Cafferty omitted mention of business groups joining labor in challenging immigration rules
SUMMARY: In a report on a federal court ruling temporarily blocking new immigration enforcement
rules by the Department of Homeland Security, CNN's Jack Cafferty reported that
"[t]he lawsuit challenging the government was brought by the American Civil
Liberties Union, the AFL-CIO, and several San Francisco labor groups." However,
while the lawsuit was initially brought by those groups, the San Francisco and U.S.
Chambers of Commerce, among others, were allowed to join the lawsuit on
September 11.
On the October 2 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, during "The Cafferty File" segment of the show, CNN commentator Jack Cafferty attacked Judge Charles R. Breyer of the U.S. District Court for Northern California, whom he called an "activist" judge, for continuing to block the Department of Homeland Security from implementing new immigration enforcement rules for employers. He asserted that "[t]he lawsuit challenging the government was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, the AFL-CIO, and several San Francisco labor groups." However, while the lawsuit was initially brought by those groups, several business groups, including the San Francisco and U.S. Chambers of Commerce, were allowed to join the lawsuit on September 11.
Under the new rules, said Cafferty, "[i]f an employer would find out that an employee's information doesn't match Social Security records and the employee could not clarify the issue within 90 days, the employer would have to fire that person or risk being prosecuted. In other words," Cafferty continued, "if the employee was working for the company illegally or misrepresented himself, he'd be fired -- seems simple enough." On October 1, Breyer extended a temporary restraining order blocking Homeland Security's new rules from going into effect and, according to Cafferty, "also blocked the Social Security Administration [SSA] from sending out 140,000 so-called 'no-match' letters to employers hiring people whose names and Social Security numbers don't match." Cafferty commented: "I must be missing something here, because if it's against the law to hire illegal aliens, why is this even being looked at by a judge?"
In fact, in their complaint, the business groups allege that "[m]any individuals lawfully employed by [the business groups] and their small business members will be unable to resolve data discrepancies with the SSA bureaucracy within the 90-day deadline." The complaint adds that "those employees risk termination even though they are United States Citizens or lawful immigrants." The complaint asks the district court to declare the rule invalid because it consists of " 'arbitrary' or 'capricious' agency action in violation" of a federal statute, because, it alleges, Homeland Security "does not know the probability that an SSN [Social Security number] and name mismatch is associated with an undocumented employee, and ... the Government Accountability Office has expressly stated that the vast majority of SSN and name mismatches in the SSA database involve United States citizens."
From the October 2 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
CAFFERTY: Just when there is some slight indication that the federal government is going to try to enforce the laws against illegal aliens, well, you can count on an activist federal judge to get in the way.
Judge Charles Breyer of the U.S. District Court of Northern California -- where else? -- is blocking efforts by the Department of Homeland Security to crack down on those who hire illegal aliens.
Here's how it works: If an employer would find out that an employee's information doesn't match Social Security records and the employee could not clarify the issue within 90 days, the employer would have to fire that person or risk being prosecuted. In other words, if the employee was working for the company illegally or misrepresented himself, he'd be fired -- seems simple enough.
The lawsuit challenging the government was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union, the AFL-CIO, and several San Francisco labor groups.
Now, the judge has delayed the start of this program for 10 more days while he comes up with a decision on the legality of it.
What's the problem here, Your Honor?
It is against the law to hire illegal aliens, period. Judge Breyer has also blocked the Social Security Administration from sending out 140,000 so-called "no-match" letters to employers hiring people whose names and Social Security numbers don't match.
I must be missing something here, because if it's against the law to hire illegal aliens, why is this even being looked at by a judge?
Here's the question: Should a federal judge prevent the government from cracking down on employers who hire illegal aliens?

















Awwww....give Jack a break...he's one more conservative who freely admits that Bush is a lying putz.
I agree, I like Jack he holds Bush accountable. He is wrong on this one but we are all humans.
J,
Why is he wrong on this? The business groups want the cheap labor, they should have been mentioned, but the lawsuit was initiated by the groups he menitioned? And the AFL-CIO - I wonder how their members feel about their organization pimping for paying illegals lower wages and undercutting American citizens?
Si senior
Tommy, he did not tell the whole story.
The issue is more important to me than whether or not Cafferty left out the Chamber of Commerce......the ACLU and labor groups initiated the complaint. They are all complicit in it.
Jack is slightly to the right of Karl Marx - yep- definately a conservative by this sites standards!
WC,
What's up with you? Sometimes you appear to be able to have a rational conversation and sometimes you just say stupid things.
Are you bipolar?
SK - when there is a thread of reasonable discussion of issues I like to engage in a rational debate. When I detect a discussion of partisan pundantry I find that absurdtity and sarcasm work best - it stirs the pot. (This is supposed to be fun too ya' know)
When a discussion turns from pundantry to issues I'll shift gears pretty quick - you'll think Im totally nuts - but usually right (correct that is). :->
Anyone that cannot verify their social security number discrepancy within 90 days most likely is working illegally in this country. Typical ACLU, find an activist judge in SF to rule in your favor.
SF is is most corrupt city in the USA next to Washington DC.
Grants Illegals Amnesty.Hates the Military. Passed a Resolution Condeming Savage's Radio Broadcast. (Clear Violation of his 1st Amendment)Wants to supply Heroin Dens for Junkies.Wants to supply Gov ID cards to EVCERYBODY? Anyone can get a DMV ID card, why waist the tax payers money.
and on and on.
NORO,
Do you make this stuff up yourself or does someone feed it to you?
Just wondering?
I can prove everything I wrote down. Would you like me to?
Noro,
Yes I would!
Funny, lazy you are. Militaryhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=SF+bans+military+ROTC+programhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=SF+say+no+to+military+commercial&spell=1http://www.examiner.com/a-768103~Daly%20backs%20move%20to%20ground%20Blue%20Angels%20show.htmlInjection Centerhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/23/BAS1RNICA.DTL&feed=rss.bayareaSavagehttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&safe=off&q=michael+savage&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wnID cardshttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=ID+cards+illegals+sf
Funny, lazy you are.
Militaryhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=SF+bans+military+ROTC+program
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=SF+say+no+to+military+commercial&spell=1
http://www.examiner.com/a-768103~Daly%20backs%20move%20to%20ground%20Blue%20Angels%20show.html
Injection Centerhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/08/23/BAS1RNICA.DTL&feed=rss.bayarea
Savagehttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&safe=off&q=michael+savage&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn
ID cardshttp://news.google.com/news?hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=ID+cards+illegals+sf
Noro,
Actually I wanted you to prove that SF hates the Military, that the resolution infringes on Savage's 1st Amendment rights and that anyone can get a DMV card. I knew all of the other stuff, but nothing you referenced proved any of that.
Thanks in advance.
The Lazy One!
You are a blinded fool. Enough said.
NORO,
Coming from you, I take that as a compliment!
Hey thanks, we are now on the same page.
Sorry NORO,
We'll never be on the same page.
So much hate and phony tolerence. You work for the right?
NORO,
Where have I displayed hate or intolerance?
I have said nothing hateful and I have calmly discussed this issue without calling you any names (unlike you of course).
I believe that you may have been looking in a mirror when you typed that though.
Ok, you got me there. I did start the name calling.
Explain to me why the Board of Supervisors would vote to close the ROTC program. Explain to me why they said no to the USS Missouri being docked there. Explain to me why they said no to a Marine Commercial being taped there. Explain this,
The same city in which Supervisor Gerardo Sandoval actually said, "We don't need the U.S. Military" and "I am not in favor of a standing army."
NORO,
I think you know why they did it, and they have every right to do it. Isn't this a great country?
every right? To harm the kids that LOVE the ROTC program? Whatever. I see where your priorities are. What about the Supervisors commment?
NORO,
You have absolutely no idea where my priorities are!
As for the kids that love the ROTC, I do feel that their rights have been infringed upon. As you said earlier, they can sue! In reality, I think there should have been some kind of compromise on this. SF was making a political statement regarding the military's ploicy on gays, but they did hurt kids that wanted to participate in ROTC (just like I did).
As for the supervisor, he's an idiot, but I'm not sure what that has to do with anything we are discussing.
"A large standing army is a threat to liberty". Old historical maxim, it's even written in the Virginia Constitution. Large standing militaries invite imperialism and military adventures without reason, to the ruin of the nation. We're seeing this in action right NOW! We should maintain a very small standing military and a more extensive state militia system. Would help keep the psychos from invading other countries if they had fewer regular troops to boss about.
Hi Red,
Thanks for all the great posts. Have you read "The Sorrows of Empire" ? It is a great summary of how the US became one of the most militaristic imperialist empires ever.
I'm pretty far left and enjoy your straight to the heart posts.
Tommy,
If you read the article you'll understand why this is not an activist judge and why the ACLU is protecting US citizens.
It's really simple and laid out in the article.
I agree with the premise that illegal aliens do need to be dealt with, but this ruling will keep the inevitable mistakes to a minimum.
It is absolutely an activist judge, he has no business blocking this law - it is illegal to hire illegals in this country. You can agree with the judge if you prefer, but he is overstepping - as is often the case with the 9th Circuit.
This is not protecting US citizens as the ACLU falsely claims, that is simply ridiculous, and they know it. They want open borders, and make no distinction between illegal and legal immigrants - as many do. If a citizen can't clear up why their name doesn't match their SS number within 90 days, then it's pretty obvious they are illegal.
You can buy the ACLU line, but I don't. Sorry.
Tommy,
Did you read the article and the reasons it is being blocked?
Thank you Skep, I read it.
Tommy,
If you read it, then you must not understand it, because your comments make no sense in light of that.
Spare me your interpretation of it Skep, I fully understand the issue and the transparent complaint filed by the ACLU. Please explain it to someone else.
We disagree.
Tommy,
I know you are from the LA area and thus extremely sensitive to the problems of illegal immigration, but if someone was fired because the "incompetent" government that you so often complain about screws something up, wouldn't you agree that it would be unfair and that maybe a different system could be set-up.
I'm not necessarily against tracking down illegals this way, but it has to be done in a manner that protects citizens against the governements own failures.
If one person fired and 3000 deported. It may be worth it. Only htough, if that person git thier job back with pay and all.
NORO,
What if you are the one fired? And, there is no provision for the wrongly fired to get their job back.
Then I would have a lawsuit.
Noro,
Actually you wouldn't, because you can't sue Homeland Security and they are the ones enforcing it.
Good christ you are a perfect example of why America is getting chit on.
NORO,
Please explain that comment to me. Because I have spoken truthfully the US gets "Chit" on?
No, I wont waist my breath anymore on a half hearted sheeple like yourself.
NORO,
Actually your the sheep, blindly following what your right wing leaders tell you.
I'm questioning it!
The right wing does not own me. I am a registered independent.
You and Bill O'Reilly!
EWWWWWW, I do not like him.
Incompetent? If someone gives their employer a SS# that does not match their name, and are given 3 months to clear it up, that isn't enough for you? Of course it is. This is nothing but a transparent attempt by businesses to hold on to their cheap labor, and the ACLU from furthering their open border activism. They can cloak it anyway they want, or find any activist judge they can - it is what it is, I am not fooled......nor are most people, including Cafferty.
And living in LA has nothing to do with expecting our government to enforce the immigration laws in this country.
Tommy,
Have you ever dealt with the Social Security Admin, or a Federal Agency in general?
Three months gets you nowhere, maybe three years but not three months!
Then make sure when you are hired, or apply for a job, that your SS# matches your name - it is quite simple.
This is not an argument of the incompetence of the government and that fact that 90 days is not enough time. But leave it to the ACLU and it's band of lawyers to make that the case - they are amazing.
Sorry Tommy,
But that's the reason, it's a good one and you are just blinded by your anger towards this problem!
No, you accept the ACLU's argument hook line and sinker and wonder why the rest of us don't. Sorry, I am angry when laws are not enforced.....I guess that is where you and I, and the ACLU, part company.
The ACLU protets people's rights. I have no problem with the law just it's execution.
If you could absolutely gaurantee that not one single US citizen loses their job because of this, then I would support it.
It's too bad that the ACLU, in this particular case, could give a damn about American citizens worker's rights whose jobs and wages are being undercut by illegals and greedy employers. That is more than obvious by this frivolous and ridiculous lawsuit they filed.
And it is absolutely a potential employees responsibility and obligation to ensure their name and SS# match. If you can't, or won't, it's because you don't want your employer to know.....any reasonable person will acknowledge that.
Except the ACLU and their agenda driven lawsuit.
Tommy,
First of all there is nothing obvious about the ACLU not being on the side of the US citizens in this case. You just can't stand that they are right.
Secondly, I don't know why you are going off on this tangent about knowing whether or not your SS# and name match. If the SS issues the number incorrectly, how are you to know.
BTW, when is the last time you checked to see if your name and SS# matched?
It is YOUR responsability to check it moron.
Again with the names NORO,
Anyway, what's there to check if SS gives you number. Why would you think it was wrong or issued to someone else?
You may have typed it worng. And that is your responsability to make sure it is right.
The SS administration still shows that I made exactly $0 in 2004, because my employer screwed up my SS#. Between the two of them, they haven't fixed the problem after nearly 3 years. Interestingly, my employer had the correct number for me in the years both prior and since, but this situation apparently befuddles them.
Fortunately, I would have had a lawsuit, eh? Assuming of course that I had saved enough to afford a lawyer prior to my firing -as required by Homeland Security. And on the bright side, my daughter would be fluent in Spanish by now...
Phony argument.
I would say "Well, what would you expect? I'm arguing with a phony", but that would be disrespectful.
So I'll just say "Nice rebuttal".
Skep,
That is such a phony argument - let me help. I become aware my SS# number/name do not match, even though I get a paycheck every week or two with the number on there - and every year when I file my taxes. Somehow, miraculously they now don't match? I take my latest pay stub, my last year's tax form, my SS card, and any other relevant info and march to the SS office and clear it up.
Unless there is a three month line waiting, it is not that hard. Now, if you want to try that as an argument, be my guest.
Tommy,
How strawman of you to come up with such a simple scenario.
Now how about dealing with what really happens.
The SS agency issues you a number at birth. You use it your whole life and never have a problem. Then one day, Homeland Security sends your employee a notice saying that your name and SS# don't match.
You go down to the SS agency to straighten it out but they just tell you that the number you have used is not yours.
You file repeated requests and provide tons of documentation to prove your point but it falls on deaf ears. 90 days go by and you get fired. Two years later, the SS agency sends you a letter stating that they made a mistake ans issued the same number to two different people.
They apologize and admit that they screwed up, but nothing can be done about.
Tommy, that's an actual true story that happened to a friend of mine in the 70's when the IRS routinely did these kind of checks.
How do explain away this one?
I am sorry for your friend, and I am sure there are rare examples like the one you cite......but I hardly believe they are anywhere near the norm, or have anything to do with the real agenda behind this lawsuit by the ACLU. You cannot use extreme examples to block laws from being carried out - there always are and always will be those.
Then let's ban speeding laws because certain people have emergencies they need to attend too and have to drive beyond posted speed limit laws in order to do it. Suspend robbery laws because a man might need to go into a pharmacy after hours to get emergency medicine for his sick child or they will die.......you could go on this tangent with nearly every law on the books.
No Tommy,
I'm not advocating any of that. I'm saying change the way the law is executed to prevent things like that from happening, just like the Police do when you are speeding to get your pregnant wife to a hospital. Exceptions are made all of the time.
That makes no sense at all.
BS. You may have to pay to get something expediated. Been there, done that.
NORO,
Is that an over the counter or under the counter payment?
Tommy,
I'm hoping you're aware that you can't pick which federal judge you want. Basically, you file your complaint, and it is totally random which judge in that district gets assigned to you. By my count, there are 17 judges in the Northern District of California in San Francisco (granted several of those are Magistrate judges). Also, the Plaintiffs may very well have had to file in California (or at least on a coast) so that the court would have jurisdiction to hear the case.
Basically, its not just as simple as: go to San Francisco and get an activist judge.
-Krenith, Esq.
Enforce the existing the laws. Period.
In 1963 Ted Kennedy promised that if we allowed his package to go thru it would end illeagles.
In 1977 same Senator, same promise, same lie.
1984, again Kennedy, again a lie.
We keep listening to the same moron that promises if we just give in this one time and grant "rights" to criminals it will all be fine and end the flood.
Fooled us once, wait, twice, wait three... oh heck
Are we ever going to stop being fools ?
DEPORT THEM ALL !
7.5 Million were deported during the early 50's...
We can do it again...
MGarnett,
Remind me again, wasn't there a Republican Congress, Senate and President for about six years recently that did nothing about illegal immigration and you are blaming Ted Kennedy?
Wow, are you in denial!
Someone had to start it. And TK did take the lead.
NORO,
Like I said to MG, who has been in power recently and did nothing?
And I hold him accountable, LIKE THE REST OF CONGRESS. Are you denying TK did not head this years ago?
NORO,
TK has had nothing to do with it for many years. You need to direct your rage against the Republicans that have been in charge for a while now.
And the Dems who love it.
BTW,,,,, I really really HATE Bush. That is for you Lynn...... I used the Hate word.
Well, you'll wanna put your support behind this group then. But there's a catch, you'll have to admit you don't support the soldiers once you join.
Sorry Snoop, Anyone that starts out by saying "Anti-immigration hate group" invalidates any reasonable discussion for me. For that description is nothing but an inflammatory piece of garbage, and they know it.
oh, cmon tommy! You could have played along for a little bit!
MG,
Fine, lets deport them all, why the heck not.....
Tell ya what, if you find enough trucks, trains, and buses to do the job..... until then, I guess they are here to stay.
If you truely wanted to go after and do something about the 'illegal immigration' issue you would demand that your representatives enforce the laws already there or create new iron-clad laws that go after the corporations that entice the illegals to come here in the first place!
So instead of letting your bogus thoughts get the better of you, grow some balls and go after the corporations!
Stop them from undermining you and I and the illegals might be more willing to do things legally......
You have to start somewhere, right? How does the old saying go? "Working my way to the top"......? Yeah.....
NORO,
Do you ever contribute something worthwhile?
A lot more to society then you friend.
NORO,
Contributing your immature rants is not contributing to society.
I see you haven't provided proof of all the things you said earlier though.
I have traveled frequently to Mexico and U.S. employers have signs for work in the U.S.. Go after the corporations who willfully circumvent our laws. But wingnuts won't do that. Hmmm, wonder why? They talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
Julia, the law that this judge struck down was meant to hold "corporations" responsible for their hiring practices. So why is your comment even relevant to this article?
Dex, I was just about to ask the same question??
DEX/Tommy,
How is the Corp. being held responsible? The employee gets punished, the corp. can just hire another empployee. There are no fines, no levies no nothing!
Hello. If they don't fire the employee they will be prosecuted, not to mention they will have to pay a legal worker far more than they are paying the illegal.
And there are already laws on the books against employers hiring illegals, they are just rarely enforced - and they should be.
Tommy,
They get fined only if they do not fire the person! Why don't they get fined for hiring the person in the first place.
Here's the law.
As mentioned earlier, do we need another law? Or can we just enforce the current one?
Skeptical,
I would be fine with them getting fined as well. You shouldn't argue against Cafferty here just because you think someone else should get in trouble too.
No proof good enough for a sheeple.
Why are groups, right or left, allowed to file suit in court for reasons other than their true ones?
Like, why would the ACLU file a motion saying that towns cannot punish businesses who employ illegals within their city limits because that's the fed's job? Is the ACLU really concerned about federalism here?
Dex,
Anyone can file suit for any reason, but the reason they file suit is the only one that's allowed in the courtroom so I'm not sure where you are coming from.