National Review's York ignores Limbaugh falsehood about splicing of audio and transcript
SUMMARY: Reporting on Rush Limbaugh's explanation of his "phony soldiers" comments, Byron
York wrote that "[a]s part of that explanation" Limbaugh "played a tape of the
original September 26 program [and] cut some extraneous material out -- 'for
space and relevance reasons, not to hide anything,' he told me." In fact,
Limbaugh said that he was airing "the entire transcript, in context, that led to
this so-called controversy" and gave no indication that he cropped the audio or the transcript.
Reporting on Rush Limbaugh's September 28 explanation of his September 26 "phony soldiers" comments, National Review White House correspondent Byron York wrote that "[a]s part of that explanation" Limbaugh "played a tape of the original September 26 program [and] cut some extraneous material out -- 'for space and relevance reasons, not to hide anything,' he told me." In fact, on September 28, Limbaugh said that he was airing "the entire transcript, in context, that led to this so-called controversy" and gave no indication that he cropped the audio, as Media Matters for America noted. In addition, the relevant transcript (subscription required) of the broadcast, which was posted on Limbaugh's website, also does not provide any notation or ellipsis to indicate that there is, in fact, a break in the transcript of the September 26 clip he used. By not indicating that there was a 1 minute and 50 second gap between Limbaugh's original "phony soldiers" remark and his discussion of Jesse MacBeth, an anti-war activist who pleaded guilty to one count of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs for pretending to be an injured Iraq war veteran, Limbaugh made it appear as though his MacBeth remarks came almost immediately after his "phony soldiers" comments, falsely supporting his claim that his "phony soldiers" comment was a reference to MacBeth.
From York's column, headlined "Limbaugh Makes His Case":
"I was thinking of Macbeth when I said 'phony soldiers,'" Limbaugh told me. As the caller talked, Limbaugh told a staff member to print out the previous day's commentary on the ABC "Phony Heroes" story. After "vamping" a bit while the commentary printed out, Limbaugh moved on.
"I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much. I gotta -- here is a morning update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. And they have their celebrities. One of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth..." Limbaugh read the entire commentary from the day before and wrapped up that segment of the program. From there, he moved on to a discussion of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
And that was that -- until the next day, September 27, when Media Matters, the liberal media watchdog group, posted a story headlined, "Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are 'phony soldiers.'" "During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show," Media Matters reported, "Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq 'phony soldiers.'" Media Matters included a transcript -- with some extraneous remarks edited out -- of Limbaugh's broadcast.
Within a few hours, a half-dozen congressional Democrats had denounced Limbaugh's remarks. "How dare Rush Limbaugh label anyone who has served in the military as a, quote, 'phony soldier?'" asked Illinois Democratic Rep. Jan Schakowsky. "Rush Limbaugh owes our military and their families an apology," said Maryland Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen.
The next day, September 28, Limbaugh used his program to explain the "phony soldiers" remark at some length. As part of that explanation, he played a tape of the original September 26 program. He cut some extraneous material out -- "for space and relevance reasons, not to hide anything," he told me -- and then found himself again under attack from Media Matters for "selectively edit[ing]" the clip. Media Matters did not claim that Limbaugh had cut anything substantive out -- he did not -- and in fact his cuts were similar to the cuts Media Matters itself made when it published an edited version of the transcript of Limbaugh's original broadcast. But it was one more dart to throw at Limbaugh.
During his September 28 show, responding to Media Matters' documentation of his "phony soldiers" comment, Limbaugh claimed that he had not been talking "about the anti-war movement generally," but rather "about one soldier ... Jesse MacBeth." To support this claim, Limbaugh purported to air the "entire" segment in question from the September 26 broadcast of his show. Limbaugh said: "Here is, it runs about 3 minutes and 13 seconds, the entire transcript, in context, that led to this so-called controversy." After the clip ended, Limbaugh stated: "That was the transcript from yesterday's program, talking about one phony soldier. The truth for the left is fiction that serves their purpose, which is exactly the way the website Media Matters generated this story."
From York's October 3 column, titled "Limbaugh Makes His Case":
"I was thinking of Macbeth when I said 'phony soldiers,'" Limbaugh told me. As the caller talked, Limbaugh told a staff member to print out the previous day's commentary on the ABC "Phony Heroes" story. After "vamping" a bit while the commentary printed out, Limbaugh moved on.
"I want to thank you, Mike, for calling. I appreciate it very much. I gotta -- here is a morning update that we did recently, talking about fake soldiers. This is a story of who the left props up as heroes. And they have their celebrities. One of them was Army Ranger Jesse Macbeth..." Limbaugh read the entire commentary from the day before and wrapped up that segment of the program. From there, he moved on to a discussion of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
And that was that -- until the next day, September 27, when Media Matters, the liberal media watchdog group, posted a story headlined, "Limbaugh: Service members who support U.S. withdrawal are 'phony soldiers.'" "During the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show," Media Matters reported, "Rush Limbaugh called service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq 'phony soldiers.'" Media Matters included a transcript -- with some extraneous remarks edited out -- of Limbaugh's broadcast.
Within a few hours, a half-dozen congressional Democrats had denounced Limbaugh's remarks. "How dare Rush Limbaugh label anyone who has served in the military as a, quote, 'phony soldier?'" asked Illinois Democratic Rep. Jan Schakowsky. "Rush Limbaugh owes our military and their families an apology," said Maryland Democratic Rep. Chris Van Hollen.
The next day, September 28, Limbaugh used his program to explain the "phony soldiers" remark at some length. As part of that explanation, he played a tape of the original September 26 program. He cut some extraneous material out -- "for space and relevance reasons, not to hide anything," he told me -- and then found himself again under attack from Media Matters for "selectively edit[ing]" the clip. Media Matters did not claim that Limbaugh had cut anything substantive out -- he did not -- and in fact his cuts were similar to the cuts Media Matters itself made when it published an edited version of the transcript of Limbaugh's original broadcast. But it was one more dart to throw at Limbaugh.
And that was just the beginning. In the coming days, Democrats in Congress, stung by the controversy over MoveOn.org's "General Betray Us?" ad and resentful of being outmaneuvered by Republicans who pushed for resolutions condemning the ad, pushed hard against Limbaugh. "What's most despicable is that Rush Limbaugh says these provocative things to make more money," said Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin in a speech delivered on the Senate floor. "So he castigates our soldiers. This makes more news. It becomes in the news. More people tune in. He makes more money. Well, I don't know. Maybe he was just high on his drugs again. I don't know whether he was or not."
Finally, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said that Limbaugh had gone "way over the line." "This comment was so beyond the pale of decency, and we can't leave it alone," Reid said. Reid and 40 other Democratic senators signed a letter to Mark May, CEO of Clear Channel Communications, calling on May "to publicly repudiate these comments." May, who said he had carefully read the transcript of Limbaugh's remarks, declined.
Where the controversy goes now is not clear. Democrats, and particularly their supporters in the left-wing blogosphere, are pressing for payback over the MoveOn.org affair. But Limbaugh's explanation will likely make it harder to make the clear-cut case against him that Republicans, and some Democrats, made against MoveOn. The fact that Limbaugh, on the original September 26 program, brought up the ABC report, unbidden, to explain the "phony soldiers" remark suggests that that indeed was what he had in mind at the time he said it. That's also supported by the fact that he had recorded a commentary on the story the day before, and that he printed out and re-read that commentary on September 26 as he explained "phony soldiers." It was clearly on his mind.
And even though there are political arguments on all sides of this controversy, independent-minded critics who look at Media Matters might conclude that its political motivations are simply too strong to merit serious consideration. In addition to its ties to major Democratic donors and to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Media Matters is a deeply politicized organization down to its lowest levels. In the past few days, it has posted eleven stories on the Limbaugh matter. Those postings were written by, among others, Julie Millican, a veteran of the Kerry campaign, MoveOn.org, and the Democratic turnout organization America Coming Together; Sarah Pavlus, formerly of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee; Andrew Ironside, who worked for the Howard Dean campaign; Adam Shah, a lawyer who worked for the Alliance for Justice, the organization best known for opposing President Bush's judicial nominees; Jeremy Schulman, a former spokesman for Colorado Democratic congressional candidate Dave Thomas; and Matthew Gertz, former deputy campaign manager for Connecticut Democratic congressional candidate Diane Farrell, as well as intern for New York Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer.















These people will really stop at nothing , they must of had some summit to come up with ways to defend the smear against the military.
Limbaugh admits the audio was changed
It's the national review, did you expect anything otherwise.
Exactly right.
NR with it's "stop Hillary" fundraising effort has revealed how partisan they really are.
If you want your "stop Hillary" point of view reinforced you'll take them seriously.
If you're after something a little more objective you throw their fund raising email along with their magazine into the trash.
How many more conservatives are you going to find to defend Limbaugh? And how many more liberals are out there who don't believe him and are eating this up for all its worth?
And then there are the rest of us who are so over it and could care less what a radio commentator spits out of his mouth everyday. This is one of the most endless thread topics to date.
I agree that this is getting tiresome, but it's interesting to watch, nonetheless. Obviously, these guys have noticed MMFA, and care what is said here...otherwise, they'd ignore it. That indicates that they are feeling the darts...and that's a good thing. Whatever annoys these millionaire professional liars is to be cultivated and cherished.
Nerzog you make a good point, I think you will see the right wingers target these sites now will full force , similar to how they smeared the Clintons in the 90s.
I agree. Sean Hannity was on it with both barrels today. Before long it's going to resemble that final scene in 300. At least we can blog in the shade.
Yeah Tommy. You're so over it you're reading York's coverage and commenting on it.
Tommy,
Saddle up buddy, these stories are not going away anytime soon. It doesn't serve ideology and the 'gotchya' mindset.
For the next two weeks, we'll see story after story highlighting every person interviewed about Rush's comments that happen to disagree with MMFA's characterization of it. And so on, and so on, and ...
Milking the proverbial cow.
"And then there are the rest of us who are so over it and could care less what a radio commentator spits out of his mouth everyday. This is one of the most endless thread topics to date.
Perhaps you'd prefer another site, one more oriented towards discussing policy.
Once again, here's MMFA's purpose:
"Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media."
No it's not tiring Tommy, you writing every day about how this thread and that thread is tiresome, it tires me and I'm sure alot of other posters here. Also, does the fact that Limbaugh called someone phony bother you.. like when you wrote about something that wasn't yours, that's phony too...
I do find it odd that Pigbaugh would base his defense on context, then edit out a chunk of that context. I think he wanted to squelch the part where he implied that volunteers had no right to complain. There's also a passage in there where he says we have to forget about the WMDs. Interesting stuff.
York wrote: "Media Matters did not claim that Limbaugh had cut anything substantive out -- he did not -- and in fact his cuts were similar to the cuts Media Matters itself made when it published an edited version of the transcript of Limbaugh's original broadcast. But it was one more dart to throw at Limbaugh."
Ouch!
Later, York proves my suspicion correct that there were lawyers posting these threads. I could tell by the likes of the quote above and the parsing between singular and plural "soldiers".
Kudos to MMFA for posting a rebuttal that exposes their partisanship. Either that or they don't realize what they've done. Again there are lawyers involved so maybe they don't? ;-)
Yeah, Media Matter really stepped in it. How dare they post unedited versions of what Limbaugh said?
Everyone knows he's back on the drugs, and can't be held responsible for what he says.
York wrote: "Media Matters did not claim that Limbaugh had cut anything substantive out -- he did not -- and in fact his cuts were similar to the cuts Media Matters itself made when it published an edited version of the transcript of Limbaugh's original broadcast. But it was one more dart to throw at Limbaugh."
Nah, I don't think so. Someone called Rush's show advocating withdrawal. Someone else calls in to respond to the person advocating withdrawal. Rush and that caller have a conversation about people who want to withdraw and the consequences for withdrawing and Rush agrees with the caller when he says troops advocating withdrawal are phony soldiers. MMFA posted all of this.
"... But it was one more dart to throw at Limbaugh."(York)
"Ouch! " (AA)
Now that is either the sweetest or the creepiest thing ever,Barney. You actually feel pain when Moby Limpdick gets harpooned.
;0) ;0) ;0) ;0)
"I could tell by the likes of the quote above and the parsing between singular and plural "soldiers""
Really? I caught the singular/plural discrepancy right away, and I'm not smart enough to be a lawyer. Personally, I think Rush may be partially right on this one, but his mistake was in allowing the caller to take him down that road. If you look at the caller's comments, it's much easier to make the leap that he's talking about soldiers who don't suck it up and keep their mouths shut. Rush's subsequent comments about volunteers having no excuse to complain only add to the perception that he's endorsing the caller's conclusions. I think that's why he edited that section out when presenting his defense.
Of course, it is unfortunate that we're busy arguing over Pigbaugh's lies while the fascists in the White House are planning their next optional war:
[link to www.nwanews.com]
I'm Rush limbaugh and I can't deflect,
the feeling I have for phony soldiers that I said.
It's, impossible to defend
so I ed-it-ed and spli-iced!
Then I re-de-fined what I said,
so I can keep collecting the bread!
Cha! Cha! Cha!
Now picture you know who in a skirt with a pinapple hat singing that...
"Now picture you know who in a skirt with a pinapple hat singing that..." - Snoopy
Hmm, that's a tough one.
Let me go out on a limb, okay? Could it be the spokesfruit for these people?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091807T.shtml
How come the only thing we're hearing and reading from both you guys, the media and Limbaugh are 'edited audio and transcripts' of that day's show?
Isn't there even ONE uncut, unmolested copy that could be disseminated; Rush puts out some 'edited version' of the show saying it's not and the media claims it is!!!!!! Media Matters claims what he played back of the show days later was edited and had several minutes cut from it; and Rush's response to this is of course the obviious for him, "Media Matters" edited their version.
It's about time we heard the real uncut, unmolested recording, now!
Thanks!
YOU!
YOU ARE!
You're excentric I like that.
Media Matters,
You're losing cred on this one. Give it up
And they should take advise from you WHY?
MMFA, give it up?
May I point out to you that it is Limbaugh and his fellow right wingnuts who are keeping this story alive. I wouldn't be surprised if at this very moment Rush Limbaugh is rehashing the controversy on his radio show. As for losing credibility, Limbaugh is the one who acts worried, with good reason, that his credibility has been damaged.
You have asked people to contact there local Limbaugh Station to express your dismay.
I have. And told them to keep up the good work. Rush is number 1
IF you mean No.1 at LYING, bloviating and being a piece of human debris, then I agree.
It is truly ashame that MMFA is not going to win this one. If your mission statement was true, you would be going after liberal commentators also.
Good luck with your tax exempt status.
You must have been listening to Rush today, Admit it. He said that. Admit it. Or did he deny saying that. Please go to the doctor and have the doctor remove the RushChip in your brain. There is a whole new world out here where you can...GET THIS...THINK for yourself. Rush is a figment of your imagination
No it wouldnt. I am sure you are giving the same advice to MRC and AIM that they should go after CONSERVATIVE media also? Naahhh. Also learn to read. The mission statement does NOT say what you think it does.
Byron York can not possibly have any credibility at all left. None at all. Nor his magazine, for that matter.