MSNBC reported Giuliani promise not to attack other Republicans without noting his shots at Romney, Paul
SUMMARY: Four times on October 16, MSNBC anchors uncritically
aired Rudy Giuliani's declaration, "Thou shalt not attack another Republican.
So, I'm going to try to follow that commandment as much as I can." However, none of the anchors
or either of the political analysts featured during the segments noted that Giuliani has, in fact, repeatedly
attacked Mitt Romney and Ron
Paul.
On four occasions during MSNBC's October 16 political coverage, anchors uncritically aired Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani's October 14 declaration, "Thou shalt not attack another Republican. So, I'm going to try to follow that commandment as much as I can." Giuliani was referring to the "11th Commandment" that was first stated during Ronald Reagan's 1966 California gubernatorial run: "Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." But at no point did any of the anchors -- Mika Brzezinski, Contessa Brewer, Monica Novotny, and Tamron Hall -- or either of the political analysts featured during the segments -- Pat Buchanan and Joe Watkins -- note that Giuliani has, in fact, repeatedly attacked other Republican candidates.
As Media Matters for America noted, on October 5, the Giuliani campaign circulated a press release titled "Romney's Taxachussetts Hypocrisy," attacking former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's record on taxes and spending. Two days earlier, Giuliani had made a "pledge" during an interview not to directly criticize his GOP opponents. In an October 4 article on the interview, Politico senior political writer Jonathan Martin and Politico chief political correspondent Mike Allen wrote that Giuliani "took an unusual pledge" and quoted him saying: "It's my intention not to attack any other Republicans, absolutely. ... The whole focus of my campaign is I'm going to run against a Democrat."
Giuliani continued his criticism of Romney at the October 9 Republican presidential debate -- sponsored in part by MSNBC -- when he contrasted his economic policies as mayor of New York City with Romney's as governor of Massachusetts, saying, "I led; he lagged." The New York Times reported that the former New York mayor's comments at the debate "reflected a continuing effort by Mr. Giuliani to raise questions about Mr. Romney's candor and character," and quoted Giuliani telling Romney, "You have to be honest with people, and you can't fool all of the people all of the time: the line-item veto is unconstitutional."
During the May 15 Republican presidential debate, Giuliani misrepresented a statement by Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), claiming that Paul said the United States had "invited the attack" on September 11, 2001. As Media Matters noted, Paul actually said the attacks were a response to U.S. actions in the Middle East and stressed the importance of understanding the motivations of those who want to attack the United States. Further, on October 7, the Associated Press reported that former Massachusetts Gov. Paul Cellucci (R) "has emerged as the principal critic of Romney" and "has questioned his gubernatorial successor's economic record on behalf of Rudy Giuliani, whom Cellucci has endorsed in the primary campaign."
From the 10 a.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live on October 16:
BRZEZINSKI: In fighting for the White House, GOP candidates now find themselves battling for what may be an even more elusive title, the Republican's Republican. Mitt Romney fired the first shot when he tried to slap that label on himself over the weekend.
ROMNEY [video clip]: My own view is that, if you will, the Republican wing of the Republican Party, if it's going to follow the conservative coalition that Ronald Reagan spoke about, needs to have a social conservative, an economic conservative, and a military conservative.
BRZEZINSKI: OK, that's all Romney's rivals needed to dive into the fight and try and claim the title for themselves. [Former Sen.] Fred Thompson [R-TN] was the latest to make his case.
[begin video clip]
THOMPSON: I am the consistent conservative, who, for eight years on the national scene, fought for lower taxes, a balanced budget, welfare reform, and judges who would interpret the law and not make it up as they go along. I was conservative yesterday, I'm a conservative today, and I will be a conservative tomorrow.
SEN. JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): Former Governor Romney yesterday proclaimed himself as the only real Republican in this race. As we all know, when he ran for office in Massachusetts, being a Republican wasn't much of a priority for him.
GIULIANI: Thou shalt not attack another Republican. So, I'm going to try to follow that commandment as much as I can.
[end video clip]
BRZEZINSKI: OK, all this brings us to MSNBC political analyst, consistent conservative Republican Republicans himself, Joe Watkins. Hi, Joe.
WATKINS: Hello, Mika. How are you?
BRZEZINSKI: You know, on the surface, this sounds a little silly. Smart politics?
WATKINS: Very smart politics, of course.
BRZEZINSKI: Really?
WATKINS: Yeah, well, you've got to define yourself. Right now, you're in a mode where people are getting to know you, they're getting to know what it is you stand for. And one of the ways you let them know what you stand for is by defining yourself. If you don't define yourself as a candidate, somebody else will define you for you. And usually the way they define you is not the way you want to be defined. So it's a very smart thing for a candidate like Mitt Romney to come out and say, "You know what? I'm a fiscal conservative, I'm a social conservative, and from a military standpoint, I'm also conservative." That tells voters very plainly and clearly where he stands on all three of those areas.
BRZEZINSKI: OK, could any of this end up backfiring?
WATKINS: Well, I don't think it ends up backfiring. I think the other candidates are very, very smart to use this as a launch pad to begin a discussion. Certainly, I know having once been a candidate, having a couple times been a candidate for public office, that it takes money to publicize yourself. If you don't have money, you've got to get earned media. You've got to find ways to pick a fight and to get yourself on the airwaves so that you can also define yourself and maybe beat up the front-runner. That's what the other candidates are doing. They're very smart to do it. It's one way to get yourself in front of the camera and let folks know your campaign is still alive.
BRZEZINSKI: All right, just real quickly, in one word, is there anyone in this race who really is a conservative's conservative, Republican's Republican?
WATKINS: Well, I think they're all good Republicans; all the camps are good Republicans. I think that -- well, Mitt Romney probably is the one that is most socially conservative and also fiscally and militarily conservative. All three.
BRZEZINSKI: OK. All right, Joe, we leave it there.
WATKINS: Thanks.
BRZEZINSKI: Thank you very much.
From the 11 a.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live on October 16:
BREWER: Will the real conservative please stand up? In the race for 2008, all the candidates, it seems -- the GOP candidates -- are vying to be called the real conservative, and they're opening fire on each other.
[begin video clip]
ROMNEY: My own view is that, if will you, the Republican wing of the Republican Party, if it's going to follow the conservative coalition that Ronald Reagan spoke about, needs to have a social conservative, an economic conservative, and a military conservative.
McCAIN: Former Governor Romney yesterday proclaimed himself as the only real Republican in this race. As we all know, when he ran for office in Massachusetts, being a Republican wasn't much of a priority for him.
THOMPSON: I am the consistent conservative, who, for eight years on the national scene, fought for lower taxes, a balanced budget, welfare reform, and judges who would interpret the law and not make it up as they go along. I was conservative yesterday, I'm a conservative today, and I will be a conservative tomorrow.
GIULIANI: Thou shalt not attack another Republican. So, I'm going to try to follow that commandment as much as I can.
From the 12 p.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live on October 16:
NOVOTNY: Republican presidential candidates are apparently giving the Democrats a break. Instead, at least for now, they're attacking one another. This all started a few days ago when Mitt Romney claimed to have the real Republican credentials.
ROMNEY [video clip]: My own view is that, if will you, the Republican wing of the Republican Party, if it's going to follow the conservative coalition that Ronald Reagan spoke about, needs to have a social conservative, an economic conservative, and a military conservative.
NOVOTNY: Not surprisingly, Romney's rivals disagree, and now they're fighting back.
McCAIN [video clip]: Former governor Romney yesterday proclaimed himself as the only real Republican in this race. As we all know, when he ran for office in Massachusetts, being a Republican wasn't much of a priority for him.
[...]
NOVOTNY: Let's listen to Giuliani. He's been responding to the idea of the Republicans going after one another, and he had this sound bite. Let's hear that.
GIULIANI [video clip]: I think Ronald Reagan is kind of our guide to a large extent because he was the most successful Republican in a long time. He used to have an 11th Commandment. It was thou shalt not attack another Republican. So I'm going to try to follow that commandment as much as I can.
NOVOTNY: Joe, does he have a point?
WATKINS: He has a very good point, except if you're not first place in the sweepstakes to be the Republican nominee, you've got to do something to change the order. And so Giuliani is doing very well in the national polls, he's atop the national polls in the Republican sweepstakes, and in the state polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, Mitt Romney is ahead. So the others who aren't leading right now have to attack in order to change that dynamic, and they're doing just that. But in a perfect world, Republicans wouldn't attack Republicans. Pat Buchanan has a great point, which is that once the Republican nominee is chosen, they'll all get behind that person to defeat Hillary Clinton in the November election.
[...]
BUCHANAN: Let me say on that 11th Commandment, you know, we -- in the Nixon days, we obeyed that 11th Commandment pretty well, thou shalt not speak ill of another Republican. Our problem, Monica, was with the first 10.
From the 1 p.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live on October 16:
HALL: In the race for 2008, the Republican candidates are running to be the real conservative and opening fire now on each other.
[begin video clip]
ROMNEY: My own view is that, if will you, the Republican wing of the Republican Party, if it's going to follow the conservative coalition that Ronald Reagan spoke about, needs to have a social conservative, an economic conservative, and a military conservative.
McCAIN: Former governor Romney yesterday proclaimed himself as the only real Republican in this race. As we all know, when he ran for office in Massachusetts, being a Republican wasn't much of a priority for him.
THOMPSON: I am the consistent conservative, who, for eight years on the national scene, fought for lower taxes, a balanced budget, welfare reform, and judges who would interpret the law and not make it up as they go along. I was conservative yesterday, I'm a conservative today, and I will be a conservative tomorrow.
GIULIANI: Thou shalt not attack another Republican. So, I'm going to try to follow that commandment as much as I can.
[end video clip]
HALL: Let's bring in MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan and former presidential candidate, as well as Joe Watkins, a Republican strategist and MSNBC analyst. Thank you, gentlemen, for making time.
BUCHANAN: Thank you, Tamron.
WATKINS: Thank you.
HALL: So I just got this in from our producer, Angie Dorr [ph], comments from Rudy Giuliani. He's continuing to defend himself as the real Republican in this race, Pat. He says, "I gave my blood for the Republican Party in New York," and he went on to say that he was the first Republican mayor of New York and the first to stay a Republican in 50 years.

















Giuliani cannot afford to attack any Republican - considering his flimsy and shaky support, at best, from the rightwing base, he will have them over for cookies and lemonade if it gets him their votes should be become the nominee.
If it's Giuliani/Clinton, they may rally out just to beat Hillary and it will be an incredibly close race, I think. If it's Giuliani/Obama, they may stay home or go for a third party candidate - Obama wins a plurality.
Tommy, for the reason you gave I don't think it's going to be Rudy at all. He's way too convoluted for the GOP to give the nomination to. They have much tighter control over their own nomination process than the Democrats in terms of running the candidate who can win. Rudy wouldn't win against any of the top Democrats and they know it. He's their sideshow candidate for the primary season. Look to Romney to emerge once the voting actually begins.
And get this. If Romney runs against Clinton, he actually becomes president. It's the one combination that works for the GOP. He's willing and eager to have any conservative persona painted on him that wins the GOP base and the base have shown that they're willing to buy it. And he's enough of a blank slate that when they put him up there next to Clinton, he'll look like the candidate of change. Which is what everyone wants right?
I'd bet anything that's the way it goes down unless Obama derails her in two and a half months. The odds of that are better than people think though. It's going to get real close anyway.
If you turn out to be right though, along with being surprised, I'd be really amused. A Rudy-Hillary campaign would be one of the most comically ugly things imagineable. Obama would mop the floor with that clown.
I so love the fact that Ron Paul is in the race. This has to make the other Republican candidates very uncomfortable; and Giuliani is no exception. He can't even summarize Paul's arguments correctly (perhaps he does this deliberately)
Ron Paul is the only Repub I'd vote for, not that I'd ever vote GOP, the top tier right now is just a bunch of guys trying to convince voters they are just like the sad sack we have in office right now...not sure how that's a winning strategy
It's simple: when you're the frontrunner you don't need to attack your opponents.
That's why he stopped once he achieved his lead.
If it gets close again he'll attack again.
That's Giuliani in a nutshell.
Did you see Jon Stewart's 9/11 skit on Giuliani?
Yes.
Hilarious.
I also lived through 2 terms of Rudy.
Hilarious.
OK. I'm going off topic again. But someone has to post this kinda ignorance! It's kinda relevant in that the right want's Gore's nobel retracted, though not on this thread....
JJ, I'm sorry. I don't deserve my puppy belly rub today.
What Watson said is ridiculous. But it should not taint his Nobel Prize.
The work he and his partner, Francis Crick, did some fifty years ago informs just about everyone's understanding of the nature of DNA. Pretty much all the scientific contributions on genetics and DNA since the late 50's have been the result of the "double helix" model.
But given all that, his comment is ignorant. I don't know what "testing" he is refering to, but any disparity in testing is due more to social factors than anything biological and should never be taken at face-value.
But I guess this shows that even brilliant people can say and do stupid things.
Don't worry, you still get your milkbone. But you have to hold it on your nose for a whole minute before eating it.
I am sure one or two of his water carriers at FOX will redefine the word " attack " and make it sound like a kiss in the cheek.
This thread highlights one of the major problems in political reporting and discourse today. A criticism of past performance or proposed policy is not an attack.
But ego driven reporters and thin skinned posters in the blogosphere have chosen to define "an attack" as any disagreement...and that is a load of bunk.
Certainly there are many instances of real attacks...both personal and political...but pointing out past performances or policy differences should be welcomed...and not categorized as "attacks".
This juvenile behavior is on full exhibit every day in the media and internet. While mmfa is not the only guilty party...they certainly lead the way in this silly, partisan, and ego driven style of reporting.
Wesley, from the above piece:
As Media Matters for America noted, on October 5, the Giuliani campaign circulated a press release titled "[link to www.joinrudy2008.com] title="http://mediamatters.org/rd?[link to www.joinrudy2008.com] color="#0052a3">Romney's Taxachussetts Hypocrisy," attacking former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney's record on taxes and spending. Two days earlier, Giuliani had made a "pledge" during an interview not to directly criticize his GOP opponents.