Medved fears Coulter may have created "some additional controversy" with assertion: "Jews believe that my savior, a Jew, was a raving lunatic"
On the October 15 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Medved hosted right-wing pundit Ann Coulter to discuss her October 8 assertion on CNBC's The Big Idea -- documented by Media Matters for America -- that "we" Christians "just want Jews to be perfected." Before airing a clip of Coulter's comments, Medved said: "[W]hat I wanted to do was to just get clear on the record here ... [n]ot only [on] what you said but what you meant. Here is the section of the original interview ... that started the process that got you into such heated controversy." During the subsequent discussion, Coulter asserted, "[A]s long as we're playing this new sport of 'he who is offended first wins,' if anyone's going to be offended by anyone else's religion, the Jews believe that my savior, a Jew, was a raving lunatic, and you don't see me sniffling and crying." In response, Medved said, "Be careful," adding, "I'm sure this is gonna come back. You don't really want to say -- because Jews do not -- traditional Jews do not really believe ... that Jesus was a raving lunatic." Before going to commercial break, Medved announced: "We're coming right back with Ann Coulter, who has, I don't know, maybe created some additional controversy -- I hope not."
Elsewhere in the interview, Coulter again elaborated on her October 8 comments, asserting: "[B]y the way, of course a Christian wants everyone to be a Christian. I assume all vegans think the world would be better if everyone were a vegan. And the global warming wackos would like everyone to believe in their crackpot global warming theory. And nonsmokers would like everyone not to smoke." Coulter also said of the controversy surrounding her statement: "This is just the irreligious against the religious." She made similar comments on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor later that evening, as Media Matters noted.
Later in the show, Coulter stated: "I'm sorry. I just can't take this seriously, Michael. I don't know when [Big Idea host] Donny Deutsch became the Al Sharpton of the Jews, but I don't think it's working." Medved replied, "Well, the problem here is that a lot of the major Jewish organizations" -- at which point Coulter interjected, "[a]re lying." She added: "But they attack me. ... [F]rom what I can tell, it's all the usual suspects. It's always the same thing. Actually, the only thing that is different here is usually I have told a joke. It is a satire. Here it is just a straight, plain, non-controversial statement of what all Christians believe. Of course, all Christians want everyone to be a Christian, like all feminists would like everyone to be a feminist, though it's maybe a little more important to us." She concluded, "And yes, of course, we accept the Old Testament, which is what I said. And as I say in my current book, if the things I say are so outrageous, why won't they quote me accurately? I am never quoted accurately and, once again, I'm not being quoted accurately here." Coulter did not offer any purported evidence of her "not being quoted accurately."
From the October 15 edition of Townhall Radio's The Michael Medved Show:
MEDVED: If we can go back to the original interchange with Donny Deutsch. And what I wanted to do was to just get clear on the record here. Some --
COULTER: Yeah, what I said as opposed to what they say I said.
MEDVED: Correct. Not only about what you said but what you meant. Here is the section of the original interview that got -- that started the process that got you into such heated controversy.
[begin audio clip]
COULTER: OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America, they --
DEUTSCH: Christian -- so we should be Christian? It would be better if we were all Christian?
COULTER: Yes.
DEUTSCH: We should all be Christian?
COULTER: Yes. Would you like to come to church with me, Donny?
DEUTSCH: So I should not be a Jew, I should be a Christian, and this would be a better place?
COULTER: Well, you could be a practicing Jew, but you're not.
[end audio clip]
MEDVED: All right. And then it went on from there. Will you acknowledge that, at the Republican Convention, in fact, not everybody was Christian, and nor would you want everybody to be Christian at the Republican Convention.
COULTER: Well, sure. I mean, that isn't -- I mean, they probably weren't all tolerant, either. They may not have all been happy.
MEDVED: Right.
COULTER: I could have said, you know, there were Texans and Oklahomans. This was a description of many of them there. The point he was trying to get at was that, an Ann Coulter world -- apart from politics -- would be cruel intolerance and vicious. So yes, that was one of the characteristics I brought up of what Ann Coulter's America would look like.
And by the way, of course a Christian wants everyone to be a Christian. I assume all vegans think the world would be better if everyone were a vegan. And the global warming wackos would like everyone to believe in their crackpot global warming theory. And nonsmokers would like everyone not to smoke. I don't even go around passing laws, like Michael Bloomberg.
MEDVED: All right, no -- are you picking on another Jewish target, Ann? Look, the problem --
COULTER: Yes, I'm launching my anti-Semitic program from New York City.
MEDVED: Right. The problem with all of this is that it appears that -- and this was very clear in the guest we had on right before you, this woman, [caller], who wants to challenge licenses -- FCC licenses -- for people who broadcast your words, is that there are a lot of people who seem to be unaware of what Christians call the Great Commission, of the idea that Christians, not out of hatred, but out of love, want to share their religious faith with other people. And what troubles me terribly is the tone in some of this commentary that suggests that the right to share your religious faith ought to be challenged if you happen to be a Christian.
COULTER: Yeah, well, I gotta say, this has moved way beyond the left's usual Christian panic syndrome. This is just the irreligious against the religious. I mean, you're too smart to even analyze this. This isn't even just Christianity. Like I say, don't vegans want everyone to be a vegan? I mean, this is people who have absolutely no familiarity with what the Old and New Testament are.
I didn't bring up Jews converting. I said, "Yeah, I want everyone to be Christians," and Donny Deutsch brought it up. And by the way, of all the religions out there in the world -- Islam, Druidism, Global Warming religion -- the only one Christians believe is true is Judaism. So, if he were a Druid and said, "Are you saying that means I have to give up my Druidism?" I would have said, "Yeah." If he were Al Gore and said, "Are you saying I have to give up the religion of global warming?" I would have said, "Yes."
But Judaism, as I explained -- Christians accept the Old Testament. Jews don't accept the New Testament, so, you know, as long as we're playing this new sport of "he who is offended first wins," if anyone's going to be offended by anyone else's religion, the Jews believe that my savior, a Jew, was a raving lunatic, and you don't see me sniffling and crying.
MEDVED: OK, be --
COULTER: Somehow we manage to get along without slitting one another's throats.
MEDVED: OK. Be careful, because I'm sure this is gonna come back. You don't really want to say -- because Jews do not -- traditional Jews do not really believe --
COULTER: Well --
MEDVED: -- that Jesus was a raving lunatic.
COULTER: I'm glad you don't mention it, but I think you have to.
MEDVED: OK, can we avoid getting into that particular argument, Ann, because -- no you don't.
COULTER: OK, except that my point is I'm not sniffling and crying. These are -- this is what the Old Testament and the New Testament are. You're the chosen people with, you know, Moses taking you out to the desert. We believe all that, all that. The Old Testament anticipates a Christ.
MEDVED: OK, we're coming --
COULTER: You say we --
MEDVED: Hold on. Hold on --
COULTER: -- got the wrong guy.
MEDVED: We're coming right back with Ann Coulter, who has, I don't know, maybe created some additional controversy -- I hope not -- on The Michael Medved Show.
[...]
MEDVED: Fifty-five minutes after the hour, just a few moments more with America's sweetheart, Ann Coulter. She has inspired a -- the usual controversy with some unusual twists.
Ann, before I have to let you go, can we just get a couple things very clear on the record? You do believe that Jewish people -- believing Jewish people, who believe Judaism, not Christianity -- have a place in America?
COULTER: Not only that, as I said, we think they go to heaven.
MEDVED: OK, and you believe --
COULTER: That's the curious thing here. This is the -- Christianity -- this is the one case where one religion can say to a practitioner of another religion, "We believe all of your religion." You can't say that to -- if you're a Christian -- to a Muslim. No, you would have to give up Islam. You can't say it to a Druid. No, you would have to give up Druidism. Christians accept the entire New Testament, as I said.
MEDVED: The Old Testament.
COULTER: The Old Testament.
MEDVED: Yeah.
COULTER: Right. And what is -- I mean, this is purely an attack of the irreligious on the religious, as I've told you. The Orthodox Jews are overwhelmingly supporting me. They know what's in the Old Testament and the New Testament.
MEDVED: OK, the point about this is you also believe, don't you, that the Republican Party will be vastly strengthened if more Jewish people feel at home in the Republican Party?
COULTER: Well, the very first point I made when I was asked about my ideal America was that I want everybody to be a Republican. That wasn't enough.
MEDVED: Right. And you also said that you want the Democrats to all be like Joe Lieberman, who's not noted to be a devout Christian.
COULTER: Yeah, that's going to hurt me with the anti-Semites.
MEDVED: I guess. You see, with this --
COULTER: I'm sorry. I just can't take this seriously, Michael. I don't know when Donny Deutsch became the Al Sharpton of the Jews, but I don't think it's working.
MEDVED: Well, the problem here is that a lot of the major Jewish organizations --
COULTER: Are lying. But they attack me -- I mean, it's -- from what I can tell, it's all the usual suspects. It's always the same thing. Actually, the only thing that is different here is usually I have told a joke. It is a satire. Here it is just a straight, plain, non-controversial statement of what all Christians believe. Of course, all Christians want everyone to be a Christian, like all feminists would like everyone to be a feminist, though it's maybe a little more important to us.
And yes, of course, we accept the Old Testament, which is what I said. And as I say in my current book, if the things I say are so outrageous, why won't they quote me accurately? I am never quoted accurately and, once again, I'm not being quoted accurately here.
MEDVED: And, I tell you, right in the interview itself, I noticed that -- listening to it a couple times -- you never said that Jews must be perfected. You said, "As Christians, we want Jews to be perfected." So, just a small, but very significant variation.
Ann Coulter, appreciate you coming on the show. Appreciate your getting some clarifications on the record. Not retreats, not apologies -- clarifications.
Uh-oh. I wonder how many evangelicals know that Jesus was a Jew? It should be common knowledge, but remember...we're talking about people who believe the Earth is 6,000 year old.
Not only that, but all the paintings of Jesus that they buy and hang in their homes leads you to believe Jesus was white.
But, like my dad always said, if you have to keep telling everyone you're a christian, you're probably not.
Jesus was a Jew?
Technically speaking, Jesus was a perfected Jew. ;>)
Funny. But not as good as this:
COULTER: Somehow we manage to get along without slitting one another's throats.
Hmm......let's see... the Crusades, Reformation, Counter-Reformation...that's quite a peace.
not to mention the The Spanish Inquisition, Pogroms, The Reconquista, The Troubles in Nth Ireland, The Thirty Year War, and Witch Trials
Don't forget the centuries of religious ghettoization and how that allowed the Holocaust to happen - while the Catholic Church most prominently (and others) turned a blind eye to what was going on.
I wish liberals were this blunt when it comes to Islam. I seem to recall their having some violence in their religion.
Maybe one day you will be "perfected" and join them.
I have criticized their religion and culture many times. For goodness sakes, they are even more conservative and backwards thinking than American Christian conservatives. I don't really like either group's politics.
I wish liberals were this blunt when it comes to Islam. I seem to recall their having some violence in their religion.
- danpontone2184 / Thursday October 18, 2007 12:32:37 AM EST
Dan, I don't feel nearly as threatened by Muslims who are 10,000 miles away as I do by Christians who are literally tapping my phones and peering into my bedroom windows. The insurgents in Iraq aren't in my governmentz, steelin my liburtiez. On the pretext, of course, thaf if I don't give up my rights I might be killed at any moment.
Reminds me of a quote by some guy about those who give up their liberties to attain security deserve neither.
no one expects the Spanish Inquisition
You might like to read mein own take on l'affaire Coulter....
According to Coulter's website, she's finally come clean: she has just been putting up a facade all these years:
"I've been participating in a charade for nearly eleven years, now. Quite frankly, I'm sick of it. You have all been a part of a sick joke that I began considering shortly after first getting on the air. At first, it was quite interesting to see how people would react when I would use twisted logic and poorly masked bigotry."
http://www.dlisted.com/node/16665
Too bad that it was simply a clever hacker who posted the letter on her website. If only it was true...
Ann Coulter is apparently intent on becoming irrelevant. She is marginalizing herself on an almost daily basis. It is kind of fun to see. At some point she has to be kept on the Fox reservation and not allowed to roam onto the other newsy networks.
"America's sweetheart, Ann Coulter" ???? Is that like Rudy is Americas mayor?
"America's sweetheart, Ann Coulter" ???? Is that like Rudy is Americas mayor?
I tend to think it's like Don Rickels being called "Mr. Warmth".
:-)
Oh, well in that case, I'm so relieved.
Here I thought that Coulter was saying that the people of one religion believe that those of another religion will not be perfect until they convert.
Silly me.
And as I say in my current book, if the things I say are so outrageous, why won't they quote me accurately? I am never quoted accurately and, once again, I'm not being quoted accurately here.
Gee, printing her exactly word for word is not accurate? Who ever knew?
Well not exactly--first it has to be translated from the language of Mordor...
And here I thought I destroyed the one ring that binds. Time to get started on that trek again.
As has been shown repeatedly acursed rings always come back.
If you can't get the original crew together, i've got some possible alternates on retainer.
Lets see, Frito, Pepsi, Moxie, and Spam for a group rate. With Arrowroot, son of Arrowshirt thrown in for free. He mopes and needs some fresh air.
Beware the Ballhog, Eweston.
Careful, you all are dating yourselves... "Hairy toes! I love hairy toes!"
And here Annie repeats her lie yet again:
"Not only that, as I said, we think [Jews] go to heaven."
Well no, most fundamentalist Christians most certainly do not believe that.
In fact, she told Donny Deutsch that Jerry Falwell believed that Jews go to heaven, when in fact he denied that in no uncertain terms:
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=12741
She really does think Jews are too stupid to look stuff up.
It's not just Jews. She banks on many people being too stupid to inform themselves.
Another total ignoramus. You obviously did not read your own refernce carefully, either that, or you have reading comprehension issues. This is what Falwell actually said:
"While I am a strong supporter of the State of Israel and dearly love the Jewish people and believe them to be the chosen people of God, I continue to stand on the foundational biblical principle that all people — Baptists, Methodists, Pentecostals, Jews, Muslims, etc. — must believe in the Lord Jesus Christ in order to enter heaven."
Clearly he believes that anyone is elligible to enter Heaven whether he was born a Jew, Muslim or whatever. The price of admission is the same for all: acceptance of Christ.
Now, about those Jews Falwell and Coulter were speaking of. There are a group of them who DO believe in Jesus. They are known as Messianic Jews. Very clearly, they conform to Rev. Falwell's understanding of whom God will admit to Heaven. I will generalize this to cover any Jew who believes Jesus was the promised Messiah, whether he identifies himeself as a Messianic Jew or not.
Some people are too stupid to understand the implications of what they look up.
I couldnt get past the first sentence since you are one of the most ignorant morons to ever post at this site. I just cant go pas YOU calling someone else an ignoramus. Your ignorance is monumental. Your capacity for stupidity is legendary. YOU are a moron. You are stupid. Coming in here telling someone else they are dumb is the height of irony. I point that out since clearly have no capacity for understanding anything so complicated. If you want to see the epitome of a moron go look in the mirror
The fun thing about your comment? You don't have a clue as to how offensive it is.
I have a thick skin, but as a Jew, you are what is called a Useful Idiot: you're helping Ms. Coulter to dig yet a bigger hole for herself.
So AFAIK, go ahead, and help dig away.
[W]hat I wanted to do was to just get clear on the record here ... [n]ot only [on] what you said but what you meant.
Ah, of course... they never really MEAN what they say. *wink, wink, nudge, nudge*
Getting old isn't it? This happens at both ends of the political spectrum, of course, but it's like an epidemic at the far-right funny farm.
"Not only that, as I said, we think they go to heaven."
Oh, really? I've never heard that from a Christian preacher. Of course, I haven't been to church in a looooooong time....maybe they've softened on this. It may also depend on which denomination. Some Christian sects believe that Catholics are going to Hell...so the Jews don't have a chance. Ask a member of the Church of God or Church of Christ if Jews are going to heaven...see what they say.
Uh, Ann, if you believe that Jews can go to heaven what's the point of converting them to Christianity? Isn't saving souls the purpose of conversion?
Reading this interview is surreal. Medved even tries to protect Coulter from her own stupidity with her "raving lunatic" remark. But then controversy is what she really wants and you can almost hear the wheels turning in Medved's head, "Hmmm, an Ann Coulter controversy on my show...not bad, not bad."
But above everything is Ann Coulter's stupid arrogance...this woman has no reason to feel superior to anyone.
"woman thou art loosed! Now get thee to FOX for there shalt thou find milk and whiskey.This is my covenant with thee."
xo
The Lord
Just milk and whiskey for Ann? No cigarettes or casual sex? BTW, what does the Bible say about lufas?
And on the fourth day god created the lufah, and said all is good.
On the fifth day, O'reilly defiled the lufah, and God said "Oops. My bad."
For the Lord God made the Falafel and said to the Talk Show Hosts, "Behold, I bestow upon thee the Falafel, with which you shall entice younger interns with the thought of rubbing food upon their bosoms." And it was good.
Irony,
Have you any proof of Coulter having a drinking problem or being promiscuous or even if she smokes?
If you don't, why are engaging in character assassination? Frankly, I find it difficult to take anything you write serious because of this.
http://smokingsides.com/asfs/C/Coulter.html
Good chance she smokes, but she hides it, I guess.
As for the drinking, I don't know anything about that.
I am a male, white, skinny, Liberal, Christian, and a huge hockey fan. I would hate a world where everyone else was male, white, skinny, Liberal, Christian, and a huge hockey fan.
I'm pretty happy with who I am and what I support/believe, and I definitely stand up for those things. But the beauty of this nation is the existence of differing interests and ideas. The world would suck if there were no Republicans.
Seriously.
Imagine Medved actually making some sense. I guess it depends upon the company you keep.
I guess someone should tell Ann that Muslims, Jews, and Christians are descended from Abraham and all worship the same God. Jesus is a prophet in the Quran. His birth and crucifixtion is mentioned in the Quran.
Also, Jesus was a LIBERAL!
I think the Prince of Peace is probably horrified by Annie, GWB, and the other right-wing nuts that claim his name yet do not follow his teachings and example.
Jesus was not a liberal. He was not a conservative. If you believe he was anything that could be labeled as something that would fit in American political discourse today, you're no Christian.
Fawlty, quit being so perfected. ;0)
I do like Medved's lame defense, almost as good as Rush's "MoveOn is responsible for everything" weasel.
Medved clears up Annie-Christ's statement by parsing that she never said Jews "must" be perfected, just that AC thinks they "should" be.
Hey Stoopid! I think yer stoopid, and should be more smarter like me!"
"What? I didn't say you must be, what's your problem?"
Uh oh, I quoted her inaccurately. Not that Jews should be perfected, she just wants them to be. I apologize.
"Hey Stoopid, I want you to be as smarter as me."
That's much better.The problem obviously isn't that AC thinks Jews aren't as good as she is, it's that she was misquoted as demanding that they improve themselves, when actually she only expressed her desire that they do so.
Jesus certainly wasn't a liberal. He wasn't a conservative either. He never mentioned what role the government should play in the economy. He said that we should help the poor, which is something that both conservatives and liberals believe. We just differ on how it should be done. Liberals want it to be done through huge government programs and conservatives want it to be done through charities and individual compassion. But Jesus certainly didn't say what role the government should have in helping the poor.
Hi rhino, does'nt this count as Jesus teaching about a Christians relationship with goverments?
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2022:21;&version=31;68;
"Render unto Ceasar ...."
Watch it. If you start showing that Jesus was a socialist, pinko commie and not a staunch individualist and capitalist, well...those are just fightin' words!!
(Sarcasm, for the conservatively disabled)
Are you kidding me? "Render unto Caesar" proves beyond any doubt that Jesus was a liberal?
That idea may be about as preposterous as saying "Render unto Caesar" proves beyond and doubt that Jesus was a conservative.
Secondly, I always find it interesting that those who are unfriendly to Christianity use Ann Coulter as a springboard to bash collectively everyone that believes in and tries to follow Jesus. I am a Christian and I think Ann is an embarrassment to the Christian faith. It is not my job as a Christian to apologize for her, but many use this fodder to make themselves feel better about not being Christian.
I see this left and right on so many posts - "I the open minded one know that my point of view is the perfect and right point of view, and will not consider contrary points of view; on the contrary, I will only consider evidence that supports my opinion."
The irony is that the very trait you loathe about Christians is exactly what you exhibit anyway, inability to change or consider things in a different light.
Are you kidding me? "Render unto Caesar" proves beyond any doubt that Jesus was a liberal?
That idea may be about as preposterous as saying "Render unto Caesar" proves beyond and doubt that Jesus was a conservative.
Secondly, I always find it interesting that those who are unfriendly to Christianity use Ann Coulter as a springboard to bash collectively everyone that believes in and tries to follow Jesus. I am a Christian and I think Ann is an embarrassment to the Christian faith. It is not my job as a Christian to apologize for her, but many use this fodder to make themselves feel better about not being Christian.
I see this left and right on so many posts - "I the open minded one know that my point of view is the perfect and right point of view, and will not consider contrary points of view; on the contrary, I will only consider evidence that supports my opinion."
The irony is that the very trait you loathe about Christians is exactly what you exhibit anyway, inability to change or consider things in a different light.
- masterdmjg
So, you think that Jesus and his group were pennyless? Get real, how do you think they fed the poor? How do you think they traveled? Caravans? or they just walked? No protection from theives, animals, etc. OH YEAH< JESUS PROTECTED THEM.....
As I recall, there was even one of the disciples that kept the purse strings.....gee....wonder who that could have been? NOT.
"He said that we should help the poor, which is something that both conservatives and liberals believe. We just differ on how it should be done."
That can be debated, but what can't be argued is that Jesus never called on us to provide for the wealthy at the expense of the have-nots. That's exactly what Republicans have been doing for decades, yet nary a word from the likes of you when they ask us to wait for the "trickle down" and eat the crumbs of the rich and when they cut programs that help the helpless so they can hand our money over to their wealthy, well-connected buddies.
Conservatives have shown time and time again that they don't really care what happens to their tax dollars as long as none of those lazy poor people get their hands on it. Otherwise, they'd be screaming about the massive fraud and waste happening in Iraq and the historically huge amounts of pork and favors handed out during those 6 years of Republican rule in Washington. And yet all I heard was crickets. Please explain.
What did Jesus mean when He told His followers to “make friends by the means of unrighteous mammon”? ( I bet our guberment knows the answer..lol)
Jesus did forcefully confront misuse of wealth and power
Jesus, had a home, large enough to house overnight guests (John 1:35-39). He had a donor base of people who "ministered to Him of their substance (Luke 8: 2-3)." He had a treasurer, Judas (John 12:6; 13:29), which would indicate that His ministry handled large sums of money. Jesus wore a seamless robe, which was a very costly garment (John 19: 23-24), so costly that the soldiers who were crucifying Him chose to gamble for it rather than to divide it between them, which was their usual custom.
The fact is that anyone can give lip service to the poor in order to further their own agendas (see John 12: 4-6). Virtually every dictatorship in history has risen to power by promising to be champions for the poor and oppressed.
many conservatives promote a very callous, cavalier attitude toward the poor by either ignoring or scoffing at poverty issues, conservatives, especially Christian conservatives, that should have been spearheading these issues all along.
It would do for most christians to refamilarize themselves with verses that teach....
Similarly, we are told that the poor are special objects of a loving God's care and compassion. However, even these were not unconditional. Activist and theologian George Grant points out that the Bible describes two classes of poor people: the oppressed, who are victims of poverty due to outward circumstance, and the sluggards, who are poor due to their own laziness and irresponsibility. Throughout the Bible, we see God repeatedly defending the cause of the oppressed, and calling on His people to do likewise. Jesus began His ministry by telling us that the oppressed poor were a primary focus of His concern: "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, To preach the acceptable year of the Lord" (Luke 4:18-19).
The sluggards, on the other hand, are a different story. As Grant points out: "Sluggards waste opportunities (Proverbs 6:9-10), bring poverty on themselves (Proverbs10:4)...and are unable to accomplish anything in life (Proverbs 15:19)...A sluggard is prideful and lustful (Proverbs 13:4)...wasteful (Proverbs 12:27)...and lazy (Proverbs 24:30-34)...Though he continually makes excuses for himself (Proverbs 22:13), his laziness will consume him (Proverbs 24:30-34), paralyze him (Proverbs 26:14), and leave him hungry (Proverbs 19:15)." (3) Strong words? Yes, but for a person in this category, help is all but impossible apart from genuine repentance before God and sincere desire to change. As Paul the Apostle solemnly commanded the church at Thessalonica: "If a man will not work, neither shall he eat (2 Thessalonians 3:10 )."
(seems most christians think poor people are "sluggards", hence their opposition to ANY government help for the poor)...plagerized from several different sources....
not even in the warm confines of the medved show can that sociopathic shrew keep her mouth shut.
the only semi observant jews that have supported her are medved and praeger...there isnt one orthodox org that has stated anything about her.
as for jews, observant or not saying that jesus was a raving lunatic, again, coulter proves that she loves to say things that have no basis in fact.
during the time of jesus, there were many messianic figures, many of whom are discussed in the talmud. none are noted as being lunatics.
and i would appreciate it if medved would tell his evangelical buds to share their "love" with someone else...they can leave me alone.
Again, we take the bait. Book sales must be slower than expected.
IGNORE THE IGNORAMUS! Why feed her ego and bank account?
coulter a christian. that church must be so proud. Jesus must be so proud.
I love her blithe assertion of Jesus as her "savior." Knowing JC as I do (from several listens of 'Jesus Christ, Superstar') I don't think he'd be willing to take on such a case of saving.
I find it odd that one thinks trumpeting one's ignorance about Jesus is somehow supposed to be witty. It sounds just the opposite to me.
I don't suppose claiming ignorance of Allah would cause you any pain, though, eh?
Iowadem,
The difference, since you seem to be purposefully ignorant, is that I am not making fun of Allah.
If I had made the same claims about Allah, I would have been raked over the coals by all the progressives here. What you don't realize is that this is an egregious example of religious bigotry.
But you guys don't even know it.
Dude, I was joking.
"All your followers are blind, Too much heaven on their minds It was beautiful but its all gone sour."
Ann Coulter, like any good wingnut, claims all her sorrows are the result of one thing: "I am not (was not) quoted accurately."
Of course, the opposite is true.
Far right wackos like Coulter, Limbaugh, etc. can not thrive when their nutty statements are subject to accurate re-presentation.
They depend on their ignorant rants being "truthiness dew" that evaporates shortly after it is uttered.
Otherwise, when you have a site like MM that accurately archives their maniacal rants, their ignorant diatribes are put into context; within that context they are revealed to possess the emotional & intellectual maturity of 10 year olds.
Dag,
There are none so blind that refuse to see. Yes she is quoted accurately. Unfortunately so many here have either little understanding of what she is talking about or they are purposefully ignorant of her meaning in order to spread vitriol.
After reading a few of these threads, I would guess the latter.
It seems strange that someone who writes and talks for a living needs you to explain her statements to all of us ignoramuses, but I guess you hang around here for all the joy you get helping us poor, ignorant chumps see the light, not to make excuses for hate spewing, attention-whores, right?
No. I think it is just you.
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Don't Islamic folk feel that their faith is the ultimate faith that all earlier ones led up to?
If Ann said something like that, it might be less controversial, because implying one is perfect, is implying another is imperfect.
But only if she did it without the eyerolling and hairflipping of a flippant 15 year old ditz.
My guess is that Muslims do indeed feel the same way as do Jews and most denominations in Christianity.
Actually it has been pointed out before that Jews don't care what religion you choose for yourself. They aren't out to make anyone else "perfect". Christians and Muslims feel it is their duty to save everybody from false religions that aren't their own.
I know many Christians who have expressed outrage that Muslims believe Jesus will return to convert the Christians into Muslims.
I guess I hadn't picked up on the Jewish thoughts regarding conversion to Judiasm.
I have not had your experience with other Christians feeling outrage over others expressing their faith.
Personally, I don't know why any Christians would feel outrage because of the views expressed by Muslims. I would think their by their understanding of their faith they would simply chalk it up to another faith having a different view in the same way as if they were talking about a different Christian denomination. I would expect they might vehemently disagree, but to take it as an insult seems to me to be the same thing that is expressed by many here regarding Coulter's comments. I think they are fulminating needlessly.
Personally, I don't know why any Christians would feel outrage because of the views expressed by Muslims. I would think their by their understanding of their faith they would simply chalk it up to another faith having a different view in the same way as if they were talking about a different Christian denomination. I would expect they might vehemently disagree, but to take it as an insult seems to me to be the same thing that is expressed by many here regarding Coulter's comments. I think they are fulminating needlessly.
- anotheramerican
Might be because Islamist think that a person must convert or be killed? Anyway, that is what I have heard and read.
Not so much an insult, but a protective rage, lol.
Besides, I think most religions are evil at the root. Christianity included.
I am with you Lorelei. To varying degrees, religions instill in their followers that they are duty bound to get others to convert. In history this has led to wars like the Crusades and Muslim agression across the Middle East, Africa and Parts of Europe. It has also led to the Inquisition, Missionaries telling the 3rd world that they are going to hell if they don't convert and my personal favorite, Mormons going to cemeteries and converting the dead. My god is better than your god is a common thread across most religions and it is part of what has turned me off of the whole thing.
Apparently this tidbit is making the rounds among people working in network news. On a recent private jet flight a rather tipsy Rupert Murdoch, owner of News Corporation and Fox News Channel, said this about his adopted homeland: "You know what U.S.A. stands for to me? Uneducated silly arseholes. I make billions every year pedaling rah-rah bollocks to the American public and I'm bloody happy to do it. If and when the pendulum swings the other way, I'll make billions more catering to them with a different kind of populist claptrap. Compared to doing business in China where they're very discerning, the States was like taking candy from a baby."
What Ann Coulter ignores about Jesus was that he was a radical, a revolutionary so-to-speak, who denounced the rich and the hypocritical religious leaders of his day for not caring about the poor or standing up for justice. Jesus didn't care if you believed he was the savior or not. He cared about how you treated people -- if you showed compassion to the poor, visited the imprisoned, clothed the naked, healed the sick gave water to thirsty...
You can read the Gospels over and over again and never find a single passage referring to perfecting the Jews .You won't find one. What you will find are countless passages telling people to treat others with compassion and justice. Those are the followers of Jesus, regardless of whether they call Jesus savior. The people who are condemned to hell are not people from other religions but rather are people who call Jesus savior or lord but don't do the things he commanded.
Chavez,
While I agree with you almost 100% about Jesus, (except the part about Jesus not caring if one believed in him.) I see nowhere that Ann is ignoring Jesus's teachings as you have stated.
Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" She said to Him, "Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world." John 11: 25-27Let me see if I can help AA.
It's the part about showing COMPASSION and helping the POOR and DOWNTRODDEN. The teachings of Jesus were meant to decry the capitalist tendencies (the moneychangers in the temple) and speak of being your brother's keeper. Ann claims to be a believer, but then speaks and acts the complete opposite of what he teaches in almost every way.
Iowadem,
Thanks for trying to be of help, However if you are referring to the moneychangers in the temple, it was not because the moneychangers were capitalists. Jesus's outrage was due to the fact they were selling animals in the temple to be sacrificed and this practice was endorsed by the religious leaders at the time. The practice is similar, but bloodier, to the granting of indulgences in exchange for money that Luther condemned.
Jesus's attack on the moneychangers was also an attack on the status-quo. The religious leaders in Jerusalem saw Jesus's actions as yet an another attack against them. Jesus was becoming so popular with the crowds that they felt their positions threatened. The Gospels tell us, that after this, they began their plotting to kill Jesus.
"You can read the Gospels over and over again and never find a single passage referring to perfecting the Jews." Matt. 5:48: 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. As I understand it, we are all imperfect humans, so I think this passage would refer to everyone, including Jews. Let's see....what else....by the way, you don't have to read over and over again too far to find these: Matt. 19:21: 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. Again, His emphasis is more on following Him than simply giving to the poor. Why? In order to become perfect. There are more, but you can read the Bible over and over and figure that out. Are you sure you're reading the right book? Strange that in a thread about misinformed rants by a loony woman, there are others who commit the same mistake.
Damm, I just figured it out, it's an epiphany, It's...... Tourettes! not the kind that most can control with medication but the kind that is slow to develop after being exposed to an ultra white and conservative community in Fairfield county, CT. Once exposed to this bigoted and anti -semetic lifestyle it's nearly impossible to enter a diverse society with out that affected speech that came from watching hours of Gilligans Island to perfecting Mrs. Thurston Howells accent. Coulter is a classic example of someone who has refused treament for this rare condition we on the lunatic medical fringe call, tourettisitis-bigotitis antisemititis. To bad the bush-man is trashing SCHIP. probably many many little coulters are being hatched every day with this condition and can't afford the healthcare because mom and dad need the money for the country club, Range Rovers payments and legal fees for the older kids.
Nice rant! :-)
However "...we on the lunatic medical fringe", says it all.
So heaven is just like the'04 GOP convention... complete with a choir made up of David Vitter, Mark Foley, Tom DeLay, Jeff Gannon, Randy Duke ( not David the other Republican ) Cunningham, Larry Craig, and a cast of thousands of lesser known hypocrites.
I liked seeing the various Jewish groups making statements condemning what Coulter said.
I think it would be instructive to remember which groups condemned her for her earlier comments about Muslims and how they should be converted.
I do hope that other people of faith condemned her for her outrageous comments about Muslims. I would expect Christians to complain as well as Jews. Why? Because as we have seen, after she suggested Muslims be converted she went on to suggest that another faith be "perfected".
It would have been nice for Christians to say, "Ms. Coulter, please do not suggest that you forcefully convert people to our faith." when she made her comment about Muslims.
Actually I would like some Christian groups to step up here now and comment about this, maybe issue a condemnation to show their connection to their Jewish friends and to distance themselves from her comments and her pre- medieval view of Christianity.
This woman is insane. Literally.
"[B]y the way, of course a Christian wants everyone to be a Christian. I assume all vegans think the world would be better if everyone were a vegan. And the global warming wackos would like everyone to believe in their crackpot global warming theory. And nonsmokers would like everyone not to smoke."
This is not true. Jews, for example, do not want everyone to be a Jew. The religion does not believe in proselytizing. Jews would be happy for everyone to be whatever they are, except the rest of the world won't let them just be. In fact, the bottom line is that Jews--or anyone else who does not accept Jesus as their personal savior--goes straight to hell.
In your opinion
Once again, Ann has you libs completely stumped and falling over yourselves. This interview is suppose to further strengthen your twisted side to this story ??
I dont see any libs stumped by her insane comments. We see it for what it is.
I do see you basically saying her hate speech is hunky dory with you.
There are conservatives who follow Christ's teachings and there are liberals who follow Christ teachings. To say one ideology fits Christ is wrong, because it is divisive and anyone who has read Jesus Christ's teaching, whether Christian or not, would have to admit Christ did not preach division amongst men and brethren. That being said Coulter's ambition, the media's ambition and the networks ambition is all driven by greed of money. Return to Caesar what is Caesar's and leave Jesus Christ out of your mouth if you are only going to use him to gain money.
How sad though not surprising that Medved becomes an apologist for Anne Coulter. Parsing words of "we want Jews to be perfected" from Jews need to be perfected by becoming Christian, is unaccpetable. It is the spirit and intent of her words at issue. My yetzer rah imagines that Medved would've fit in as a Kapo 60 years ago, but my yetzer tov is inclined to expose Coulter for what she's become..an insignigficant anti-semitic pundit. If Don Imus' words are unacceptable, so too is are Anne Coulter's. SHE IS SUCH A SEE-YOU-NEXT-TUESDAY!
Amazing... the "censors" here at MM have decided not to allow comments on the MOST HORRIBLE statements from a US Congressman from California spoken today on the House floor... MM's will allow days and days of idiotic comments about what a private citizen RUSH says, but not the HORRIFIC display from a US LIBERAL CONGRESSMAN... This is typical liberal bias and spin control...
We'll see if this gets past the "lib censors" and if they try to hide the truth fro meven moderate Democrates.
Your post is more typical conservative SNIVELING. WWAAHHHH cover what I WANT you to cover, WWAAAHHHH the representative said something I didnt like WWAAHHHHHH your mission statement is to cover the MEDIA but I want you to cover this WWWAAHHHH. A six year old girl would die of embarassment if she snivelled half as much as you do.
You Commie Libs want to talk about Ann Coulter and Rush... Look at one of your own, NOT just a "private citizen" speaking on TV or Radio, but on the Floor of the House today... You can HEAR and SEE this dispickable display at Rushlimbaugh.com ! I bet you folks here at MM will NOT condem this hate speach from a Congressman, but crucify Ann & Rush, you Commie Hypocrites !
STARK: They sure don't care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where you gonna get that money? You gonna tell us lies like you're telling us today? Is that how you're going to fund the war? You don't have money to fund the war or children, but you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we could get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement.RUSH: They have lost it. If there is any doubt, they have totally lost it. This is probably -- I don't know for sure, I'm going to speculate, since he brought children into this -- that this is some the debate, the speeches prior to the override vote on the SCHIP bill. Because he said, "You don't have money to fund the war or children, but you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people, if we can get enough kids to grow old enough..." meaning to hit 18, because they're going to die because we're not going to pass the SCHIP program, is the implication. "...for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement." Since he didn't single out any particular Republican by name, the remarks were not taken down. But he was talking about the Republicans -- you gotta play this again. I know you want to hear this again. Listen to it again.
STARK: They sure don't care about finding $200 billion to fight the illegal war in Iraq. Where you gonna get that money? You gonna tell us lies like you're telling us today? Is that how you're going to fund the war? You don't have money to fund the war or children, but you're going to spend it to blow up innocent people if we could get enough kids to grow old enough for you to send to Iraq to get their heads blown off for the president's amusement.
You IGNORANT MORONS, do not get to tell this site what to cover. You incredibly moronic cretins can keep whining piteously all you want you are ignorant and dont get to tell anyone what to do. Your stupidity is not a badge of honor. Have the decency to be embarassed to be so ignorant you moron.
Nice use of hate speach Salon, I am not telling you what to cover, I am simply pointing out how far your side is willing to go to hurt America... You do not address my points or Starks comments, rather you hurl insults. My use of the term Commies & Libs is a direct reflection od ACTIONS and STATMENTS you and others here at MM use. You are all for FREE SPEACH as long as it ONLY applies to your side, you are all for Communistic social programs to "take from the rich" and give to EVERYONE else, lies and distortions about SCHIPs and every other hand out... You do this and then have the nerve to pile on Coulter, Hanity, Rush and allow the real dangers like Stark, Reid, Polousi and Boxer to fan the flames of irrational hatred. You never commented on my statments or those of Stark, which you must agree with since you are defending his "right to say" such lies. Odd how he has a right to hate speach while Rush does not... I guess, as usual, the rules of civility only apply to Conservatives not Commies.
Hey Libs, does this sound like a Christian, or what Christ would want said ?
This is one of your wack jobs spouting this vile hatered !
THIS IS TYPICAL OF WHAT COMMIES BELIEVE AND FEEL ABOUT OUR TROOPS AND PRESIDENT !
This is beyond partisanship, beyond parties, this is HORRIBLE !
What LIB is calling for this bafoon to appoligize, where is a "letter" from Reid calling for this horrible man to be removed and silenced ?
Its fun to read such a moron melt down. No one cares what you think of Stark. Snivel somewhere else you ignorant cretin
Republicans that read this must wonder WHAT THE HELL KIND OF PEOPLE IN CALIFORNIA WOULD ELECT SUCH A PERSON, REMEMBER THIS PARTY IS THE SAAME GROUP THAT RUN THIS MEDIA MATTERS ! Who will call for an appology ? Will MM ? HELL NO, they all FEEL THIS WAY ! They all truly believe, no matter if you oppose this war or not, YOU ALL KNOW THIS DOES NOT AMUSE OUR PRESIDENT to see OUR soldiers killed and wounded...
I WOULD NOT EVER HAVE ACCUSED CLINTON NOR ANY DEMOCRATE PRESIDENT of such a thing, EVEN IF I dissagreed with thier policies...
This is FAR beyond the normal that we ALL should expect from Congress.
Just think folks, OUR OWN PEOPLE elected this ass ! These are the kinds of things that FIRE US CONSERVATIVES UP !
Thanks Libs
The stupid in your post hurts my head. YOU are a moron. The people in California are smarter than you are EVER going to be. Then again so are most rocks. Get over it.
I'm the idiot... You can't even admit the type of folks your side presents to America... But then again, it's plain that you SUPPORT such behavior and condone statments that are clearly above the scope of common beliefs. Name calling proves that I hit a nerve with you Libs, you can't stand the light of truth shown so clearly to all that will look ans be honest. When folks like this stupid Congressman speak it affirms why I used the phrase Lib Commies... Only they would support this kind of speach while condemming Coulter & Limbaugh. Unable to answer my points and using names at me proves that you HAVE NO RESPONCES, but yet I'm the idiot ? NOT... Continue to ignore staments from your side while pounding on the "right wing" will not get you any credibility, but of coures, that's not what your base wants to hear, they want MORE Congressment to say the same things and worse about America and this Administration.
The subject of this discussion is Ann Coulter, not Congressman Stark. If you fail to see that, mgarnett251924, you're even more ignorant than Solon thinks you are.
My dear mother past away a few months ago and she was very religious. She would always bring up God, Jesus, and the Holy Scripture in any given moment. And she would beg me to go to church right up to her last day. In Christianity, in order to enter into Heaven you must accept Jesus Christ as your savior and have Him and God in your heart.I believe as long you are a good person, and if there's a Heaven you're in. And that should be with every religion too. But Ann Coulter is just like a loony evangelist, twisting and distorting the meaning of Christ. She want people to listen to what wicked trash that come out of that hole she call a mouth. I guess she want to start some kind of holy war between the Christians and Jews. She's practically calling Jews stupid and saying you're either with us or against us. And she call herself a Christian. I've met Satanist with more compassion than her. She could never understand the Bible, Old Testament and New Testament because she doesn't have a good bone in her decaying body. She's heartless and mean spirited. Every time you look into her eyes you'll see nothing but hate and pure evil. And she's trying to talk about religion? This isn't some "straight, plain, non-controversial statement", it's a "joke". My mother is in Heaven and that is one place Ann Coulter will never be.
Very nice post, KookySpooky. I lost my mother nine years ago, and I still miss her every day. My deepest condolences to you and your family.
Ann Coulter is a raving lunatic
MGARNETT are you in support of this war?!? Just wondering because when the majority of the country was saying "let's fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here", when Ann Coulter was saying "we should drop daisy cutters throughout the Middle East", when Coulter was also saying "we should convert them all to Christianity", when Savage, O'Reilly, Limbaugh and any other warmongering Christian supported the war, some of us "loonie libs", which would include Senator Obama, were saying Saddam and Osama don't equate. Hind insight being 20/20 alot more conservatives agree. Check any poll. So switch to decaf. That Congressman has a right to his opinion just as Limbaugh has a right to his ignorance. You don't like it, start you own Media Doesn't Matter for America. Oh I forgot, Fox already has that covered. Holla!
Mgarnett:
Last Monday you wrote: "THANK YOU wacky Libs for pushing more and more that were on the fence to OUR side toward freedom and away from Gov involvment in the PRIVATE sector. A Congress with an 13% approval rating is now showing it's true colors and WILL cause a huge backlash against Dems. Again, I say Thank You Libs for helping us reclaim the House, Sen., and the WH in 2008 ! WTG and full speed ahead with your Commie silencing of the Media of any and all opposition when you can not compete in the open market. People WII and ARE seeing thru this farce. Republicans are about to strike back HARD. Watch the news later part of NEXT week as to our plan. We are about to blow the lid off this whole election cycle - mgarnett251924 / Monday October 8, 2007 07:52:04 PM EST"
It's now the later part of "NEXT week" and I must haven't noticed the bombshell that you said is going to blow the lid off this election cycle. What did we miss?
What an incredibly dumb post. Whoever wrote it must have been as drunk as Randi Rhodes on a typical Sunday afetrnoon.
What an incredibly dumb post. Whoever wrote it must have been as drunk as Randi Rhodes on a typical Sunday afternoon.
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