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Fox & Friends' Doocy falsely claimed that Media Matters "never, ever touch anybody on MSNBC. They never mention anybody on CNN"

October 16, 2007 7:03 pm ET

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On the October 16 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, during an interview with nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh, co-host Steve Doocy asserted that Media Matters for America "only takes shots at guys like you, at Fox News. They never, ever touch anybody on MSNBC. They never mention anybody on CNN." In response, Limbaugh asserted: "Well, they do, though, sometimes just for cover. They will rip a Democrat or a liberal media person if they attack [Sen.] Hillary [Rodham Clinton (D-NY)]." In fact, Media Matters has identified conservative misinformation from a broad cross section of media, including numerous instances on CNN and MSNBC concerning a wide variety of topics and people.

Indeed, Media Matters selected MSNBC host Chris Matthews as its 2005 Misinformer of the Year, citing an extensive number of comments, only a few of which had to do with Clinton.

Doocy began the interview by asserting that "Senate Democrats wrote Rush a letter to get him thrown off the air. They wrote it to his boss at Clear Channel." Doocy was referring to a September 28 letter to Clear Channel CEO Mark P. Mays, signed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and 40 other Democratic senators in response to Limbaugh's September 26 comments in which he characterized service members who advocate U.S. withdrawal from Iraq as "phony soldiers." In fact, the letter did not ask Mays to have Limbaugh "thrown off the air," but rather called on Mays to "publicly repudiate these comments that call into question their service and sacrifice and to ask Mr. Limbaugh to apologize for his comments."

In addition, following Limbaugh's assertion that "I don't think in modern American history there's ever been something like this happen where the Senate has gone after a private citizen and asked his partner in broadcasting to shut him up, censor him, apologize [sic] him, spank him, or what have you," co-host Brian Kilmeade said, "But what Democrats are saying, and you know this better than anybody, they're saying, well that's what you get, Republicans, for going after MoveOn.org." On September 20, the Senate passed a nonbinding amendment sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) that "repudiate[s] the unwarranted personal attack on General [David] Petraeus by the liberal activist group Moveon.org," after the group published a September 10 ad in The New York Times, titled "General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" Similarly, on September 26, the House of Representatives passed a motion by Rep. Jerry Lewis' (R-CA) to add an amendment that "condemn[ed] in the strongest possible terms the personal attacks made by the advocacy group MoveOn.org impugning the integrity and professionalism of General David H. Petraeus" to a funding bill. In his response, Limbaugh asserted:

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know, here's the -- this is the thing that everybody's missing about this. The Democrats are saying this is tit for tat, "Look, you did this to MoveOn, you made us censure MoveOn. So we're going to make Limbaugh get censured." The problem is, I didn't do anything here. I was minding my own business. I said what I said on the radio. The same group of people, Media Matters, MoveOn.org -- it's the same George Soros-Hillary Clinton organization -- did both things. They did the MoveOn.org ad and they did the smear of me. I am the record. They twisted what I said, on purpose, out of context.

In fact, philanthropist George Soros has never given money to Media Matters, either directly or through another organization, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively demonstrated. Moreover, Media Matters is an independent, progressive organization and is not affiliated with any candidate or political party.

Later in the interview, referring to the media reaction following his "phony soldiers" comment, Limbaugh asserted that the media "take their lead from Media Matters, so whatever Media Matters says I said is what they think happened." He continued: "You know, during this whole thing, Steve, nobody from the drive-bys called me to ask me, 'Did you release statements?' They just ran with it because they're all on the same playing field, they're all on the same side of the aisle." In fact, at least two journalists reported that they had attempted to contact Limbaugh for comment on the story and that he had not responded. An October 4 Los Angeles Times article noted that Limbaugh "did not respond to e-mails and a faxed request for an interview." As the blog Think Progress noted, during coverage of the controversy on the October 3 edition of MSNBC Live, MSNBC correspondent Monica Novotny reported, "And of course, we want you to know that we did invite Rush Limbaugh on to respond to this story. He has not responded to our calls."

Further, while Limbaugh claimed that "[y]ou come to my website. You can hear what I say. Read what I said," Media Matters has documented that on September 28, two days after his original "phony soldiers" comments, Limbaugh aired on his radio show spliced audio of his original remarks while calling it "the entire transcript" of the segment. Media Matters also documented that the transcript (subscription required) of the first segment of the first hour of his September 28 broadcast posted on Limbaugh's website, which Limbaugh described as being the "Anatomy of a Smear," was also selectively edited and did not provide any notation or ellipsis to indicate that the audio clip of the September 26 broadcast that he aired on September 28 had in fact been edited.

Finally, despite having Limbaugh on the October 16 edition of the show, Fox & Friends did not air his original September 26 "phony soldiers" comment, nor did any of the anchors read his comments during the segment.

From the October 16 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: Now is that why Rush Limbaugh is in New York, to see the Wiggles?

GRETCHEN CARLSON (co-host): He is one of the Wiggles there, I see him.

DOOCY: Actually Rush Limbaugh is, right this second, is in one of those buildings behind the Wiggles by about a block. Why? To talk to us. Here's the story. Senate Democrats wrote Rush a letter to get him thrown off the air. They wrote it to his boss at Clear Channel. Well now Rush Limbaugh is auctioning off that very letter to raise money for our troops. Joining us now on the phone, talk radio legend Rush Limbaugh. Good morning to you, sir.

LIMBAUGH: Hey, hey, hey, Steve. How are you? It's such an honor to follow the Wiggles or whatever they are.

DOOCY: The Wiggles, that's right. OK, so you're -- right now you're auctioning it off on eBay. The bid is $50,300 with three days to go. What is the historical significance, Rush Limbaugh, of this letter that Harry Reid and company wrote you?

LIMBAUGH: Well, there's two things. First, it's an abuse of power. I mean, here you have Harry Reid on the floor of the Senate denouncing me for 10 minutes, reading this letter, then asking his Democrat buddies to sign it, of which 40 did. And, you know, that's a failure, he didn't even get them all to sign. No Republicans did. But they did this during work hours. And this is the smear of a private citizen by this greatest deliberative body in the world based on a total lie that they have to know is a lie. And so, for that reason it's historic. I mean, my parents would not believe this. I wish they could know what all is happening to their son and what their son is causing. You know, the thing about this, most people I think, cower in this kind of situation, and I'm trying to laugh at it and make fun of them and fight back, which is probably putting a bigger target on my back as far as these people are concerned. But this is, this is just something that you can't ignore. Most of the time you ignore these kinds of things but you can't this, because this is -- this is unique. I don't think in modern American history there's ever been something like this happen where the Senate has gone after a private citizen and asked his partner in broadcasting to shut him up, censor him, apologize [sic] him, spank him or what have you.

KILMEADE: But what Democrats are saying, and you know this better than anybody, they're saying, well that's what you get, Republicans, for going after MoveOn.org.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know, here's the -- this is the thing that everybody's missing about this. The Democrats are saying this is tit for tat, "Look, you guys did this to MoveOn, you made us censure MoveOn. So we're going to make Limbaugh get censured." The problem is, I didn't do anything here. I was minding my own business. I said what I said on the radio. The same group of people, Media Matters, MoveOn.org -- it's the same George Soros-Hillary Clinton organization -- did both things. They did the MoveOn.org ad and they did the smear of me. I am the record. They twisted what I said, on purpose, out of context. In order, I think to deflect the Petraeus ad because it totally backfired on them. The country ended up loving Petraeus, the surge is working, MoveOn had to pay the full bill at The New York Times, it totally backfired. They had to deflect that, and so they came at me. But they created both of these. There can't be any tit for tat, because they are responsible for both these episodes.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: So it's gonna be -- and this is all part of the '08 race. Right now the Democrats are running against me because I have a connection with a large percentage of the American people who think and are open-minded. And the Republicans haven't chosen a nominee yet, so right now, they are coming after me. And this -- it's like a badge of honor.

DOOCY: Well Rush, you're not alone. They came after O'Reilly. They took some of his comments out of context. And look at Media Matters, what they did to Imus.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah, well, that's a little -- don't want me in with that. I mean, O'Reilly and I have something in common in that we were lied about. Imus said what he said.

DOOCY: He did, but Media Matters -- nobody really heard what Imus said until Media Matters brought the tape out and started sending it to different journalists.

LIMBAUGH: Well, that is, that is very key. The people that heard Imus say it didn't care. There was no brouhaha for two days. Like my comment with Donovan McNabb. I made it on a Sunday, wasn't til Tuesday the world blew up on it, but that was the local Philadelphia media that did that. What you have to understand, at least from my perspective, is that 1988, when my radio show started and gave birth to all this new media, back then they had a monopoly. At ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN -- that was it in broadcast. You had the two newspapers, the news magazines, and they controlled what was reported, what wasn't reported and what was commented upon. They've lost that monopoly.

Liberalism can only flourish when they have a media monopoly. So the Media Matters organization -- and when we say Media Matters, say Hillary Clinton and George Soros. She has even admitted to coming up with the idea and help start it. And it is to try to discredit those of us in the quote-unquote "new media" from having any credibility beyond our existing audiences. Because they cannot come in the arena of ideas and debate us and win. They have to shut us up. They have to discredit us. This has been happening to me for 12-14 years now. But I know exactly what's going on, and when you do -- and you guys have a good bead on it, too. You know what Media Matters is all about. I mean, they're -- it's a fascinating thing, too and you made a good point. I want to elaborate on this. Talking about Imus. I've got a radio show and I've got a website. And people can come to it. You don't need a secret coder and a super secret radio to listen, you just turn on the radio and tune to the station I'm on. You come to my website. You can hear what I say. Read what I said. But the drive-by media doesn't do that. They take their lead from Media Matters, so whatever Media Matters says I said is what they think happened.

DOOCY: Yeah.

LIMBAUGH: You know, during this whole thing, Steve, nobody from the drive-bys called me to ask me, "Did you release statements?" They just ran with it because they're all on the same playing field, they're all on the same side of the aisle. The media, Media Matters, you name it. But we know this. We know how to combat it. And our connection with the audience is what sustains us during these controversies.

DOOCY: Sure.

[...]

DOOCY: Sure, and you mentioned Media Matters, which is an outfit run by this fellow by the name of David Brock, who was once upon a time worked on the right but then went over to the left side. And in fact, this David Brock character has admitted that he published a bunch of stuff that he simply had made up. But his organization, which is supposed to be a watchdog of conservative misinformation -- Media Matters only takes shots at guys like you, at Fox News. They never, ever touch anybody on MSNBC. They never mention anybody on CNN.

LIMBAUGH: Well, they do, though, sometimes just for cover. They will rip a Democrat or a liberal media person if they attack Hillary, for example. That organization exists for one reason, and that's to get Hillary Clinton elected. Make no mistake about this.

DOOCY: Now why do you say that Rush?

LIMBAUGH: Well because she started it. The same thing -- what do you think MoveOn.org means? MoveOn.org was formed in the '90s. It meant, "Can we move on from the Clinton scandals?" And you've got George Soros money with all of these organizations in an indirect way. Brock is a flunky. You know, he's been all over the ideological map. Some of the stuff he wrote earlier, about Anita Hill, the troopers in Arkansas, he didn't deny the facts. He just said later he wished that he hadn't written them and published them and so forth. Who appointed them an official watchdog and who watches them?


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    • Author by jscott (October 16, 2007 7:15 pm ET)
         

      I love when righties blast David Brock as an admitted liar who just made up a bunch of stuff.  He did it for THEM.  He was on THEIR PAYROLL.  Fortunately, he saw the light, and is seriously making amends for his evil past.  Thanks, Mr. Brock.

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    • Author by jscott (October 16, 2007 7:18 pm ET)
         

      So now, MMFA did the MoveOn ad.  Thanks for clearing that up, moron.  Doocy and Kilmeade deserve a specil place in the dumbs**t hall of fame.

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      • Author by stevensm (October 16, 2007 8:54 pm ET)
           

        "Doocy and Kilmeade deserve a specil place in the dumbs**t hall of fame".

        Especially Doocy because he has told this same lie (about MMFA not going after the "so called liberal media") several times on F&F.

        So which is it...he's telling a known lie because it's easy to check and see MMFA going after MSNBC and CNN? Or is it that he doesn't actually read MMFA and he's just going off some right-wing talking points given to him by a right-wing liar? How's it feel to have your lying ways outed by MMFA, Doocy, and by using your own words? That's what MMFA does...gives the quotes and then gives the facts to expose the lies.

        Let's see Doocy try the "they're taking me out of context" defense on this one.

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        • Author by solon (October 16, 2007 10:44 pm ET)
             

          He doesnt care if its true or not. It meets the rightwing doctrinal definition of true. That is it is useful for propaganda purposes

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 16, 2007 7:20 pm ET)
         

      "Limbaugh asserted that the media 'take their lead from Media Matters'..."

      Congrats, MMFA...you've hit the big time. I'm proud to be a part of it...and that check I get every week from Mr. Soros sure helps me pay my bills.  ;>) 

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    • Author by ignatov (October 16, 2007 7:29 pm ET)
         

      Limbaugh: "the media "take their lead from Media Matters, so whatever Media Matters says I said is what they think happened."

      Congratulations, Media Matters. I had no  idea you were so influential.

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    • Author by kromecom48 (October 16, 2007 7:30 pm ET)
         

      And on the second day, Doocy lied. And Rush was pleased and said "this is good."

      The Liberal Bibble 

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    • Author by snoopy (October 16, 2007 7:31 pm ET)
         

      So, if Tommy is correct, and ignoring these bloviating blowhards is the key to marginalizing them, why oh why is the right wingers not ignoring MMFA? Is it because through their strategerizing sessions they decided a concerted response has more effect than silence?

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      • Author by ufleirx (October 16, 2007 8:06 pm ET)
           

        Excellent point, Snoop.

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        • Author by snoopy (October 16, 2007 8:48 pm ET)
             

          Thanks, and now I will take it a bit farther.

          There are two schools of thought on this, right? One side says the left and right feed off of each other, continuing the viscious cycle. Ignoring one side solves the problem.

          The other side says fight back in kind. Come out of the corner swinging and make damn sure your opponent thinks twice next time.

          Dittoheads are pushing option 1 here. Is it working? I say no, because for it to be successful, one side has to admit they are just wasting their time and subsequent ad $'s will drop, thus pushing the talking head into oblivion and off the air. That's happened oh, about 0 times so far.

          The other side has the highest potential for success. You win by demoralizing the other side, translating in less people showing up at the polls for one side. I've seen it happen again and again for 47 years now. Liberals finally decided to stop ignoring and fight back, they wiped the floor with republican @ss last election and are now on track to have the perfect storm next year.

          Tommy is absolutely wrong, and I honestly believe it is because he secretly doesn't want republicans to be the recipient of the methodology that party drove for the last 15 years. The "let's get back to playing fair now" talk we are now seeing coming from the right.

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          • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (October 16, 2007 9:11 pm ET)
               

            Negative advertising works in politics.

            That's why it can't go unanswered.

            Fox News Channel is a 24/7 negative ad against progressives.

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            • Author by steeve (October 17, 2007 10:06 am ET)
                 

              It always amuses me to hear about how voters want all the negativity to stop, usually right before those voters vote for the most negative candidate.

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (October 17, 2007 1:59 am ET)
               

            Snoopy you are so right. According to Tommy we should ignore the Rush, Sean Bill and Annie’s of the world. Ignore them and they will have less importance and go away. I’ve been trying to ignore them since Newt’s ’Contract with America’. Have they gone away? No, they have simply multiplied and increased not only in their numbers but in their stupidly. I’m done with ignoring them. I really don’t care if my e-mail or letter makes a difference, I’m not going to stop sending them. A long time ago there were some in the black community who felt that ’white folks’ were never going to change. We would always be ’second class citizens’. Thank God there were some who said I may die trying but I’m not taking this sh*t anymore. Change, while it can be long and difficult will not happen by pretending that it’s not needed. Change only happens when you speak out, raise your voice and demand to be heard! Does it change overnight? No way but it will never happen it you are silent.

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            • Author by nerzog (October 17, 2007 10:32 am ET)
                 

              You're exactly right. Gore and Kerry tried to ignore it. I even e-mailed the Gore campaign, pleading with them to respond to the talk radio lies. I got no response, of course. Gore was crucified on local talk radio stations across the country, all day every day... and he didn't bother to address any of it. Did it make a difference? In an election that close...who knows?

              Kerry, at least, put up a website to deal with some of the misinformation. Unfortunately, a website doesn't do a whole lot of good up against liars on television and radio.

              Democrats have to formulate an effective response against the Republican propaganda machine. The blogosphere is a good start, but we need much more presence on talk radio and cable news.

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              • Author by wzwriter (October 18, 2007 5:09 pm ET)
                   

                Democrats have to formulate an effective response against the Republican propaganda machine.

                I believe that every day, Pelosi, Reid, and others in the Democratic leadership (and all the presidential candidates) should have staffers monitor Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, and Savage as a minimum.  And when they lie about them, there should be a press conference the next morning exposing the lies of the previous day.

                If they do that long enough and often enough, people will stop believing what they hear from the right-wing propaganda machine, because they will be exposed as the liars that they are.

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                • Author by novaman7966 (October 19, 2007 2:44 pm ET)
                     

                  Come on. They can't get anything done the way it is now. You want them to spy on private citizens and correct the record the following day.

                  I thought you guys were for freedome of speech, or is it for progressive speech?

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          • Author by tommy (October 17, 2007 11:38 am ET)
               

            Snoopy,

            You have your opinion, I have mine.  But let me clarify mine to avoid more poster's misrepresentation. 

            First off, I have never said that candidates running for political office should "ignore" anything - that is a completely different animal than ignoring talk show hyperbole.  Negative ads in campaigns need to be answered and the truth should come out, if candidates don't answer it is at their own peril. So, please do not conflate the two when talking about what I believe.

            As for the Rush's of the world and whether to ignore them or not, I think you only need to view how the discourse compares with years past.  Do you honestly think things have improved on that front since this back and forth "gotcha" mentality, with every word and phrase being recorded and played over, to ratchet up anger and hatred for one's political opponents?  If you say the tone has tempered and become more respectful we very much disagree. It has gotten worse and continues to do so. Sure, there was the kitchen sink thrown at the Clintons, but those that salivated at destroying them were marginalized and by and large ineffective in the end - Bill is as popular as ever, and nothing much stuck.

            We have become a nation of hall monitors, whiny nitpicking finger pointers hoping to destroy those we don't like, to so demonize the opposing ideology that we now have Congress weighing in on talk show host's words, that is unprecedented - and absurd.

            And yes, all this feeds off of one another - and despite the calls for calm and raising the level of discourse, many really do not want that at all.  For it is now ammunition against the other side.  It fuels cable and radio ratings, it generates publicity for partisan websites - it grows and festers and bloats and polarizes us even more.

            My emphasis is with lawmakers and policy makers and holding them accountable for we pay their salary.  Self serving talkers and highly partisan websites whose only interest is their own relevance and survival can have catfights all day long, knock your lights out.

            But don't think playing in the mud doesn't get you dirty.

            We disagree. 

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            • Author by foghornleghorn (October 17, 2007 1:12 pm ET)
                 

              whiny nitpicking finger pointers hoping to destroy those we don't like

              Sound like Rule #6 of the Republican playbook.

              Rule #7:  False outrage

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    • Author by onionhead (October 16, 2007 7:56 pm ET)
         

      I like how the picture in the right hand corner of this page reads "RushLimbaugh.com/For more information".

      Maybe that's where Faux gets their "information".

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (October 16, 2007 8:37 pm ET)
         

      So Mathews and Blitzer are no longer on MSNBC or CNN? Oh, I realize how Doozy got his facts, he's taking the mentions by MMFA and subtracting the mentions by NewsBusters and MRC, that probably make the total factor out to zero, hence no mention by MMFA.

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      • Author by MiddleLeft (October 16, 2007 8:45 pm ET)
           

        Doocy just makes up stuff as he goes along.  That has become evident from repeated examples here.

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        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (October 16, 2007 9:14 pm ET)
             

          Doocy is a weatherman.

          He's out of his league when discussing anything else and says whatever the producer of the show tells him to say through his earpiece.

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    • Author by reddart3467589 (October 16, 2007 8:38 pm ET)
         

      Sen.Harry Reid and 40 other senators signed a letter to Clear Channel (Rush Limbaugh's boss) asking for an apology . An attack in the Senate against against a private citizen. Rush has the original letter being auctioned off on E-Bay with proceeds being donated to The Marine Corps -Law  Enforcement Foundation, a scholarship foundation for the children of fallen Marines and police. He's going to match the high bid. Who do I think more highly of?? Harry Reid-"the war is lost" Harry Reid of the sweetheart land deal in Arizona or Rush Limbaugh -who has donated millions to The Marine Corps Foundation. Go to Rush's web site-put in a bid

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      • Author by nerzog (October 17, 2007 10:35 am ET)
           

        I don't care if he rescues kittens from burning buildings...Rush is a lying scumbag, and has poisoned the American political process. The damage he's done will be with us for generations.

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        • Author by solon (October 18, 2007 12:36 am ET)
             

          Not only that imagine the stupidity. THEY ought to match out of THEIR pocket a price for something THEY GAVE Limbaugh brings on Ebay. So it costs the Oxymoron nothing but the politician ought to match it. Yeah, that makes sense.

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    • Author by interestingobserver (October 16, 2007 9:14 pm ET)
         

      If Doocy ever bothered visiting mediamatters.org, he would know that MMFA runs an article about Olbermann just about every day.  So he is clearly wrong. 

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      • Author by solon (October 16, 2007 10:47 pm ET)
           

        Not to mention Wolfie, Tweety, and Scarbourough. So YES he is CLEARLY wrong. What else is new?

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (October 16, 2007 9:22 pm ET)
         

      Who do you figure for Misinformer of the year 2007? Never heard of the award before.

      I was going to post on topic, but Oscar's math put my brain into spin cycle.

      Two threads for Mathster Limbaugh today. Will it raise his ire. Are bears Catholic?

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    • Author by jscott (October 16, 2007 9:29 pm ET)
         

      So Limpballs complains that the Drive-Bys never call him to ask if he said this or that, they just take MMFA's word and run with it.  Does he not realize that everything he says is transcripted and available on Lexis/Nexis?  Besides, even if they DID call him, he would just lie and try to spin it.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 17, 2007 12:10 am ET)
           

        JScott, that's exactly why Rush wishes they'd call him. Those transcripts contain the truth, and if you've ever heard Rush "explain" things to his callers, you know how he likes to provide his own reality.Much more difficult with those annoying facts getting in the way.

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        • Author by christopher howard (October 17, 2007 3:58 pm ET)
             

          So Limpballs complains that the Drive-Bys never call him to ask if he said this or that, they just take MMFA's word and run with it...  Besides, even if they DID call him, he would just lie and try to spin it.- jscott / Tuesday October 16, 2007

           

          Or, as he recently bragged of doing, go after the reporter's kids.

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    • Author by sfcretired (October 16, 2007 11:05 pm ET)
         

      The more they (OKEY Doocy, LimpBalls, O'Lielly, et al) protest against MMFA the more people will be drawn to this site.  These numb N*ts are the best thing to happen to MMFA.  Rush, "thou dost protest too much".  But keep it up. ;>)   

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 17, 2007 12:25 am ET)
           

        This is some classic Limbaugh BS; 

        "The same group of people, Media Matters, MoveOn.org -- it's the same George Soros-Hillary Clinton organization -- did both things. They did the MoveOn.org ad and they did the smear of me."

        So, MoveOn makes some statements (mostly ignored for the "Betrayus" headline), there is a controversy, and they are condemned by the Republicans.

        This is MoveOn's fault.

        Rush Limbaugh makes some statements, there is a controversy, and he iscondemned by the Democrats.

        This is MOveOn's fault.

        You gotta love watching this jackass melt down. He's like a 5 year old as far as his accountability and logic.I just hope every time he says stuff this stoopid, a few of the dittoheads open their drowsy eyes and start to actually think about what he's saying.

        I'm being optimistic that among the 30%ers, there are some who are starting to develop opposable thumbs and use crude tools.

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    • Author by benjamin.mpls9289 (October 17, 2007 12:17 am ET)
         

      I love the subtitle on the screen:

       

      LIMBAUGH MAKES $$$$ FOR TROOPS

       

      They're really playing it down the middle over there at FNC.

       That said, Rush is right (gulp.)  It is completely absurd for elected officials to go after a civilian like this and try to get them fired for making unpopular comments.   Reid and the dems need to grow up and take on real issues, not try to one up the republicans in the pissing match to see who can get the most outraged at stupid things people say.

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      • Author by nerzog (October 17, 2007 10:40 am ET)
           

        I'm afraid that I must agree with you there. The Democrats could have claimed the moral high ground if they had refused to vote for the MoveOn.Org ad condemnation. But, being the spineless cowards they are, they caved in, then tried to redeem themselves by doing the same thing to Rush. It's all very silly. Their top priority right now should be ending the war, investigating the lies and corruption surrounding the war, and impeaching Bush and Cheney.

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    • Author by FNC Liberal (October 17, 2007 2:05 am ET)
         

      Goofy Doocy is the court jester of Fox News Channel. How he got a job at Fox News is beyond me. I guess they like to hire ignorant people-and Fox Blonds-at this network.

      These Fox News media fools know exactly what they are doing. They read Media Matters and know they attack other networks. Remember, this sad network has a cult following of ignorant Americans who follow the gospel of Fox News. They don't realize that this fraudulent network lies to the American people daily. If you were flies on the wall at this network, you would see what I mean.

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      • Author by susangee (October 17, 2007 9:00 am ET)
           

        Even the name of the morning show "Fox and Friends" seems to have a sense of talking down to the audence. It sounds like the title of a children's show.

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    • Author by bcvb1949a (October 17, 2007 4:40 am ET)
         

      Let everyone know.  The finger prints of Hillary and Soros may not be on Media Matters.  But if a full investigation would be conducted they would find the front group indirectly using Soros' money to monetize this MMFA.

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      • Author by susangee (October 17, 2007 8:38 am ET)
           

        "Monetize?" The word "monetize" means "to establish as legal tender." Using big, "fancy" words does not make you sound smart. Especially if you use them incorrectly or make them up (like "strategery").

         One issue I have with Limbaugh and his ilk is that they think they are appealing to an audience that is generally not very insightful,analytical, or bright. Limbaugh often talks down to his audience of sheeple. He is like the insecure bully who knows he doesn't have much going for him and tries to victimize others to make himself feel better.

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    • Author by slothrop (October 17, 2007 8:36 am ET)
         

      DOOCY: He did, but Media Matters -- nobody really heard what Imus said until Media Matters brought the tape out and started sending it to different journalists.

      And then in the same conversation:

      DOOCY:But his organization, which is supposed to be a watchdog of conservative misinformation -- Media Matters only takes shots at guys like you, at Fox News. They never, ever touch anybody on MSNBC. They never mention anybody on CNN.

      I am not sure what you make of such obvious dishonesty. Doocy cannot even keep his lies straight. Either Media Matters went after Imus--who was on MSNBC--or they "never, ever touch anybody on MSNBC." In this case, it is quite easy to state that Steve Doocy is a liar.

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    • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 12:01 pm ET)
         

       Gotta say it again - every time I see this in an MMfA item, I will point out these LIES that continue to be perpetrated on this website:LIE No. 1: "In fact, philanthropist George Soros has never given money to Media Matters, either directly or through another organization, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively demonstrated."

      Well, take a look at this article from March 2005 from Cybercast News Service . Here's a quote from the item:

      "...The Media Matters shift came after  Cybercast News Service questioned the group's financial ties and demonstrated that there were numerous and extensive links between Media Matters and several Soros "affiliates" like MoveOn.org, the Center for American Progress and Soros ally Peter Lewis.

      Media Matters for America (MMA) spokeswoman Sally Aman responded to Cybercast News Service's questions with an e-mail. "In response to your query regarding donor funding Media Matters for America has never received funding directly from George Soros," Aman stated, no longer denying any relationship with organizations affiliated with Soros." 

      And my other favorite MMfa LIE:

      LIE No. 2: "Moreover, Media Matters is an independent, progressive organization and is not affiliated with any candidate or political party."

      As I've said before, by excluding liberal "misinformation", MMfA blatantly   supports the Democratic party. Why even continue with such an open, bald-face, out-and-out LIE.

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      • Author by solon (October 18, 2007 12:40 am ET)
           

        Doesnt make it a lie. If I give money to a car dealer and HE buys drugs with it that doesnt mean I financed a drug deal. If I give money to my church and THEY organize an anti abortion rally that doesnt mean I indirectly organized an abortion rally. Unless you can cough up some instructions FROM Soros to give some of his donation to MMFA then ya got nothin.

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    • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 12:11 pm ET)
         

      Another quote from a story linking Soros and Hillary to MMfA from Discoverthenetworks.org.

       

      "Standing behind Brock was John Podesta, a former chief of staff in the Clinton administration and the head of the "progressive" Washington, DC think tank, the Center for American Progress. In 2004 Podesta provided Brock with office space for his fledgling enterprise. Soon after, Media Matters received over $2 million in seed donations from a roster of affluent donors including Leo Hindery Jr., a former cable magnate; Susie Tompkins Buell, a co-founder of the fashion company Esprit and a close ally of Senator Hillary Clinton; James Hormel, a San Francisco philanthropist who nearly served as ambassador to Luxembourg during the Clinton administration; Bren Simon, a Democratic activist and the wife of shopping-mall developer Mel Simon; and New York psychologist and philanthropist Gail Furman. Media Matters, which can accept tax-deductible contributions under section 501(c)(3) of the tax code, has also benefited from the patronage of Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corporation and a longtime consort of leftist financier George Soros."  

       

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      • Author by susangee (October 17, 2007 12:55 pm ET)
           

        Well, that settle it then. Debate over. And this is certainly an objective source of information. No bias here.

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        • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 1:31 pm ET)
             

          Susan,

          Of course the sources are biased - but that's not the point, is it? Read the articles - Particularly the  one below from National Review and then tell me where they have it wrong.

          Look, MMfA is the one proclaiming no connection to Soros. I have just found 3 items that say otherwise. Are they all lying?

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          • Author by susangee (October 17, 2007 1:51 pm ET)
               

            Snnnxxxx .... Oh! Sorry! I fell asleep there just for a little minute. This whole Soros-Clinton-MMfA thing is getting really boring. It seems like every time the trolls an contrarians can't address an issue with evidence or those pesky little "facts," this comes up.  

             

             

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          • Author by solon (October 18, 2007 12:44 am ET)
               

            Unless you can either cough up a check by Soros to MMFA or an instruction FROM Soros to give money TO MMFA ya got nothin. Lots of working people give money to the United Way THEY give money to the Right to Work foundation which funds anti labor political inititives that doesnt mean those people are funding the anti labor inititives. We all know that Soros gives money to big umbrella organizations. Some of THEM decided to give money to MMFA. It is directly funding a group like CAP which directly gives funds to MMFA that is NOT Soros giving MMFA any money. I pay taxes, that money supports the war in Iraq that in no way means I support the war in Iraq.

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 17, 2007 1:17 pm ET)
           

        I don't care if Soros comes into MMFA with wheelbarrows overflowing with cash.  I don't care if the Clintons had anything to do with starting MMFA.  I don't care if Brock becomes campaign manager for Obama.

        I do care about liars in the media being exposed for what they are and the damage they do to political discourse.

        For that, MMFA is needed, no matter how they started or who bankrolled them.

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        • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 1:21 pm ET)
             

          I agree that it doesn't matter that Soros provides financial support for MMfA. But at least be grown-up enough to see that MMfA LIES about it again and again:

           "In fact, philanthropist George Soros has never given money to Media Matters, either directly or through another organization, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively demonstrated. Moreover, Media Matters is an independent, progressive organization and is not affiliated with any candidate or political party." 

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          • Author by solon (October 18, 2007 12:46 am ET)
               

            They didnt lie about it. Did YOU cough up any evidence that Soros DIRECTED the groups he funded to fund MMFA? No I didnt think so. Therefore Soros funded THEM like CAP. CAP funded MMFA that is NOT Soros funding MMFA

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 17, 2007 1:42 pm ET)
           

        I went to your link.  You expect us to believe anything coming out of a website with an "Islamo-fascism Petition".

        Try again.

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      • Author by MsOtter (October 17, 2007 4:41 pm ET)
           

        Um, I don't think this proves what you think it proves.  Getting money from a "friend" of Hillary or a "consort" of Soros is NOT getting money from Hillary or Soros (unless you can prove that they were laundering it or something).  And what does "benefitted from the patronage of" mean?  If it actually means gave money, why not say that?

        And, as has been pointed out many times before, getting money from an org that gets money from Soros is NOT getting money from Soros unless he retains the power to direct the money once he's given it away (which ain't how it usually works).

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        • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 4:50 pm ET)
             

          "And, as has been pointed out many times before, getting money from an org that gets money from Soros is NOT getting money from Soros unless he retains the power to direct the money once he's given it away (which ain't how it usually works)." MSOTTER

           Sotter,

          Yes...I see what you are saying BUT, this is the quote from MMfA in this very item:

          "In fact, philanthropist George Soros has never given money to Media Matters, either directly or through another organization, as has been repeatedly and exhaustively demonstrated."

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          • Author by MsOtter (October 17, 2007 5:12 pm ET)
               

            Well, their statement is right.  They do not get money "from Soros" through another organization.  If I give money to MoveOn, who then gives money to MMFA, did MMFA get money "from me"?  No.  Only if I somehow laundered (if that's the term) the money through a shell corporation or something to give to MMFA could you say that it got the money "from me through another organization."  As long as Soros no longer controls the money that he gives to MoveOn, he's not giving money to MMFA through Move On.

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    • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 12:50 pm ET)
         

      Here is another item that clearly lays out the Soros / MMfA connection from National Review OnLine. 

      A quote from the 2004 Byron York column: "Brock’s donors read like a Who’s Who of those who have financed the new, activist Left. Besides Buell and Hindery, donors to Media Matters include Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp., who has contributed more than $7 million to the 527s in partnership with his friend, the financier George Soros. There is Democratic activist Bren Simon, wife of shopping-mall tycoon Mel Simon, New York psychologist and donor Gail Furman, California philanthropist James Hormel, and others. Two anti-Bush organizations, the New Democratic Network and MoveOn.org, have also contributed to Brock’s project."

       Want more?

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (October 17, 2007 1:19 pm ET)
           

        Why don't you use your amazing research skills and look up how Fox News was started and who financed them for years when they were losing millions.

         

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        • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 1:26 pm ET)
             

          Dear Fog...

          It doesn't matter to me who started Fox News or who lost millions doing so - But I'm sure they don't LIE about it.

          Better yet, you brought it up so why don't you tell me what great misinformation I have missed about the startup of Fox News. 

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          • Author by foghornleghorn (October 17, 2007 1:38 pm ET)
               

            You say they lied about it and you're entitled to your opinion.  I'll believe MMFA before I believe one of your right-wing web sites.

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            • Author by Goodfella57 (October 17, 2007 1:53 pm ET)
                 

              "You say they lied about it and you're entitled to your opinion.  I'll believe MMFA before I believe one of your right-wing web sites."

              How open minded of you.  

               

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          • Author by solon (October 18, 2007 12:49 am ET)
               

            MMFA didnt lie either. YOU just have very low comprehension of what funding something IS.

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            • Author by Goodfella57 (October 18, 2007 12:18 pm ET)
                 

              "MMFA didnt lie either. YOU just have very low comprehension of what funding something IS."- solon

              Solon,

              Even you must admit that MMfA is being disingenuous when they make the claim that Soros "has never given money to Media Matters, either directly or through another organization".

              You're quick to call conservatives (and me in particular) 'liars', but all to willing to bend the truth to fit the MMfA claim about Soros.  

              Again, I don't care WHO or WHERE MMfA gets its funding. But it is important to point out the inconsistency and hypocrisy in its statements about Soros and about not supporting any political party or candidate.   

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      • Author by MsOtter (October 17, 2007 4:47 pm ET)
           

        "donors to Media Matters include Peter Lewis, chairman of Progressive Corp., who has contributed more than $7 million to the 527s in partnership with his friend, the financier George Soros."

        What is this trying to say?  It doesn't say directly that Soros and Lewis together gave money to MMFA.  It sounds more like they sometimes given money in "partnership" together to some other 527s.  If Soros did give MMFA money, WHY NOT JUST SAY THAT? (Hint - perhaps it's not true?) 

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        • Author by MsOtter (October 17, 2007 5:15 pm ET)
             

          And, by the way, everyone who points out that it doesn't matter if Soros does give MMFA money is of course correct.  Frankly, he probably should - I bet they could use it!

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      • Author by solon (October 18, 2007 12:48 am ET)
           

        More of NOTHING? Why bother. The only thing you can cough up to show us Soros is indirectly funding MMFA is an instruction FROM him to use some of his money to go to MMFA, if you have that cough it up. If you dont telling us these things we already know dont mean a thing.

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    • Author by clore3090 (October 17, 2007 8:17 pm ET)
         

      It is probably a good measure of Media Matter's success at countering misinformation and disinformation from regressive rightists that they have begun to make more and more attacks against Media Matters.

      Keep up the good work.

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    • Author by lesabre943466 (October 17, 2007 10:34 pm ET)
         

      I choose to believe my own ears. I have heard the tape of Hillary clearly stating that she helped start and supports MediaMatters and MoveOn.  Millions of other voters have also heard the tape. Your mission of getting Hillary elected is crystal clear to all. 

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    • Author by novaman7966 (October 19, 2007 2:40 pm ET)
         

      Rush corrected Doocy on his error.

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