CNN's Beck claimed Media Matters "twisted" Limbaugh's words, revisited Soros falsehood
While discussing the controversy surrounding Rush Limbaugh's "phony soldiers" comments on the October 2 edition of his CNN Headline News show, Glenn Beck claimed that the "liberal hit squad Media Matters has twisted [Limbaugh's] words to make it seem like he called all soldiers who might disagree with him, 'phony soldiers.' " Beck added: "The whole truth of his statement is that he was specifically referring to one soldier and a group of soldiers called on by the DOJ [Department of Justice] in the Pacific Northwest." In fact, as Media Matters for America repeatedly documented, during the September 26 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Limbaugh did not mention Jesse MacBeth -- whom he subsequently claimed to have been talking about -- until 1 minute and 50 seconds after making his "phony soldiers" comment.
Further, as the Crooks & Liars blog and Media Matters both noted, during his September 28 broadcast, Limbaugh expanded his group of "phony soldiers" to include decorated Vietnam veteran Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) and Pvt. Scott Thomas Beauchamp, who is currently serving in Iraq. In asserting that he was originally "talking about a genuine phony soldier," Limbaugh went on to state: "And by the way, Jesse MacBeth's not the only one. How about this guy Scott Thomas who was writing fraudulent, phony things in The New Republic about atrocities he saw that never happened? How about Jack Murtha blanketly accepting the notion that Marines at Haditha engaged in wanton murder of innocent children and civilians?"
Beck went on to claim, "Media Matters goes after a conservative like Rush Limbaugh, but they refuse to confess their extreme liberal agenda, or the fact that the majority of their funding comes from billionaire activist George Soros." Later, Beck asked his guest, Hudson Institute president Herb London, "Tell me a little bit about the connection between George Soros and some of the things that we have seen in the news lately." Hudson responded: "Well, you made reference to the fact that George Soros has insinuated himself into both Media Matters, as well as MoveOn. And these organizations have not been repudiated by anyone in the Democratic Party -- and the reason is fairly obvious. What we find is that that money looms very large in the calculations for 2008." In fact, as Media Matters has repeatedly noted, it has received no money from Soros -- either directly or indirectly.
From the October 2 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:
BECK: Well, hello, America. You know how when you go into a courtroom, they make you swear an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I believe the most important word in that oath is "whole." If you say something that's only part of the truth, but not the whole truth, it's really not any better than a lie, is it?
Rush Limbaugh is finding that out for himself as liberal hit squad Media Matters has twisted his words to make it seem like he called all soldiers who might disagree with him, "phony soldiers."
The whole truth of his statement is that he was specifically referring to one soldier and a group of soldiers called on by the DOJ in the Pacific Northwest. One of them was a convicted fraud who lied about his military service. Of course, Media Matters, you know, didn't have a word to say when Congressman John Murtha accused American Marines of being guilty of murdering innocent Iraqi civilians, servicemen who actually turned out to be innocent heroes.
So, here's the point tonight: America, John Murtha is a murderer -- of his competition at waffle-eating contests.
See? It's almost like context matters -- and here's how I got there: If I were a left-wing activist group, I'd just ignore the second part of that sentence, when I just said, you know, about Murtha. Oh, I'd just blast out on e-mail to the mainstream media saying, "Evil radio and television host Glenn Beck calls Congressman John Murtha a murderer," and then I'd hope that they just print it and put it on TV as fact.
And you know what's really sad about all this whole story? A lot would. That's the game of gotcha. This is the game that has been brought to perfection by these socialist, ultra-lefts, that have been playing with Rush Limbaugh, and anybody else they disagree with, that they're trying to destroy. That's dishonest. It's unethical, and it's the only kind of argument that is un-American.
Being taken out of context is nothing new. I mean, people on both sides of the aisle have been doing this for a very long time, but it doesn't make it OK. America, does the truth in context matter?
Here's the larger issue: The groups that are really guilty of some of the worst word games refuse to be honest about who they are, what their agenda is, who's paying their bills? Media Matters goes after a conservative like Rush Limbaugh, but they refuse to confess their extreme liberal agenda or the fact that the majority of their funding comes from billionaire activist George Soros.
A few weeks ago, MoveOn.org took out a full-page ad in The New York Times, calling respected General David Petraeus, "General Betray Us." I didn't see anybody in the Democratic Party running down to say "I have got to speak out against this." And MoveOn.org hides from the fact that they are a liberal, socialist group that gets the majority of their funding from George Soros.
Help me. I've just pointed this out. I'm a dead man. Soros is a man with one goal, many puppet organizations, and unlimited financial resources. Actually, I've been thinking about this today, I think somebody should tell George Soros that if the Democrats do get in power, they're going to tax him to death. Hello, George.
So, tonight, here's what you need to know, America: Democrats, you need to wake up and figure this out. You need to figure out what the Republicans had to learn the hard way recently. Your party has been hijacked by the fringe. It's not the party of your grandparents or your parents. In this case, it's been hijacked by the radical left. Do you realize that most of America believes that radical socialists, like Media Matters and MoveOn.org, speak for you? Do you really want Michael Moore speaking for you? Is that who you are?
The Democratic Party used to stand for something: the values and ideals that helped build and sustain this great country. The Republicans did as well. Those days are over. In the Democratic Party, George Soros has bought his way into your party and he is funding smear groups that pretend to be objective. It's time to call a spade a spade, and a socialist, a socialist. The only thing worse than being a socialist is denying that you're a socialist.
Herb London is the president of the Hudson Institute. Do I have this wrong any place here, Herb? Where am I going wrong?
LONDON: Well, I think you've got it right. I think one of the things that we've already seen is that extremists have hijacked many of the essential issues of our time.
BECK: I have to tell you, I don't want to give the Republicans a free pass because I think the Republican Party was hijacked by the Democrats, and I think they're now the Democratic -- they're spending money like crazy, fighting wars not really to win. But the Democrats haven't caught on that they have been hijacked by the extreme left -- people that your grandparents and your parents would never identify with and I think most people.
Tell me a little bit about the connection between George Soros and some of the things that we have seen in the news lately.
LONDON: Well, you made reference to the fact that George Soros has insinuated himself into both Media Matters, as well as MoveOn. And these organizations have not been repudiated by anyone in the Democratic Party -- and the reason is fairly obvious. What we find is that that money looms very large in the calculations for 2008.
BECK: Yeah. You know what? Democrats -- I would want to make sure you understand, too. This is not your fault that this happened. This is John McCain's fault. This is the McCain-Feingold bill that caused this nightmare and injected this kind of money and insanity into this. I want you to tell me the connection here. I want to play a video clip. This is from August 4th. She was speaking in Chicago. This is Hillary Clinton. Watch this clip and explain the connection here.
CLINTON [video clip]: Institutions that I helped to start and support like Media Matters and the Center for American Progress. You know, we're beginning to match what I have said for years was the advantage of the other side.
BECK: Is there a connection between Soros and Clinton and Media Matters, and all -- I mean, are these Clinton organizations? Or --
LONDON: Well, what you can see is that the dots are connected, and they're connected in the following way: The money is going to loom very large in the Hilary Clinton for President campaign; and it's also true that what you will find is that the Democratic Party depends very heavily on the ideological position of MoveOn and Media Matters. So, there is some connection between these dots.
BECK: So, George Soros is the wizard -- if you were talking about The Wizard of Oz -- pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Who is this guy?
LONDON: Well, George Soros is a billionaire who I think is largely anti-Bush. Keep in mind that he was actually trained by Karl Popper and believed in the Open Society, and, to some degree, I think he's repudiated his own origins. What he is saying now is that it's the left wing, the socialist view of the Democratic Party, that he embraces.
BECK: OK. Any idea how long I have to live, Herb, now that I've picked on Soros?
LONDON: I think you're safe.
BECK: All right.
LONDON: I think you're safe, largely because you have a television program.
BECK: OK. Thanks a lot.
Hey, while we're connecting dots, lets look into the connection between the Bush's and the Texas oil company that just signed a deal with the Kurds (where did that story go?). Let's look at the connection between the Bush's and the Saudis. Lets look at the connection between the White House and all the conservative pundits who carry their water...remember the Armstrong Williams case? Is our tax money going into the pockets of liars like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck? Why do defense contractors like Lockheed buy expensive image commercials on CNN?
Yeah, let's connect some dots.
Anyone who wants to see the dots connected should look no further than Greenwald's Iraq For Sale.
Even my thirteen year old daughter knows that Beck is a blathering idiot.
She asked me why does he even have a show?
I tried to keep it simple by saying that CNN seems to believe that the FOX Noise platform of bloviation, idiocy, and infotainment is what "We the People" want from the media.
While I fully believe in our 1st amendment right to free speech, I can't help but feel that what shouldn't be allowed is blatant spewing of lies and the despicable distortion of facts to fit any agenda. But it never-the-less is allowed and I accept it, even if I don't like it.....
So what to do other than keep the faith that decency will prevail and water carriers like Beck will slowly go away as people wake up!
No, you don't really have to accept it. It's not a free speech issue at all. The first amendment doesn't mean you have the right to your own time slot on CNN.
But he earned his time slot. Within that time slot, he is allowed his freedom of speach.
To some extent yes. He however is NOT immune from the consequences of what he says. Just like on YOUR job. You cant be arrested for what you say to your boss but you sure as heck CAN be fired. For lying for slandering other employees or for making your company look bad.
Snoopy had a link on this. I didn't get arround to playing it and I saw it had come up (expected). After reading this I feel relived at not having heard it. Its hilarious written, actually hearing it would have put me into histerics, tipping over furnature, rolling on the floor.
The concept of proof, are these two even aware of it?
I do what I can! ;)
But this does prove one thing. Organized responses have an impact. We need to be organized too. Our message has truth on our side, we need to find a way to bring it to the mass audiences.
Sponser an ad?
I presume you got an email from Mr. Brooks today. Got a list of local radio stations who carry Rush. A small thing, but I'll be making some phone calls.
I've recomended Drew Westen's book before. He puts forth the best strategy's and tactics, concerning taking social/political turf back from the NeoCons, that I've stumbled over yet.
You'd think Beck and his ilk would be more concerened with what is revealed by those dots you just connected Nerzog. But I guess they have to to after those that are a threat to their precious livelyhood.
I simply do not understand this fixation on Soros.
Is it supposed to scare people? Left wing foreigner billionaire starts websites?
In a world where Rupert Murdoch buys the Wall Street Journal, this is scary?
But Rush Limbaugh--HE's misunderstood! And it doesn't matter who backs him!
If Glenn Beck is trying to convince those mythical independent voters, those IV's will remember that Rush is the guy who mocked Michael J. Fox. And got busted for drugs. .
Well, I have a theory. There's a story floating around that Soros, as a child, cooperated with the Nazis so they wouldn't kill him. Add to that his German-sounding accent, and he makes a pretty good boogey man with which to scare their xenophobic knuckledragging base. They also need something to distract the lapdog press from the obscenely incestuous relationship between the White House and the professional liars on cable TV and talk radio who carry water for the GOP.
Besides, is George Soros really any more frightening than Pat Robertson, James Dobson, Rupert Murdoch or Reverend Moon?
Richard Mellon Scaife
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/scaifemain050299.htm
So why doesn't MMA disclose if Soro's is funding them either directly or indirectly. It's a simple question, yes or no.
Let me give you an example of how to answer a simple question. Did George Bush make me ask this question? No. You can blame Bush for alot of things, but not this.
From the article above:
"In fact, as Media Matters has repeatedly noted, it has received no money from Soros -- either directly or indirectly."
Try reading the article for comprehension next time.
Sorry that's not good enough for the wingnuts, or wesley. Don't you remember THE CHART?
What about the video of Hillary saying she started media matters? Is this true? Where is the truth?
In fact, as Media Matters has repeatedly noted, it has received no money from Soros -- either directly or indirectly.
Too late. Media Matters already admitted it gets money from George Soros' groups, so the indirectly is a lie.
David Brock Group Backpedals on Soros FundingBy Marc MoranoCNSNews.com Senior Staff WriterMarch 03, 2005(CNSNews.com) - Media Matters for America, the group headed by conservative turned liberal writer David Brock, has changed course on its stated association with billionaire liberal financier George Soros.After initially claiming on Dec. 1, 2004 that "neither Media Matters nor its president and CEO David Brock has received any money from Soros or from any organization with which he is affiliated," the group is no longer disavowing any connection with groups "affiliated" with Soros. The Media Matters shift came after Cybercast News Service questioned the group's financial ties and demonstrated that there were numerous and extensive links between Media Matters and several Soros "affiliates" like MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress and Soros ally Peter Lewis.Media Matters for America (MMA) spokeswoman Sally Aman responded to Cybercast News Service's questions with an e-mail. "In response to your query regarding donor funding Media Matters for America has never received funding directly from George Soros," Aman stated, no longer denying any relationship with organizations affiliated with Soros.She went on to reference the "early support from Moveon.org, and the New Democrat Network," that Media Matters had received.In its role as a liberal media watchdog, Media Matters for America takes on some of the biggest names in media. Brock also authored the 2002 book, "Blinded by the Right, The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative," in which he denounced the conservative movement where he first gained fame and disclosed his homosexuality.'Typical of Brock's operation'"It's good that they are now being honest by [this new statement regarding Soros]," said John Carlisle, director of policy for the conservative National Legal and Policy Center. "Clearly MMA worked very closely with Soros-funded groups. There is definitely a Soros connection there."Carlisle told Cybercast News Service , "While there is no evidence Soros gave directly to Brock and Media Matters, clearly Soros-funded groups have been instrumental in getting MMA started."http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewSpecialReports.asp?Page=%5CSpecialReports%5Carchive%5C200503%5CSPE20050303a.html
Groups that were partly funded by George Soros have also contributed to MMFA. This has never been denied as far as I know.
Oh please, Leatherhelmet! You link to right wing websites and you expect us to take you seriously? MMFA never has denied having affiliations with groups connected to Soros. He still hasn't given MMFA a single dime. This has been proven again and again.
Which is NOT the same as being directly or indirectly funded. You CAN read RIGHT?
"Media Matters, as well as MoveOn. And these organizations have not been repudiated by anyone in the Democratic Party"---Glenn Beck
"Repudiated" like they are domestic terrorist groups, because the GOP finds them detrimental to it's electoral prospects.
The tactic seems to work on the audience of these shows though. "After all, he is on tv, he must know what he's talking about. He must be fair or they'd never have let him have his own show."
The hosts now draws the audience. The host is now the entertaining guest of yesteryear who used to draw the audience. Now the guest is the straight man.
This is all Rush needs. The stupidest man on the planet trying to defend him. Actually it is Limbaugh who is trying to twist, or "clarify" if you prefer, his own words. Media Matters is taking the position that Limbaugh meant what he said.
I know this is off topic, but back to the posts (on another thread) about Hilary Clinton "starting up Media Matters". It reminds me of when people claimed that Al Gore said he "invented the Internet".
And it might be the same thing with groups that "were partially funded by Soros" donating to Media Matters and how it has come to mean that "Media Matters gets their money from Soros".
Beck is right about twisting words; except he and others are doing the twisting.
yeah,onionhead, I think most of the posters here quit getting sucked into the Soros/MMFA connection thing a while ago, so they're trying to do a re-make with Hillary Clinton.
Here's how most of the exchanges used to go;
Wingnut "Soros controls MMFA!!!!!"
Human poster " No, here's a statement by MMFA stating that he's not connected"
Wingnut "WHY DO YOU DENY IT?????????"
Human poster "Because it's not true. It wouldn't be a problem if it was, but it isn't"
Wingnut "(repeat above with additional gibberish and links to right wing propaganda sites)"
What the Becks, Limbaughs, and O'Reillys really hate about Media Maters is that it cuts into their viewership (i.e. their bank accounts). A lot of people watch these Republican puppets just to see what outrageous lie they are going to come up with next. MMA lets people know what they are saying and doing to hurt this great country without us having to soil ourselves by watching them. I love this website!
Here's what you need to know CNN: America wants you to return to serious journalism.
Here's how I got there: Glenn "The Beaver" Beck. (CNN: I understand Chuckles the Clown is available if you're interested)
I find this whole episode somewhat poetic. Here's Rush Limbaugh, who has become a zillionaire by taking other people's quotes out of context, twisting their words, making unfair generalizations, telling half truths and outright lies for more than fifteen years. Now he claims that someone is doing the same thing to him...and he just can't stand it. I don't remember seeing him whine so much about anything, even when he lost his NFL gig. I LOVE IT!
Maybe MMFA is being a little too persnickity on this...maybe Rush really was thinking of Jesse MacBeth when he said "phony soldiers"...there's no way to prove it either way. All MMFA has done is interpret his words literally, and reject his excuses. Is this unfair? If you consider what Rush has done to countless others...HELL NO!
MMFA, thanks for pokin' the bear.
Nersog,
I feel the same way about this, (the recent O'rielly thing, too). I look forward to MMfAs continued bear-pokin'.
How do you liers here at Media Matters explain away the FACT that ABC News did a full report ONE FULL WEEK before the Rush comments, and in the ABC News report they refered to "PHONY SOLDIERS" ? So it's ok for ABC but not Rush ? What about the FACT that there ARE Phony Soldiers. Look at the recent convictions in the NW., but it's odd that Media Matters will LIE and act as if NO phony soldiers even exist...
More typical liberal ways, ignore absolute FACTS and feed lies to America AND CENSOR MY COMMENTS HERE because I prove this group to be a Clinton Communist front group started by Hilary and supported... How do I know this as a fact ? Hilary Clinton in her OWN WORDS, on camera and tape.
Wow, that is an explosive accusation. Would you be so kind as to post some corroborating evidence? I've met the Clinton's in person and would be very, very surprised to find out they are communists, not that there's anything wrong with being a Communist.
MGarnett, you seem like a reasonable person, so I'll help you out.
1. ABC did a report on phony soldiers, those who claimed to have served but didn't, or exagerrated their service .
2. Rush Limbaugh said that any member of the military who didn't blindly agree with the Chimp-in-Chiefs policies is a phony soldier.
Two different things.You're about a week behind on this, but that's generally where the Dittobot is.
How do you MORONIC Limoborg explain WHAT HE SAID? The fact there are phony soldiers are IRRELEVANT to the caller saying the press only talks to phony soldiers and that REAL soldiers want to be in Iraq and the Oxymoron saying they signed up to be in Iraq. I know you are braindead and dont know what to think until the Hivemind leader Sir Oxymoron himself TELLS you what to think but learn to read, then read what he said. It really is that simple. In your case I suggest you get a five year old to read it for you and explain all the two and three syllable words.
Hey Commies,
Hilary Clinto said, and we have the tapes to prove it in her own words that she "STARTED" MMFA and is a supporter, so how does anyone think that this group can be objective ?
What a joke.
Millions of real Americans who do not want to be silenced by the Liberal Left that want to see a full blown Communist State here in America are spreading the news and messes like this only help OUR cause. The MoveOnAd backfired, big time and now that the truth is getting out slowly, this is going to blow up in your groups face as well as the idiot Senator & Congressmen who rush out BEFORE getting the real story.
Look at the latest polls, just released, by 84 to 16 those polled belive that the Rush issue is NOT what our Congress should be doing. The new poll also show that very few even believed the story.
You lose again, can anyone say "Welstone Memorial" ?
ROFL
Commies? Your material is pretty dated; but you could submit it to the Daily Show as a parody. Best of luck.
MGarnett, isn't it a little disingenuous to come on here and pretend to be a conservative, just to make conservatives look stupid? C'mon...let's play fair.
Hey MORON the Cold war is over. You could get someone with a functioning cerebral cortex to look it up for you. I know the Limborg hivemind hasnt caught on yet but it was in all the papers. You actually seem to be getting stupider and I didnt think that was possible.
liberal hit squad?
The right has spent a couple of decades now calling Hillary a lesbian all over talk radio and now they are decrying political hit squads?
Hilary hit squad, nuf said.
mgarnett251924 I applaud your brevity. Next time try zero words. Zero words will come across as vastly more intelligent, concise and pithy. Keep up the good work, just what we need, accussations without any evidence. Well done old man.
If less is more, then none is most.
Another moron assimilated. Enough said.
Limbaugh did not mention Jesse MacBeth -- whom he subsequently claimed to have been talking about -- until 1 minute and 50 seconds after making his "phony soldiers" comment.
One minute and 50 seconds! For shame, Rush Limbaugh! This proves that he couldn't possibly have been talking about fake soldiers, but rather must have been talking about any soldier that disagrees with him. Media Matters, this is the worst argument you have ever made in your history. You should be embarrased.
Mr. Computerportnoy,
There is a price to pay for enabling a lying liar. Hunching over a computer for hours, defending Lush Bimbo isn't going to make you feel better.
This site and people on it love word parsing for thier benefit. If you pick apart a sentance, you can make about anything out of it.
The parsing YOU guys have tried hasnt done that good a job making Limbaughs statement mean what you WISH it meant
you gotta catch there sentance bufor you can parse it
Actually the CONTEXT proves he couldnt possibly have been talking about just Jesse the conman
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
It's a website! A website?? Beck has his own full hour on cable, and hundreds of radio stations broadcasting to millions, and yet their own words inspire a VAST CONSPIRACY THEOREY!!
Soros is involved in MoveOn.org, but all the adds, all the grassroots meetings and protests are paid for by MoveOn members. I see an occasional college post grad student whom may be paid by MoveOn at election functions, and get out the vote campaigns, but if Soros is funding anyone he's doing it on the cheap to be sure!
Fact is MoveOn is as grassroots an organization as I've ever partisipated with in the 36 years of political activism. I campaigned for Mo Udall for President when I was a teen and that was a grassroots movement to protect the enviroment. If that makes me a socialist, so be it.
If you have a social conscience, and accepting that we have a share responsibility as a nation, as a democracy, so be it. A weak minded bigot the likes of a shock jock like Glen Beck is not going to shape my thinking, how is it he has been put in a position to shape anyones thinking?? Who's agenda is he concerned with?? How does a barely educated, drug addict become a political expert??
What made this man qualified to give advice of any kind accept maybe how to get high??
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
The inbred hillbilly that thinks we're all commies forgets that it was the liberal left that stood strong for constitutional checks and balances, respect for the rule of law, and defended democracy through out both World Wars, and the Cold War!
I't was the Republicans that dropped to thier knees to surrender our civil liberties after 9/11, and used the nations fears to gouge our treasure, and occupy an oil rich middle east nation for political sway at the cost of American blood. Whom has done little to capture Bin Laden even though the Taliban offered him and his commanders barely a week after 9/11, and we didn't even acknowlede them! It was Bush who diverted troops to at Tora Bora as we had them trapped!
The truth is such a huge obstacle to people like our commie caller!
If the mgarnett251924 thinks we're becoming commies while his party transform our democracy into a Fascism, I think it's time he takes his 4th grade civics class again. Throughing labels around with a vague understanding of what those labels actually mean make him little more than clay in the pundit's hands, easily manipulated!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
So true. Much like with McCarthyism they end up creating the intrusive government they supposedly fight. The Bush years have been a perfect example of Tolkien's idea of being corrupted by the power you use to defeat power.
The righties get their panties in a twist because they are dinosaurs. They label people "commies" and socialists because they know that mainstream America supports all those so called extreme left positions, like stopping the occupation & bringing the troops home, health care for all, fair trade policies, investigating the war profiteers, etc etc.
Mainstram America supports the left? LOLOLOL.... ok, go back to grazing now.
Check out the PIPA website for yourself and see. While socially more conservative than most industrial countries economically the US polls about like Finnland and Norway. So yes they do support the left POLICYWISE.
Socilized Medicine = Commie
Wealth Re-Distribution = Commie
Gov control of EVERY aspect of our lives = Commie
*** States are now telling us what we can eat (LA. City Council), teaching our children at young ages about sexuality, and I could go on to list the intrusive things that Libs are forcing down Conservatives mouths.
I do not want you telling me what to eat, where I can work, what I cam drive, about my carbon footprint. Just leave me alone and I will not force you to go to church, I will not ask you eat a steak or drink a soda.
Get OUT of my life, and out of my wallet for your social programs that have NEVER worked...
Name ONE, just one Gov social program that is running smoothly without massive corruption or cost over-runs, or fraud.
Just one... I know you can't, the Gov does not MAKE ONE DIME, we as citizens pay all the bills and I do not want to head toward the USSR.
"Name ONE, just one Gov social program that is running smoothly without massive corruption or cost over-runs, or fraud."
Hey, I know...THE IRAQ WAR!
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
We have had our civil liberties and constitutional form of democracy trample upon in the name of FEAR!!!!!!!!!!! Be afraid, the Republican slogan that speaks their truth!
A National Healthcare system has done nothing more than strengthen democracies across the world including Canada, Great Britan, France, Norway, Sweden, Germany, and most of the industrialized, civilized world. While they enjoy balanced budgets, economic growth that is sustained, and growing wealth among all in their societies, we are losing our form of democracy under the very leadership that makes this scurrilous argument while our middle class is dying on the vine.
When you get your head out of that warm, stinky place between your legs maybe you'll notice!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady