best comment on the thread!
I think this deserves its own poster:
GWB in full padded flightsuit, with these words superimposed:
They never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media. ...
The phony soldiers.
Confucius say:
"Starving monkey eat OWN crap"
"I think Rush is simultaneously lying about what he said (actually, that's a fact, and his editing of the transcripts proves as much)"
Editing of transcripts? What the hell are you talking about. Rush doesn't have to edit transcripts. He can play back a recording of what he said. (Of course you will just misinterpret it again).
"And yes, I believe Patraeus can think for himself, and deliberately chose to present incomplete information to the Senate.
Oh really? Where's your proof?
It never ceases to amaze me how liberals can just say whatever they want and attack whoever they want and they will be believed even they have no facts to back them up.
Hell, liberals are afraid of the true facts. The true facts will only expose them as the liars, propagandists and manipulators that they really are.
I don't care what it is, I don't know of a single liberal cause that anyone can make a legitimate argument for, based on logic and TRUE FACTS.
Liberals are all liars and they know it. Otherwise they would try to promote their ideas based on LOGIC and FACTS instead of their opinions, lies, innuendo, and twisting around what the other guy said.
What a bunch of phonies.
Instead of Harry Reid asking that Murtha apologize for his comments about the Haditha marines, or even condemn them. He writes a letter to Clear Channel wanting an apology. Mr Reid you have no right condemn one and pat the other on the back. While I'm on the subject, Mr. Murtha please apologize, stop being stubborn, stand up and be a man.
You wouldn't know a FACT if you found it having inappropriate relations with your mother. All you need to see that Limbaugh edited the transcripts is (1) look at the original discussion and (2) see what he's presenting as the "original discussion" now. If you deny that it's changed, you're lying or you're unable to read.
Regarding Patraeus: I believe indicates an opinion. Look up the definition. Hopefully you're better at using a dictionary than Tommy is when he tried to figure out what ironic means. It is my opinion that Patraeus selectively and deliberately kept information out of his presentation to the Senate. My reasoning behind this is: 1) the information that he could have presented to give the Senate a complete picture would have hurt his boss' agenda, and 2) the information he could have presented was readily available to anyone who wanted to get to it, so it's not as if it was a secret. I do not believe that Patraeus is an idiot, so I do not believe that he just didn't know this information - I choose to believe that our commanders and politicians, for the most part, are not stupid, even though they can occasionally be unethical.
1. ok 2. ok guess what same conclusion. You know what I heard his entire show that day and as soon as the words "phony soldiers" came out of his mouth I knew exactly what he was speaking of (Jesse Macbeth, Scott Beauchamp, and the likes). You guys spew how misinformed the right is all the time, yet when it comes to this case you seem to not even know that this stuff is occuring. And yes many on the left are putting these guys on pedestals, only to be taken for a ride when the TRUTH comes out. Do you ever hear apologies from the left concerning that FACT. I always thought that our senators and congress people were the most informed, but it seems to me that they have never even heard of these "phony soldiers". I guess they need to get their information from other places. If this is the best you have, then I truely feel sorry for you.
Thanks for proving my point. You know you don't have any FACTS to refute my argument so instead you attack me personally. What a typical liberal response.
And WHO edited the transcripts? It was MM and MoveOn.Org and every other liberal propaganda website out there. Not Rush. But why read transcripts? You can go to his website and LISTEN TO THE AUDIO! Of course then I suppose you'd try to tell me he doctored the audio too.
As far as your comments about General Patraeus, well, at least you admit that this is your opinion. Unfortunately, it's still not THE FACTS, it's only your opinion and as such has no relevance to anything or anyone but yourself. If you can't back it up with FACTS (which I know you can't), then keep your opinions to yourself.
And by the way, it's been a pleasure pissing you off. Your reply illustrates my points beautifully.
"WHO edited the transcripts?"
Rush did. Pointed that out, and it's been pointed out here multiple times. Feel free to compare the original transcript with what he has on his website. Unless he's changed it back to what he originally said as a CYA measure (considering even the traditionally conservatives hosts on local talk radio in NC have admitted that editing your transcript to make it seem like you're right is a crappy thing to do), it will differ from what he originally said. Of course, you've already admitted that you're adverse to reading anything, so I'm sure you'll pardon me if I don't hold my breath in that regard!
Feel free to take glee in the idea that maybe your idiocy has somehow upset me. I determined long ago that deliberate stupidity is a fact of life among mouthbreathers like yourself that look at the world with eyes open, but choose to see absolutely nothing. Congratulations on that - I can't imagine you're a young chicken, either, so it's likely taken years of deliberate stupidity to get to the knee-jerk BS-mongering level that you're at now. I imagine you're very proud of yourself and and the rest of your ichor-spreading compatriots who are steadfastly attempting to flush this country down the toilet. No worries, my friend. Those of us who actually know the significance of the Constitution will eventually clean up your mess, just in time for your great-great-great-grandchildren to take it over and muck it all up again.
Yes, you've got him. He did edit it, and in fact he will tell you he edited it and why. Unlike here where you keep putting up the same tired transcript and point out that nothing before or after what you say to be the original matters. I heard a talk show today where the guest was MM's Paul (?). He was all over Rush talking about what Rush said, what was implied and what Rush meant. When faced with (yet again) FACTS when Hillary stated that she started MM. Someones lying. And so your also telling me that you can imply what one person means, but when someone says "....institutions that I helped to start and support, like Media Matters and Center for American Progress" they don't actually mean that.
Pardon, but what in God's name does Hillary have to do with Rush comparing a wounded soldier to a terrorist suicide bomber?
Hey, Weber, have you LOOKED at the original transcript and heard the original audio, and compared them to limbaugh's MANIPULATED versions? They are out there and in exist in the reality universe. I have done so. the evidence is clear. he altered them both. end of story. perhaps you BELIEVE his alterations are not in fact alterations. That is ok. you are entitled to that opinion. But your opnion is not a fact. this is a very simple thing. even my simple mind can handle it. give it a shot.
Funny thing all this hoopla over whether Rush altered the transcript or he used the plural "Phoney Soldiers". How nitpicky do you have to get?
Yes, that is my opinion. But do you think it just might be possible that MM is promoting all this hoopla just to cover up for the FACT that they screwed up BIGTIME?
You cant deny that making an ad about war atrocities claimed by this MacBeth character and then it turns out that he really is a Phoney Soldier is a MAJOR SCREWUP. You'd a thought that MM woulda checked this guy out a little bit, but NOOOOOOOOOO. NOW THAT IS A FACT!!
As usual, these leftists can't argue with the truth so they attack the messenger instead. So what if Rush did make a few alterations? That's nothing compared to the real story and that's the FACT that MM made themselves look iike idiots. Oh and by the way, those of you who were paying attention know that Rush did issue an apology.
Anyway, I'm loving this. Last couple of weeks it been all about MoveOn.orgs major screwup regarding General Petraeus. Now this week it's all about MM getting egg all over their face.
Seems like the leftys are there own worst enemy.
"True facts."
You mean as opposed to conservative facts?
So now they are suicide bombers too... Limbaugh America's #1 A-hole
I was reading the comments. I was going to reply to a comment, but as I kept reading, I thought to myself "why bother?". I wanted to check out this sight, since I have heard so much controversy about Media Matters.
WOW! I have been exposed to so many ignorant people gathered on one website. Unbelievable! This site is IGNORANCE TO THE EXTREME!!! Why don't you people start thinking for yourselves? Pay attention to what is going on in this country and form your OWN opinion.
The level of ignorance is getting to be very scary! Please educate yourselves. The only thing you have to do is think rationally and have some common sense.
Dawn, do you have any specific examples? You were going to reply to a comment, but you didn't. Why not?
Because, as I saw you write on another thread, you're a dittohead, and can only type vague generalities and repeat what Rush has told you.
Turn Rush off for a day, and open your eyes.
Poor Pusbag. Maybe he should hook some more viagra from a rich pervert buddy and head on down to the Dominican Republic for a week of fun & relaxation with the kiddies. Take his tiny mind off things.
Wow. Great post. You continue to prove all my points about liberals. You have replied with nothing but lies, insults, propaganda--but you have no facts to back anything up. Again, a typically liberal response.
I can understand why liberals would need to know the significance of the Consitution. Otherwise you wouldn't know which pieces to throw out so you could replace it with stuff like Hilary care (aka. socialism), "It takes a village" (aka. collectivism and totalitarianism), and the Fairness Doctrine (aka. the suppression of free speech, aka. fascism), all of which are unconstitutional by the way. And that's a FACT!!
Oh it's just too obvious that I've pushed your buttons and pissed you off. Your rantings and ravings just prove my point.
Oh well, now that you've completely fallen into all my traps and I've WON THE ARGUMENT DECISIVELY, I grow weary. I will toy with you no further. On to bigger and better things.
No hard feelings.
Your discussion of the fairness doctrine shows me you know as much about the Constitution as my doorknob does. Air waves are regulated. the government prevents us from broadscasting on it. If I wanted to broadcast the government would come and stop me. this is like a soapbox in the park and the mayor only allows people who agree with him to use it. that is censorship. that is what you support.. you are a phony.
So you're telling me that the government only allows conservative views to be broadcast on the radio? No liberal views allowed?
Excuse me. I have to stop laughing before I go on. That is the most ridiculous thing I've heard all day. the TRUTH is there have been many attempts by liberals to create various liberal oriented broadcasts on the radio, all of which have failed miserably due to lack of listener interest.
Excuse me, but radio and the internet are the only venues left for conservatives to air their ideas. The liberals have taken over television and the print media. The Fairness Doctrine is nothing but a thinly veiled attempt to violate free speech by taking that away from them in the name of "equal time", which curiously enough, the first amendment makes no mention of.
The trouble with liberals is that they all in favor of an "open" discussion of ideas as long as they don't disagree with any of those ideas.
And when you say I know as much about the Constitution as your doorknob does, you are right. I assume of course that you could only be talking about the Constitution of Cuba.
"Oh it's just too obvious that I've pushed your buttons and pissed you off. Your rantings and ravings just prove my point.
Oh well, now that you've completely fallen into all my traps and I've WON THE ARGUMENT DECISIVELY, I grow weary. I will toy with you no further. On to bigger and better things.
No hard feelings". ---JWWEBER
No, no hard feelings. Now back to the swingset. Watch it! You're stepping on hands again. Be careful!
still haven't compared the transcripts yet, weber? i know, i know. too painful to do the actual work. much easier to bluster, take your toys and go home, declaring yourself the winner, with a few nya nyas over the shoulder to boot. how defeated we all feel.
What transcripts are you talking about?
I compared the excerpts quoted on this website with the one at rushlimbaughdotcom, and they were essentially word-for-word identical. The only difference was in paragraph-break decisions, which is the result of transcribing an oral conversation.
Take note that I compared the transcript of the original show, the one whare the comment was made, not the exerpted replay from Friday, Septemer 28. The replay left out some irrelevant discussion which strengthened Rush's position, if it did anything. I know that's what some of you are squawking about.
Don't let the door hit you in the brain on your way out.
Thanks, JWeber- funniest satire I've seen in a while. I might say it was a little over the top, but Rush fans are actually almost as stoopid as your character.
BTW, I'm a big fan of the "declaring victory" part- very popular with the dittoheads who are tired of being beat and need an "exit strategy".
Does anyone know if Rush Limbaugh has EVER issued an honest apology?I think there needs to be a distinction made here between being "right" and simply lacking the dignity and character to admit when one is wrong.I would think being presented with a straight forward transcript of your obvious "misrepresentations" would lead one towards at least some admission of regret...
Limbaugh is as capable of admitting error as Weber ^^^^^ is incapable of using the "reply to" link. *LOL*
You might try listening to his program once in awhile. I have heard him issue honest apologies for making mistakes on a number of occasions.
"Oh well, now that you've completely fallen into all my traps and I've WON THE ARGUMENT DECISIVELY, I grow weary. I will toy with you no further."
I'll just let this one stand on its own.Hey, all Rushbo has to do is explain that he thinks soldiers who speak out against the war are "real" soldiers and have a right to do so.
Issue over.
I agree with you, that that would have been the best answer. But as Geraldo Rivera said, "I don't believe anything Rush Limbaugh says." He also said he had the same approach to either Media Matters, or MoveOn, I don't remember which.
Since I can tell that most of the anti-Rush commenters here are in the "I don't believe anything rush says" crowd, I kinda doubt that the matter would end with a simple statement on his part.
It might end, however, if Media Matters would admit that it took his words and assigned a meaning to them that wasn't there in the broadcast.
Note the mission of Media Matters: "Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." (Emphasis mine.)
Wait a minute, I don't want to misquote them. they don't say that's their MISSION, they say that's WHO THEY ARE.
So why in the world would you trust an admittedly partisan organization to be "truthful" in their comments about another admitted partisan? You shouldn't. Do your own research and reach your own conclusions.
Why do you even bother with that right-wingnut blowhard? Only the "Dittoheads" and those too lazy to inform themselves pay any attention. Limbaugh is an unfunny comedian who craves the lime-light. Turn off the light and he will wilt like a weed.
"This man will always be a hero to this country with everyone."
Yeah. Until he runs for office as a Democrat, eh Rush?
Unbelievable!
I'd be willing to bet anything that the majority of people who post to this site never hear Rush Limbaugh's show. Yet what they read in MMFA, an organization started by Hillary Clinton (as she stated at the YearlyKos convention) so is automatically partisan, they take as gospel.
Here is a statement made on NBC News by William Arkin:
"These soldiers should be grateful that the American public, which by all polls overwhelmingly disapproves of the Iraq war and the President's handling of it, do still offer their support to them, and their respect. Through every Abu Ghraib and Haditha, through every rape and murder, the American public has indulged those in uniform, accepting that the incidents were the product of bad apples or even of some administration or command order.Sure it is the junior enlisted men who go to jail, but even at anti-war protests, the focus is firmly on the White House and the policy. We just don't see very man "baby killer" epithets being thrown around these days, no one in uniform is being spit upon.So, we pay the soldiers a decent wage, take care of their families, provide them with housing and medical care and vast social support systems and ship obscene amenities into the war zone for them, we support them in every possible way, and their attitude is that we should in addition roll over and play dead, defer to the military and the generals and let them fight their war, and give up our rights and responsibilities to speak up because they are above society?"Did MMFA make any comment about that statement? Do those who believe Limbaugh should be taken off the air also believe the same about William Arkin?
Was that in response to the Right's insistence that challenging Patraeus' testimony to Congress was unpatriotic and none of our business, because it is the responsibility of the generals, who know better?
Right off the top, the Liberals supporting troops comment, we are all Americans and every American supports it's troops regardless of the situation, regardless of the conflict, regardless your political party. You have some people that call themselves Conservative and some that call themselves Liberal, that's fine, but you are a group that is more interested in going at one another, finding fault with what the other group says or does and you repeat the information you get from other people in your group. The rest of us are citizens of this country who are getting fed up with your crap. Until you figure out that your arguements have no effect on government policy you are only being pleased by sound of your own voice, or pleased with your latest blast of words that you think are effective but mean nothing to the rest of us other than showing your ignorance.
Rather than hanging on everyword that sputters out of Limbaughs mouth how about actually reading and listening to what the actual government officials have to say, this goes for the people running for office, consider what they say instead of what somebody says they said. This division amoung our citizens is a severe waste of time and is only causing more hatred. Many of these comments here are full of hate and why? Because you are mad because somebody doesn't agree with you so you have to say something stupid so you will feel better. To those outside your group of political party people it is immature,repetitive and meaningless.
It's bad enough we are fighting an invisible war against an invisible enemy, but now we add fighting each other over party ideals. I realize that in your mind you feel important and influencial but nothing could be farther from the truth. It's fantastic that you have an interest in politics but consider taking interest in our government which is in serious need of change. If we don't find common ground we will find an even more serious situation than we already have.
I read through the third page of comments, and decided I had enough. Having heard the original broadcast of Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" incident, read transcripts, and heard the playbacks on MM and Fox News, I agree that Rush was in agreement with his caller in accusing those servicemen who oppose the war "phony soldiers", and repeated the phrase accordingly. As far as I'm concerned, from that aural instance, there's really little room for interpretation or misinterpretation of his comments without flying into left field.
However, though I have no love for Limbaugh, I think that inferring that Rush was calling McGough an idiot (in so many words) in his response to McGough's statements regarding the "phony soldiers" comment, is just as extreme as "conservatives" accusing "liberals" of misinterpreting Limbaugh's statement.
The media, under either extremist influence, has projected this ridiculous notion that our political climate is entirely polarized. That it's only black and white. This only perpetuates the extremes of "conservative" and "liberal", and attempts to draw perfectly reasonable people in the middle onto either side.
The media is perpetually creating the conflict on which it feeds. Political talk show hosts are eating this garbage up. I don't care who you are: if you are paid to solicit your political opinion, you're not genuinely concerned about our country, just your pocketbook.
Jeez, I just listened to the audio clip, and I just don't see how what Rush said is anything less than reasonable and coherent.
Media Matters needs some common sense. This is getting silly. Go back to the MoveOn.org guys and knock some sense into them as well.
I heard what Rush said each and every time. At no time has he ever said anything against a vet. What Media Matters and the lap dogs that believe them is to change the subject from ScootOn.org to someone else. Which DEMOCRAT have you heard praising the troops a few years back? They have always hated the military including, Bubba Clinton and his witch wife. Yes, I said it Media Doesn’tmatter who gets their marching orders from the witch.
what a bunck of horse manure. Rash has attacked murtha, kerry, mccain, cleland - just to name a FEW. Dems are the ones who fight every year for vets benefits, VA hospital improvements, armor for soldiers, etc. list goes on forever. dems care about SOLDIERS. Rash and Repugs care about WAR. Man these dittoheads are a piece of work.
Please go to securingamerica.org and send a message to Congress to pull the fat drugged-up limdick off the Armed Forces Radio. We, as taxpayers, are paying that champion POS to broadcast his conservanazi propaganda to our troops.
Please go to securingamerica.org and send the message.
Isn't it sweet to have all these ditto-heads come here - must be a lovely fairyland they live it, with limbaugh as the munchkin mayor. cant you just hear the helium in their shrill desperate voices ...
Liberals had always supported the troops. Conservatives only really support the war. And these right-wing radio/TV talk shows lunatics want nothing but chaos in Iraq and Afghanistan while at the same time tell there listeners how we must stay or else. The conservatives all have an invested interests to not only "stay the course" but expand it to Iran and beyond.
Moments ago, I visited the website of Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga), leaving an angry comment. Link as follows:
http://kingston.house.gov/blog/?p=732#respond
I see that comment moderation at the Jack Kingston website has been enabled. In case my comment is rejected, here is the full text of what I left:
So it remains to be seen if Kingston’s court decides to keep my comment or delete it. I wouldn’t be surprised to find it missing by morning. Damn! What a bunch of low-lifes, these neo-cons.
Bravo to you, your daughter, and your family. I hope your family becomes uninterrupted soon!
Thank you for posting here. May your sweet family soon be together again. Good health to you and all who love you.
i believe spocko has the entire situation summed up perfectly on his blog:
http://www.spockosbrain.com/
When you are busted for saying something horrible on right-wing radio there are multiple methods that are used to deal with any controversy. Here is a partial list. I have an example in mind for all of them. They range from:
also, its important to have a wide reaching echo machine to constantly obfuscate the entire event, by lying about other's comments, as well as your own.
This is one of the best things I have read EVER.
It out to be printed out and faxed to that fat liar until his machine breaks down, and e-mailed until his computer bank crashes, and phoned into him until his phone lines go down.
http://armyofdude.blogspot.com/2007/09/real-deal.html
Absolutely the best thing. EVER.
Wow. Just freakin' Wow. thank you.
Thanks, a nice big helping dose of reality, just the thing to clear my head for the day.
LOL Excellent! Rush gets another week of free publicity at the hands of the leftist toll McGough. You people are unreal. Does the term "hook, line and sinker" mean anything to you?
Keep it up! Conservatives are loving this stuff! :)
If you Google "Hannity in Iraq" and "O'Reilly in Iraq" you will see that both of them, like Rush, have indeed been to Iraq . All three were treated like the VIPs they are.
Unlike "The Cackler" and that guy who voted for the Iraq War (before he voted against it), and who made up all kind of lies about his own military service and falsely disparaged veterans--in Vietnam AND Iraq).
Only a handfull of soldiers wanted to talk to either of these two douchbags, and I have a strong hunch that most of them were forced to for a photo op.
Sorry, libs, but we veterans know the real pusbags when we see them.
(A)ll Democrats in the military are not phony soldiers, but all phony soldiers seem to be Democrats. -- Ann Coulter
Hey, Barnie -- Rash was in Afghanistan, not Iraq. but close enough for windup dittoheads and 29 percenters. maybe he got a deferment on Iraq. wouldn't be the first for him and the warmonger in D.C. no way should limbaugh be censored. he routinely wrecks himself better than any censor ever could.
also, megathanks for all the visits from you dittoheads -- more visits = more dough for MM.
shorter rash and dittoheads: "how dare you take rush's exact words and cite them specifically, without editing, in order to point out that what he says is revolting?"
**also, megathanks for all the visits from you dittoheads -- more visits = more dough for MM.**
We newbies may be new here, but we aren't new everywhere. Thanks for the (unnecessary) reminder.
We are well aware that the primary reason MMFA goes off this way is to get new "members" so they can brag about their numbers. But I don't see many ads on the site, so I don't think they're really interested in ad money. Mostly they'll get some more contributions from the Entitlementalists that hadn't heard of them before.
A Bedtime Story: If Rush Were Smart...
He would have said something like..."Bad choice of words, sorry if I offended anyone, I certainly did not mean to."
But in typical Rush fashion, he gets out the old shovel and digs himself a deeper hole.
The End.
Another bedtime story: Rush digs a hole and the liberals jump right in! LOL
Now run along to bed young'un.
You progressives need to be honest with yourselves and the public. It is evident that Limbaugh did not include B. McGough in the category of "Phoney Soldiers" as defined by ABC. Not one of you know what the handlers at VoteVet planted in his head. It is obvious the oganization is biased and most likely funded by confirmed socialist G. Soros. The ignorance of the Senators and Representatives comments on official time was incredible. Where are the statesman of yesterday? We have no leaders with vision, honor, integrity, they are all knee jerk hacks - yes this includes the Republicrats and Demicans. There are bigger problems in the world than the obvious nonstory trumpeted by this web site. Do your homework people, keep your minds open and learn. Stop the madness that is tearing at the very fabric of this country.
Stated like a drug induced junkie. It's ironic he talks about libs portraying phony soldiers when the GOP have an iraq vet amputee stating he would go back to Iraq if he could. If that were the case the reps would not hesitate to send him back with just one leg.Rush is better suited digging through trash cans to find drug prescriptions than spewing the bizarre statements he makes. Just another example of a good ol boy mentality
How about posting the entire audio clip of Limbaugh's phoney soldiers comments. No edits. Once you edit it at all it's no longer evidence. Post it from the first caller through the Jesse Macbeth part, with no edits whatsoever. I know it would be long, but if I have to listen to 5 or 10 minutes of Rush...yuck... I will to get the demonstrable truth.
Bob
I agree. Play the whole thing. The demonstrable truth will be evident. Medi Matters is lying again, this time about.
Proof that dittoheads can only hear one voice:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/04/votevets-censored
Ooooooh!
Just listening to Limbaugh and heard a quote from the Hildabeast claiming to be a founder of the (mainstream liberal) Media (which no longer really) Matters. (MLMWNLRM)
Of course, she could be just lying, like that guy who claimed to have taken the initiative and "developed" the Internet. (Technically, he never claimed to have "invented" it.)
Potential IRS issues for MLMWNLRM
Also, heard a clip of Wesley Clark demanding censorship of Rush. How...liberal of him. What a phoney...American.
Not only is your name "Barnyard," your post if full of stuff usually found in barnyards."
(Hint: It's part of what Gen Petraeus' CO, Adm Fallon, called him)
Rush commented about the ad without seeing it because it had yet to be aired. I haven't seen it either, not because I don't want to (although I don't), but because it just hasn't been on when I've been watching TV. I assume he had a precis of it.
I agree with Rush, because if you read the comments on the ad, and the soldier's response, it's clear he has no clue as to what Rush said.
Limbaugh referred to war veteran Brian McGough as a suicide bomber. He will soon be off the airwaves.
MCGOVERNOR, You picked a great name.
"And, my belief that we are on the wrong course in Iraq is real. Until you have the guts to call me a "phony soldier" to my face, stop telling lies about my service." - Brian McGough
Where can we find Brian? This Marine would like to tell him to his face that he has become a useful idiot for the anti-American left in this country. Someone needs to inform that young man that the admitted liar and discredited journalist David Brock is lying to him about what Limbaugh said.
I sincerely hope that Brian McGough will realize that Media Matters has lied to him and that he is being used by the liars on the left.
However, if he is willfully going along with the lies for political reasons, it saddens this Marine's heart to see McGough become David Brock's Monica Lewinsky.
Have you read the limbaugh transcript? Or are you just following rush's orders like a good marine and accepting what he says? of course you're not a useful idiot for limbaugh-cheney-bush et al. just everyone else is an idiot but you. do you really believe that limbaugh for one moment meant by "phony solders" the 1 or 2 men in the entire world who have claimed to be soldiers in iraq when they were not? is VoteVets full of useful idiots? why can't you just admit that limbaugh and people like you really truly believe that soldiers who have spoken against the war - even those wounded or subsequently killed - are "phony" because they will not swallow your line? you're certainly free to express that opinion. in fact, i don't see why you aren't proud of holding that opinion. alas, you're rather deny what you really believe in your heart because your fat draft-evading hero is on the defensive. that's not very courageouss now, is it, marine?
Well, your remark just proved that republicans have literally no respect for soldiers.
Rush says this ad by VoteVets.org is costing something like $65,000.00.Does anyone know who's paying for it?
That's a lot of scratch for a .org
FOOFERAW:
I did even better than reading a transcript that was edited by the sissies at MMFA; I was listening to Limbaugh when he said it. It was clear he was referring to those who has exaggerated their service and aligned themselves with left-wing groups such as MMFA.
"VoteVets full of useful idiots?"
Apparently, it is. As a Marine I am highly offended by this group claiming that it speaks for all troops and veterans. It is clear that they speak for a tiny minority. If the troops agreed with the propaganda spewed by this group, we all know that the troops would demand that Limbaugh be removed from Armed Forces Radio. They are not because they know that Limbaugh is on their side.
If you think Limbaugh is on the defensive, you haver not been listening to his program this week. He clearly wiped the floor with Harry "Pinky" Reid, who is too much of a sissy to accept Limbaugh's invitation to debate on his program. Now you MMFA sissies would say that Reid would not do so because he is majority leader of the Senate and it would not be dignified to debate Limbaugh. Let me remind you sissies that it was Reid who made a big deal about Limbaugh on the Senate floor. It was phony war hero Tom Harkin who attacked Limbaugh on the Senate floor.
i see you've shown your true colors, "marine." use of "sissies' demonstrates latent need to appear tough by resorting to threats and demeaning language. (i suppose the soldiers who got croaked after they wrote of their opposition to the war in the NYtimes are "dead sissies.") refusal to read limbaugh's editing shows fear of learning that he is in fact a liar who manipulated reality for his own ends. bogus assertion that VoteVets "claims" it speaks for all vets - which it never has done. etc. etc. we are not deluded dittoheads, "marine." we are sentient beings who listen and watch and observe and then form an opinion. I think you are all entitled to your rather obvious opinion that those soldiers who disagree with bush-cheney are "traitors and sissies." but be honest. tell Rash to be honest and just COP TO IT. stop trying to slither out of both ends of the drainpipe at the same time.
Here's an angle no one has explored yet. He is basically saying that all of the vets at votevet.org LIED; how is that for bashing soldiers - calling them liars and insinuating that they are exploiting a fellow soldier.
Keep going Rush; by tomorrow you will have finished your last toe and will have to start on your ankles!!!
Rush is again, 100% correct. This veteran, is being used as a pawn by liberals, after listening to the bogus scandal whipped up against Limbaugh.
I've listened the Limbaugh show segment, and read the mediamatters.org version of the transcript twice. It's perfectly clear that "phony soldiers" means soldiers who have lied about their service and their witnessing of atrocities. An example of 1 specific phoney soldier was even mentioned.
If this veteran were to call up Rush and get on his show, Rush would be the first one to thank him for his service.
You guys here at mediamatters.org are only showing how ridiculous and unethical you are. You've lost any shred of credibility you may have once had.
I see; so you think that soldiers, who are completely capable of fighting a war and handling the daily stresses of bombs and snipers, etc. are suddenly incapable of thinking for themselves. Why is that? Do you feel that soldiers are stupid? You don't think this soldier is capable of listening to Limbaugh's show and reading back the transcripts and understanding it? What are you actually saying about the intelligence of soldiers? And what are you saying about all of the soldiers at votevet.org? You do realize that the "liberals" you say are manipulating this poor, "ignorant" soldier are other soldiers, don't you?
We've got to continue to fight these attacks, but I know we're also people of integrity as true Democrats. That said, I listened to the complete Limbaugh interchange and I really believe Limbaugh was talking about those who masquerade as real soldiers, as "phony soldiers"
Its so much fun to listen to Rush try to defend himself. Since he mainly talks to people who agree with him, he is completely unable to build a convincing argument.
That's why talk radio is so afraid of the fairness doctrine. If they had to allow other voices to speak, they'd get chewed up and spit out. Their crap only works when it is unchallenged, and they are AFRAID of the IDEA that they'd have to defend the stuff they say.
All you morons who continue to claim that Limbaugh attacked the troops clearly did not even listen to the transcript posted on the Media Matters website.
Anyone with a brain can tell who he was referring to- people who make up fake credentials and stories, to become darlings of the anti-war movement.
And give me a break with the bogus "respect for the troops" crap you are spewing. You liberals would cut off the funding, and leave the troops high and dry if you could. Why don't you just admit that you are the ones who don't support the troops, and only support guys who will say they oppose the war.
You compound your idiocy by claiming that it's OK to attack a general, Petraeus, who has served his country all his life, but not OK to attack a Jesse McBeth who washed out of basic training.
Most of you are still wondering how Bush got re-elected.
Guess what- it's because you idiots are in the MINORITY!!! And will be for a long time.