Cliff May on Sen. Clinton: "At least call her a Vaginal-American"
On the October 15 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, discussing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) presidential campaign with Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson and Cliff May, president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, host Tucker Carlson said: "Gene, this is an amazing statistic: 94 percent of women say they'd be more likely to vote if a woman were on the ballot. I think of all the times I voted for people just because they're male. You know? The ballot comes up, and I'm like, 'Wow. He's a dude. I think I'll vote for him. We've got similar genitalia. I'm -- he's getting my vote.' " After asserting that "the Clinton campaign says: 'Hillary isn't running as a woman,' " Carlson stated: "Well, that's actually completely false, considering the Hillary campaign -- and I get their emails -- relentlessly pushes the glass ceiling argument. 'You should vote for her because she's a woman.' They say that all the time." May responded: "At least call her a Vaginal-American."
Carlson replied: "Is that the new phrase? Boy, that's nasty. I don't think I can say that." Robinson interjected, "No, you don't say that," to which Carlson responded: "I shouldn't say that? I'm not going attempt it. No, no."
Carlson also asked: "Do you think that people who are voting on the basis of gender solidarity ought to be allowed to vote in a perfect world? Of course they shouldn't be allowed to vote on those grounds. That's like -- that's moronic. I'm sorry. I know I'm going to get bounced off the air for saying it, but that's true."
From the October 15 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:
CLINTON [video clip]: All these women in their 90s come to my events. And they come and they wait. Sometimes they're in walkers. Sometimes they're in wheelchairs, like a daughter or granddaughter bring them. And then when I'm going around shaking hands, they'll say something like, "I'm 95 years old and I was born before women could vote, and I want to live long enough to see a woman in the White House."
CARLSON: That was Hillary Clinton talking to women, the women who host ABC's The View and the millions of American women, presumably, who watch that show. According to polls, Mrs. Clinton has widespread appeal to female voters, and if you talk to her campaign, it's women who are going to carry her to the nomination and eventually the White House.
A memo from chief Clinton strategist Mark Penn says that 94 percent of women under the age of 35 said they are more likely to vote next November if a woman, Hillary, is on the ballot. Can that be? And how much would it matter were it true? Here to tell us, The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson and the president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, Cliff May.
Gene, this is an amazing statistic: 94 percent of women say they'd be more likely to vote if a woman were on the ballot. I think of all the times I voted for people just because they're male. You know? The ballot comes up, and I'm like, "Wow. He's a dude. I think I'll vote for him. We've got similar genitalia. I'm -- he's getting my vote."
ROBINSON: Look, you didn't have a choice all those times you were voting, right? You didn't have a choice of genitalia to vote for.
CARLSON: No, but when I do, I just -- I always vote the man. Because, I don't know -- come on.
ROBINSON: It's a -- when firsts happen, they are significant. They say something about the society and how far it's come and where it is. And, you know, not just that figure in that poll, but if you look at all the polls, really, that show her amazing strength among women. And you look at a state like South Carolina, my home state, where both in my paper, the Post, and in The New York Times, over the weekend there were stories about black women and how, in a sense, conflicted --
CARLSON: That's an interesting [unintelligible].
ROBINSON: -- they feel about Obama versus Hillary Clinton. Part of that -- not all of that, certainly, but part of it is -- you know, he's African-American. She's a woman.
CARLSON: Well, part of it is loyalty to the Clintons as -- specifically the Clintons, don't you think? It's not just the female.
ROBINSON: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I think --
[crosstalk]
MAY: Because if gender solidarity trumps all other interests, I think that's kind of sad. I don't think racial or religious solidarity should trump all interests, either.
CARLSON: Do you think that people who are voting on the basis of gender solidarity ought to be allowed to vote in a perfect world? Of course they shouldn't be allowed to vote on those grounds. That's like -- that's moronic. I'm sorry. I know I'm going to get bounced off the air for saying it, but that's true.
ROBINSON: That doesn't trump all other characteristics. There are a lot of women who are going to vote for Republicans in November because they're conservative.
CARLSON: I'm not saying women shouldn't vote for Hillary at all. I'm merely saying the obvious: that you shouldn't vote for her because she's a woman. Here's what the Clinton campaign says: "Hillary isn't running as a woman. As Hillary says, she's not running as a woman candidate. The only reason to vote for her is that you believe she's the most qualified to be president."
Well, that's actually completely false, considering the Hillary campaign -- and I get their emails -- relentlessly pushes the glass ceiling argument. "You should vote for her because she's a woman." They say that all the time. She just said that on The View. I mean, that's like their rationale.
MAY: At least call her a Vaginal-American, as opposed to --
CARLSON: Is that the new phrase?
MAY: I think that is, yeah.
CARLSON: Boy, that's nasty. I don't think I can say that.
ROBINSON: No, you don't say that.
CARLSON: I shouldn't say that? I'm not going attempt it. No, no.
[crosstalk]
ROBINSON: Look, it's kind of working, number one.
CARLSON: It's definitely working. It's definitely working.
ROBINSON: So this is effective. And number two --
CARLSON: So you don't think it's a little embarrassing, though?
ROBINSON: No, it's not embarrassing. There are a lot of --
CARLSON: I talked to two women today who I love and admire, who -- I work in their proximity, and they both said, "I'm embarrassed that women would vote just on the basis of her gender or that that would influence their vote."
ROBINSON: It wouldn't vote -- you know, we're talking about Democrats --
CARLSON: But how will she be a different president because she's a woman?
ROBINSON: -- first of all, who basically agree with her. Hmm?
CARLSON: I mean, here's what I don't understand. We need a woman. How is she going to be a different president because she's a woman? I just don't get that.
ROBINSON: I don't think she will be. But I think it will be significant if a woman is elected president of the United States, as it would be significant if an African-American were elected president of the United States. It's -- you know, for some people, it was significant, you know, when a Southerner is elected as opposed to a Northerner, when the first Catholic was elected president of the United States. It says something about the country and inclusiveness.
MAY: Did Maggie Thatcher have more women voting for her than men? I wonder.
ROBINSON: You know, I don't know the figure.
CARLSON: I suspect she had more men voting for her than women.
MAY: I suspect that's true.
CARLSON: She ran and governed as a man, I think, was the idea.
ROBINSON: Most of her elections, she probably -- she won pretty big, most of her elections. She probably did have [unintelligible].
MAY: She ran and governed based on her views and her determination and her mettle, and I think that's the way it's supposed to be.
ROBINSON: I once talked to Margaret Thatcher about John Major, and she thought he was kind of a wuss. She leaned close and said, "If only he were a man."
[laughter]
CARLSON: She was a tougher dude than he ever was, no doubt about it.
Here's an interesting poll -- this is from your paper, Mr. Robinson, Washington Post/ABC News poll. Republicans are asked who best reflects the core values of their party. Guess who wins, Cliff.
Well, the penis crowd has sure made a mess of it in general, I'm all for the Vaginal Americans to take a shot at governing.
Seriously... Besides, in a 'perfect world' Tucker Carlson wouldn't have his own show.
So let's get this straight.
People who vote based on gender shouldn't be allowed to vote - in a perfect world. Huh?
How about people who vote based on race, gender, and religion? They shouldn't be allowed to vote?
I guess that would have to go for them who vote for white male christians too. They shouldn't be allowed to vote either. Sheez, Louize!
MSNBC has low standards. What other network would hire Dan Abrams, Chris Matthews, or Media Matters myrmidon Kieth Olbermann?
There is no such person as Kieth Olbermann.
MMFA has low standards or they wouldnt let a moron like YOU post here.
Pot meet....
I think of all the times I voted for people just because they're male. You know? The ballot comes up, and I'm like, 'Wow. He's a dude. I think I'll vote for him. We've got similar genitalia. I'm -- he's getting my vote.
Well, here's the thing, men have never had to consider that before. That's why they instead concentrated on important things like is he Catholic, or white...
Snoopy,
Your post is sexist and includes religious bigotry.
Aren't you proud?
Zoop...right over your head. You really aren't too bright, are you?
I don't think anyone needs the website's mission statement for this one. Its not exactly Conservative misinformation but are these guys kidding?
Sadly, this is just the beginning. It looks as though the strategy for Republicans is to go after Hillary with all guns blazing, even Rudy is going after her instead of his Republican opponents - unusual during primary season when she isn't even the nominee yet.
Beating up on her, and ratcheting up the rightwing base's hatred of her, is their best chance to hang on to the WH. Yeech. If that's all they've got, they are a pathetic bunch of candidates and deserve nothing come election day.
"unusual during primary season when she isn't even the nominee yet."
But not unheard of when the name "Clinton" sends so many Republican voters into a frothing frenzy. Make fun of Mitt's hair? Eh. A tick on the popularity meter. Mimick Hillary's cackle? Campaign gold.
Tommy,
Pointing out sexist pandering for female votes by Hillary is a legitimate campaign issue. I'm surprised you don't see that.
Um......Cliff May is a journalist? reporter?
Cliff, dude, crawl back under that rock you came out from!
Not only does what you said make absolutely no sense, it was as pathetic as a middle school boy pushing a girl down to say that he likes her....
I think this clown used to be a radio host in Denver several years ago (at least his name sounds familiar). He was on the Dan Abrams show tonight defending the war in Iraq and saying how great everything is going. He was asserting that 'the debate has changed'...I guess if you are a reich-wing nutjob that keeps saying that the debate has changed over and over, then you will start to believe it. Much like repeating a lie over and over will make it (appear to be) true.
I'm curious to see the e-mails Carlson speaks of where they "relentlessly [push] the glass ceiling argument. 'You should vote for her because she's a woman.'"
Maybe I'll sign up to see what he's talking about. In the mean time, I'll simply wonder why the message in her speeches does not match those of the e-mails that Tucker gets from Clinton's campaign. I guess she's in a constant state of flip-flop that happens somewhere between the campaign bus and her outbox:
"I am obviously very proud to be a woman, but I'm not asking you to vote for me because I'm a woman, I'm asking you to vote for me because I believe I am the most qualified, experienced candidate." Feb 2007
"I'm proud to be running to be the first woman president, but I'm not running because I'm a woman. I'm running because I think I'm the best qualified and experienced to hit the ground running and get the job done." Aug 2007
"Obviously, as you can tell, I'm a woman and I'm a Mom but I'm running because I believe I'm the best qualified person to be president in January 2009." Jan 2007
"I'm not running because I'm a woman, I'm running because I think I'm the best qualified and experienced person who can do the job" Aug 2007
Hey PETE, thanks for showing DAVE why this IS right-wing mis-information.
Oh, and TUCKER doesn't think women should be able to vote if their intent is to vote strictly on that basis. OK, then anti-abortionist should not be able to vote strictly on the abortion issue, and bigots should not be allowed to vote if they are only voting against Obama. Mormons should not be allowed to vote for Romney, poor people must disavow John Edwards, and drag queens should not be allowed to vote for Julie-Annie. Fair enough? Oh, and who will be making the determinations, Ann Coulter?
I am obviously very proud to be a woman, but I'm not asking you to vote for me because I'm a woman, I'm asking you to vote for me because I believe I am the most qualified, experienced woman candidate. But if you want to vote for me anyway, because I am a woman, as I constantly remind you, that's cool, too.
This is more like anatomy class, not R misinformation.
You're proving PETE's point, that Hillary herself has urged women to vote for her based on her qualifications, not her gender. The righties are suggesting otherwise.
If that's the case, why does SHE keep mentioning over and over that SHE is a WOMAN?
Like that is even relevant. Would you forget she is a woman if she stops mentioning it?
Pete,
I posted this on a related thread yesterday. It seem appropriate here too.
Does anyone think that Hillary isn't pandering to women because of her sex?
If so, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell ya.
(from today's BaltimoreSun.com "The Swamp"...
Later in the day at a New York luncheon Clinton said some people had asked in 2000 whether New York was ready to elect a woman senator. “I propose we give them the same answer we did in New York, and that this time next year we prove that America is indeed ready for a woman president.”
In fact, according to a Boston Globe story, Clinton's staff is counting on women to push her over the top both in the primary elections and in the general election.
I'm curious as to why he receives their e-mails in the first place. Is he on some sort of Hilary mailing list?
I'd guess campaign literature gets distributed aswidely as possible. News orgs, check, faux news orgs, ah what the heck, check.
He'd be stupid not to be. Journalists (not that Tucker IS one, mind you) need to be on the pulse of every campaign, unless they're only specializing in one. That means signing up for the newsletters for each major candidate and actually paying attention to what they have to say.
"Do you think that people who are voting on the basis of gender solidarity ought to be allowed to vote in a perfect world?"
Tucker, they should all be converted to Christianity and become perfected Republicans. Jeez....
According to my right wing cross cube office mate, only landowners should be allowed to vote.
that should be "white, male, landowners".
Ciiff: "Hey, Tuck, what's the matter?" Tucker:"I'm going to vote for him because--hey! He's a dude!" "But--then I loook at the other guy, and--whoa! He's a dude, too!" "Whattodowhattodowhattodo--think! I gotta Think! Cliff: "Gee, that's a toughie! One of them isn't black--?" Tucker: "No! And they're both wearing suits!" Cliff: "NOOOOO!!!..."
Stay tuned for the next episode of: Dude, Where's my Carlson?
(Starring Nick Cassavettes as Mitt Romney, Giovanni Ribisi as Rudy Giuliani, Rip Torn as John McCain, Denzel Washington as Barack Obama, Hugh Jackman as John Edwards, Tina Fey as Hillary Clinton, and Professor Irwin Corey as Ron Paul!)
CARLSON: I know I'm going to get bounced off the air....
We can only dream.
Wow, that's all I got. How can you expound on that stupidity?
I have to wonder if this is the new way the right came up with to just call Hillary a c*nt?
Funny that someone on the left would think in those terms. (It's called projection.)
Two observations:
1) The # of people who will actually vote for Clinton *because* she is a woman is probably about 1/10th or less of the number who would *not* vote for ANY woman because of her gender, whether they admit it to pollsters or not. Otherwise we would have had many more viable female candidates before now. Why these guys aren't getting as worked up over that type of bigotry is, well, strange.
2) Having an all-male panel discuss this topic makes as much sense as having a group of white people discuss race issues.
I see you cite an irrefutable source for your statistics. Great Liberal Logic! :-)
I guess that makes Cliff May a Penile-American.
Actually, I think they prefer to be called Dick-Americans.
; )
Can we at least call Cliff May a brain dead American?
The May remark is disgusting...my wife was outraged by that fool's oafish remark. And Carlson is a lightweight who ought not have the show he has. He spends most of his time worried about Hillary.
Conspicuously lacking from the dialogue was any mention of people -- both male and female -- who would likely vote against Hillary because she's a woman.
I get the feeling Cliff May just got a little thrill from saying "vaginal".I can relate, i did the same thing once. Of course, I was in elementary school, just learned the word, and had no experience on the subject beyond that.
Get Cliff a girlfriend.
If Hillary were a progressive, i'd vote for her early & often. Unfortunately, she is a DINO, just like Bill.
Please,God, send us a real LIBERAL - Like 2007 years ago.
Thank you...
"A real Liberal - Like 2007 years ago"
You mean a man of peace?
Don't look now, but there is one, and he's running for President. If he looked more like Tom Seleck, I'm sure you would have heard of him by now.
He's the guy who stood up against the corrupt bankers, electric corporations and mob hits whan he was "Boy Mayor" of Cleveland, and he now represents the same district in Congress. And he still lives in the same house he bought for $19,000.
www.kucinich.us
There are many great things about Denis, but it should be pointed out that this man of peace has been lending legitimacy to the Democratic party by continue to affiliate himself with it despite its repeated refusal to protect citizens' rights, oppose unjust and unwarranted wars, and prosecute those who are responsible for the chaos we find ourselves in now.
How many TIMES does Hillary Clinton say "I'm a woman" (followed by various qualifications after and/or before saying that), and thus, it is HILLARY CLINTON who is playing a "subliminal" speech game with listeners, such that anyone then attempting to criticize her gender politics is dismissed as many have done here, without any regard for what Hillary has said herself: told you she's a woman with nearly every statement she makes, drawing your attention to that fact, her fact, her gender politics if not preference/s, THEN she says "but" or "oh, well," or various other "anyway"s and THEN makes a generalists' roaming nonsense about various tasks she may or may not do or isn't likely to do or won't or will or whatever, ha, cackle here...
This is CLINTON COVERT SPEECH at it's very best. She TELLS anyone in ear or print-shot that she's a woman, then she tries to deflect your attention away from it (conman/conwoman tactic) as if she hasn't said it but she repeats it later (more con tactics) and THEN says you're not to take that into consideration (more con tactics) in the presentation she's about to make (more con tactics) but never does make (more con tactics). THEN she deflects criticism by engaging in either laughing or that "you know" expression and pats someone else or changes the subject (more and more con tactics).
How ANYone can be criticised for taking H. Clinton to task for her gender politics gaming is the issue, because she WANTS people to be grilled when and as they/we do. Yet, SHE introduces the issue and then criticizes any attention upon the issue afterward (more con tacts) because she's changed the subject (more con tactics) and anticipates no one noticed her slight-of-words. It's as if she uses speech the same way pickpockets use quick, slick fingers, and smiles at you all the while so you won't notice your pockets (and if you do notice, she'll adamently deny she was near them while she runs off -- changes the subject -- laughing).
And, early on the comments here someone chimes in with the "don't criticise her because she's a woman" tactic, another deflection method to try to make the critic the bad guy (or girl in this case, perhaps). It's HILLARY CLINTON who consistently and constantly reminds people she's "a woman" and then SAYS she's up for some task or job or another (fill in the blank here) but it's HER ISSUE.
So criticizing her on her issue, this gender politics, is accurate and timely and is reasonable and rational. It's NOT rational nor reasonable to criticize anyone for attempting to take this issue to task, instead, read through those quotes here in the comments made by Hillary Clinton and count the number of times and with what frequency (100% of her comments contain the line) she says "I'm a woman..."
She's playing her most adroit "lawyah" game with your heads and most here don't even notice. The Clintons are masters at one thing in politics and that is propaganda. They're gamers. More people should be holding them responsible for the "subliminal" work they do...
Subliminal???? OMG.
She tells us that she's a woman with nearly every statement she makes???? I cited FOUR quotes from what must be HUNDREDS of speeches and public appearances. I also cited how these statements are completely at odds with what Tucker claims are contained in her campaign e-mails.
"But", "oh well", "anyway", "you know" and laughing are indications of "Clinton Covert Speech". Do you have any idea how idiotic that sounds?
You heard it here first! Doctor Waldo has stumbled upon an amazing psychological discovery: Usage of the English language and expressions of amusement are now indicative of an evil, subliminal mind control technique.
'But', 'oh well', Have fun with your quackery of a diagnosis 'anyway'. <LOL>
The rest of us will listen to Clinton's ideas and plans for leading the nation and cleaning up Bush's disaster, along with those of the other candidates, then let our votes do the talking.
Gene, this is an amazing statistic: 94 percent of women say they'd be more likely to vote if a woman were on the ballot. I think of all the times I voted for people just because they're male. You know? The ballot comes up, and I'm like, "Wow. He's a dude. I think I'll vote for him. We've got similar genitalia. I'm -- he's getting my vote."
<humor/sarcasm>
If you had breasts grow at age 12, had to deal with crazy men cause you had breasts, had to deal with those breasts, crazy men and a monthly period that made you feel like crap for 2 weeks out of every month for 40 odd years, birth a 10lb kid through a hole the size of a pencil along with those breasts and that crazy monthly period, had to get a good job with your brains not those breasts, caring for that 10lb kid, crazy men and that monthly period you would have respect for Hillary. Tucker get a clue, having a penis may be a big deal for you and maybe important to you but try replacing that penis with breasts, monthly period, child birth all while dealing with those that ONLY have a penis. As a woman, she gets my respect!
<humor/sarcasm>
Pearlene, thanks for the laugh. That was priceless.
The fact there are misogynists on a national political gab show doesn't surprise me at all. The most amazing thing to me is the discussion about Thatcher. Its obvious that these three national media megabucks earning political expert college educated idiots don't realize that she was leader in a parliamentary government. In fact she never won a national election. They don't do that in the UK. Never have, never will... What a pathetic country we have become....
and further more....
CARLSON: I suspect she had more men voting for her than women.
MAY: I suspect that's true.
CARLSON: She ran and governed as a man, I think, was the idea.
......they then attribute maleness/or a penis to her as if her being a woman was the most useless thing. Even when a woman is in a position of authority, men tend to denigrate the femaleness of her.
Sick fks, course I expected it of tucker.
The translation of that comment, of course, is: She governed competently. Therefore, she governed as a man governs.
Women cannot possibly govern as a woman and do so properly, you see. You'd end up with everyone on welfare and coddled by the government while candy rains from the skies.
Yeah, in a perfect world...
People would vote on the policy issues only.
In that world Dennis Kucinich would be the runaway winner.
In a perfect world.
I'm just saying...
I am constantly baffled by some of the analogies made by Tucker - but this one is just ludicrous. To be amazed at the posibility of gender-based voting shows how narrow-minded this fool really is.
HEY TUCKER - Two things that even the most feeble-minded person might consider before spouting off on this subject and making themself sound like a fool... 1. Women have NOT been in control of power in this country since it's inception - so women just might look at it a little differently than you. As usual, your analogy is comparing apples to oranges. 2. What about the thousands of voters who vote for a candidate soley on the premise that he/she is pro-life, the same religion, or even the same race? Nothing "moronic" about this - You are OK with that though, right???
Most disagreements that I have with conservative friends usually lies in their unwillingness to put themselves in someone elses shoes or accept that not everyone thinks like they do. Tucker is the perfect example - He simply "doesn't get it" because he can't even phantom the possibility of thinking outside of his dice-sized box.
"Men" (quotes intentional) like Tucker are the reason "men jokes" have taken over for "stupid blonde" jokes. Please shut your mouth and stop embarrassing my gender.
Tucker may have some grand preppie education and think that he knows it all, but I guarantee you his best subjects where NEVER any that had to do with logic.
Congratulations! Good campaign tactic. Alginate the majority of voters.
"Vaginal-American"sStay the course. Victory is just one slander away.
Alginate the majority of voters.
You use the word "alginate."
"I do not believe that word means what you think it does." --Inigo Montoya
Penis American in his own words.....
CARLSON: I do. I always vote the man.
It seems to me that this is not only a dig at Clinton personally for her physiological makeup, but also at anyone who prefers hyphenated monikers to describe themselves, the most prominent of which is obviously the term "African-American."
Almost as ridiculous as these guys' take on gender politics is Tucker talking about elections in a perfect world. Tucker, your dim-bulb boy got to steal the last two elections. What more do you want? Those of us who have a clue and actually care about this country just want a presidential election where they actually leave all the qualified people on the voter rolls and then count all the votes.
Oh, those ridiculous little FOOLS. Tell you what, Mr. Carlson and Mr. May: You stop treating me like I'm a member of a different species on account of I'm a "Vaginal-American," and I'll never EVER consider voting for someone on the basis of their gender. But as long as I'm "other" and "lesser than men" and all that? Go to hell.
That did it. I wasn't going to make this into a gender issue, myself, but there's just something about being told I shouldn't be allowed to vote that just kinda... pisses me off.
Foundation for the Defense of Democracies
I need to start one of these "foundations". I'll just become a right-wing smear artist and I bet the donations would roll in.
I need a good name though...this one is one of the best I've heard.
Wait minute. At the beginning they're saying it makes no sense to vote for a woman because she's a woman. Presumably you would do that because you expect a woman to bring a certain viewpoint and skillset that is different from a man's, but you're a fool if you do that.
Then at the end they're saying it made sense to vote for Margaret Thatcher because you expected her to govern LIKE A MAN. As though a man brings a certain, non-womanly viewpoint and skillset. In the anomalous Margaret Thatcher you got a MAN in a female body.
So they approve of using gender stereotypes as a basis for choosing a candidate. You're just not allowed to vote for the candidate with the stereotypical "womanly" qualities, whether it's a man or a woman. After all, you don't want to elect a non-manly "wuss" who might stop and think before telling terrorists to "Bring it on!"
There a lot better than the jokers Fox news hired like Brit Hume, Bill O'Reily, Hannity all are complete idiots.
Now that Cliff May has been heard from, we know what the opinions of the Douchebaggian-Americans are.
Excuse me? Douche bag? Are you insulting women here? As only women douche, I don't see it any other way.
This is rich coming for a crowd that consistently votes for the man they assume possesses the biggest testicles.
I find it interesting noone has a problem with conservatives destroying her character because she is a woman; her "screechy voice" her being referred to as a "bitch" now she's a vaginal American. Amazing. She has every right to use her womanhood as a voting tool if George W. was allowed to run under the guise of the Male Christian Cowboy, who would protect America from the Evil Empire. Add to that the decades of political and social blocks that have prevented minorities of all races from being apart of our political process, such as the KKK, gerrymandering, bogus recounts in Florida. When I read posts by Another so-called American and other conservatives on this message board it's really depressing for our future as a united country.