Mark Williams says on Fox News: After 9-11, Obama came "out of the closet as the domestic insurgent that he is"
On the October 5 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom, former radio host Mark Williams claimed that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), "took his flag pin off after 9-11, and he felt, apparently, some sort of an affinity or some sort of a connection, because at that point he felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is."
David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation magazine, appearing along with Williams, noted that Obama recently said that he decided not to wear the pin "shortly after 9-11," not because of 9-11, as Williams suggested. When Corn said that Obama chose to take the pin off "because he didn't like the run-up to the [Iraq] war, and he decided that you show your patriotism by your ideals, not by what you wear on your lapel," Williams asked, "What has Obama done to demonstrate the patriotism that he says doesn't belong on his lapel? What's he done to demonstrate that, except get out there, badmouth this country, and help demoralize the troops, and help do his part to undermine this nation?"
Williams went on to suggest that Obama might "like a cloth flag and a match," and called the "Democrat [sic] Party" the "domestic enemy."
From the October 5 edition of Fox News' America's Newsroom:
BILL HEMMER (co-host): All right, Barack Obama wants to be president, right? This week he was asked why he no longer wears an American flag lapel pin on his suit. Instead the Illinois senator saying that he wants to show Americans his beliefs are a testament to his patriotism. How's this going to impact his campaign? Let's debate that now with radio talk show host Mark Williams and the Washington editor for The Nation, David Corn. Gentlemen, welcome to both of you here.
WILLIAMS: Thank you.
CORN: Good to be here.
HEMMER: David, you first, now how does this decision win votes? That's the name of the game, right?
CORN: Uh, excuse me. Last night, on this very network, there was an interview with Fred Thompson. Guess what he had on his lapel? No flag pin. I went on to the websites this morning of John McCain and Mitt Romney. Found lots of pictures of them, no flag pin, flag pin. I looked at Congressional Quarterly this morning, and I did see a picture of Larry Craig, the disgraced senator who's not giving up his seat. There was a flag pin.
HEMMER: I don't, OK.
CORN: This is a big nothing. Unless you want to talk about everybody else who's wearing and not wearing a flag pin, I don't see how this makes a difference in the race.
HEMMER: I want to bring in Mark in a moment. Have these guys been asked about it yet? I don't think they have. I think it's Obama that's on record as addressing this. Mark, what do you make of this? How does it win votes? That is the name of the game.
WILLIAMS: It uh, well first of all, Obama's very different than those other names, in that Obama says he took his flag pin off after 9-11, and he felt, apparently, some sort of an affinity or some sort of a connection, because at that point he felt it OK to come out of the closet as the domestic insurgent he is.
CORN: Oh, you know --
WILLIAMS: The Democrat [sic] Party is coming out of the closet as the domestic insurgency and the domestic enemy. We've got John "Skippy" Edwards, who wants us all to march off to the doctor for mandatory physicals. Hillary Clinton, who wants us to be denied the right to work for a living unless we live a politically correct prescribed lifestyle for our universal health insurance. Obama, who says 9-11 is his cue to take off the American flag --
CORN: Mark, Mark --
WILLIAMS: And then now David Corn equating an American flag with a pervert in a toilet.
CORN: That's wrong, Mark. You have your facts wrong.
HEMMER: He's calling him a "domestic insurgent," David?
CORN: Hey, hey, Bill, Bill, let me make a suggestion here. If you want to have an intelligent debate, you should have someone who knows the facts. What Obama says is that he wore a flag pin after 9-11. That's not that 9-11 caused him to take it off. And that after --
WILLIAMS: Took it off after 9-11.
CORN: No, no. And then he took it off sometime after 9-11 --
WILLIAMS: As a - as a good ally --
[crosstalk]
HEMMER: Hang on.
CORN: Let me finish.
[crosstalk]
CORN: He took it off because he didn't like the run-up to the war, and he decided that you show your patriotism by your ideals, not by what you wear on your lapel. So you have it wrong, Mark. Mark, you owe him an apology.
HEMMER: David, you've made your point. Mark, is that the case? Is that a fact?
CORN: You owe him an apology, Mark.
HEMMER: Hang on, David. Mark, go ahead.
WILLIAMS: He took it off after 9/11. He said that he felt that the flag was becoming something -- it was becoming too noticeable, too high profile. He thought that people were wearing it in place of showing their patriotism. I mean, come on, what has Obama done to demonstrate the patriotism that he says doesn't belong on his lapel? What's he done to demonstrate that, except get out there, badmouth this country, and help demoralize the troops, and help do his part to undermine this nation?
CORN: You know, there are plenty of generals who don't support this war who have spoken out against it. I guess they're all unpatriotic in your view too. More Americans than not say the war was a mistake. Are they unpatriotic as well, Mark? You're putting yourself into a very small corner.
WILLIAMS: Are they throwing their flags into the gutter?
CORN: No one's throwing their flags into the gutter.
WILLIAMS: Maybe Obama would like a cloth flag and a match.
CORN: You know, you really should stick to some facts. I know on radio talk, rhetoric is what counts the most, but you're misstating the facts, and now you're branding everybody who's against the war as being unpatriotic? Some people would say that that's unpatriotic.
WILLIAMS: I'm talking about Obama --
HEMMER: Mark, you get the last word. Fire away.
WILLIAMS: I'm talking about Obama and the domestic enemies in the Democrat Party --
CORN: Oh, this is absurd.
WILLIAMS: -- who stand for everything this country was founded to oppose.
HEMMER: You guys are hot.
CORN: Well, I'm right and he's wrong.
HEMMER: David, thank you. Mark, thanks to you as well.
WILLIAMS: Thanks.
HEMMER: Something tells me that this isn't the last of this debate. See you guys.
These guys are getting more and more ridiculous. The thought of splitting the country down the middle and letting the wing nuts have their own country sounds better and better every day.
I say let them have 3 mile island and that new sewer dump in Nevada.
I can't speak for Pearlene, but I sure don't want them polluting our sewer dump.
Let them stay in texas where they can't do any harm... :-)
I don't want 'em anywheres near austin. How about Death Valley?
I love Death Valley, been there 3 times...
I don't want no stinkin' conservatives destroying it.
No freaking way! But Death Valley sounds good cause it gets hotter than hell there and that sound like an ideal place for them.
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas and these morons don't know how to keep their mouths shut!
Ooooooh, nooooooo! Why did I say that! Why, why?
How about a box of your favorite wine, all forgiven?
Forgiven? Of course, I'll even add a big smoochy kiss for the wine! ;-)
Rrrrrrrruff!
Just don't put too many in the Calif. part of Death Valley. they might try to annex themselves and turn us into a red state.I think the Texas/Mexico border would be good.Give them a territory the length of the border and the width of a lawn chair.
I'd love to hear them choke out the words, "President Barack Obama." What have they been saying all these (7) years? You've gotta support the president. That's President Obama, Rush. Try it again. It's not Usama bin Bama. It's President Obama.
He's gonna need a stronger prescription.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
Lynn / Friday October 5, 2007 02:13:27 PM EST
Lynn, I would call apon you and all whom think similarly that all liberals, progressives, Democrats, or any American whom believe in truth in broadcasting on the public airways should boycott appearances on the propaganda Fox Network!
We don't have the votes to reinstate elements of the FCC regs, Anti-Trust Sherman Act, or the Fairness Doctrine, but we do have the minds that lend legitimacy to their rhetoric!
David Corn is a brillant columnist that demeans himself appearing on Fox & Friends, and legitimizes Mike Williams whom would be seen as a Snake Oil Saleman in any other era!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I couldn't agree more Dan Grady...
Boycott the bastards.
I agree Dan. Appearing on a proven crooked network, even if you think you're going on to represent 'your' side just lends them an appearance of credibility. I'm very sick of it too.
Why would you grant an interview with an organization that will gladly lie about you while you're waiting in off camera, scoff at you when you're on the air and then lie some more and dismiss your views after you've gone? How about, "Nope sorry can't do an interview on the pretend news network. We'll stick to an openly satirical format like the Daily Show if we want to goof around." And let those clowns circle each other around the drain.
Lynn,
How about we fight these conservatives so they won't be able to do whatever the hell they freaking want to other countries!!! Although, if we do split the country and let them have it, we can let them destroy themselves internally as much as they want.
This is outrageous to say that.
Thing is...
This jackass pretty much just guaranteed he'll be invited back on Fox.
They eat this stuff up.
PS: I wonder if Jonah Goldberg will miss this instance too...
Does this mean that anyone who doesn't wear an American flad pin after 9/11 is a suspected domestic enemy? How idiotic are these people? They confuse the worship of cloth or metal symbols with patriotism.
Not to mention that those flag pins are made in China. How patriotic is that?
flag pins are made in China
Probably get lead poisoning from those! ;-)
I swear the Chinese are trying to kill us :-O
In the aftermath of 9/11, like a lot of people I bought flags and displayed them proudly around the house. Since then, however, the right has turned the flag pin into a symbolic loyalty oath--loyalty to and love for not the America that I've known, but loyalty to Bush's and the right's twisted, sick version of them.
HEMMER: You guys are hot.
Hemmer's delivery of this line speaks volumes. Irrelevant mud-slinging sessions like this are like pornography for FNC viewers.Good point and very telling. I think Hemmer's part in this should be emphasized: his questions and handling of it like a stupid gotcha contest. As if Williams had any credibility at all.
Lapel pins, magnetic bumper stickers (ribbons), what a load of false patriotic crap. Williams talks about ,"Obama and the domestic enemies in the Democrat(instead of Democratic) Party". How Corn can stand to even listen to this clown is courage itself. Media Matters will never run out of neocon misinformation....
Obama's decision to remove his pin sounds a tad silly.
Bush was the one that took us into Iraq. Last I checked disliking Bush or his policies has nothing to do with being patriotic or displaying the American flag or wearing a pin.
While I find Obama's actions sort of silly, to describe him as a domestic insurgent is contemptible. This jerk Williams owes Obama an apology.
My thoughts exactly J, whether of not Obama wears a lapel pin is irrelevant to me - and a non-issue. But it is suprising that his handlers didn't urge him to wear it, for appearances sake if nothing else.
But Obama is sort of a maverick in some ways, which is one of his attractive attributes for me.
Tommy,
I like Obama too, though I'm not convinced he's ready for the Oval Office just yet.
We put up an American flag after 9/11. And even though I was vehemently against Bush's invasion of Iraq & other policies, we didn't take it down.
I just find Obama's reasoning on this a tad faulty.
And yes, if only for appearance sake he should have left the pin on.
And yes, if only for appearance sake he should have left the pin on. Jeter
Sorry, Jeter IMO appearance is only that appearance. It's like saying those who paint those yellow ribbons on their cars that say "support our troops" care more than those who don't. I'd be willing to bet that at least half of those don't send care packages or write letter to the troops. And some probably feel like Rush, disagree with policy, you're a phony soldier.
It's just a symbol, not what's actually in a persons heart which it what Obama was saying IMO.
After this? Are you kidding?
What he should do is wear a pin that's a replica of the Constitution. Hell, we all should.
I would SO buy and wear a constitution pin. *goes shopping on froogle*
Constitution? Constitution? Nope, never heard of it.
I stood 30 feet away from Obama earlier this week as he delivered his foriegn policy speech. At one point he mentioned protecting the right of Habeus Corpus and we all broke out cheering. Weird as hell moment. I couldn't help thinking, "That shouldn't be something we have to cheer for." We get to see all the candidates in person here in Iowa. Even the Sloth Thompson made it this week. I can tell you, Obama is the most intelligent and simply brave candidate anyone has seen in many years.
Fred "Sloth" Thompson. Now that is an excellent moniker for him. People who want to impress use three names, so this should fit nicely. thanks, sun-G*d-dog! :)
pbg,
You may be on to something.. However it might be a bit cumbersome. :-)
How about just the preamble? In really, really small type?
Check out pinsforpatriots.com. Not only can you choose between a gold plated or handcrafted Constitution, the Declaration of Independence is also available.
"Last I checked disliking Bush or his policies has nothing to do with being patriotic or displaying the American flag or wearing a pin."
The events of September 11th brought forth solidarity in a great portion of this country, but that solidarity quickly morphed into blatant jingoism. Not everyone who displays a flag bumper sticker or that loyally wore the stars and stripes somewhere on their clothing is a jingoist, but I can certainly understand wanting to remove yourself from that particular brand of distasteful herd mentality that is born of jingoism. In addition, I do agree with Mr. Obama that it's not how many flags you have on your SUV and your lapel that makes you a patriot, it's what you do, what you think, and how you care for your country that determines this.
Local talk radio was speculating that you won't find a candidate at the next "debate" that isn't wearing a flag somewhere on their person because of this tripe.
I don't know why removing the pin should seem "silly." It's not as though we're all required to wear one.
His REASON for doing it was a tad silly.
Why can't Johnny read?
I disagree that not wanting to participate in the prevailing "with or against us" jingoist approach to national symbols is silly.
"Obama's decision to remove his pin sounds a tad silly."
Well, if you'd actually written that his "reason" was silly, then your insult might stick. But you didn't, so I guess Johnny can't write.
NOt just a "domestic insurgent", but he "came out of the closet" as one.Just in case the turrists don't scare you enough, let's throw in a little Queer Menace.
I'd think that the U.S. Senator mentioned in this citation, and so many other present Congresspersons, would be sick and tired by now, of seeing the PUBLIC AIRWAVES (the television and radio bands of our Public Property) being used to broadcast the private political opinions, of the ownership of the "media" companies we License, to use our Public Property the PUBLIC AIRWAVES.
I'd think those Congresspersons (and we too) to think that that's not what we License broadcasters to use our Public Property the PUBLIC AIRWAVES for: To broadcast the private political opinions of the FCC License holder.
Dem,
Not to be picky, but you are forgetting two things. Fox is a cable network.
And the First Amendment.
AA, a little tech lesson. The cable giants use satelites to spread their programming around to the various cable downlink facilities. These satellites and the radio frequencies they use are divvied up by the FCC, thus giving the owners of the licenses nearly a monopoly. The excellent "Cutthroat: High Stakes & Killer Moves on the Electronic Frontier " is a good read if you want to learn more about the domination of programming and delivery of media by a few multi nationals.
In other words, even if I had a billion dollars and wanted to compete with scoundrels like Murdoch, Ted Turner and Summner Redstone, I can't just phone up Lockheed, order and Atlas launch vehicle and lob a satellite up into a geo synchronous orbit, thus starting my own media empire. I have to get permission from many US agencies and several international bodies. FYI
There's no guarantee in the First Amendment regarding a citizen's right to a radio show on the public airwaves.
In fact, the government, through the FCC allows profit from the public airwaves as long as those profiting are fulfilling the public interest.
You're ding dang right about that, about the Public Interest.
These broadcast companies are granted great power, when they're Licensed to broadcast to the American People, on the television and radio bands of the PUBLIC AIRWAVES.
That's real power Brother, to be Licensed to broadcast to the American People. There are few powers equal to it.
And so what do these License holders do, in addition to enriching themselves beyond all wild dreams, selling the American People soft drinks and potato chips and Burger King and Nike and Budweiser and automobiles galore and "Restless Leg Syndrome" (and the placebo that makes you think you're treating it)...
In addition to all that, these broadcasters hammer away day and night their political opinions (R), manipulating and influencing the political opinions of the American People.
That's real power, Brother: Political Power!
I say we don't License those broadcasters to corrupt our Democratic process: I say that's not a Fair and Balanced use of our Public Property, the PUBLIC AIRWAVES.
anotheramerican:
The FCC Regulates cable. In addition to cable television being interstate communications, it also make extensive use of the PUBLIC AIRWAVES, by way of satellite and microwaves signals.
It's not an opinion, it's a fact that the FCC Regulates cable television.
And there's no First Amendment right or freedom to broadcast on the PUBLIC AIRWAVES. Nothing in the First Amendment or any other Amendment gives anyone a right or freedom to broadcast on the television or radio bands: Why do you think an FCC License is required?
If you think you have a First Amendment right to broadcast on the PUBLIC AIRWAVES, then go ahead and do it...
...but unless you're Licensed by the FCC to do so, you'd be breaking the law.
Talk about phoning it in. Even the Faux himbo seemed bored and embarrassed by this stupid, trumped-up, phoney "controversy". Could the right be running low on manufactured outrage?
I think the point Obama was trying to make is that there's a huge difference between jingoism and patriotism. After 9/11, the lapel pin became the uniform of the day...it was like a litmus test to see who was a real "patriot" and who wasn't. Personally, I resented that sentiment...it trivializes the flag and turns it into a totem. The problem is that such statements of principle are lost on black and white thinkers. Fascists like Williams will successfully paint Obama as an America-hater...note the not-so-subtle use of "insurgent" and "enemy". These guys have no shame. If I believed in Hell, I'd tell them to go there.
I'd personally rather see these "patriots" who feel the need to display the flag everywhere to do some of the following:
1. Read up on the rules of flying the flag. It annoys me to no end when I see a flag that's flown wrong, that is faded from exposure or - SO MUCH WORSE - is tattered and torn but still flying in shreds on someone's antenna or on their front lawn. AUGH.
2. Remove and -if desired- replace the faded flag stickers from their cars! It's funny but sad to see "These colors don't run" stickers that have been on someone's bumper for six years and are a lovely shade of light pink and baby blue.
George H.W. Bush shamefully used the Pledge of Allegiance solely as a campaign device against Dukakis in much the same way-- as a litmus test of who was the True American. Cheapening it in the process.
As an aside, and if I recall correctly, it was none other than the disgraced Richard Nixon who first sported the I'm-more-patriotic-than-you flag pin. Proving a piece of jewelry doth not a patriot make.
Anyone reminded of the Seinfeld where Kramer does the AIDS walk and some of the participants beat him up because he didn't wear the AIDS ribbon?
Pickings are a bit scarce on anything of weight. I suppose John Kerry could blow another joke and keep them merrily spewing for a week or better.
The recent torture memos, Karl R's emerging actions in the justice Dept. Child care, and general health system failures. Apparently have no interesting hooks for Faux Gnus.
Mark Williams and Fox News on The Boy Scouts of America’s recent recall of more than a million badges worn by young scouts: Cub Scouts or Turncoats?
This rates an atta boy for mmfa. It's ridiculous to associate the wearing...or not wearing...of a flag pin with someone's patriotism. Look no further than the media...left and right...as the major cause of divisive politics.
What a load of boobs.
I have a question for Mark Williams? Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, John McCain, and others don't wear made in China American flag lapel? What's the big deal?
We all know that this is not about an American Flag lapel, but a character assassination attempt on Democrats running for the White House.
How much did the GOP pay you, Mark Williams to spread your venom?
Wow, all the free publicity has sure paid off, one of yesterdays threads has 396 units. Congrats MMFA, that is a nearly Kosian quantity of comments. It is very amusing, to me at least, that so many defenders of "truth and the 'merican way" have seen fit to stop by and set us straight. Especially the comments that start in the "all you commie leftist Hilaraybots ....". To paraphrase "Casablanca" your comments and mine do not amount to a hill a' beans. (get it, Hillary, hill a beans)
Pit, as ridiculous as they are, all of the Rushbots coming here, I'm glad they're coming here and posting.I'd hate to forget that some of our fellow voters actually swallow all of this crap.
Judgung by the "home-schooled" look of some of the comments, I wouldn't bet on many of them getting any more informed while they're here-they seem to ignore everything but their own (that is, Rush's) voices.
I'm also hoping that the visiting Dittohead army will rally their best and brightest during my grace period for their surrender.I've given them until Sunday midnight to stay in the game, and I'm hoping to at least see some of them try.
I'll tell you waht HBL, in western CO you would NEVER forget how many folks take old Rush's show as gospel. I especially like all the "Hillary admits she started MMFA " comments. My response, is it illegal to start a website? What's your problem, I've started several and have yet to hear any complaints about starting a website.
Pit, I'm in Orange County, Ca. I can't really forget who's out there.When I was out in the field swinging a hammer, I spent many a morning working at homes where the old geezers sat like zombies listening to El Rushbo for his entire show.
I remember the serious looks on some of their mugs, like it was a combination of college and church.
I also remember more than one asking me what I was laughing at. I'd just tell them I thought of something funny.
So, the screen capture here shows Williams being touted as a "Radio Talk Show Host" and the post by MM states he is a "former radio host". In checking this tool's website - it appears one can only hear him by subscription! I'm guessing he's not a current radio talk show host - so another inaccuracy from faux (albeit a minor one).
Oh, and he want's $71.40/yr to have one's ears assaulted.
Now that's more like it.
I think a lot more of this type of stuff should be moved to subscription satellite radio, just like Howard Stern was.
Not even that - it would appear it's a subscription to his web site.
I think everyone commenting so far more or less agrees that the media comes off as baboons for debating this whos wearing a pin fashion faux pas. But let's not forget what side began the debate of wearing pins, and who is being attacked and who is being called a domestic insurgent for not wearing a certain pin.
I was expecting Williams to "accidently" pronounce Obamas name Osama, guess he forgot to add that to his domestic insurgency schtick. How transparent these guys are.
This Williams putz sounds like a male version of Ann Coulter. Do people really think this way, or is he just paid to piss people off? I'm beginning to think that these "debate" shows are to journalism what the WWF is to sports.
BINGO - in a 24 hour news cycle and no news - they have to start making things up!
That is a reasonable point. They gotta say SOMETHING. I bet dead air is what their nightmares are made of.
The right seems to be on a bit of a flag kick this week. Did anyone see Cavuto's bizarre story about the vet stealing the American flag?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/
What the hell is wrong with Republicans like Williams?
Do they wish to incite violence against liberals with these comparisons to insurgents? Judging from the self righteous hatred coming from so many of the latest rightwing visitors, I wouldn't be so sure the unspoken message isn't death to dissenters.
"WILLIAMS: The Democrat [sic] Party"
Hmmm..I have to give him credit.Even in the heat of the moment he still remembered to play this silly petty game of mispronouncing the party name.What a trooper.
Williams came out of the closet long ago as a shameless propagandist
I don't know if anyone knows this but Ann Coulter and Arsehole Williams are never seen together in public. Having never heard of this worm, is it true that people pay to listen to him by subscription? I guess the "visitors" to MMFA pay to hear him so maybe they can help me in my quest to understand why anyone would pay to hear him? Even I could debate this guy and I will admit that some of the "visitors" here could have no problem debating him.
That has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What an ultra maroon!
He shouldn't have to wear this flag pin, but it's in his best interest. With each passing year the public gets dumber and dumber and more superficial.
It almost hurts me to say that as someone mentioned earlier, a maverick, like Obama has to cop to ridiculous gestures, but he does have to. 60% of the population is too stupid to understand the point he's trying to make. Put it back on, Barack.
As for this chump Mark Williams - can it get any more transparent that he, and some of his lesser known right wing brethren such as Melanie Morgan, Mark Levin, and that absolute freakshow Bill Cunningham are saying these ahole things in pathetic pipe dream attempts to reach the level of the Coulters and O'Reillys. Albeit, a level of hell.
What in the world has happened to the Republican Party and the so-called conservatives? I used to be proud to support true values, morals and American dignity. Now this party has been hijacked by the fringe wack jobs. A talk radio host high on God only knows what, spewing hatred for the Armed Forces. Another moron making ignorant, racist comments. An entire Republican "News" organization which mirrors the Nazis, supporting a predator who had to pay 6 million dollars to keep his employee from releasing tapes of his sexual escapades towards her. Now this chucklehead spewing more ignorance. The Democratic Party must love this. While I am no Hillary fan, I will pray that she guides our country down a civil path. Good job GOP, you scoundrels are giving the Presidency to the Democrats. Let's hope they do a much better job of running our nation than you have.
Why isn't anyone mentioning that Barack Obama went to a Muslim wahabi school for awhile as a youngster. Most of his ancestors were Muslim. Most likely he is a closet Muslim.
R. Bunn
Isn't it an excellent time to "take off your American Flag pin" , considering what we'rte doing to Iraq today ?
Kim Salander
Lets imagine a circle and within that circle we place Mark Williams, Anne Coulter, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Mark Levin, and a multitude of other unsavory characters.
What we have in that Circle is a group of people who gave America its WORST President in history, GW Bush. Imagine them in that Circle with 'forked tongue's' spouting venomous hatred. Playing to their audience of gullible citizens who are just looking for someone to hate. The Circle of Friends knows its audience and they have embarked upon a dangerous journey (much like al Quiada) to promote hatred and divide the Country.
More than 4,000 Americans and countless Iraqi's have died. The Country of Iraq is destroyed. Thousands of Americans are injured and maimed. George Bush and Dick Cheney did not do this alone. Bush could not have succeeded in becoming President without the venomous Circle of Friends. So, now Americans who were gullible and easily influenced by these snakes are waking up...they have sent their sons, daughters, wives, & husbands to fight and die for GW Bush, Dick Cheney, Tom DeLay, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Anne Coulter, Bill O'Reilly and the rest of the Circle of Venomous Friends. They thought they were making America safer but they're learning quickly that they are just making the President, VP and the Circle of Friends richer.
So who's to blame for the Iraq war? Who's to blame for all the lives lost and a Country destroyed....well..it doesn't take an Einstein to know that Bush & Cheney should not bear this burden alone...they are merely the two heads of a vile snake....the rest of the snakes are writhing within that pitted circle.