On CNBC's The Big Idea, Coulter said that "we" Christians "just want Jews to be perfected"
During the October 8 edition of CNBC's The Big Idea, host Donny Deutsch asked right-wing pundit Ann Coulter: "If you had your way ... and your dreams, which are genuine, came true ... what would this country look like?" Coulter responded, "It would look like New York City during the [2004] Republican National Convention. In fact, that's what I think heaven is going to look like." She described the convention as follows: "People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America." Deutsch then asked, "It would be better if we were all Christian?" to which Coulter responded, "Yes." Later in the discussion, Deutsch said to her: "[Y]ou said we should throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians," and Coulter again replied, "Yes." When pressed by Deutsch regarding whether she wanted to be like "the head of Iran" and "wipe Israel off the Earth," Coulter stated: "No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws."
After a commercial break, Deutsch said that "Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment," and asked her, "So you don't think that was offensive?" Coulter responded: "No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to live up to all the laws. What Christians believe -- this is just a statement of what the New Testament is -- is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament." Coulter later said: "We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all."
An October 4 report on National Public Radio's Morning Edition about evangelical Christian support for Israel featured Gershom Gorenberg, an author and associate scholar at Boston University's Center for Millennial Studies, as saying that many evangelical Christians want Jews to convert to Christianity. "That vision is one in which the Jews eventually disappear," Gorenberg said. "And if you say that at the end of days, in a perfected world there aren't going to be any more Jews, what you're saying is that right now, you don't accept the legitimacy of Judaism."
Coulter's comments about religion were noted by the blog WhiteHouser.
Coulter also asserted during the interview: "I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that's really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely un-self-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it's like they have a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would." She went on to state that "there was an entire Seinfeld episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple" and that "I think that's reflective of what's going on in the culture."
As Media Matters for America documented, Coulter has been interviewed at least 194 times on at least 13 individual programs on MSNBC, CNBC, and NBC since April 28, 1997 -- apparently her first appearance on the network. Media Matters also noted that Coulter, when interviewed by Deutsch on the July 26, 2006, edition of The Big Idea, said that former President Bill Clinton exhibits "some level of latent homosexuality." Earlier that day, MSNBC had hyped the interview as "must-see TV."
From the October 8 edition of CNBC's The Big Idea with Donny Deutsch:
DEUTSCH: Let me ask you a question. We're going to get off strengths and weakness for a second. If you had your way, and all of your -- forget that any of them --
COULTER: I like this.
DEUTSCH: -- are calculated marketing teases, and your dreams, which are genuine, came true having to do with immigration, having to do with women's -- with abortion -- what would this country look like?
COULTER: It would look like New York City during the Republican National Convention. In fact, that's what I think heaven is going to look like.
DEUTSCH: And what did that look like?
COULTER: Happy, joyful Republicans in the greatest city in the world.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, no, but I'm talking about this country. You don't want to make this country -- it's not about Republicans. I'm saying, what would the fabric of this country look like? Forget that the Republicans would be running the show.
COULTER: Well, everyone would root for America, the Democratic Party would look like [Sen.] Joe Lieberman [I-CT], the Republican Party would look like [Rep.] Duncan Hunter [R-CA] --
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, I don't want -- I'm not talking about politically the landscape. What would our -- would we be safer? Would people be happier? Would they be more --
COULTER: We would be a lot safer.
DEUTSCH: Would there be more tolerance? Would there be -- would women be happier, would the races get along better? The Ann Coulter subscription -- prescription. What -- tell me what would be different in our fabric of country, because --
COULTER: Well, all of those things.
DEUTSCH: -- I can give -- I can give you an argument there would be more divisiveness, that there would be more hate --
COULTER: Oh, no.
DEUTSCH: -- that there would be a bigger difference between the rich and the poor, a lot of other -- tell me what -- why this would be a better world? Let's give you -- I'm going to give you -- say this is your show.
COULTER: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they --
DEUTSCH: Christian -- so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?
DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?
COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.
DEUTSCH: I actually am. That's not true. I really am. But -- so we would be better if we were - if people -- if there were no Jews, no Buddhists --
COULTER: Whenever I'm harangued by --
DEUTSCH: -- in this country? You can't believe that.
COULTER: -- you know, liberals on diversity --
DEUTSCH: Here you go again.
COULTER: No, it's true. I give all of these speeches at megachurches across America, and the one thing that's really striking about it is how utterly, completely diverse they are, and completely unself-consciously. You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it's like they have a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would. And --
DEUTSCH: I don't agree with that. I don't agree with that at all. Maybe you have the chip looking at them. I see a lot of interracial couples, and I don't see any more or less chips there either way. That's erroneous.
COULTER: No. In fact, there was an entire Seinfeld episode about Elaine and her boyfriend dating because they wanted to be a mixed-race couple, so you're lying.
DEUTSCH: Oh, because of some Seinfeld episode? OK.
COULTER: But yeah, I think that's reflective of what's going on in the culture, but it is completely striking that at these huge megachurches -- the idea that, you know, the more Christian you are, the less tolerant you would be is preposterous.
DEUTSCH: That isn't what I said, but you said I should not -- we should just throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians, then, or --
COULTER: Yeah.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Well, it's a lot easier. It's kind of a fast track.
DEUTSCH: Really?
COULTER: Yeah. You have to obey.
DEUTSCH: You can't possibly believe that.
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: You can't possibly -- you're too educated, you can't -- you're like my friend in --
COULTER: Do you know what Christianity is? We believe your religion, but you have to obey.
DEUTSCH: No, no, no, but I mean --
COULTER: We have the fast-track program.
DEUTSCH: Why don't I put you with the head of Iran? I mean, come on. You can't believe that.
COULTER: The head of Iran is not a Christian.
DEUTSCH: No, but in fact, "Let's wipe Israel" --
COULTER: I don't know if you've been paying attention.
DEUTSCH: "Let's wipe Israel off the earth." I mean, what, no Jews?
COULTER: No, we think -- we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say.
DEUTSCH: Wow, you didn't really say that, did you?
COULTER: Yes. That is what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws. We know we're all sinners --
DEUTSCH: In my old days, I would have argued -- when you say something absurd like that, there's no --
COULTER: What's absurd?
DEUTSCH: Jews are going to be perfected. I'm going to go off and try to perfect myself --
COULTER: Well, that's what the New Testament says.
DEUTSCH: Ann Coulter, author of If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd Be Republicans, and if Ann Coulter had any brains, she would not say Jews need to be perfected. I'm offended by that personally. And we'll have more Big Idea when we come back.
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DEUTSCH: Welcome back to The Big Idea. During the break, Ann said she wanted to explain her last comment. So I'm going to give her a chance. So you don't think that was offensive?
COULTER: No. I'm sorry. It is not intended to be. I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews. We believe the Old Testament. As you know from the Old Testament, God was constantly getting fed up with humans for not being able to, you know, live up to all the laws. What Christians believe -- this is just a statement of what the New Testament is -- is that that's why Christ came and died for our sins. Christians believe the Old Testament. You don't believe our testament.
DEUTSCH: You said -- your exact words were, "Jews need to be perfected." Those are the words out of your mouth.
COULTER: No, I'm saying that's what a Christian is.
DEUTSCH: But that's what you said -- don't you see how hateful, how anti-Semitic --
COULTER: No!
DEUTSCH: How do you not see? You're an educated woman. How do you not see that?
COULTER: That isn't hateful at all.
DEUTSCH: But that's even a scarier thought. OK --
COULTER: No, no, no, no, no. I don't want you being offended by this. This is what Christians consider themselves, because our testament is the continuation of your testament. You know that. So we think Jews go to heaven. I mean, [Rev. Jerry] Falwell himself said that, but you have to follow laws. Ours is "Christ died for our sins." We consider ourselves perfected Christians. For me to say that for you to become a Christian is to become a perfected Christian is not offensive at all.
DEUTSCH: We will let the audience decide then, won't we? Ann Coulter. New book. More Big Idea straight ahead.
The bigger question is why does Donny Detuch have Ann on his show? Why give her more exposure?
come on....deutch has her on cuz she is good for ratings
but my god...bringing up a seinfeld show as an example of mixed race couples being angry?
and i really hope all my jewish brethren who think this woman is gods gift to conservatives watch this clip
notice how she respins her comments from perfected jews to perfected christians
"Christians consider themselves perfected..."
This is some scary bullshizzle, even by Coulter's standards. I don't claim to be an expert on this stuff and I may be mistaken, but my understanding was that although Christian theology may hold that non-Christians have an incomplete or imperfect relationship with God, that's a long way from the claim that Christians see themselves as perfected anythings. There's that whole original sin and human fallibility issue.
I know you called for your conservative Jewish brethren to take note of Coulter's remarks, but I think it's even more important for Christians to speak up and loudly tell Coulter to stop grossly misrepresenting their religion.
Hey V,
Part of what you said... "but I think it's even more important for Christians to speak up and loudly tell Coulter to stop grossly misrepresenting their religion."
That is presumming that the leaders of the Christian faith believe that Coulter really is a detriement to their religion or perhaps this is what they think afterall?
I agree with Ann.
Christians think people should be Christians
Atheists think people should be Atheists
Muslims think people should be Muslim.
Why is this a controversy?
Because it is an extremely patronizing way of looking at things.
I personally am not shocked by anything Ann says. However I am glad when she is exposed for her stupidity.
So now MMFA is posting when people are simply patronizing? The left is treading dangerous water if it tries to hang Coulter on these words. If you dont understand religion you shouldn't waste your time criticizing it.
Her statement is 100% accurate.
Jews believe that they are God's chosen people and that non-believers will ultimately not be saved. Does this make them anti-Christian? HELL FRIGGIN' NO!
Drop this one MMFA... its not worthy of your attention.
You are entitled to your delusions.
Boy, you are as ignorant as Ado Annie is. Jews do not believe that non Jews have to become Jews to be "saved" in the Christian terms. That's why Jews don't proteletize and even set up certain ritual barriers for those who want to convert. Judaism beleives that all people should follow the Noahite laws that predate the Ten Commandments. Just goes to show you that no matter how racist or anti- semetic Annie is, her right wing toadies will rush to her defense like that toady Jeffery who was on with James Carville and Wolf Blitzer on CNN. He thought that "no Jewish person would be offended with what Ann said. If he changed would to wouldn't, he would have been right.
I've not met a Jew - myself included - who has ever attempted to convert anyone to his/her religion. Jews don't sell their faith; they live it.
To claim that her statements are factual puts you in my Hall of Shame stupidity column. You don't know what you are talking about.
I don't judge you by your belief, nor do I think I am a Chosen person. I was born the same as you, and that doesn't change one iota whether I pray to Jesus or pray to Reverend Moon.
I suspect you are a diehard Republican and Christian, and you bottom-feed off of Limbaugh.
So sorry that your Jesus hasn't saved you from your mortal stupidity.
It's people like you that turned me against Chrsitianity in 7th grade and convinced me that the kind of evil god you worship couldn't possibly exist.
Thanks!
Oh come on! It seems to me that this is one of the least controversial statements she has made. Hell I understand where she comes from on this one (probably first time that's ahppenden). I am an atheist and I think that is the best stance to take in life and that moving from a Christian, Jewish, Islamic or Buddhist stance to an atheist one is an improvement. That doesn't mean that I consider myself and other atheists necessarilysuperior to other people or that they deservescorn or discrimination but I won't deny that I think I have undestood something Christianshaven't. Likewise Coulter (at least in this interview) didn't argue non-christians deserveworse treatment but simply that she thinks jews should convert from their own volition.What would be really patronizing would be topretend that she as a chrsitian was not of the opinion that her religion was better just forthe sake of not offending.
For once the atheist and I agree on something. It's kind of the point of a religion that one believes his/her way is better than other beliefs.
I would imagine that most of the commenters would agree that their own outlook on life is the correct and best one.
I really don't care what religion or non-religion you are. Whatever works for you is fine. Ann's belief is insulting because it is entirely egocentric and assumes what works for her would work for everyone. That is completely patronizing.
If you share that belief of your own point of view, that is patronizing as well. You are welcome to your beliefs, but when your belief is disrespectful of others like Coulter's was, don't expect respect from others in return. Your belief is pompous criticism of other religions in itself and invites criticism of your own views in return.
I think your open mind has rusted shut.
That's all you have? Seriously?
I got turned off religion in the 7th grade too! It was when I realized the hope of heaven was like dangling a carrot in front of the donkey, and the fear of hell was the stick. (I was learning about Skinner and behavior modification in Science class) So in my early adolescent mind, religion was just a way to control society. And it never had any power for me after that. 7th grade is a crucial developmental time because the brain becomes capable of abstract thinking.
Too many folks, however, like Coulter never got to the 7th grade, and are stuck in the concrete, have-to-obey authority mindset. They have never learned to think for themselves.
You'er refering to aberant conditioning. That is the method Skinner discovered or defined. The infrequent and random reward of the behaviour the trainer is trying to reinforce. I trained one of my cats to ride a horse using aberant conditioning. It's also why golf is so popular.
Because it's ANTI-SEMITIC, that's why!
She's claiming that Judaism is an inferior religion. She's crazy. And in a perfect world-- or even a half-way sane country-- her career would be over. It should be-- attacking Jews? What next? The fact that the MSM is just going to giggle over this proves that things are HOPELESS!
What if Hillary had made a comment like that? (oh, that's different.....like how?)
Why do we have to state that all religions are equally valid? Look up the 'church of the subgenius' and tell me that they are a valid religion.
Do you agree that each person should decide for themselves what religion/non-religion is best for them? Or are you and the omnipotent Ann gonna decide that for them?
ANN IS NOT DECIDING FOR ANYONE ELSE!
God... this thread is making my head explode.
She has expressed her OPINION that people of her chosen religion are perfect.
If Duesch was a more well-spoken representative of the Jewish faith he could have countered that Jews consider themselves the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD. If you are not chosen, if you are not Jewish, you are not saved. Is that common Jewish belief anti-chrsitian? NO. Its a religious belief.
Anyone that can't grasp this BASIC concept of religion (belief) needs to step away from the Internet for a while and do something constructive. Irreligious liberals spouting off passionately about this topic is about as useful as listening to George Bush trying to officiate a grammar contest.
Ann Coulter made an ANTI-SEMITIC remark! Get it?
You people are DENSE. Get a clue, OK?
"She has expressed her OPINION that people of her chosen religion are perfect."--cannonball
It seems even dumber when you put it that way. Nice.
That's funny. I always thought being chosen was like having a calling, not that it was being chosen is to be saved. I am Jewish, and I am not aware that being saved is a Jewish concept.
Come on, people, Lighten Up. This is a typical Misinterpretation of what Coulter said, created by an Edited Tape. She was only talking about one particular Jew. She's a strong supporter of Israel. This is George Soros's doing.
Did I miss anything?
Sincerely, Troll Stand-In.
yes, you forgot to work in the sexual orientation of a well know figure in the Democratic party.
I hope you're kidding. You gotta be, right JL?
Actually the Scripture says it is NOT for us to judge. Since none of us are perfect, we are unable to judge wisely. God can look on the heart, passing up all the crap we put forth as our way of life. The very idea that anyone like Ann Coulter is qualified to say any of this defies scripture. Being hate-filled every time she speaks probably illustrates most succinctly that she has no idea of what Christianity demands of Christ's followers. Her hate toward the Clintons, by itself, disqualifies any think g she says about how to be and live like a Christian. But alas, her true mean spirit is showing. The more this is paraded in front of everyone, the less she will even have as an audience.
That is it in a nutshell. What is the controversy? And, I would add that unlike Islam, Christians aren't trying to convert people to Christianity by blowing them up and killing them. Christians aren't forcing anyone to believe what they believe. The same can be said for everyone other religion, with the glaring exception of Islam.
"Christians aren't trying to convert people to Christianity by blowing them up and killing them."
Chistianity has a blood-drenched history. Christians essentially "started it" with the Muslims. Remember the crusades?
"Christians aren't forcing anyone to believe what they believe."
Remember the Spanish Inquisition? Chrisitians killing to convert. But conversion wasn't fueling all the death. The scientist Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by Christians. His heresy? He said the Earth went 'round the sun, which conflicted with dogma.
Remember the witch burnings? The troubles in Ireland? The clinic bombings? The Klan?
"The same can be said for everyone other religion, with the glaring exception of Islam."
I presume you're a Christian. When did your group become agents of intolerance and hatred?
Are you a real person or an automated drivel spouting web bot?
Yes, we ALL know that religions have had their dark periods. Radical Muslims simply ENJOY the dark period and have been practiciing it for 1200 years. EVERY OTHER major religion has gone through a reformation.
But you are probably too busy following Al Gore around the internet to take the time to think about this from a realistic and logical perspective.
Think with your brain, not your heart. Life is much easier to understand that way.
What you refer to as "dark ages" are really conservative golden ages. Your perspective is liberally biased.
If it weren't for liberals, there never would have been the reformation and we would still be enjoying the Middle Ages. Darn liberals!
"EVERY OTHER major religion has gone through a reformation."
The Catholic reformation begat Protestantism, which begat the aforementioned witch burnings, clinic bombings, and Ireland wars. I don't think reformation has anything to do with being more civilized. Indeed, reformation merely creates one more religious divide to be used by haters.
P.S. Islam had a "reformation" soon after Mohammed's death, which resultied in the Shia/Sunni divide. Thanks for playing.
I'm an atheist and I don't care what people are. They can believe anything they want to. The problem is people don't respect each other's beliefs or non-beliefs. Sure, some atheists think everyone should be an atheists but many don't. Why do people always say "all" instead of "some" when talking about a group? It's called prejudice. You are pre-judging someone because they identify themselves as a member of a larger group.
As the saying goes, everyone wants to be an atheist, but wants their neighbor to be a christian. If your neighbor's a christian, then he won't steal from you or kill you, but if you're an atheist, then you get to enjoy life, no God to obey!
Actually, coulter is God's gift to progressives, in a perverse way. Her insane iterations are great fund-raising stimuli for conscientious Americans who are just nauseated by this manure (and they're NOT contributing to republican'ts, that's for sure). What mystifies me is her continuing appearances on NBC's Today show, even after making some of the most bigoted, hateful and ugly things that one could imagine. It says to me that NBC lacks anything resembling a social conscious, and that NBC is not a network that my family should be watching.
By the way: ann coulter is NO CHRISTIAN!
And MM is a good fund-raising gift to the conservatives.
Seriously? That's pretty cool. Try to spread the word about us if you can. Thanks.
I watched a bit of this from the beginning. Deutch made it clear that he wanted to discuss how Coulter turned every day obnoxiouseness ( i think thats a word) into a media empire. At first it was kind of interesting as he kept trying to reel her in and breakdown her personality as some sort of schtick.
No, the bigger question is why anybody would watch Deutsch at all: haven't seen him in almost 2 years.
<>Has he interviewed the chopper Teutels lately?I am gay and Jewish; I am having second thoughts about Ms. Coulter. The media coverage may do more good than harm. It exposes her as the narrow minded, moronic bigot that she is.
That said, I would like to see her challenged more. According to her beliefs, Gahndi is in hell and the Dalai Lama will join him in the near future. Indeed, almost all of the Nobel Peace Prize recipients over the last 20 years are not Coulter-Christians.
Forgive her, Father.
I'm a Hindu and I have finally seen the light from a Gal who so follows her perfected self , that breaks the biggest tenet of her perfected religion " thou shall not sleep around having merry pre-marital sex and be engaged 4 times to be married , only to have the men break it off".
We won't even go into that silly " let ye who has not sinned cast the...." statement from Jesus. I can see now jesus loves ann coulter.. cause she so defines his views and words...NOT!
Oh yes! babe... I'm converting to Perfected Christianity ASAP!WELL DONE, ANN COULTER!Don't let those air-head, touchy-feely Liberals, who are waiting for the drop of a hat to be "offended", get away with their Political Communism. You just wipe the floor with them ... and make it look easy, too! AND THAT'S WHY THEY KNOW WE LOVE TO WATCH HER!
Christians everywhere should be outraged that this low-life scum feels she can be their spokesperson.
Ann "The Man" Coluter needs to shut her piehole, crawl off in a corner, bark at the moon, and die.
She really is a vile person.
I am a Christian and agree with Ann 100% on this particular point. That is why I am a Christian: because I think it's the best way to live.
Muslims think all people should be Muslim, but they tend to favor force and coercion. We just think Christianity is a better CHOICE for a way to live.
I am a Christian and I hope everyone is happy with their own choice of religion. I don't believe that because something works for me, it should automatically work for everyone else. It is severely patronizing to call yourself a "perfected Jew". As long as Jews or anyone else finds happiness in their own religion(s) and aren't harming others - why do we need to create some sort of hierarchy of perfection?
As an atheist, open mind, I have to agree with you. I'm not threatened by anyone who is religious and hope they are happy with their faith. However, when one makes public statements about their beliefs or challenge mind, expect a robust response.
When I hear christians speak like Ann, I just want to flatly come out and say, STFU. Enough already. We get it, you love your religion. Good for you. But for the rest of us, who think most of you are scared little sheep, I am tired of being impacted by your intolerant beliefs. I am tired of having had absolutely no say in government as is partially evidenced by the fact that every single president has been a white-christian male. When we stop being negatively impacted by your beliefs about how people;e should act, maybe I will have something nice to say about your religion. In the meantime, Ann's comments compel me once again to say, Hey christians, please just STFU.
But are you really a Christian then? Or do you just believe in belief, churches and congregations? Or maybe you believe in a God but that the manner in which one worships is of no importance? (some sort of Theosophy) To my mind being a Christian means something more than the above. And you can be in favour of freedom of (and from) religion and still think yours is the best, you just have to be of the opinion that coercion is wrong and morally repugnant.
The problem with that is a logical one. There is always a natural tendency to think that what is best for me is best for everyone. It is a fallacy of course. That is why each person is in charge of finding their own path.
I don't really care how others label me. If it suits you then fine.
Really? You know that people belonging to other religions want everyone to believe their religion? If there's one religion prone to that kind of thing, Christianity would be it. OpenMind had it right. Most people today, regardless of their own views, have a whatever-works-for-you attitude.
So are you saying that your philosophy is better than mine?
The thing you seem to miss is that the "whatever works for you attitude" is an inclusive view. If I have that view, I am admitting that I don't really know which religion is right. It means, you may be right or not, so I will not judge you.
Ann's belief however is inherently offensive. It claims by its very nature that everyone else is wrong (and she is right). It is critical and disrespectful of other religions on its face. I don't know how you could espouse such criticism of other religions and not expect some criticism back.
Do you require more restraint from other religious groups than you do from Christians?
It may be the best way for YOU to live, but it may not be the best way for everybody. That's what Freedom of Religion (and Freedom From Religion) is all about.
Dan, glad we agree on the pro choice argument. Although as a strict agnostic, I had to make the choide, either love and worship a supernatural being and recieve life everlasting, of go to hell. Nice choice.
and you don't think some Christians revert to a sort of coercion to get people to convert? Trust me pal, it happens all the time. Maybe not violently, but fundie xtians invented coercion conversion.
Have you ever met a Muslim who tried to convert you? I haven't.
Who's worse? Keith or Ann???
That comment was strictly for sueeld btw...
It won't be long before this hag appears on Hannity and Colmes to defend her remarks about Jewish people. Every time she opens her slit, Fox News pundits rush to defend her comments, no matter how vile it is.
This anorexic hack-who should be in jail by now for voter fraud-will cry on lonely Sean's shoulders and ask for sympathy.
Take a stand and don't purchase any of her books! Donate the money to a charitable organization.
If Ann Falter is a perfected Christian I'll opt for the pagan version.
I'll opt for Hell! But before that, Canada, or France. Maybe England.
A perfected bag of bones
Is the only thing poor Annie owns
But she continues her heist
From her version of Christ
It's a wretched plot to feed her jones*
*her jones for attention and money
Coulter thinks Jews aren't perfected
Wasn't one of them resurrected?
This ignorant dame
Needs a new Christian name
Annie-Christ is the one I've selected
Annie-Christ. I think that sums her up "perfectly".
Annie is pimping the Lord
Her hatefulness can't be ignored
With her miserable schlock
She is making a mock
Of all things that Jesus adored
That was so perfectly stated
this witch should be berated
if christian think this way
ther's gonna' come a day
when theocracy is consecrated
Beware....
Why does Deutsch insist that she should retract her racist statements? Calling Annie C. "educated" shouldn't get her off the hook (no one that close minded is interested in education). Maybe that is his point.
In any sane pundit environment remarks like Annie's would be a career ender. But she soldiers on, protected by her book sales and ratings. Scheesh.
I wonder if any members of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League read MMFA. If her comments are found to be anti-Semmitic (and I believe they are), that might spell the end of her time in the spotlight...
Are you suggesting Jews control our media and can bounce someone if they decide their views are anti-semitic? You might be right, they already control our Middle Eastern foreign policy.
..and those Black people have the criminal gene.
Not at all. But if Coulter gets branded as an anti-Semite, it will not enhance her public personna.....
The ADL has become a pretty worthless group lately. I am all for setting the record straight about the Holocaust and other honorable work they do, but they have damaged their reputation by going after just about anyone who makes an insulting comparison or reference to Hitler or the NAZI's.
Hitler was indeed a terrible person and did awful things, but if the ADL wants everyone to silence comparisons to him, they are making it easier IMO for another Hitler or NAZI party to happen somewhere - maybe even here.
ADL spends most of it's time trying to silence anyone who criticizes Israel's horrible human rights record. They're just shills for the Occupation. Funny how they rail against "antisemitism" but rabidly support a brutal ideology of religio-ethnic supremacy in Israel. Just another cog in the giant Israel Lobby PR machine in the US, trying it's damndest to censor our media and keep the truth hidden. May Freya curse them.
Actually, the ADL only silences references from the left wing. They leave the right wing alone.
btw...ann also puts down christians when she compares the christian religion to fedex
will real christians be outraged by her statements?
stay tuned
Ummm, never.
Notice she thinks heaven looks like a republican convention? A room full of swooning white people with just a few token minorities praying to a false god.
But ohh, them poor christians. Always under attack by us liberals. They never do that to other religions...
If heaven looks like a republican convention, you can definitely count me out! I think repubs, in general, are like the kids who didn't get invited to the party...Who wants to hang out with them?! What a boring bunch of morons! Besides, I don't like country music that much anyway...
True. Everyone knows that if God is like a delivery company, it would be this one.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3566/is_200301/ai_n8386341
Coulter's grasp on delivery theology is hollow and false. Burn the heretic!
I don't even understand what that means and her comment about interracial couples having chips on their shoulder is truly weird.
Sorry, so far the only outrage is coming from democratic Jews. If we don't hear anything from the right by end of day Thursday I'd say we can safely say they agree with Ann Slanders.
Whatcha mean WE?
She speaks for herself only. This is one Christian who thinks Ann is full of CRAP.
Make that two Christians!
Also, Ann needs to tell us exactly what kind of Christian she is. Time to come clean. Take the risk Mitt Romney and others have: WHAT DENOMINATION ARE YOU, ANN?I ask since in the acknowledgments of her book, she said "novenas go to --" (instead of "thanks to") which is an identifiably Catholic thing to say. However, if she admits to being Catholic, she will offend the "born-again" faction of the right that laps up her silly, shallow books. Then again, if she admits to being "born again" she will look low class to her high-church Connecticut and New York City friends. Come clean, Ann, and tell us what kind of "Christian" you supposedly are, so we can pick your theology apart, and point out how what you say goes against your denomination. I'm sure we can find SOMETHING to get you kicked out. If you have NO denomination, of course you realize that most right-wing Christians will not consider you a Christian at all?
It would be the hipocrates faith. This is their core belief: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant.
Notice how she keeps harping on "obey, obey, obey?" Whatever sect she nominally belongs to, her "Christianity" is on a fast-track to fascism.
Personally, I stopped considering obedience a virtue on May 1, 1968. That's the day that, as a young soldier on the first day of a month long leave, I walked through the concentration camp at Dachau.
I believe that Ann Coulter belongs to the 'Regressive Christianity Movement'.....now, that would explain her excessive hate of 'other', other being those that believe that she is absolutely crazy!
Ann Coulter is a fake "Christian."
She'd be first in line to crucify Jesus if he did return.
How true, because Jesus is a Liberal.
WWJD?
Certainly not align himself with closed-minded biggots!
A new film: “The Princess Bride of Frankenstein”:
COULTER: “Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're TOLERANT.”
Inigo Montoya: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
"Christians" have been crucifying Jesus for the last 1700 years. They took a demi-god of peace and love, nailed him back onto a cross in the 300's and carried him, in pain and suffering, at the forefront of all their armies and atrocities ever since.
You're so right, King. The Edict of Milan was a poison pill.
She's basing her opinion about mixed race couples on a Seinfeld episode?????
Maybe that's where O'Reilly gets his views on race too?
Who would have known....
Not that there's anything wrong with that . . .
You'll notice she doesn't say "mixed race couples I know" but refers to couples she sees on the street and a Seinfeld episode.
It's clear she doesn't know any mixed race couples but is still offering an opinion about them.
Welcome to O'Reillyland.
Get me an iced tea motherf*cker!!!!
And mind you, Seinfeld ended its run almost a decade ago.
Way topical, Annie.
DD should have said, Anne that was so 10 years ago.
Apparently, the Right bases it’s policies and opinions on television shows. Remember, Americans are in favor of torture because “24” is so popular.
Okay... to all the 'conservative' posters here who whine about MMFA and claim that 'conservative bias' is an apparition, etc... Here's your proof. Why this belligerent moron gets ANY airtime is beyond... Let's find a similar moonbat liberal who spews similar (but lefty) nonsense like Coulter anywhere on the airwaves... You can't. Right, right... it's all for ratings. Bullsh*t.
And here we see Skeletor without the comfort of Sean Hannity's nose buried in her backside. Low and behold, she winds up personally offending someone, having to backpedal and relentlessly explain herself, all too predictably, I might add. Give Donny some credit for backing her in a corner and exposing her dimwitted thinking.
There have been some recent news stories about how hangmen's nooses are showing up all over the country.....showing up in the workplace, and anywhere from small towns to cites. When asked why this is increasing, one of the TV spokespersons suggested that all the focus on the Jena story and the nooses, may be encouraging more of it right now.
The world is full of racists and bigots, and fortunately public opinion expressed through the media, keeps many of their ideas and actions from becoming main stream ideas and actions.
But here is the real danger in the Ann Coulters of the world....when they are repeatedly paraded out in main stream media, they embolden the racists and bigots because the media shows no shock or outrage to counter her hate speech. DEUTSCH: "We will let the audience decide then, won't we?..."
The more people like her appear in main stream media, and the more they are allowed to say the things they do without some sign of revulsion or shock from the media, the more emboldened become those that follow or share those ideas.
Let her say what she wants, but where is the voice that represents those who are offended? When racist statements are made, and the public cries out, the media is there with excuses and spin. The public has no right to be outraged, they say, because it's not really what they meant. The rush to make excuses for these media racists, is yet another message to the racists and bigots that how they feel is becoming more main stream and acceptable.
Come on, Sceolan, don't you get it? It's the reichwing tautology at work. It's not offensive because I say it's not offensive, so you shouldn't be offended by it. Bush has perfected the drill. We don't torture because we're Americans and Americans don't torture, and you don't need to know what our definition of torture is.
In the 21st Century the Republicans have become our Marxist party:
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?" Chico Marx, disguised as Groucho, in Duck Soup.
Conchobhar, I saw an amazing segment on the O'Reilly factor the other night.
First BilldO introduced a taped segment by saying that intelligence experts deemed torture effective.
He then asked theses experts about "aggressive interrogation". Even with the re-naming, he got very qualified responses, which he interpreted as "torture works"
The next taped bit was even better- BO, asking how the American public knows that we aren't using torture.Bush, essentially saying that his interrogators are not breaking any laws (re: torture, on which subject they have largely written new laws), and that he couldn't verify that with details, as it would alert the enemy of what sort of techniques to anticipate.
And Billdo's response to this weaselly non-answer?
"I believe him!"
Lefty,
You watch Billdo so I don't have to. I'm forever grateful. Isn't it embarrassing that he has an Irish name?
Yeah, but if it weren't for the o'Reilly's, Hannitys, Reagans, that Catholic League Donohue cat and other assorted embarrassments, people would think we were all "Perfected Paddys".It just wouldn't be fair. ;0)
Ah, thanks for the chuckle. They're always welcome in these troubled times.
You know, Anniekin's description of heaven calls to mind one of my favorite quotes from Mark Twain:
"I'll take heaven for the climate and hell for the company."
Hanging nooses on a black profesoor's door at Columbia teacher's Colllege in New York: [link to www.wnbc.com]
She invited DD to go with her to church. I'd like to see her giving records and to what church ?
I thought she was evangelical. For many with this affliction, any outside their church are pagans. Consideration is only visible if you have some item or skill that might be of temporary use to them.
For Annie, Heaven would include day trips, to hell to see other souls suffer. Maybe give a few suggestions on how to properly draw out the pain.
From Wikipedia...Ann's view on religion:
Coulter says that she holds Christian beliefs, but has avoided disclosing her membership of any particular denomination.
At one public lecture she said: "I don't care about anything else: Christ died for my sins and nothing else matters."
In a 2004 column, she summarized her view of Christianity: "Jesus' distinctive message was: People are sinful and need to be redeemed, and this is your lucky day because I'm here to redeem you even though you don't deserve it, and I have to get the crap kicked out of me to do it." She then mocked "the message of Jesus ... according to liberals," summarising it as "...something along the lines of 'be nice to people'," which, in turn, she said "is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity (as opposed to other religions, specifically Islam)".
Confronting some critics' views that her content and style of writing is un-Christian,she has stated that "I'm a Christian first and a mean-spirited, bigoted conservative second, and don't you ever forget it.
"She has also said: "... Christianity fuels everything I write. Being a Christian means that I am called upon to do battle against lies, injustice, cruelty, hypocrisy — you know, all the virtues in the church of liberalism."
In Godless: The Church of Liberalism, as well as in personal appearances, Coulter makes it very clear that she is a creationist, claiming that there is no evidence proving the theory of evolution and calling it "bogus science".
I don't get it. How can you not love this woman? ...you people.
Moving on. I suppose there are people who view their religion as a social networking club. But if you step aside from Anne's total control of your spinal reflexes for a moment, don't you realize that most truly religious people know that their's is the most perfect realization of God's wishes for our lives? In that light, a "religious" "Godly" person who did NOT hope for you to find the salvation that they enjoy would exemplify the height of elitist, hate-filled zenophobia.
Whatever. Check in once in a while. Let me know when Anne gives you your spine back. I'll be around.
Ann Coulter:"The Perfect Christian".
Christ says in the Bible that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. So heaven will hardly look like a Republican National Convention. It won't look like a Democratic National Convention either. According to the Gospels Heaven is home of those who spent their time giving to others:helping the poor, visiting those in prison, healing the sick, welcoming strangers, struggling for justice, and making peace.
I imagine that in heaven we will meet a whole host of folks from every era who have stood up for justice, the poor, and for peace among them we will find -- Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Hamer, Jimmy Carter, John Lennon and Yoko Ono, Nelson Mandela, Princess Diana, the members of Doctors Without Borders, John Shelby Spong, Cindy Sheehan...
...We will probably not meet Ann Coulter, George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Dick Cheney, Carl Rove, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly or any other person who called themselves a Christian while actively standing in the way of our progress towards a more just, equitable, and peaceful society. And that's not my opinion but the words of the Gospel. Check it out for yourself in Matthew 25:31-46.
Heaven is filled with those believed on the Lord Jesus. Nothing to do with democrat, republican, liberal or conservative.
"...we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament..."
Too funny...now AC is the spokeperson for Christianity. Such a shining example of Christian kindness and love.
BTW, I thought it was mandatory that before an educated, upper-middle class person starts touting the Old Testament he/she must first go through a drug or alcohol crisis. Maybe she used to secretly date George W. Bush on the side when she was in high school.
"Perfected Christians" Nice mantra but lacking in 4 beliefs:
1. The sovereignty of God, rather than mankind...
2. The Lorship of Christ, rather than America or the Republican Party...
3. The authority of Scripture - the Word of God, as opposed to the words of God...
4. The presence of the Kingdom of God, rather than the creation of our own image of the Kingdom of God here on earth...
Ann, the Republican Party, those who repeat the Sinner's Prayer and hastily forget that they are sinners, and those for whom the Sermon on the Mount is for a future time, are antithetical to the call of God and fit right into the prosperity gospel of McChurch.
What a tragedy!
Stan Moody, Ph.D., author of Crisis in Evangelical Scholarship and McChurched: 300 Million Served and Still Hungry...
She is an upstanding member of the largest church in the world: The Church Of The Almighty Dollar
You gentlemen are right.The idea of Ann belonging to a religion that follows the teachings of a man who if alive today would no doubt be thought of as a left wing agitator is absurd.
Just the idea of an educated political commentator espousing the idea that everyone should belong to a particular religion is insanity. An insane person is the occasional point man for right wing talking points and yet there are morons, some who post here, who still say praise AC as a funny, articulate woman whose strong point is her political incorrectness. I beg to differ...she's just insane.
...and those posters are eerily silent on this thread. I can't wait to get their take on AC`s anti-Semitism or how what she said wasn’t anti-Semitic and how it is intentionally being misconstrued by all the Liberals that hate her and furthermore the Liberal Deutsch (even though he’s an Independent) lured her into a trap.
That’s Far Right logic. Bigotry is nonexistent in America, and Coulter’s comments are taken out of context by those whiny, sensitive liberals. Liberals are being—to take a slur used redundantly by one sexually-repressed poster here— “sissies” since liberals dare call out Coulter’s hate and bigotry. There’s always an excuse nowadays for overt and covert racism, sexism, homophobia and Anti-Semitism by the Far Right. What I find disturbing about her comments was that she lacked the empathy to understand how disgusting and fascist-like her words are to those who are Jewish. Coulter throws the history of Jewish oppression by Christians completely out of the window in order to score cheap, political points, to be provocative! I would almost label Coulter the Right Wing pundit version of Madonna, but even the latter wasn’t provocative and inflammatory just for the hell of it—there was a message of female empowerment behind Madonna’s antics. Since Coulter is no feminist (despite the fact she borrowed so much from them), Coulter does things repulsive because nowadays repulsiveness with no intellectual foundation is marketable and embraced by the public as being refreshing and non-PC. Political incorrectness celebrated for the sake of being politically incorrect.
This is why I don’t accept the notion that she’s a “satirist;” there's nothing behind Coulter's flamboyancy and wit—just vile hate. Some may laugh at her remarks because such comments are things many think, want to say, and can’t since such remarks are socially unacceptable; some may applaud her for being a xenophobic, homophobic, Anti-Semitic screech monkey because being so unapologetically hateful is seen as “hip” and “ballsy;” but at the end of the day propagating hate in a clipped New England accent isn’t illuminating, witty or provocative, it's just a slick, glossy way in repackaging and selling fascism to a public that should be smart enough to reject such degenerative propaganda and see it for what it's worth, even if the person who is spreading it has a Katherine Hepburn accent and posh demeanor.
Thank you Preston for that very eloquent post.
Thank you, Julia, I appreciate your kind words! :)
Hey Preston,
I just checked back in on this thread and I see the ususal suspects have not weighed in yet, maybe just maybe Ann has finally crossed the line of defense for them.
I should read more before I post, I guess! You're absolutely right...If JC were alive today he would be ridiculed as a Tree-Hugging Liberal!
Given that Tranny Coulter strives so heartily to not be taken seriously, I've decided to view everything she says in the prism of comedy/performance art.
See, she's really doing an act -- a parody of a right-wing harpy. And it's hilarious. Don't you all agree?
DD didn't take it as a parody. i think he was seconds away from running her and her book out of the studio. Now that would have gotten him ratings.
A reading from the book of Coulter:
“On the 8th day God created the Republican Party, and proclaimed “go forth and spend abundantly, ye shall be allowed to wire tape without warrants, torture without impunity, and sodomize in secrete. Heed the Archangel “W’s” warning 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11, 9-11. Amen”
Of course, New York City during the Republican National Convention was thousands of happy Republicans surrounded by millions of demonstrators and New Yorkers who hated their guts.
But of course Ann didn't see any of that.
I remember that convention. I merely looked like a Republican and some hippy kid (obviously not a local) mumbled ominously as he passed me: "You'd better get off this island because we don't like you!"
(shivver.lol)
I replied. "oh yeah pal? I live here where are you from?" No answer from shrinking violet but he did speed up a little down the street. The cop next to me laughed and suggested Michigan, but my bet is Vermont (not that there's anything wrong with that).
This is something I wrote in my Amazon review of "Slander." I certainly think the same thing applies to this latest Coulter spew:
Here's a new angle on objections to Coulter's diatribe. She staunchly defends the Christian Right, particularly Jerry Falwell. Coulter doesn't quote the much-repeated Falwell/Pat Robertson exchange after 9/11 (wherein they suggested the attack on the Twin Towers was divine punishment on America for homosexuality, abortions, feminists, and the ACLU among others). Rather she quotes Walter Cronkite's reaction to to Falwell's remarks and claims this is a typical liberal reaction by an out-of-touch elitist. So why not quote Falwell to counterpoint Cronkite?
Coulter also displays a sly anti-Semitism early in the book. While she vigorously defends the likes of Falwell and Robertson all the the book, early on she bashes liberals for bashing conservatives in the wake of Matthew Shepard's murder.
Here's what Coulter writes: "In another translation from the liberal rabbinate, a Washington Post columnist casually compared serious and substantial men like Shelby Steele and Clarence Thomas to a cringing, servile slave from the miniseries 'Roots' on the basis of...a 'metaphor.'" Page 14. That's the exact quote. Coulter manages to defend two conservatives while cleverly linking those horrible liberals with Jewish rabbis. Doesn't do anything like this elsewhere in the book. An accidental or arbitrary word choice? Coulter's too smart for that. She's subtlely linked Jews and their learned leaders with those awful liberals, smearing the good names of good conservatives. No accident for this fan of Falwell (who as of this writing on 10/31/02 still has a section on his website claiming that the anti-Christ will be a Jewish male.)
Christians would be better served if they realized it’s people like Coulter, not liberals, that actually put people off to Christianity. We often hear from the Right about the lack of Muslims condemning terrorism, yet someone like Coulter is invited to speak at megachurches. If Coulter is a true Christian then I’ll stick to atheism, thank you very much.
I really think this is the final exposure of right wing ideology. Nothing beyond this is needed. All the hate, all the weird obsessions are here.
Though, I wonder, how long before MMFA and Donny are accused of taking Ann's idiotic comments OUT OF CONTEXT? (I'm counting the seconds . . .)
You also gotta love her sources, her citations of authoritative opinion: (1) it's true because it was said on a Seinfeld episode . . . ; (2) even Jerry Falwell said Jews go to heaven . . . . (a heaven, by the way, that looks like the Republican convention!!!)
sweet mercy, what a nut!
This just in!
Is Ann Coulter in a War on Yahweh?
Next on FOX News...
Nope, she's doing Yahweh's bidding, stirring up hatred and bigotry amongst the masses. War gods love it when people fight with one antoher. In the old sagas, Odin made Freya reluctantly stir up trouble between two cheiftains so Odin could reap the dead for Valhalla. War gods live to make war.
Coulter is cursed of Freya. Loveless, with no man in her life, living in a constant stew of hatred and madness. She will never know love, only bitterness and despair.
I think it would reflect well upon whichever deity if Coulter was excluded from the celestial country club.
If Ann Coulter is a Christian, then i am a turbo charged neon-accented unicorn who s**ts rainbows and ice cream
I've mentioned this before but it's worth repeating. Coulter was raised in one of the whitest, conservative and most non diverse towns in Fairlfield county Connecticut. Blacks, Jews and anyone else who does not look like need not apply. This was the environment that Coulter was raised; intolerent and bigoted. I think Thurston Howell and "Luvey" where Coulters neighbors.
This interview is simply moronic. I don't know why the host even bothered with Ann Coulter. He could have gotten as ridiculous of a response from your average, run-of-the mill right-wing blogger.
I'm not sure if the interviewer is qualified or not, but I would very much like someone, to someday, probe the depths of Coulter's Christian faith. I suspect it's about as shallow as the President's. Have you ever heard either of them talk spontaneously and in depth about the Bible? I doubt it. Watch them closely - they mostly just mouth platitudes like "Freedom is a gift from the almighty" and other such meaningless statements.
and another thing, what in the hell is that on the side of her head. Could be an ear that was stretched when her girlfriend forgot to let go! OK OK I know that was rude and horribly profane. my sincere apolgies but just look at that thing. She's gotta be able to pick up short wave radio stations in Finland with that.
What the hell does Coulter mean that Christianity is "more like Fed Ex" and "has to obey laws"? There are quite a few WTF moments. So, Jews don't have laws to obey? Oh and her use of a Seinfeld episode as proof of interracial marriages looking for challenges is hilarious!
Annie are you okay? Annie are you okay? Are you okay Annie? Sorry I just LOOOVE Michael Jackson! I can dance just like him too!
i think coulter was saying that jews have to keep laws, while christians have jesus who died for their sins, and therefore the laws of the old testament no longer apply....the fed ex comment really should have many good christians of all denominations up in arms....wonder if lufa boy will now label mann coulter a secular progressive
Sam Harris May Just Be Right!
This type of behavior and mentality does make one wonder if it is indeed religion in general (and fundamentalism in particular) that is the source of many if not most of the ills in a civilized world. I know, please don't point out the ridiculousness of using the phrase "civilized world" in anything to do with the Manster! This is what turns many off about the christian religion. Bill Maher was talking about the fact that most of the world has heard of 'Jesus' by now so the purpose of missionaries is no longer clear. Let those who want to come to Jesus do so...And let the rest of us alone! And, yes, feel free to 'pray' for me and my kind! Has anyone else ever wondered why the chosen people didn't think Christ was the messiah? And, in all honesty, if Jesus were to come back today (as the rapture-right hopes) where do you think he would be? I doubt he would find anything in common with the hate-filled, intolerant, closed-minded sycophants on the conservative side! I can't help but think that if Jesus were alive today, the Limbaugh's of the world would chastise him as a weak-minded liberal what with all of his talk about helping the poor and blessed are the peacemakers and other such silly liberal ideas. Ann Coulter would most assuredly find some way to question his manhood at the least!
The jews didn't think jesus was the messiah because they think the messiah is a person come to deliver them from oppression to conquer so they could rule.
A warrior so to speak. A mighty king.
Anyway that is the way I understood it.
Jesus was none of that.
But Ann better watch out, the Jesus that is said to be coming in the christian religion is mad as hell, and bringing terrible forms of death and destruction to the entire world.....ah...except for the ones caught up in midair and taken to that republican heaven. (rapture)
wow....
Im glad its a myth or I would be scared, lol.
Not a lot of the usual rightwing defenders of rightwing pundits on this one.
Well, look, her Christian faith is helping her, isn't it? The black cocktail dress is OUTTA HERE!!!!! Seriously my brother and I agree, as long as these clowns keep running their mouths and Republican Senators have trouble explaining how smear tactics on a twelve year old boy didn't emulate from their office this could be a breeze next year, ANNIE, you go, girl (OK, wait a minute...why am I struggling with this?)
Her logic is that Christians are perfected Jews because they believe they are a continuation of the same tradition. By that logic Mormons are the perfected Christians?
You claim to not be anti-semetic, yet I believe that what you're going for, is a little bit like what Hitler was. You speak out about how everyone should be at a Christian view, and that there shouldn't be Judism; And whats this about they can Pracice it, but they aren't truly Jewish? How can you pratice something that you were raised on, and that you believe in but not stand for it. That would be equivelant to saying that there should be no Christianity, strictly Judism. Well, I mean, you can practice Christianity, but you aren't Truly a Christian. Turn the tables(as I believe you did in your interview), and put yourself on the other side. You don't even have to make it about Judism, what about Budhism? Roman catholic? Wiccan? I myself, am not a religious person, although I do study it. Enough to know, that what you're doing is Anti-Semetic. Hitler rose to power so that he could create the ultimate race, the Arian Race. He believed that you should only be Christian, and thats final. Justify your view, and tell me, explain to me why you believe that the other races, and beliefs are wrong. Justify your reasoning for belief that yours is the only religion to be true. How are you certain that maybe other beliefs aren't the right ones. The Jesus hasn't arrived for the first coming, and not the second. If Jesus has truly come, then why, why are you throwing out racial remarks in the media. You state that Jesus died for our sins. If so, then you're create one of the greatest sins of descrimination. So its quite possible that if he hasn't come, and that when and if he does, you'll be wiped out, because you yourself have sinned. I cannot speak out against your Political and religious views mixed, because I haven't enough information, nor understanding about Politics. So I'll leave it at this. I understand you to be another millenium Hitler, and what you're doing is wrong. Whether I have jusitfied myself to you or not, take the time to think about it.
It is the blatant ignorance of the highly educated and equally highly profiled sector of our society that we must question and react strongly to.
Our youth and the weak minded followers need comments and analysis such as the "Hitler" comparison.
The most horrifying part was the additional statement "As they say". Pardon me, but I don't remember "saying" that. For if I even thought of it LET ME BURN IN HELL
I find it amazing that only one person on this thread has bothered to quote the Bible (which is really the only source to go to to assess whether a statement is Christian or not). And that one person missed the point.Ann was completely, technically correct.Jesus was a Jew. Jesus came as the Messiah for the Jews. Jesus came to fulfill the law (the "rules," as Ann said)Matthew 5:17 New American Standard Bible"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill."In fulfilling the law, Christ first allowed Jews to become perfect in Him.Colossians 1:28 (New International Version) "We proclaim Him, admonishing and teaching everyone with all wisdom, so that we may present everyone <b>perfect in Christ</b>."Therefore, one who believes in Christ, who believes and accepts that Christ died for his sins, is a "perfected Jew."It's a very accurate description. A bit abrasive, but hey, Jesus saidMatthew 10:34 (New American Standard Bible)"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."Ann must think she's God's sword.Regardless, there is so much misunderstanding of Christianity that I must set some people straight.Gandhi, to the best of my knowledge, never accepted Jesus as his savior. For that reason, he's not in heaven. He went to hell. It's not about being good, nice, peaceful, etc. It's about accepting that Jesus died for your sins. That is the core, the essence of Christianity, yet even most Christians don't understand that.The idea that Evangelicals view those outside as pagans misses the point. We want and invite those pagans to accept Christ and join us. That's what "evangelical" <i>means</i>. We recognize that many (most) will reject the message. That's biblical too.Matthew 10:14 (God's Word translation)"If anyone doesn't welcome you or listen to what you say, leave that house or city, and shake its dust off your feet."So who's rejecting whom here?Christianity doesn't mean you celebrate diversity and respect incorrect beliefs. It means you celebrate Christ and respect man made in the image of God.When DD said he was offended, he was simply living out what Christ predicted when he sent out the disciples; many Jews just weren't receptive of the truth.
Gandhi accepted Christ, and acted in a Christ-like manner
He was not one who interpreted scripture to fit his own desires, but who lived the Gospel message.
Sorry, you don't get to decide the fate of others; only yourself. Search the scriptures, for in them you think you will gain eternal life; but the message is too simple for you.
Whew, I was waiting for some of the religious nuts to come out of the woodwork!
Listen, you are free to believe and practice whatever you want. Just please, don't push your beliefs on us. Evangelical is just a nice way of say 'pushy and condescending'
You say 'technically' she's correct. Well, yes, technically according to your version of the bible. You didn't qualify it, though. That's what makes you people seem so arrogant and 'holier-than-thou'. Get over yourselves, evangelicals!
I hope you understand that I was disagreeing with "baffled."
Mary - sorry for the confusion. My reply was directed at Baffled, but I hit the wrong 'reply to comment' link.
Isn't amazing that a human being can say with all certainty who is and who isn't in heaven. Last time I checked God's the boss of heaven and he can let anyone in he so chooses despite what some well meaning human beings wrote in a book a few thousand years ago. To believe that Gandhi is not in heaven because he didn't utter the words "I accept Jesus Christ as my personal savior" but that clown pretending to be a Christian pastor who pickets the funerals of Gay people and says the vilest most chilling utterances God's creatures is heaven bond because he did utter those words is utterly ridiculous. The God I worship can do whatever he wants and I’m thrilled that my judgment will be carried out by God and not by all these arrogant overly judgmental idiots walking this earth with me. Besides Jesus told us to love one another as we love him and to treat each other the way we want to be treated. Now I’m pretty sure that all people want to be treated with kindness and respect so that does mean we should be kind and giving and yes NICE. Jesus told us to care for the least among us so yes we should be NICE to them. People like ANN behave in a way that is the antithesis of Jesus’ example and his teachings. These people who teach this message that you can be the biggest a-hole that ever lived and that they can do a life time full of nastiness, but as long as you say they accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior they can still go to heaven may be in for a serious shock at the end. I love Jesus because he represents for me the epitome of kindness and a pure love just for the sake of kindness and love. Surely I could never be like Jesus my humanity will always preclude that, but I can certainly do my best to emulate and at least consider his example in my dealings with all of God’s creations that inhabit this earth with me. Yet people like this think because I view the Bible as a book written by inspired but all too human fallible beings and not God himself that I won’t be able to enter into heaven. Oh no they’ve got a lock on it. What audacity huh?
Lynn,
I agree with much of what you wrote. I think it unfortunate that some Christians have such a dogmatic and rigid view of who gets to heaven and who does not. Fortunately for all of us, it doesn't really matter what others thinks as they do not sit at Peter's gate with admission tickets. :-) Unfortunately some of these people of whom you spoke have transifixed on the literal meaning of some of Jesus's teachings and seem to ignore the others.
With regards to Ann's comments, I don't know if Jesus said one cannot express their faith on TV even some misinterpret or post those comments a year later on MMFA. :-)
oops. I meant to say: "...even IF some misinterpret..."
Sorry for the confusion.
Woah, thoughtful. Perceptive even. Are you on the right blog?
Gandhi accepted Christ, and acted in a Christ-like manner
Utter nonsense. Conservative Christians and Coulter profess that the only way to heaven is to accept Christ as their personal savior. Gandhi never did so; He was a Hindu. Thus, according to them, he is in hell. The Dalai Lama will follow shortly. Aung San Suu Ky is similarly destined to reside in that zip code. Last year's Nobel Peace Prize recipient, Dr. Muhammad Yunus will be in their company as well as the 2005 recipient, Dr. Mohamed El Baradei.
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. Mohandas Gandhi
Why would I want to be saved and go to heaven if Ann Coulter is going to be there? And, according to you, if AC reaches heaven it is because, despite her wickedness, she believed in ancient religious texts that taught that Christ died for her to obtain eternal salvation.
If the price of heaven is having to put up with Ann Coulter or Jerry Falwell, no thanks. I 'll be in the other place with the sane, interesting people.
"Judge not lest ye be judged." Mt. 7-1.
"Kiss my happy arse." IRONY 101 10/11/07
Baffled:
What you have just done is treat us to your sect's interpretation of what you choose to believe is the inspired word of God. People who don't see it your way, even those who consider themselves Christian, don't understand, according to you and your sect, what true Christianity is, and are damned. There are many Christian sects and each of the fundamentalist ones, like yours, believes that it has the truth, and all who don't believe as they do are damned. Islam is full of sects that believe the same thing, many of them feeling a religious impulse to murder "infidels," even Muslim ones.
Now hang in with me here, because this is going to be hard for you. I'm going to ask you to think, and not process and regurgitate received "truth." It is not possible for more than one of these myriad sects to be right, no matter how confidently they claim their personal relationship with God. I would argue that it's more than likely that you're all wrong.
One last thing: the next time you're tempted to tout that you're "born again, with Jesus as your "personal Saviour," go to Luke, 18: 9-14.
Not bad, but not quite.
Jesus said that only through him will anyone enter to eat from the Tree of Eternal Life (that's a synthesis).
We INTERPRET that to mean you must be Born Again in Him because it jibes with other references, but God's Ineffability will not allow me, you, or anybody to box him in. If there is one person that has pure free will, well that'd be God.
So it's up to him. I bet Ghandi and Mother Theresa get a pass in with flying colors and a huge hug, warts and all (even though several Indian & Pakistani friends of mine have said that mostly Indians and Pakistani don't like Ghandi very much-because he went along with the Brit concept of partition...it was not as Attenborough tells it apparently. Go figure, a self-hating former colonialist getting it wrong... (They are amazed by M.T. though, because she gave pure love with no strings))
I am baffled by the stupidity that ANYONE would believe Ghandi was sent to eternal damnation. Since you bring up the bible. Did you MISS the part where Cyrus the Great was called beloved of God? Now he was NOT a jew, he, like all of the Achemeniads would have been a Zoroastrian. I think your take on this is bigoted. I dont believe for one second your biblical view. I am a Christain who in no way believes YOUR interpretations are the only ones that matter.
Who is Ann Coutlter anyway?
Plainly she is a right winger. That's OK but she lacks any sense of fair play. she seems immature and grossly abusive. She spits venom at every opportunity towards people who are of opposing social views, never offering any rational or verifible substantiation. I've never heard her say anything good about anyone or anything.
I'd like to know about her scolastic and professional background. By what process did she come to have any kind of national recognition? What are her credentials? Who are the prople who back her financially?
<i>You walk past a mixed-race couple in New York, and it's like they have a chip on their shoulder. They're just waiting for somebody to say something, as if anybody would."</i>
Yeah, I mean, mixed-race couples are so exceedingly RARE in NY. I mean, you so *seldom* see mixed race couples in big cities in this country. And as Anne points out later: they're obviously doing it just to provoke people. It's not like they could possibly *love* each other or anything.
People: is she *really* that stupid, or just doing it for the money? I guess the two aren't mutually exclusive.
What a sad, bitter person Anne Coulter is.
Hey, isn't Clarence Thomas married to a white woman?
" ...Do Baptist, Catholic and Unitarian worship together?
Each calls on Me, acclaims Me in his way; How can I be bound by them if I am divine? How can any man or church or institution proclaim its mastery over the universe, without some proof of such pretensions; without the binding of the course of things;
So if war comes, are they not to blame for failure to uphold their grandiose claims?
Forgive them, Father, for their deep shortcomings,
Bring them closer to Me, that they might learn..."
'Murshid Samuel Lewis, What Christ, What Peace?
(born into the Jewish Levi Stauss family, became a Sufi mystic, who wrote with divine understanding about Christianity)
Murshid made a mistake when he jumped from Judaism to Islam without stopping off long enough to get to know the New Testament.
He sounds cool and all, channeling the very voice of the Divine. But how could it be that the Divine could not know his own words? Jesus explicitly gave Peter and the Apostles the power/the knowledge/the ability/the authority to determine what is bound on Earth as in Heaven.
Who are you going to believe? Jesus? Or a self proclaimed "mystic" millionaire arrogant enough to claim to speak the mind of God? Or do I even need to ask?
He was not a millionare. His family disowned him. He lived a very simple life of himility and service.
He didn't ignore Judaism. He was learned in many faiths and recognized as such.
He worked for peace all his life; attended peace conferences around the world.
Next time try to listen and learn.
I hope that I'm not the only one who contacted the Anti Defamation League
http://www.adl.org/
Many people need to contact them and let them know how offensive this was. I can't believe that Mr. Deutsch didn't ask her to leave. I can't believe that she is still invited to mix with decent company. She actually makes my skin crawl.
I think Ann's view is so commonly accepted amongst evangelicals that Ann didn't know she shouldn't say it out loud to others who don't sip from the same kool aide. It is kind of like a Jimmy-the-Greek moment. Her patronizing bigotry seems simply to be a given. It is kind of like "Hey - doesn't everybody believe this is true?...No?...Oops."
Evangelicals will be SCREAMING about Ann's comment! As a group they support the Jewish people and Israel. Financiallly as well as politically and spiritually. (Check out John Hagee and move on from there). Find an evengelical and even HINT at anything negative about Jews or Israel and then back off before the quotes start flying! Whatever Ann is she is NOT an evangelical!
I support Jews and Israel AND agree with Ann that Christianity is correct over Judaism or any other religion. That doesn't mean that I hate Jews or anyone else. I just think I'm right.
I assume most posters believe that their own viewpoint is the correct and best one.
See what I mean? They don't even know or don't care how patronizing they are to the Jewish people with their beliefs. Fundamentalist Christians view Jews as a favored pet.
They also view Jesus as their favorite pet. Look at where their ego sits in relation to Jesus, and its fairly obvious.
Personally, if you ever listen to some of the things they believe, most of these right-wing Christians are rather disingenuous about their support of Israel and the Jewish people...I keep getting the impression that people like John Hagee and his ilk are supportive of a more aggressive Israel so that the Middle East will go up in flames and they can have the rapture they so badly crave, even if rapture theology is just an early 19th Century heresy.
Oh my god.... the 'fast' track... Christians should be offended by this... but this is from someone who has a 'general' idea about how our world should be.. and a 'different' stance is just 'bad'
And she used sitcon to explain her point.....
I agree with Ann. She is comparing the Jewish faith to the Christian faith. Ours is: Accept Jesus and be forgiven. The Jews' is: follow specific laws and make sacrifices to atone for sin. How is the Christian way not simpler? (like FedEx?)
So you don't see any criticism or potentially offensive oversimplification of Judaism in Ann's words? You really don't?
just noticed that Coulter's appearance on a show called "The Big Idea."
This show needs to be re-named; or is the name satiric?
I'm not a Christian--and don't know a lot about various denominations of the faith--so I'm especially interested in hearing from those of you who are, especially those of you who found Coulter's comments offensive. Would it not be consistent with the Christian point of view to think that Jews missed the boat on Jesus and would redeem themselves (so to speak) by converting?
It seems in the nature of religious belief to think everyone else is wrong (this is Sam Harris's point). What I believe is offensive about Coulter's comments (for those of you who saw them strictly in a religious context) is that Judaism is also an ethnicity and a culture (with a well documented history of persecution and genocide), not just a religion, and it's not possible to talk about Jews or Judaism writ large without invoking those things...unless you're being pretty careful, which as we know Coulter's never is. Especially if you're implying that the world would be better if there were no Jews in it...that indeed does cause pain and offense.
Anyway, I'm not a fan of Ann Coulter (to say the least), but she certainly has the right to wish for a wholly Christian nation, if that's what she wants. That for me is what brings up all the questions...in a "free" society, presumably we have the right to worship or not as we choose...? I guess for me, her comments raise more civic/political questions than religious ones.
Well she did say she would be OK, in her perfect world, with observant Jews. Bear in mind that Christian society has a pretty wide cultural spread. An Indian friend of mine, for example, dates his cultural conversion to Christianity all the way back to St Thomas (who went to India). Presumably, though you are free to disagree, Anne is OK with Indian, Druze, Senegalese, Mexican, and even (if we must) Pentacostal Christians. If not, well, then she's being shallow, not before.
BTW. Is this tape really a year old? Why are we talking about it now?
What I find offensive about Anns comments is it paints Jews as less than. I am a Christian that doesnt believe that only WE get into heaven. It is not consistant with Old Testament teachings and it doesnt make sense. The bible says God will write his precepts in MY HEART and my heart cannot accept that unless you believe in exactly the way some sects are TAUGHT to believe you are condemned in ANY way. It also makes no sense and I dont believe God gave me a brain NOT to use.
aaaackkk. can we get that photo off the front page and replace it with a stick figure or a can of paint?
Many here mistake Ann's comment about being perfected as a slam against Jews. It is not. t simply means complete or mature or healthy (e.g., Lev 22:21)
It is not a controversial view, nor does it demean Jews in any way. It is simply that Christians believe Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light. (John 14-6). Which means Christians believe that following the teachings of Jesus will assure everlasting life in Heaven.
However the interpretaion as to knowing the Father only through knowing Jesus is subject to lots of interpretations. Hence so many Christian denominations. For many centuries, and still today, many take a stricter interpretation that one has to be a Christian to get to get to Heaven. One of Jesus's teachings: Mt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: {teach...: or, make disciples, or, Christians of all nations} is a driving force in Christianity. Many Christians feel they need to spread "the good news of Christ".
Having said that, many Christians believe that one can follow Jesus's teachings without having to be a Christian. Ghandi's life is a good example. He exhibited by his actions most of what Jesus taught. Non-violence, humility, love, faith, and forgiveness.
Ann is only stating what is traditional Christian thought.
AA,
I was wondering where you were and predictably you came along to explain Ann's silliness. Ann behaves like a good Christian and follows Jesus’ teaching which means she loves Liberals of course because Jesus instructed us to love each other as we love him. That's way Ann does correct? I know hateful humor wasn't specifically addressed in the bible.
Uh. Thanks for wondering about me. Glad I lived up to your expectations. :-)
Not to be nitpicky but I think you are misquoting Jesus. In Luke 27" ...`You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,' and `your neighbor as yourself.'
As one can interpret the meanings of Jesus's words various ways, one can also debate the same with Ann's. We simply disagree.
LOVE ONE ANOTHER!"
John 15:12John 15:12<< John 14 | John 15 | John 16 >>
12 “This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Thanks, Lynn...What a perfect commandment.
Now bag-o-bones annie can't quite be called a "perfected Jew"/Christian since she flunked the 10 Commandments
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
Maybe so but his answer to the rich man who asked how to gain salvation was pretty simple. It was little more than love God and be fair and honest in all your dealings, nothing else. Its pretty hard to accept that by that standard people like Ghandi would be left out.
Great point, AA. I pray for you, and I pray that one day you see the silliness of your beliefs and convert back to Judaism, which was your original religion anyways.
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and so ann is really spreading the good word, by verbally destroying anyone she disagrees with....who knew?
So you are saying it is NOT a slam to say Jews are incomplete, immature and NOT healthy? Please tell me you are kidding
UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!
It's comments like that that make me wonder if Coulter is not just another Stephen Colbert; that it's just a piece of performance art and that Ann is really a liberal person poking fun at the conservatives.
But I suspeect that I'm wrong, and she really is as crazy as she appears to be. This sort of exemplifies the type of behavior of a lot of the extremist evangelicals -- despite their inability to operate in a world full of facts, logic, and reason, they somehow believe that being Christian makes a person perfect -- or at least better than just any old slob who peddles the same types of trashy ideology. If Christianity is what brings a person to perfection, then obviously Ann Coulter still has a long way to go, in spite of allegedly being Christian.
As I mentioned earlier, I think many misinterpret what Ann means to be 'perfected'. It doesn't mean Christians are 'perfect' and everyone else is not. It means that Christians have a fuller and more complete understanding of God the Father through their knowledge of his son, Jesus.
I don't know of any Christian that claims to be perfect. In that regard I think Ann would agree with you.
It means that Jews are either deficient or defective in some way. It's saying that her interpretation of the supernatural is superior to that of Jews. BTW, I thought AC was a political commentator, not an expert on explaining the supernatural.
I believe the Jews have a better understanding of God, because they don't think that his son was some skinny middle-eastern dude with a beard. Not sure if that's condescending to you or not, but I really don't care.
This one wasn’t about Coulter just being an attention hog. The dialogue makes it pretty clear that Mr. Deutsch doesn’t truly know what he is supposed to believe as a professing Jew. If he did he would at least partially understand what Coulter was trying to say. (She did NOT say that Israel should be wiped off the earth, but Deutsch didn’t have a problem putting those words in her mouth.) Jews who have NOT actually read the translated Hebrew Scriptures (otherwise know as The Old Testament) don’t really have the luxury of being offended if they don’t truly know what their own Jewish law is. And to be fair, Christians who haven’t read the Bible don’t have that luxury either. This is what happens when politicos try to be theologians. They all end up looking dumb and/or offensive.
Wow, talk about pretentious.
Donny didn't know what he's supposed to believe, as a Jew, because he doesn't know the text of the actual scripture??
That's like saying a police officer has no right to arrest someone if he can't recite the Constitution from memory.
Gee Dgardner, when you wrote, “…pretty clear that Mr. Deutsch doesn’t truly know what he is supposed to believe as a professing Jew.” did you actually know what you were saying? Are you Jewish, Dgardner? Then you went on with, “Jews who have NOT actually read the translated Hebrew Scriptures (otherwise know as The Old Testament) don’t really have the luxury of being offended if they don’t truly know what their own Jewish law is.” Are you a Jew? Are you offended? I am. I am offended by you, Dgardner. I read Torah in Hebrew. I also read it in English, not to deride mistranslations & misunderstandings but rather to further my knowledge & understanding and my love of God. ¶Unfortunately Dgardner, you & your words “…end up looking dumb and/or offensive.”
From a few of the recent posts:
"...this low-life scum...""...Ann Falter...""...fake "Christian.""...Skeletor..." "...Tranny Coulter...""...what in the hell is that on the side of her head..."
Obviously, AC is not the only one who engages in ugly, personal attacks. However, in this case I think that the basic premise of the left is way off. There are many Christians who believe that Jesus is the fulfillment of the coming of the Messiah that was prophesied in the Old Testament. These Christians are want ALL people to accept Jesus as their Saviour. But more specifically, Christians give the Good News to all people as a gift to be freely accepted.
What AC said was meant to be a loving and kind act to benefit all people, Jews and non-Jews alike.
This is not my particular faith, but I understand it and know that what AC said was said in love, not hate.
"What AC said was meant to be a loving and kind act to benefit all people, Jews and non-Jews alike...what AC said was said in love, not hate."
Hahahahahahahahahahaha...! And you are a delusional fool. But, of course, I say that with love...
Of course we are saying it on a website which everyone understands is little more than cocktail party gossip and SHE is spewing her hatfull BS on National TV. NO I cant see ANY possible way what she said was loving.
This one wasn’t about Coulter being an attention hog. The dialogue makes it pretty clear that Mr. Deutsch doesn’t truly know what he is supposed to believe as a professing Jew. If he did he would at least partially understand what Coulter was trying to say. (She did NOT say that Israel should be wiped off the earth, but Deutsch didn’t have a problem putting those words in her mouth.) Jews who have NOT actually read the translated Hebrew Scriptures (otherwise know as The Old Testament) don’t really have the luxury of being offended if they don’t truly know what their own Jewish law is. And to be fair, Christians who haven’t read the Bible don’t have that luxury either. This is what happens when politicos try to be theologians. They all end up looking dumb and/or offensive.
DGardner, Sorry I didn't understand your point. What was it that Deutsch was supposed to understand as part of his professed belief system? It seemed to me that it was the use of the word "perfected" that he didn't understand, which I understood from other writers to be a Christian concept.
(She did NOT say that Israel should be wiped off the earth, but Deutsch didn’t have a problem putting those words in her mouth.)
No - she did not say Israel should be wiped off the map. What she basically said was, in her ideal nation, everyone would be Christian, and there would be no Jews.
It's certainly her right to think that. It doesn't make it any less condescending or bigoted. I'm not offended by it, because I know that's who she is, but that doesn't mean it's not an offensive statement.
You guys can defend her all you want, you're just defending a vile, hate-filled bigot.
Gee Dgardner, when you wrote, “…pretty clear that Mr. Deutsch doesn’t truly know what he is supposed to believe as a professing Jew.” did you actually know what you were saying? Are you Jewish, Dgardner? Then you went on with, “Jews who have NOT actually read the translated Hebrew Scriptures (otherwise know as The Old Testament) don’t really have the luxury of being offended if they don’t truly know what their own Jewish law is.” Are you a Jew? Are you offended? I am. I am offended by you, Dgardner. I read Torah in Hebrew. I also read it in English, not to deride mistranslations or misunderstandings but rather to further my knowledge & understanding and my love of God. ¶Unfortunately Dgardner, you & your words “…end up looking dumb and/or offensive.”
Perfected was probably not the best word to use to those who don't read the King James New Testament much. A better word is "completed".
The New Testament teachs that Jesus is the long awaited Messiah of the Jews (who's grace extends to the Gentiles as well). He came to die for everyone's sins.
The Jews today who are still looking for that Messiah, since they don't believe it's Jesus, are incomplete (even by their standards), until their Messiah comes.
As a Christian, who believes that Jesus is in fact, that Messiah, I also believe that if Jews today were to accept Jesus, then they would realize that which they are hoping for, and would be complete.
Ann is only a compelted Jew if she is of Jewish heritage.
Since the Messiah has also extended His saving grace to the Gentiles (non Jews). Then anyone who accepts his work on the cross by faith is then made holy and yes, perfected in God's eyes.
Only our holiness or perfection is not based on what we have done but on the fact that Jesus paid the penalty for our sins and therefore we are reckoned righteous and perfect because Jesus was righteous and perfect and we are in Him. So we don't work our way to heaven, we just follow Jesus there and are accepted by God on behalf of Jesus.
This gift is for all people everywhere
You are truly a Christian sophist, MVK. Not that your preaching offends others as much as your fallacious arguments belittle Christianity. Such one-sided bias deceives, just as Coulter & her neocon cronies do. And as others have done here today, denigrating Judaism with disparaging remarks merely demonstrates an almost transparent disdain. All one reads is ignorance, the perpetuated Christian ignorance about anything Jewish. And I still believe other liberals to not be myopic or dumb. Shame on you.
Read the New Testament.
Jesus said "You must be born again"
"Whosoever, believes in me is not condemned, whosoever does not believe in me is condemned already"
"I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but by me"
Paul said,
"There is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved, except the name of Jesus Christ'
"Confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe with your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead and you will be saved"
"Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father."
The last quote speaks of the return of Christ. For some this confession will be to little too late.
These are all quotes from the New Testament.
You can reject them, or ignore them or argue about them but they are there. Your argument is with the scripture and with God.
Deal with it.
You do not understand who the Christ is; nor what Jesus the Christ teaches. This divisiveness is the opposite of Christ's teachings.
You obviously are going by your feelings or what you have been told or by using the term "the Christ" you sound like you may be New Age or Religious Science or Unity although I may be wrong. I'm sure you are quite sincere, but you certainly are not consistent with the teachings of the NT scripture.
Jesus was loving and kind and accepting and forgiving but He also condemened sin and called people to repentance. He was not wishy-washy or trying to appeal to popular opinion. You can't just weed out what you don't want to believe. The quotes I wrote are there and are consistent with the overall message of the Gospel.
Regardless, of your opinion, I choose to believe what I read in the Bible.
Now let's think this through, though.
If I really believe that Jesus is the only way to God as revealed in the Scripture, which means that those that don't believe are lost. Is it loving or hateful to tell others this ? What have I to gain ? Am I just trying to prove a point and be right ?
I truly wish that everyone was going to heaven by default. I wish that is what the Bible said.
I want everyone to be saved. But I can't discount what the Bible teaches. So, if I truly believe the Bible,I am compelled to tell others so that they too can be saved. This is not an act of hate or bigotry but of true concern.
By speaking out my conviction I risk ridcule and in some instances, persecution.
If what I believe is true, and I withhold this information from others, is this then not selfish on my part ?
Now, the people I tell have a choice to make.
I won't kill them or hate them or reject them if they don't believe, even if they scorn and ridicule me. I will just continue to pray for them. Why is this so untenable for you ? If I should happen to be wrong, how has this harmed you ?
I know that no one likes their belief's challenged. It is a source of personal pride.
But please consider the motive behind it.
If you saw a blind man crossing the road in front of a truck, if able, wouldn't you push him out of the way. Now supposed this blind man was not going to believe you that you were trying to save his life. Instead, he swore at you, accused you of hating blind people and that you were just trying to harm him. If fact he was going to sue you. Would that change your action. Would you let him die instead, rather than risk offending him ?
What would true LOVE dictate you should do ?
Maybe that will give you some understanding of Christians and why we are so adamant to tell others.
If after truly investigating the claims of the Gospel, you decide it's not true, and you are at peace with that, then if you are wrong, that is between you and God.
But I urge eveyone to not reject it without first doing your homework by objective study.
It is too important a decision to make emotionally or ignorantly, since it affects you for all eternity.
Deal with it? You think that is a Christian thing to say? Do you see the hypocrisy in that?
No. Not really. Per Jeremiah, we who heed the call are all grafted onto the Vine of Israel, and much, if not most (prophetically) of the NT deals with integrating non-jews into Covenant with the God of the Jews (to this day, His chosen people).
We are all completed in Christ, but we are not all Jewish. Being grafted into the vine doesn't make us Jewish. We become "one new man" all part of the same family, neither Jew nor Gentile, we are all one in Christ.
Actually the term, completed Jew or perfected Jew is not in the new testament per se but is a popular term used by Jews that have converted to Christianity.
From the Jewish perspective, realizing that Jesus is the Messiah and that God's promise to Israel is fulfilled or completed for them personally, then they feel complete. Jewish believers, help me out here. If I'm off base let me know.
Then the Jews, being a special people in God's eyes can embrace it and rejoice in that realization. We gentiles do not replace the Jews. We do not become Jews. We are just partakers with them.
However, a Jew or Gentile without Christ must bear the same consequences of their own sin if they reject the work of Christ on the cross.
God is Holy, we are sinners. If the penalty for our sin is not paid for, there is no way we can be perfect or sinless on our own. We cannot enter heaven. This is why Jesus came. to make a way back to God for us.
The requirement for all is the same. Either live a perfect, sinless life and get to heaven on your own merits or confess you are a sinner and accept that God has already provided forgiveness because of Jesus.
This is the teaching of the New Testament. It is straight forward and simple. People want to make it hard.
Rather than follow the scripture people would rather devise their own way and belief system. They have that right since God gave us all a free will. They can explain their rationale to God when they see Him face to face one day.
For me, I'll hang my hat on the Word of God.
No offense.
It seems you are focused on the stuff in the Bible that never made any sense to me. The kind of things that are inserted into every religion in order to keep people from questioning basic ideas of the faith and concentrating on worship over understanding the reasoning behind scripture.
I suppose that is the difference between me and the fundamentalists out there. I try to live by the Golden Rule and the Beattitudes, but you guys seem to be more interested in everything but that. It's like you guys spend all of your time building relationships with God, but reject or fail to comprehend His most important teachings with your actions - like supporting elective and immoral war for one. I guess I just don't get you guys. From what I see, I'm not missing anything.
Study the New Testament and get back to me.
You may not agree with it, but your argument is with GOD not me.
Here's a suggestion: throw out your dogma and read the New Testament, the words that Jesus spoke,without preconceived notions and interpretations.
Much simpler than the gooblygook you've used to justify what Coulter spews out.
I don't think anyone can really begin to comprehend the NT unless you learn Ancient Greek. I'm serious. Until you do that, you are entirely beholden to other people's translations and perspectives. It has given me a much greater comprehension of it.
With the online tools available, it isn't nearly as daunting as it may seem. I found the online study tools at Crosswalk.com to be invaluable.
This is the subject being discussed on the Situation Room on CNN right now. Thurs. 3:52 pm CST. Love how the RW is trying to spin this!
Andy Warhol said that everyone will be famous for 15 minutes.
So why hasn't Ann Coulter's come and gone yet?
Everytime she opens her mouth and says something so anti-Christian that it's ridiculous, I know that Jesus is somewhere in a corner cringing.
I just wish that someone would have the guts to tell her to shut the (another term for carnal knowledge) up. If I had her phone number, I'd be more than happy to do the job.
coulter talking about christianity is like someone who doesn't know jack crap about a subject talking about that subject.
Jeez, just when I think Coulter has been reduced to fringe and said the most insane and nasty things she ever could, she shows up on CNN and says this. It's indeed a great time to be alive.
What the hell is the big deal? Surprise surprise: a Christian thinks that the world would be a better place if everyone were Christian. Just like a Buddhist thinks the world would be a better place if everyone was Buddhist, a Muslim if everyone was Muslim, Hindu if everyone was Hindu, etc. So what? She's not forcing anyone to convert or threatening them if they don't (those people Media Matters completely ignores). She's just giving her belief.
Actually, I think only egotistical and self-centered people believe that their own religion is perfect for everybody.
This is a hoot. It's a classic example of two people not hearing one another. There should be a meeting of the minds somewhere here, but it's just not happening.
This just proves that the ultra right of the political sphere of America is nothing more than a new-age form of radicalized christian nazis. I mean whats next? Will Brit Hume, and Ann Coulter, and send the jews away?
I love Ann Coulter! She's the best columnist there is today. She does such a good job of showing how the left is the "usefull idiots" they are. No one gets a bigger response from the left than Ann. She really hits those exposed nerves.
Hahahaha. That's all you have? Namecalling? Really? Next time bring an argument with you. Thanks for coming.
When Coulter says that Christians just want Jews to be "perfected" is offensive. It assumes that those of the Jewish faith are imperfect in some form, and that Christianity can 'perfect' them. If I remember correctly, Christ was a Jew. How can people worship Christ, the son of God, a Jew but then preach that Jews, brothers and sisters in the faith of Christ, need to be perfected?
It's nonsense. It's offensive. It's ridiculous. It's Ann.
Good grief! She...the most venomous of the low-quality talk-heads that do more to pollute the environment than any global warming change! How dreadful this great country founded by the brilliant, intellectual and Godly minds of men who did not revert to spending and expanding their egos by indulging in incestuous, egotistical relationships with other of their kind who contribute NOTHING to the betterment of society. Biblically we are doomed and redeemed for eternity. But THEY (Coulter, Hannity, O'Reilly and Limbaugh; who have sold their souls) are the billboard children of the apocalyptic revelations. I cannot believe they can spend their well compensated lives in such destrucive pursuits. Bravo to you Mr. Deutsch for not folding to her follies.
"It is not intended to be (offensive). I don't think you should take it that way, but that is what Christians consider themselves: perfected Jews."
Coulter was a bit clumsy, but certainly not hateful. Me thinks some of us are a little too sensitive.
Zip Zimmerman
It was certainly a bone-headed thing to say. According to the ADL's press release it is discredited thinking that is often associated with anti-semitism.
I don't think Ann is an anti-semite, but she obviously hadn't really thought it out or spoken outside of an ivory tower on the subject.
Hey look: More anti-semetic crap from The Adams Apple That Walks Like A Woman. Why am I not surprised?
I'm sorry guys but if you "progressives" are going to run on that platform then you're going to lose a huge portion of your base. Do you have any clue how many African American and Hispanic liberals believe that Jesus Christ meant it when he said "I am the way and the truth and the life. NOONE gets to the father except through the son" Go ahead and proclaim that the "progressive" platform states that anyone who believes that Christianity is the true religion is a bigot and see how faat many of the people in your party flee.
Oh, and by the way, you might want to read the definition of bigotry sometime. Bigotry is the hatred of someone elses beliefs and a complete unacceptance of them. Calling the Christian God "your evil god," as one poster below did, is the very definition of bigotry.
I think you should be concerned about how fragile the relationship between fundies and conservative Jews is. I think that coalition has been more damaged than any other on the left.
This is rich. Normally, you have to go all the way out where the buses don't run to get this kind of commentary.
First of all, let me just express how amazing it is for Ms. Coulter for somehow stay in the book business, despite indications that most of her fanbase probably doesn't do a whole lot of reading. And also, great way to pitch the book! I thought she couldn't possibly top her hysterical and nonsensical 9/11 widdows comment, but she's done it! What do you do for an encore, Ann? Call Martin Luther King Jr. a n---er?
Speaking of the comment. I took special notice of the use of the phrase "perfecting the jews." It let's you know that she isn't just an anti-semite, she's a nazi. Note also that look she gives whenever she says these dumbass remarks. It's like a fist with eyeballs. I guess that's her "nailed it!" look. You certainly did, didn't you, you crazy banshee?
I would have thought that this woman would have been placed in some sort of home by now. You know, the kind where they don't let you grow your nails? But here's the kicker, she says what America's collective inner bigot wants to hear. This is what that meth belt between Los Angeles and New York thinks. The only difference is that most Americans don't say every stupid little thing they think, and they certainly don't put them down on paper and try to to sell them. I think Ann shhould consider getting a real job instead of sponging off hard working hicks like those welfare cheats you always hear neo-cons rant about.
Though I am a trifle confused. I hope that she's using an ironic title on her book. Republicans have had more power in this country in the last seven years than any other party has ever had and they screwed everything up; from foriegn policy to the enforcement of mining laws. The only real logical thing to do is to dismantle the party. But that's niether here nor there...
If you read this far, you probably have too much time on your hands and I suggest online gaming. Let me just depart with one more thing to say: If rabid, pious right-wing Christians think that they are better than the Jewish people, they should really start practicing from "their version" of the bible. Jesus did not believe in war and lynchings and he certainly believed in helping the sick.
Isn't it nice how MM bolds some part of the interview to make sure some readers will just IGNORE everything else ? Niether the interviewer or MM has any idea was Ann Coulter was talking about. I guess I need to leave breathing room so maybe some of you DO know she was saying. Why don't you take the NT and give it your wide minded liberal spin ? Oh, that was a hint
The evangelical movement has been played for suckers by Bushco and the right wing punditry. They use your religious fervor to enrich their bank accounts. Yes, do read the New Testament; Jesus railed against people like this. (as did the prophets)
Come on, you've got to love her, she's not being offensive she's just like you, only she's better! say the magic words and you too can be a perfect being in the eyes of the right. come on you know them....
I liked Coulter better when she went by the name of Puck on Real World San Francisco
I think she should be mercilessly ridiculed for bragging that the perfect world, and in fact heaven, will only have Republicans.
Oh and by the way, Coulter is lying per usual.
Falwell emphatically did NOT believe Jews were going to heaven:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=12741
Get ready folks, here come the resurection of the Crusades. First rid the world of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and thier ilk, andd then go after the religion of thier supposed savior Jesus Christ, Oh my Goodness...If they are up in heaven I could just imagine what they're saying..."That's not what I meant by "spread the word"." WOW the arrogance by the Evangelicals and Born Agains...It never ceases to amaze me. Vote Democrat or the Mega-churches she speaks at will Take a bigger rile in creating the PERFECT THEOCRACY...HILLARY "08"
Coulter is not altogether wrong, but since she is coming from a Christian mindset, she doesn't really know what she is saying. Christians ARE NOT completed Jews as they say. A completed Jew is one who BELIEVES in the suffering Messiah, who died for the sin of Israel, AND who FOLLOWS the Tenakh that is written on their hearts. The Christians believe in the suffering Messiah, but they don't follow the Tenakh, even though they think they do. If they did, they might be able to be called perfected Jews.
On the flipside, Jews, for the most part, don't believe in the suffering Messiah or follow Tenakh, even though they think they do, too. And following the Tenakh is not in knowing when to say, "Oy-veh," and eating RABBINICAL "kosher" dill pickles. Following the Tenakh isn't even in reciting the V'ahavtah in Hebrew. It is in LIVING THE V'AHAVTAH! But living it doesn't make us perfect, because we keep breaking it!!! That's why Jews NEED to be made perfect by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB OF G-D THAT TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF HIS PEOPLE! If you know anything about the Tenakh, you know that the only way a Jew can be forgiven is through shed blood. So, no hope of redemption since we have no temple, perhaps we haven't been able to rebuild the temple since 70 years after Yahoshua was crucified and have been scattered throughout the earth so we'll finally stop making excuses and get it? G-d gave Yahoshua (NOT PORK EATING, SABBATH BREAKING JESUS) to shed His blood for the sins of His people (Is 53). Christians shouldn't be talking to Jews about being perfected when they themselves are blinded.
Coulter is very beautiful and knowledgable over many things, but too quick to speak. If she did have the Tenakh (like she claims), she'd know that being quick to speak (especially about something so important) is not a good attribute. Unfortunately, I do it myself more often than I'd like to admit, but thankfully I'm not on national television and being played back OVER AND OVER AND OVER! Poor girl.
Fact is folks you don't know what happens when you die. Last time I checked GOD rules in heaven. To entertain discourse from anyone on this earth regarding decisions about who is going to heaven is presumptive and heretical. Those on this temporal plain that CLAIM to make judgment and decisions based on their own petty and transient beliefs are usurping and subverting GOD's authority. JESUS never said "love me", he said to love GOD. (as previously quoted above) AC obviously does not care about GOD's law or JESUS's teachings so why give her the satisfaction of debating her outrageous viewpoint? Perhaps she is one of those hypocritical types mentioned in the Bible the perverts the teaching of Christ and leads people astray. Reject her opining nonsensical sarcasm and SHUN her.
Just in time for Halloween, the Wicked Witch of the Right has something to say that is more of the same intellectual trash that only the conservatives agree upon. We need people like Ann Coulter to show the country and most of the free world what kind of people the Republican are.It make me laugh to think that she even held a bible in her hands without bursting into flame from all that evil inside her. NBC and Fox News Channel will always give a platform to whatever she has to say and sale to further the neocon agenda and enlighten the Right-wing base.
So what about the Jews who refuse to be perfected maybe she has a final soultion.
xvet
It is obvious from AC's statement, that she beleives in "replacement theology". That is why she beleives in "perfected" christians.
and tsitsit1
I hear that a flawless red heifer has again been born, and I know last year or the year before one of the LEADING religious leaders called for Jews to return, because the Messiah was coming soon.
hmmmm.
This is quite simple and has been growing for some years, 'Roads to Dominion' the Republican Revolution, et cetera. Coulter is expressing totalitariansim-America style. Evangelical Christian-politico which is no different than what happened in Germany pre WWII. The Nazi's used the German 'folk' culture and married it with religious language to create a totalitarian philosophy...Even her example of mixed racial marriages is internalized prejudice.
Coulter reveals that heaven on earth is one...One Christian belief, one political Republican belief, one American belief where all forms of dissent and diversity are removed. Megachurches are the epiphany of this thought. She adores authoritarianism through her belief of one law and a fast track to heaven because of beliefs.....how different is this from 72 virgins except culturally.
There high water mark was 2005 and the totalitarians and authoritarians are being dismantled piece by piece but they will still have to be held accountable and then wholly discredited, like Nazism or Fascism. Each day they become exposed...the more light the more illegitimacy.
I referred to this on another thread, but cmon, at this point, what's even the point of singling out Ann Coulter when the only thing that happens after she makes her outrageous statements is that she makes more money.
Nowadays, the hate-mongers that represent the right-wing of the GOP have no boundaries and no accountability. They take their cue from the very top of the party...George Bush...who never has to answer for anything and never apologizes for anything.
What I find most interesting is how Coulter can even reconcile herself as a Christian theologically. Maybe if one has the view that God is mean-spirited, cruel, judgemental, divisive and hard to differentiate from Satan. But I would think that a true Christian would need a shower after hearing her theological points-of-view.
Have you no shame, Mam?
Ann just wants her pet constituency (the Jewish) to sidle on over to her team. The rest of us, she just wants us to die in hellfire with boils all over her.
Listen up Jews! You are lucky. Ann is on your side.
You don't want that fiendish hellcat as an enemy. She is just looking out for you. The warm, padded, cuddly side of Ann. Her other side is sharp, pointy, and smells of brimstone.
Why do we have to state that all religions are equally valid?
This is not the aim of religious tolerance. THIS is:"To extend religious freedom to people of all religious traditions, even though you may well disagree with their beliefs and/or practices." http://www.religioustolerance.org/
And, I would add that unlike Islam, Christians aren't trying to convert people to Christianity by blowing them up and killing them.
May I respectfully remind you that Christians did so in the past (the Inquisition) and some still do so today (murder of physicians who perform abortions and bombing of womens clinics). You may wish to say that those people are not "real" Christians. I would submit to you that many Muslims would say the same about those who commit violence in the name of Allah. It is never wise to paint with such a wide brush.
Well, I think Mel Brooks is already perfect! If only Ann had talent she could write a funny book instead of relying on insults and dishonesty. What passes for humor on the right never ceases to amaze me.
Ann Coulter is an idiot, but has she insulted islam, this would have been no issue for America.
It's over for Ann. She's done the one thing you can't do in mainstream media, whether on the left or the right. Now that the ADL is on the case, Ann Coulter is the new Judith Reagan.
Here's the way I will protest the rise of Annism. Find a book store that sells her waste of cellulose, wander around and pick out several thousand dollars worth of those ginourmous picture books rich people like to leave laying around their houses, (like "Wild Horses of the West" ) walk up to the cashier, glance over at the display of Ann's latest output and say in a false and over dramatic voice something like "Well, I never, I will take my business else where if your store is going to display hate speech like that" (HBL, help me out here with the lack of wit ok?) Now, the key is leave the stack of books on the counter so a clerk will have to schlep them back. I believe if this happens a few thousand times it will make no difference what so ever at the corporate level, but the clerks will start to hate AC!!
What is appalling, I think, is the stunning ignorance of what constitutes the core tenants of biblical Christianity. What Ann is quoted is the essence of biblical Christianity. Christ died for all, and in Christ and Christ alone we are perfected and completed. Christ himself stated the 'I am they, the truth and the life, The only way to the Father is through me." John 14:6. pretty exclusionary, I'd think. The truth is that ALL world religions, (including humanism, the non-religion religion of the atheist) are mutually exclusive of each other and really cannot be reconciled to each other. all might be false, but all cannot be true, only one, only one, if any can be true!! grab a Bible and READ IT! without any preconceptions as to whether it is true or false in part or whole or inspired by God or man . . . just read it and let it speak for itself!!!!
I just want neo-cons to be lined up against a wall and shot, but I would never say that on national television. However, it is apparently OK for gender-bendered nazi psychos to say that they want Jews to be Christianized. America: What a country!
Nice try, but no thanks.
What the public sees here is an attempt on the part of mediamatters to 'perfect' dissent by punishing it with Rush Lymphbug and paid dissembler Coulter..who looks like she could have a colt of her own...<n'yuk..n'yuk..n'yuk'nyuk!)
Actions speak louder than worms.
All religions are based on the notion that "I am right, you are wrong" concerning God's preference of humans.
They all say "either believe what I believe or miss out on so and so".
So what Ann said is just archetypical of ALL RELIGIONS: arrogant, egocentric, and exclusionary...unless you change your mind and believe what I do.
Then it's WELCOME TO CLUB PERFECT AND CHOSEN!
Randy
One other thought:
Comments like Ann's ought to remind us it's no wonder the Romans fed Christians to the lions, which I am against.
Giving the lions indigestion is animal cruelty.
Randy
Ann Coulter is such a Bimbo. She's no more Christian than my un-declawed cat. Christ wasn't a bigot, but an unconventional Jewish rabbi who attracted quite a following and was crucified by the Romans who later adopted him. The rest is all mythology, like the Illiad and the Odyssy. Read John Shelby Spong's book, Jesus for the Non-Religious. He was an Episcopalian clergyman for 40 years and Bishop of Newark NJ for 25 years before retiring. He's studied the bible all his life and as a biblical expert, written quite a bit on both Old and New Testaments. He's lectured at Harvard, Princeton and around the country. I'd bet that he doesn't believe that God sent Jesus to die on a cross to put Ann Coulter on the fast track to salvation. People like Ann Coulter make a mockery of religion.
To me, Ann C. does not depict a good image of being a Christian. Christianity is about love and tolerance and spreading the good news about God'slove for mankind and Jesus sacrifice for all of us who accept him as someone who died for us. Christianity is about doing service on this world, being kind, compassionate, loving to our fellow man. Miss Coulter likes to sell her books and she does this by being Opinionated,Shocking and Judgemental. I am a Christain,and I am I believe a person that she would call on the LEFT or LIBERAL. All these categories in life only spreads hate, I believe. To be in the spot light you have to be very talented, doing great work or to be Outrageous. I think Ann C. is Outrageous and is perceived by many as a hater. I see her as a Thorn in my side, yet she gives me a good laugh on occassion when I am at my best with a good sense of humor. Fortunately for us, Ann C. does have the right to free speach even though she may stir the pot and cause hard feeling for too serious minded folks (which I can be often). peace to all.
I am not offended, since I am not surprised. The irritating thing is that Coulter seems so oblivious of the implications of her thinking.
If I had been there, I would have roared with laughter at such an idiotic, retro-fifties idea. All that money for her education, and this is the result.
She is some scary lady. BTW, whatever is she referring to with that conclusions that "You must obey"? Can anyone explain that to me?
10/13/2007 10:17:35 AM The Coulter Show, mediamattered network,Episode: The Scapegoat Standard Anglo-Christian dogma, so what? Let’s talk about what’s really going on here beyond the old universally applied ‘civilize the heathen’ routine. The ultra left-wing, republican red-army is known for the conniving tricks it plays, and as anyone knows, one of the essential tricks is posturing of a preemptory value, i.e. shilling, or luring a reaction, concocting a desired outcome, issue, outrage—whatever is needed to play the victim. Coulter is just plant and equipment for the ULWRRA. Remaining in a minority easily below 30% for so long has basically shaped the ULWRRA into something like a Simbianese Liberation Organization. They have these artfully applied commando operations planting disinformation everywhere, stocking fresh punch cards wherever they are in short supply, and actively recruiting internationally “shady characters” in order to compensate for their undeclared FBI striking, and to mount the paramilitary asymmetric war which in their febrile imaginations (Davis-Wilson, H.R. 861) is the road toward global subjugation on their terms. Which is sort of this same idea of ‘perfecting’ in itself. So it is a dumbzilla conceit Coulter is not alone in espousing, yet interestingly, the ULWRRA has used its women to be their cheerleaders for all such seditious anathema—proving what ‘girlymen’ they really are. Coulter is maneuvered into her latest installment on the fringe right wing ULWRRA website mediamatters.org, to practically the exclusion of all others beyond Limbaugh (for him it is just a daily appendage of his EIB Network), O’Riley and other talking heads, like they comprised the sum total of news information. She is to deploy something not too unflatteringly anti-Semitic, which she can get away with because she’s a loudmouth and supposedly some sort of icon of White arrogance. What this does is raise the banner for another symbiotic ethno-religious ‘play the victim’ non-sequitur.
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Individuals make poor moral and ethnical decisions, not whole groups, ethnicities or religions. Trying to use them for a scapegoat is no service to countless many who don’t need the spreading of sick individual liability. Otherwise we lack two things as a society, cultural relativity and equal protections under the laws; a makeshift favoritism dodge is connived in an effort to provide an across the board immunity for any crimes, any opinions, any b.s. attitude—such as sedition or the toppling of vested legitimate government authority (like the ‘unitary executive branch’ hoax slipped in by the monkey handlers of late). Take for example firing DA’s from the White House, because they are conducting impolitic criminal investigations; and what is the purest form of obstruction of justice. All of that was supposed to pass under the sacred cow Harriet Meyer before a public to be lulled into submission by her overt suggestion of being a Jew. Jews don’t need bad advertising like a Harriet Meyer. But republicans need and count on that same scapegoat teflon. Certainly Harriet's profile has been 'perfected', scrubbed you could say: http://www.nationalist.org/news/flashes/2005/102801.html Mediamatters.org has strained the limits of public credulity, has isolated the narrowest possible right wing exposure and its ideologue regurgitation instead of analyzing the news like a media group should; and has basically defrauded its tax free status’ covenants for appropriate and representative use of public funding under 501 c, 3. What else should you expect from the ULWRRA? It was always intended for more lucrative, tax-free exploit to funnel and mistakenly account the ripping off of America. Buying commercial web exposure from a 501 c,3 is a cheat and not a charitable contribution for the total, unconditional discretion of that not-for-profit’s disbursal. It can’t buy frivolous coverage and a permanent home to flood specious nuisance non-news media for distraction purposes only—or games of baiting race card riots, that is a Title 42 infraction, called a ‘hate crime’inducement. Better think on it a while before you whip it up, it is quite transparently contrived.