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October 25, 2007 7:05 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Glenn Beck declared that "the globe was the hottest" in 1934; in fact, according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, the hottest year on Earth was actually 2005, and 1934 -- now designated the hottest year on record in the U.S. after a revision in climate data -- does not even rank among the globe's five warmest years. Beck also suggested that the statistic "was, I believe, intentionally distorted by the guy the left holds up as the scientist on global warming," an apparent reference to GISS director James Hansen. In August, the GISS revised historical climate data because "the monthly more-or-less-automatic updates of our global temperature analysis had a flaw in the U.S. data."

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Discussing global warming during the October 24 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Glenn Beck declared that "the globe was the hottest" in 1934, and claimed that this "stat ... was, I believe, intentionally distorted by the guy the left holds up as the scientist on global warming." Beck was apparently referring to James Hansen, director of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), which in August revised its climate data and stated that 1934 was the hottest year on record in the United States, as Beck noted moments later. The hottest year on Earth, however, was actually 2005, according to a temperature analysis by the GISS. In fact, the GISS does not even rank 1934 among the globe's five warmest years.

Beck also suggested that global warming is "[a] one-degree temperature change that happened at the first part of the century, not in the last part, at least most of it." In fact, the GISS reported in January 2006 that most of the 0.8° C [1.44° F] temperature rise over the past century occurred after 1940, with "rapid warming of almost 0.2° C per decade" after 1975, as Media Matters for America has repeatedly documented.

During his October 24 radio program, Beck stated:

BECK: We'll tell you the truth. We'll tell you the things that are politically incorrect. I'll go on and I'll tell you the fires have very little to do with global warming, if anything. The globe was the hottest in 19 -- was it 1934, Stu [executive producer Steve "Stu" Burguiere], or '37? -- '34, 1934 was the hottest year. A stat, by the way, that was, I believe, intentionally distorted by the guy the left holds up as the scientist on global warming. America's temperature peaked in 1934. Since 1934, the hottest year on record was 1998. It has not gotten warmer since 1998. That's a fact.

Now, why are these fires burning out of control? Al Gore and everybody else will have you believe that it is all about global warming. Well, really? A one-degree temperature change that happened at the first part of the century, not in the last part of the century, at least most of it, and a temperature change that hasn't changed since 1998 is causing superfires in California and only California? Only America? It's in the American borders. How is that possible?

In August 2007, GISS revised its historical temperature records after learning that improvements the National Ocean and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) made to its climate analysis method in 2001 were not picked up in subsequent years' Global Historical Climatology Network data stream. The GISS thus needed to correct temperature data collected between the years 2001 and 2007. The error, according to the GISS, "did have a noticeable effect on mean U.S. temperature anomalies, as much as 0.15°C." But the GISS also stated that the error's effect on the global temperature data was "of order one-thousandth of a degree, so the corrected and uncorrected curves are indistinguishable," as Media Matters documented.

According to Gavin Schmidt, a climate modeler at GISS and a contributor to the RealClimate blog (posting as "gavin"), the August 2007 revision resulted in a re-ranking of NASA's list of the warmest years in the United States. For example, whereas 1998 was previously ranked as the warmest year for the United States, it is now ranked second, behind 1934. Moreover, the GISS stated that even after correcting the U.S. climate data, the difference in temperature between 1934 and 1998 in the U.S. is "much smaller than the uncertainty."

While Beck said he believed that the temperature data was "intentionally distorted," GISS explained:

Recently it was realized that the monthly more-or-less-automatic updates of our global temperature analysis had a flaw in the U.S. data. We wish to thank Stephen McIntyre for bringing to our attention that this flaw might be present.

In the 2001 update (described in Hansen et al. [2001]) of the analysis method (originally published in Hansen et al. [1981]), we included improvements that NOAA had made in station records in the U.S., their corrections being based mainly on station-by-station information about station movement, change of time-of-day at which max-min are recorded, etc.

Unfortunately, we didn't realize that these corrections would not continue to be readily available in the near-real-time data streams. The same stations are in the GHCN (Global Historical Climatology Network) data stream, however, and thus what our analysis picked up in subsequent years was station data without the NOAA correction. Obviously, combining the uncorrected GHCN with the NOAA-corrected records for earlier years caused jumps in 2000 in the records at those stations, some up, some down (over U.S. only). This problem is easy to fix, by matching the 1990s decadal-mean temperatures for the NOAA-corrected and GHCN records, and we have made that correction.

The flaw did have a noticeable effect on mean U.S. temperature anomalies, as much as 0.15°C, as shown in Figure 1 at top right (for years 2001 and later, and 5 year mean for 1999 and later).

The effect on global temperature (Figure 2 at bottom right) was of order one-thousandth of a degree, so the corrected and uncorrected curves are indistinguishable.

Although Beck went on to claim that "most" of the "one-degree temperature change [] happened at the first part of the century," the 2005 Annual Summation by GISS (updated January 12, 2006) of global temperature trends by GISS stated: "Global warming is now 0.6° C [1.08° F] in the past three decades and 0.8° C [1.44° F] in the past century. It is no longer correct to say that 'most global warming occurred before 1940'. More specifically, there was slow global warming, with large fluctuations, over the century up to 1975 and subsequent rapid warming of almost 0.2° C per decade."

From the October 24 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:

BECK: We've entered an age in a time where you just can't have certain opinions. You just can't say certain things. If you do, the special interest groups take you down. Well, so be it. We'll tell you the truth. We'll tell you the things that are politically incorrect. I'll go on and I'll tell you the fires have very little to do with global warming, if anything. The globe was the hottest in 19 -- was it 1934, Stu, or '37? -- '34, 1934 was the hottest year. A stat, by the way, that was, I believe, intentionally distorted by the guy the left holds up as the scientist on global warming. America's temperature peaked in 1934. Since 1934, the hottest year on record was 1998. It has not gotten warmer since 1998. That's a fact.

Now, why are these fires burning out of control? Al Gore and everybody else will have you believe that it is all about global warming. Well, really? A one-degree temperature change that happened at the first part of the century, not in the last part of the century, at least most of it, and a temperature change that hasn't changed since 1998 is causing superfires in California and only California? Only America? It's in the American borders. How is that possible? You'd think that there would be fires everywhere; you'd think that people would be bursting into flames on the equator.

Fires so hot they're making trees explode, from a one-degree temperature change? "Well, it's, you know, coupled with water changes and the drought and the whole globe is changing." Really, and it's just kicked in? Hottest year on record was 1998, but now it's just kicking in? It has nothing to do with the environmental policies of this country? It has nothing to do with that? Really? It has nothing to do with the hippie California environmentalists that won't let you touch the landscape, wont let you clear the brush on the side of the hills where your house is because that's natural -- we don't touch nature.

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    • Author by mefirst (October 25, 2007 7:10 pm ET)
         

      "the guy the left holds up as the scientist on global warming".  guess there's only one guy, huh?

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      • Author by snoopy (October 25, 2007 7:13 pm ET)
           

        That's true, but he's actually on the right.

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      • Author by Les is more (October 26, 2007 7:02 am ET)
           

        Hansen is the real phony, not Beck. When his data, and thus, his interpretation of said data is fully disclosed he will be seen as  completely wrong in his analysis of  historical climate change. For those of us who already know this, it will be no surprise. For the kool-aid drinkers, Gore acolytes, and RFK Jr wackjobs, it will probably take until the next round of global cooling, some time in the not too distant future, to sink in.

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        • Author by open_mind (October 26, 2007 8:52 am ET)
             

          Science is not about trash talking unless you are an irrational zealot.

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        • Author by chin music (October 26, 2007 12:42 pm ET)
             

          You're probably right.  I'm sure that you know a lot more about the environment and climate than several hundred thousand highly educated, science professionals who have dedicated their careers to study of climate change.  BTW:  how flat IS the Earth?

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 26, 2007 2:43 pm ET)
             

          And the Right will continue to deny the facts and data about global warming until the clouds catch fire.

           (And after that they'll tell us it's a good thing.)

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 25, 2007 7:17 pm ET)
         

      Well, since the USA is the greatest land on earth who cares what the temerature was in all those damn foreign countries...right, Glenn?   ;>)

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 25, 2007 7:19 pm ET)
           

        CORRECTION: Temperature 

        Sorry, my fingers were stiff because the climate is getting so damn cold.  ;>)

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      • Author by justicetruthus8276 (October 26, 2007 11:31 am ET)
           

        There is one question - If the original estimate of the "USA" temperature was so wrong, why should we truth the "earth" temperatures?

        And a more basic scientific question - how do we know what the temperature actually is?  Is it reliable?

        Here is an important quote:

        Of surprise to most people is that we don't even have an agreement on what we mean by absolute mean surface temperature. In addition to this lack of standardization is that there is a general paucity of data.

        FROM

        If "global warming" is real, what could be causing it?

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        • Author by mefirst (October 26, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
             

          your link quotes "the center for the study of carbon dioxide and global change", which is shown below to be the recipient of oil money.

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    • Author by jscott (October 25, 2007 7:25 pm ET)
         

      '34 huh?  Was that the year the polar ice caps melted?

       

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      • Author by greatjob (October 26, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
           

        Was that in 2005? They were still there last I looked.

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (October 26, 2007 2:46 pm ET)
             

          ???

          Have you been there lately?  (My cousin has - he took pictures!)  

          There a mile-wide lake of standing water at the North Pole rigth now, and the Northwest passage is now open year round.  Do you really want to to waint until ALL the ice is gone to admit there's an issue?

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    • Author by wesley (October 25, 2007 7:29 pm ET)
         

       - In fact, the GISS does not even rank 1934 among the globe's five warmest years. - mmfa

      In fact, mmfa is dead wrong. This from their GISS link:

       - Contrary to some statements flying around the internet, there is no effect on the rankings of global temperature. Also our prior analysis had 1934 as the warmest year in the U.S. (see the 2001 paper above), and it continues to be the warmest year, both before and after the correction - NASA-GISS Aug07

       

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      • Author by Bear (October 25, 2007 7:45 pm ET)
           

        Nice try WESLEY but no cigar.  MMFA is absolutely correct. The warmest year in the USA was in fact 1934 as they clearly statein their post.  However it is not the warmest year GLOBALLY as Beck asserts. MMFA backs that up in the second link.

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      • Author by jawill11 (October 25, 2007 7:49 pm ET)
           

        You're making the same mistake that Beck is making (he might be intentionally doing it): you are mixing up US temp vs global temp.  The revision has 1934 now tied with 1998 as the hottest year in the US.  The revision did not alter the global temp, which does not have 1934 anywhere near the top, which continues to be the most recent years, as the temp has been stedily rising throughout the century.

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      • Author by open_mind (October 25, 2007 7:49 pm ET)
           

        "- Contrary to some statements flying around the internet, there is no effect on the rankings of global temperature. Also our prior analysis had 1934 as the warmest year in the U.S. (see the 2001 paper above), and it continues to be the warmest year, both before and after the correction - NASA-GISS Aug07"--Wesley

        I don't see your point.  The discussion from both Beck and MMFA is about Global temperatures, but you are apparently showing 1934 as the hottest year in the US, which MMFA even mentions in the article itself "...1934 -- now designated the hottest year on record in the U.S. after a revision in climate data..."

        Am I missing something or are you just confused here?

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      • Author by clams casino (October 25, 2007 7:56 pm ET)
           

        Read the article, and then post your inane thoughts. You clearly got it backwards this time.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 25, 2007 7:40 pm ET)
         

      Maybe Beck is relapsing again.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (October 25, 2007 7:43 pm ET)
         

      Come to think of this, what are Beck's credentials that allow him to interpret data ?

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    • Author by wesley (October 25, 2007 7:45 pm ET)
         

       - A new report published today by the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change challenges NASA scientist James Hansen's claims of a dire global warming future.- June 07

      More from the report:

       - When Hansen's testimony is compared with what has been revealed by the scientific investigations of a diverse assemblage of highly competent researchers in a wide variety of academic disciplines, we find that he paints a very different picture of the role of anthropogenic CO2... -

       - Hansen claims the rate of sea level rise is accelerating, century-scale data indicate the mean rate-of-rise of the global ocean has either not accelerated at all or has actually slowed over the latter part of the past century. - 

       - Another Hansen claim that is at odds with reality is that atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations are "skyrocketing," which is not universally true...atmospheric concentration actually stabilized several years ago and has not risen since by any appreciable amount. - 

       - Also contrary to what Hansen claims is the fact that the earth is not any warmer now - and is possibly a fair amount cooler - than it was many times in the past...today's temperatures are not in any way unusual, unnatural or unprecedented, contrary to what Hansen claims. - 

       

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      • Author by Bear (October 25, 2007 7:52 pm ET)
           

        "Exxon mobile has contributed $90,000 to The Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change since 1998." Besides this is a family run business. Father and two sons. How many pear reviewed papers have they published in the past 10 years, in reputable journals?

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        • Author by mefirst (October 25, 2007 7:55 pm ET)
             

          they also got grants from the scaife foundation.

          http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientgrants.php?recipientID=1993

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        • Author by Bear (October 25, 2007 8:13 pm ET)
             

          I'll answere my own question S.B. Idso published a paper in 2003 " The effect of long-Term atmospheric CO2 enrichment on the intrinsic water-use  efficiency of sour orange trees", in the journal CHEMOSPHERE. It has an impact factor of 1.333.  I think SuperMan Comic books has a higher impact factor.

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        • Author by wesley (October 25, 2007 8:14 pm ET)
             

           - Newsweek reporter Eve Conant was given the documentation showing that proponents of man-made global warming have been funded to the tune of $50 BILLION in the last decade...skeptics have reportedly received a paltry $19 MILLION from ExxonMobil over the last two decades...

          Billions of dollars of grant money is flowing into the pockets of those on the man-made global warming bandwagon. No man-made global warming, the money dries up. - U.S. Senate Committee Public Works & Environment

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          • Author by crimson2 (October 25, 2007 8:25 pm ET)
               

            All those climate scientists and their gold-plated Mercedes, huh?

             

             

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          • Author by Bear (October 25, 2007 8:28 pm ET)
               

            Same old baloney,  from you people.   I hear the same nonsense coming from the “Intelligent Design” people.  The skeptics have found a nice niche  and are funded quite nicely for their work.  Its more than what they deserve. As I stated earlier the Idso’s run a family business and are compensated quite well for there, “Scientific Evidence” refuting CO2 and global warming. Maybe you can catch on with them yourself.

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          • Author by jawill11 (October 25, 2007 8:28 pm ET)
               

            You see, Wes, the difference is that real scientists work for universities or the government, and they can get grant funding from a variety of sources.  That means that they are free to publish factual studies regardless of their outcome because they can get funding from a variety of places.  They also submit their studies to peer-reviewed journals.

            On the other hand, the jokers at the CO2 is great.org foundation work only at their made-up organizations that are wholly supported by special interest groups.  And, they submit nothing to be published and peer-reviewed. 

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          • Author by clams casino (October 25, 2007 8:34 pm ET)
               

            "skeptics have reportedly received a paltry $19 MILLION from ExxonMobil over the last two decades"

            And they didn't deserve a dime of it. On the other hand, real scientists actually deserve the grant money they are awarded, because it goes toward actual scientific study.

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          • Author by open_mind (October 25, 2007 8:54 pm ET)
               

            Lol.  Now you are quoting Senator Inhofe's press releases.  I am sure that information is accurate. ; )

            Not to mention Inhofe is comparing apples and oranges.  Please describe the conflict of interest in government funding that is anywhere near analogous to the obvious commercial interest of Big Oil.

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          • Author by pete592 (October 25, 2007 9:41 pm ET)
               

            Who are the wealthy believers making donations to climate change science???

            What do they have to gain by proving that climate change is affected by humans? 

            Is it "big solar?" 

            Is it "big wind"?

            What is the conflict of interest???

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        • Author by drosenha4868 (October 26, 2007 2:10 pm ET)
             

          Actually, Richard Lindzen has several peer reviewed papers that are published and he is on the Exxon payroll.... I think that counts.  He is also one of the scientists that gather data for the IPCC.

          Let's see the names of your peer reviewed scientists.

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      • Author by solon (October 25, 2007 7:52 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, whatever, meanwhile as the TOPIC stated. Beck is a lying weasel

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        • Author by MiddleLeft (October 26, 2007 9:40 am ET)
             

          Beck is a lying weasel

          Well that's true of course... but in this case I believe Beck and posters here are actually ignorant on this confusion between US temps and world temps.  The believe, and want to believe what they are told by other deniers.  They don't trust any facts from the "librul " media, pointy headed intellectuals, or the blogoshere, and won't read it.

          When this error was revealed  the confusion about U.S. and world averages was well documented all over the net (seldom on TV).

          Like other denier myths based on ignorance error and mis-quotes it will acquire a life of it's own for months or years because these folks resist being informed.

          Beck is a lying weasel and ignorant pinhead that millions rely on for information. I think that's fair.

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        • Author by MiddleLeft (October 26, 2007 1:25 pm ET)
             

          Beck is a lying weasel.

          And let us not forget that it is two lies.

          1.) The data change affected only the US numbers, not the world numbers.

          2.)  Only the absolute ranking of the top USA warmest years changed.  The corrected hottest years for USA are NOT statistically different.  The error is greater than the range.

          We don't know if 1934 was actually hotter than the others such as 1998.  It just ranks that way on the list of calculated values. 

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      • Author by snoopy (October 25, 2007 7:53 pm ET)
           

        "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking."

        "Prepare for the unknown by studying how others in the past have coped with the unforeseeable and the unpredictable."

        George S. Patton

        You may want to consider why "conservatives" are embracing a unilateral position there, Wes...

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      • Author by open_mind (October 25, 2007 8:00 pm ET)
           

        Wes,

        You've really been slipping lately.  What's the deal?

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      • Author by therick (October 25, 2007 8:02 pm ET)
           

        Wesley quotes: Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change

        What a laugh.  A nonprofit organization funded by big oil companies.  They must really be the definitive source concerning global warming.

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    • Author by copiousdissent.blogspot.com (October 25, 2007 7:55 pm ET)
         

      You're all a bunch of liars.

       

      The 2005 data was found to be inaccurate earlier this year.

       

      Why do you think your supporters don't know that?  I'm sure many of them have read that information!!

       

      Nobody can trust you anymore MMFA. 

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      • Author by clams casino (October 25, 2007 7:59 pm ET)
           

        And this is the part where we ask for you to back up your claims with at least one legitimate source. Then next comes the part where you disappear and don't post again until the next Beck thread.

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      • Author by snoopy (October 25, 2007 8:00 pm ET)
           

        Sources? I'm sure you have a few legit ones... <not!>

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        • Author by copiousdissent.blogspot.com (October 25, 2007 8:04 pm ET)
             

          NASA!!!!!!!

           

          "NASA said the error resulted from a switch to a new data-collection system in 2000 and a false assumption that the old and new methods matched."

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          • Author by jawill11 (October 25, 2007 8:08 pm ET)
               

            Hey dumb*ss: the revision statement is what MMFA quotes and links to, and is what we are all talking about!  The revision states and shows that the correction does not change their data that shows steadily increasing global temp throughout the 20th century, with each most recent year being the hottest. 

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            • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 26, 2007 1:17 am ET)
                 

              I don't know. It's hard to argue with all of those exclamation points.

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          • Author by snoopy (October 25, 2007 8:09 pm ET)
               

            Gee, I thought you would actually post the link. You're as predictable as a fart in the bathtub, you know it's coming, you just don't know how bad it will stink.

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          • Author by clams casino (October 25, 2007 8:20 pm ET)
               

            That's hilarious. So your proof that MMFA is lying is found in the same article that they posted a link to in the story above? The same article that in fact shows that they are correct and you are full of nonsense? I can't believe that you continue to post here. This happens to you everytime. Don't you sense the pattern yet?

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            • Author by jawill11 (October 25, 2007 8:36 pm ET)
                 

              Maybe he/she is really a progressive pretending to be a brain-dead conservative punching bag to make us all feel better by knocking his/her arguments out of the park. 

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              • Author by Pithaughn (October 26, 2007 6:01 pm ET)
                   

                Nah, i think they are part of a conspiracy to keep us tied to our PC's diligantly refuting absurdities instead of going out on a street corner with signs, like "Climate Change, it's not just for breakfast!!" and other nutty messages. I know this likely because they keep coming back over and over with the same bs.

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      • Author by therick (October 25, 2007 8:13 pm ET)
           

        ConservativeBlindspot, it would be nice if once in a while you would post a link, or a source, or something that backs up your argument.  Otherwise, you just sound like a partison nutcase.

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      • Author by solon (October 25, 2007 8:45 pm ET)
           

        YOU are a complete moron and no one could EVER trust you.

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    • Author by HotWings (October 25, 2007 8:54 pm ET)
         

      I know that you guys at Media Matters love to peddle all this "Global Warming" hysteria.  But calling the people at NASA liars because their numbers don't jive with your left wing idiology is just wrong. 

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      • Author by jawill11 (October 25, 2007 9:07 pm ET)
           

        Man, after reading this comment and the one about tax hikes in the other post, you are on fire!  Sheer brilliance. 

        Please elaborate on which NASA report contradicts what this post is about and how it does so.  I'll give you a hint: the post links to the NASA revision document, which proves what MMFA is saying and shows how Beck (and you by association) is a clownish imbecile.

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      • Author by clams casino (October 25, 2007 9:46 pm ET)
           

        Again, read the article first, and then post your moronic comments. And if you read it and don't understand it, then don't bother to post at all.

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        • Author by mary59 (October 25, 2007 10:51 pm ET)
             

          Why, his beautiful mind can't be bothered with reading long boring factual articles.  What are you thinking?!

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (October 26, 2007 1:21 am ET)
           

        Hotwings, did Wesley and CompliantConsent send you in as a rodeo clown? You probably refer to Compliant as "Professor" Compliantconsent.

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      • Author by robotchubby (October 26, 2007 11:52 am ET)
           

        Are Hotwings, Wesley, and ConservativeBlindspot (good one!) the same person?  I find it amazing that the same level of stupidity can be found in three separate posters on this Web site.

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    • Author by Uosdwis (October 25, 2007 11:00 pm ET)
         

      Oh, you and your fake ignorance of global average temperature changes. 

      It- it is fake, isn't it?

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    • Author by johnwiz2 (October 26, 2007 9:40 am ET)
         

      The climate maybe warming. All said NASA and MMFA did not exist in 1934 so how could they know ???   :-)

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    • Author by billie101112 (October 26, 2007 10:51 am ET)
         

      C'mon, you guys! This person is probably Glenn Beck's producer or some other rehab'd toady who works for him.

      And speaking of him, Beck seems genuinely obsessed with Al Gore...the way El Rushbo is obsessed with the Clintons...still. That's troubling.

      Beck's crowning moment as the village idiot came when he said that the Hollywood crowd was getting payback for "hating America" by losing their homes to fire.

      Knowing Southern California/Orange and San Diego counties the way I do, most of the losses were bestowed upon Beck's fellow Republicans.

      "Unfortunately" still means "I screwed up big time." 

       

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      • Author by Kuato (October 26, 2007 11:13 am ET)
           

        Clearly Al Gore does not have the scientific evidence necessary to support his message. There is no doubt that we are all putting too much crap into the air. But the extent to which humans are causing global warming and/or climate change as opposed to it happening naturally is debatable.

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        • Author by jawill11 (October 26, 2007 11:31 am ET)
             

          Dammit! Let's once and for all have this debate I've been hearing about!

          It'll be the entire reputable scientific community on one side, and Beck, John Stossel and a couple of economists funded by big oil pretending to be natural scientists on the other.  I would buy that on pay-per-view, and I haven't done that since Tyson-Holyfield.

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        • Author by robotchubby (October 26, 2007 12:12 pm ET)
             

          There is an eight-minute video going around the Internet in which a man, probably a professor, explains that the greatest threat to human health and well-being in regards to climate change is for us TO DO NOTHING, which Conservatives seem to want us to do.

          I've heard theories that volcano eruptions and livestock farts can put more pollution into the air than what humans are doing now, and that may be true, as ridiculous as it sounds.  But we still have a responsibility to make sure we are keeping our "house" clean and that means encouraging manufacturers to reduce the amount of junk they are throwing into our air and water, and punishing those who don't.  Whether you believe the doomsday scenarios on global warming or not, we should make every effort to keep this planet healthy. 

          And really, that is the point this argument boils down to.

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    • Author by mghamma (October 26, 2007 11:35 am ET)
         

      I was on the fence for years on the subject of human caused global warming. But after listening to both sides, what finally convinced me that it was real was the blatent lies, distortions, and outright confusion expressed by the 'skeptics'. Ironic. BTW, have all you 'skeptics' out there come to an agreement about whether to planet is getting warmer or not? Cause ya'll still seem to be very confused on that key point.

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    • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 26, 2007 12:56 pm ET)
         

      a quick history from Time Magazine.

      "The disciveries of changes n the sun's heat and the southward advance of glaciers in recent years have given rise to conjectures of the possible advent of a new ice age." - Sept 10, 1923

      "Gaffers who claim that winters were harder when they were boys are quite right...weather men have no doubt that the world at least for the time being is growing warmer." - Jan 2, 1939

      "Climatological Cassandras are becomming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age." - June 24, 1974

      "..scientists no longer doubt that global warming is happening. and almost nobody questions the fact that humans are at least partly responsible." - Apri 9, 2001

      ..the cooler winters in the southern hemisphere are a sure indication that the expanding Antarctic ice shelf is not the sole indicator of the comming ice age. - July 4, 2034

      Climate scientists now realize that the returning warming trends of the early century were a part of the natural temperature swings the earth has been experiencing since it's inception.  No one doubts that human activity is responsible as they do indeed inhaabit the planet - however their contribution to the porblem is as substantial as that of the trees, animals, and constantly changing land and oceanic masses.  - August 19, 2059

      (The actual historical references are in quotes)

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      • Author by JimmyCraghorn (October 26, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
           

        Wow,  thank you for that well researched post.  Especially the part where you travel to the future.  After all, who can argue with the future? 

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    • Author by drosenha4868 (October 26, 2007 2:07 pm ET)
         

      Actually, Beck is correct, the hottest temp on record is from 1934.  He even explains that temps have risen faster in the last decade than in any other recorded time.  

      I guess I don't understand what this article is trying to prove, you are trying to argue over anything a conservative says... to be honest this is looking fairly pathetic.

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      • Author by jawill11 (October 26, 2007 2:45 pm ET)
           

        Really? Are you intentionally trying to be boneheaded, and if so, to what end?  As has been repeatedly stated, Beck uses the stat that the highest US temp was in 1934 and applies it to the globe, where 1934 is nowhere near the highest.  Did you really not get that from the post and all the subsequent comments?  If so, that is pretty poor reading comprehention.  If not, what is your point other than to make yourself look stupid?  I really would like to know.

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      • Author by clams casino (October 26, 2007 7:43 pm ET)
           

        Holy crap. How many more conservatives are going to misread this article and then post complete idiocy, all the while pretending that they're the only ones who understand it? Reread it, take your time, go back and read it a third time if necessary, and once you've actually comprehended the basics, then come back and post some more ignorant nonsense for us to shoot down. It's impossible to debate with someone who has absolutely no understanding of what they've just read. Get at least a little bit of a handle on things before you post next time.

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    • Author by pjcarter (October 26, 2007 3:28 pm ET)
         

      This idiot also thinks nuclear energy is clean, safe and cheap.  What a douche. 

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    • Author by Pithaughn (October 26, 2007 5:13 pm ET)
         

      Let me know what you all think. Here is a suggestion for Headline news and other media owners. Instead of just hiring some idiot for your programs (that seems to be your present policy) at some huge salary, follow the lead of FOX.  "Last Pundit Standing" or if you prefer " 'Merica got's punditz". Are you with me still? A team of judges travels around to major citys where auditions are held. The field of contestants is whittled down in various competitions with votes from the public determing the winner(s). At the final show, the winners recieve some cash reward and their own show. The beauty is, with the same amount of salary money they will be able to hire several hosts who may just have some expertise in a certain area. For instance climate change, apparently their is a market for endless discussions about wether climate change is a hoax or it's a hoax that there is not a hoax. And another host could be an expert on the history and intricacies  of Christianity, another hot topic with lots of misinformation floating around.

      If I was a media owner I would also not allow my hosts to appear as a fund raiser for candidates or publish books, or at least not let them constantly, every 30 seconds plug their book, but that is just me. I would want my audience to come away feeling like they learned something new.

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    • Author by robrob (October 27, 2007 11:47 pm ET)
         

      "It has nothing to do with the hippie California environmentalists that won't let you touch the landscape, wont let you clear the brush on the side of the hills where your house is because that's natural -- we don't touch nature."

      In addition to his inability to understand (or at least accurately quote) temperature records, Beck is simply fantasizing that Californian "enviromentalists" prevent brush clearing and are somehow to blame for the fires. In reality they practically begs you to clear your brush from around your home, to create fire safe zones and to practice zeriscape (low water use and fire resistant) landscaping. Next thing you know they are going to blame the fires on al Quada... oh wait, they already did.

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