One day after saying Obama "needs a new attack" against Clinton, Gibson criticized "NBC anchor" for offering advice to Obama
SUMMARY: Fox News' John Gibson criticized an
"NBC news anchor" --
identified by guest Monica Crowley
as MSNBC host Chris
Matthews -- for offering Sen.
Barack Obama advice on what he "needs to say" to
beat Sen. Hillary Clinton,
asking, "Is it legitimate for one news anchor to publicly advise one candidate
on how to beat another, and still try to pretend he's objective and neutral? My
friends, fair and balanced this is not." But the day before, Gibson had offered his
own advice to Obama on how to go after Clinton, asserting: "I think if Obama is going
to close the gap with Hillary, he needs a new attack."
On the October 30 edition of Fox News' The Big Story, host John Gibson criticized an "NBC news anchor" -- identified by his guest, conservative radio host Monica Crowley, as MSNBC host Chris Matthews -- for offering Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) advice on what he "needs to say" regarding Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY). Gibson asserted: "An NBC news anchor actually titled his advice to Barack Obama, quote, 'What Obama needs to say,' end quote, if he wants to beat Hillary Clinton, and then he read the speech he says Obama has to give. Is it legitimate for one news anchor to publicly advise one candidate on how to beat another, and still try to pretend he's objective and neutral? My friends, fair and balanced this is not." On the October 29 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Matthews read a brief statement outlining what he thought Obama "should say starting tomorrow night" about Clinton "at the big MSNBC debate in my hometown of Philly." However, Gibson offered Obama some advice of his own regarding Clinton on the October 29 edition of The Big Story, saying: "When you look at the polls and see he is behind more than 20 points nationally -- and three or four points in the all-important Iowa caucuses -- you'd think Obama could be tougher than that. She has not been candid? That's attacking Hillary? Obama better wake up. That isn't even throwing an elbow." Gibson then asserted: "I think if Obama is going to close the gap with Hillary, he needs a new attack."
Gibson went on to ask Crowley: "So, Monica, what is going on that somebody who's moderating these debates is going on the air and saying, 'Look, this is what one of these candidates has to say to beat another'?" Crowley replied: "Shocking, I know, coming from Chris Matthews."
Gibson's co-host Heather Nauert introduced the October 30 segment by claiming that the "big issue is, once again, liberal bias in the media," adding: "At the same time, a new study says Democrats get not only more coverage in the media, but more positive coverage than Republicans." Neither Nauert nor Gibson noted that the study, conducted by the Project for Excellence in Journalism (PEJ), found that the gap in coverage of Republicans and Democrats was reflected in all the media outlets studied, including "talk radio and Fox News," which "argue they are counterbalancing liberal bias in the media." From the PEJ study, released on October 29:
In the first five months of the campaign, the media found Democrats more newsworthy than Republicans. From January through May 2007, nearly half of 2008 election stories, 49%, focused on Democratic candidates, while less than a third, 31%, focused on Republicans. More than half of this difference can be accounted for by the fact that Democrats started announcing their campaigns a month earlier than Republicans. It is worth noting, however, that the gap existed in other months as well, and also was reflected in all the media platforms studied, including some, such as talk radio and Fox News, that argue they are counterbalancing liberal bias in the media. In three of different news sectors -- morning network shows, evening network news, and talk radio -- the ratio of Democratic to Republican was nearly 2 to 1.
Gibson's attacks on Matthews and NBC are just the latest salvos in an ongoing feud between Fox News and NBC/MSNBC, a conflict Media Matters for America has extensively documented.
From the October 30 edition of Fox News' The Big Story with John Gibson and Heather Nauert:
HEATHER NAUERT (co-host): The big issue is, once again, liberal bias in the media. At the same time, a new study says Democrats get not only more coverage in the media, but more positive coverage than Republicans. One of the moderators of one of this year's Democrat debates actually gave specific advice on his left-leaning MSNBC news show to one of the Democrat candidates on how to beat his opponent.
GIBSON: An NBC news anchor actually titled his advice to Barack Obama, quote, "What Obama needs to say," end quote, if he wants to beat Hillary Clinton, and then he read the speech he says Obama has to give. Is it legitimate for one news anchor to publicly adviser one candidate on how to defeat another and still try to pretend he's objective and neutral in his news presentations? My friends, fair and balanced this is not.
With us now, nationally syndicated radio host Monica Crowley. So, Monica, what is going on that somebody who's moderating these debates is going on the air and saying, "Look, this is what one of these candidates has to say to beat another"?
CROWLEY: Shocking, I know, coming from Chris Matthews. It's really -- it's such a big surprise. Look, everybody knows that Chris Matthews is a Democrat. He worked for Tip O'Neill, he's got a long history in Democratic activism and Democratic politics. And that's fine if he wants to dispense advice to the Democratic presidential candidates as a subjective, opinion-based guy. But to continue to present himself as some sort of objective news anchor is really disingenuous. It's not fair to the audience and -- but this is typical of what's happening in the mainstream media. It's not just MSNBC, it's across the board.
GIBSON: It's NBC in particular. I mean, there's two of them now doing this. Wouldn't you think that the actual moderators of the debates, the news anchors who have to work in the same company under the same peacock, might object to this kind of bias showing up so clearly?
From the October 29 edition of The Big Story:
GIBSON: Obama is staring down the barrels of the Hillary Clinton double-barrel shotgun political machine. She is mowing 'em down, and Obama has finally decided to fight back. Over the weekend, he gave an interview or two attacking Hillary and seeming to dump his above-it-all politics of hope. For instance, he savaged Mrs. Clinton with the observation that she has not been candid in describing her views on critical policy issues.
When you look at the polls and see he's behind more than 20 points nationally -- and three or four points in the all-important Iowa caucuses -- you'd think Obama could be tougher than that. She's not been candid? That's attacking Hillary? Obama better wake up. That isn't even throwing an elbow.
Yes, she's been vague and less than candid. That's because she's already running against a Republican in the general election. Obama doesn't realize she thinks she has already beat him and doesn't have to explain anything for him. So maybe that explains why there is a sudden profusion of newspaper stories that Obama is going to go on the offensive and attack. Maybe he figures he's got to do something before it's too late.
Problem is, he's already staked his reputation on a style of politics that is above it all. And while floating on high hasn't been a winning position, it's what he's known for. Will anybody believe Obama is suddenly tough? Will it matter? If he's playing catch-up, has he jumped into the mud just a little too late? I think if Obama is going to close the gap with Hillary, he needs a new attack. And right now, it is hard to imagine what hasn't already been thrown at her.
From the October 29 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:
MATTHEWS: It's the 11th hour of the fight for the Democratic presidential domination. Barack Obama, do you know where your campaign is? Let's play Hardball.
Good evening. I'm Chris Matthews, and welcome to Hardball. The 2008 election -- that's the spotlight tonight. Iowa, which starts the whole thing January 3, is now a dead heat between Hillary and Obama.
Here's what I think Obama should say starting tomorrow night at the big MSNBC debate in my hometown of Philly. Quote, "This country's in a rut, a rut that leads to endless war in Iraq, that leads to inevitable war with Iran. The American people, and not just the Democrats, want to get our country out of this rut. The great majority of them want this election to take us to a new place, not just led by someone smarter along the same rut. I promise to take us to that new place. Senator Clinton is smart. She's hardworking. She's serious. But every vote she has cast, every word she has spoken says yes to the status quo. She voted to approve the war with Iraq. She just voted with the hawks to target Iran. She always seems to choose the safe vote that leaves this country in the same rut, the rut of fearful politics and endless war. I promise change. I promise a new approach. I promise deliverance from the rut of endless war in Iraq, inevitable war in Iran. So there you have it. It's for you, my fellow Democrats, to decide. If you think Bush would have been succeeded with his policies if they were better executed, then go with Senator Clinton. If you think the Bush policies were wrong, dead wrong, I'm with you."
Well, that's what Senator Obama would say if he wants to really challenge Hillary Clinton for the leadership of the Democratic Party. And tomorrow night, the fight moves to Philadelphia for the big debate at Drexel University, where half my family went to school and I've got an honorary degree. Hardball will be live, 5, 7, and 11, with post-debate coverage.

















This was just a Freudian slip. Gibson is really acknowledging that he's not "fair and balanced" and therefore able to give Obama advice while Matthews is not.
Pretty disappointing as well that Matthews and Gibson both clearly see the presidential race as a game to be won more than a democratic process by which we should be picking our best and most competent leader.
I have long lost hope for Matthews , I do not even consider Gibson a legitimate media type. But you are correct in Matthews, he sees this as a game , thats why he loves Rudy and urine smell disappearing from the subways.
Someone also needs to teach Ms. Nauert some grammar. Democrat is not an adjective.
Not only that Chris Matthew is not an "anchor" either.
Well he does anchor election coverage and significant events like the Ford Funeral (along side Keith Olbermann).
Does Keith have anything to do with this thread? Wait its Sue Kieth has something to do with EVERY thread. Tell the truth, he didnt call you back right?
Chris Matthews is not an achorman any more than Gibson, O'Reilly or Hannity are (and they aren't either). They all traffic in opinions and what is loosely called "analysis" these days.
Is it me or did MMFA just come out and defend Chris Matthews? Has hell froze?
No, it's just a slight chill.
It appears they did, I think only becuase they hate Gibson more.
Sueeld, I am not so sure they are "defending" him just as much calling out the misinformation from Gibson.
Okay, Sue...tonight Keith Olbermann is going to name Chris Matthews Worst Person in the World for his remarks.
Not really, but I thought it might shut you up. ;>)
No, he will name Gibson, and why? Because Gibson works for FOX. Matthews is protected and can be as anti Hillary as he wants.
Sue, I heard Matthews say a couple of weeks ago that he warming up to Hillary.
Matthews is a political junkie so a lot of what he says about politicians is academic. However, he does go in and out of crushes on candidates. He adored Rudy Giuliani for a while...don't know if he still does - probably not, I would guess.
That's an interesting theory, Sue, I don't believe you've ever expressed that observation before.
Well this is pretty silly. Gibson is vaguely offering up some blanket new strategy for Obama, while Matthews is offering direct and specific quotes for Obama to say......not really a valid comparison for MMFA to make. But they just don't like Gibson.
But who cares anyway what either of these political opinionators offer up to any candidate, publicly?
I'm guessing it's Barack Obama who cares. Can't you see him kneeling in front of the teevee, "C'mon Gibson, what the hell am I supposed to say tonight?!? Oh dear God, I'm lost. What does Chris Matthews think I should do? Maybe I can call him up and ask?"
Exactly. Neither Gibson nor Matthews are actually giving Obama any advice, they're just filling their allotted time with meaningless strategy talk as usual. I'm sure we'll hear both of them "give advice" to other candidates later on.
It's not often that I or anyone who reads MMFA often can say "that's really, really weak" but the first part of this item is definitely a weak attempt to make this Fox News nutcase look like a hypocrite. All Gibson is saying is that Barack has to attack Hillary more than calling her out for not being "candid." That's NOT really advice, that's more of an opinion of what a candidate needs to do to win. Advice means something more personal than just plain old opinion (which everyone has of everything).
Furthermore, MM apparently doesn't even realize their own case of hypocrisy is weak when they provide a link to Chris Matthews's speech/advice for Obama. Gibson made a sentence or two's worth of opinion that was not aimed directly at Obama like Matthews's "speech" was. The rest of this item is well-put.
MATTHEWS: "Well, that's what Senator Obama would say if he wants to really challenge Hillary Clinton for the leadership of the Democratic Party."
HYPOTHETICAL ESPN FOOTBALL COMMENTATOR: If the Colts want to beat the Patriots this Sunday then this is what they need to do...
What's the difference? It's called commentary...
Now, which FOX commentator was it last year, on the eve of the 2006 elctions, who said about the Republicans something like "WE can win if..."?
All of them???
Well, we always knew republicans were hipocrites when it comes to matters like giving support. They can say whatever they want, donate to whoever they want, throw fundraisers for whoever they want, but oh, don't let a democratic reporter or blogger have the same rights!
The Assman refered to "we" when talking about Republicans a while back.
If Matthews gave any indication of supporting Obama there'd be a problem but he hasn't and has often speculated what strategy would be best for various candidates.
Now, contrast that with Sean Hannity appearing at a Giuliani fund raiser, either donating his appearance fee or accepting money from the campaign for it, and later interviewing Giulani for his Fox News show without revealing his ties to the candidate.
Rudy will never be the nominee. No one knows how to spell his last name. Giulliani? Guilianni? Guyluanny? I mean they razz Obama for sounding like Osama, but at least it's catchy ya know.
Seriously though, Rudy is probably a sideshow. They can't win without the religious right at this point and going with Rudy would be throwing that crowd under the bus. They've made their bed with them and they need them now. Look for Huckabee as the genuine rightwing heir to Bush or the empty suit Romney who they can paint any face on as long as he's running against Hillary. That would get the righties out to the polls.
If you have trouble with his last name call him "noun, verb, 9/11." Most people will know who you're talking about.
The Republicans probably have no idea who their nominee will be and either do I. Maybe it will be somebody they feel comfortable throwing under the bus ala Bob Dole in '96.
I do know it's unethical for Hannity to appear at a "noun, verb, 9/11" fund raiser then later "interview" him for his Fox News show without revealing his ties to the campaign.
That was an awesome line from Biden.
Don't count on them throwing this election away. I think there are many Republican strategists very gleeful that Democrats think that's the case. You don't throw a token 'Bob Dole' candidate into a race where there is no incumbent. No freakin way.
These people think they were born to rule and count on it, they are doing absolutely everything legal or not, honest or not to ensure that they're going to get another of their scoundrels into the White House. Even if it means pretending that they're afraid of Hillary Clinton getting the nomination because gosh there is no way we could possibly beat her. You think it's a mistake that Hannity is on the air saying things like, "The Democrats need to stop her. Otherwise, she gets to be president." Apparently they just don't want the White House and the next two Supreme Court nominations. They aren't even running I guess.
Do you think they forgot to be devious this year? If the Democrats don't wake up during this nomination this thing is definitely going right back to the GOP.
I think we had this very same discussion last week.
I guess I'm just amazed that Hillary supporters don't seem to comprehend what they are handing to the GOP by nominating her. Her being so tough and unflappable in the face of half the country hating her might impress core Democrats, but it aint going to win the general election. It's the only way we get another president as bad as Bush. We keep giving them the formula for this.
Well dog, I would like Obama, but my wife is going to vote Hillary in a heartbeat. I don't know what % of the female vote is typically democratic, but if she maintains the % among minorities, white males and gays 5% improvement in the female voting block could very well hand her the whitehouse. Just my observation.
For the independent voters this election will be a referendum on Iraq and 2/3rds oppose Bush's policy.
I don't see how all the mudslinging in the world is going to change that.
I compare this election to 1976 where nothing Ford did made much difference after he pardoned Nixon.
Put that together with the fact congressional republicans are the only group more unpopular than W himself and you have the makings of a big change in our government.
It will be a referendum on Iraq only partially if Hillary gets the nomination. It's a lot like Kerry. Her record is too convoluted. "But you voted for the war," we will have to hear 2000 times again. And even more than other Democrats she has supported this war. Even now her platform is to 'End the war in Iraq.' But her promise is to also leave some unknown number of combat troops there to keep fighting against Al-quaeda. In other words to keep fighting the war in Iraq. They're just going to fight al-quaeda? Who the hell IS that? It's any armed group who calls themselves that. What are we going to do? Just shoot at the folks who shoot at us? Basically she is promising nothing and everything. No matter how clever her admirers seem to find this, what those independents will see is a candidate more convoluted than John Kerry. And in spite of her posturing, she won't be running against GWBush. They'll run some empty suit like Romney up there and paint a Reagan face on him for those independants. The truly anit-war crowd hates Hillary because she is essentiall pro-war in spite of some rhetoric so they won't show up to help her. The right will make her into the worst boogywoman turn your daughters into lesbians nightmare the religious goofs could imagine and they WILL end up making it to the polls. Hillary will lose this election if it's against anyone other than Rudy. Even then it would be close. And ugly. Ugly. Ugly.
Do you think they forgot to be devious this year? If the Democrats don't wake up during this nomination this thing is definitely going right back to the GOP. Sundog
I couldn't agree more. At one time I thought the evangelicals would break off because they could not support Rudy for 'moral reasons' but not anymore. Those so called 'christian evangelicals' would sell their soul to the devil, in this case Rudy, to keep the door to power open. That talk about not supporting him and a 'third party' candidate is not going to happen. They will all stick together and Republicans will be as dirty in 2008 as they were in 2006, 2004, 2000.
He would give them most of the judges and Supreme Court Justices they want. That is one of their main objectives in keeping the GOP in the White House as long as possible. I still think Rudy is too troubling for the GOP. I can't help thinking we're going to see the surprise run by Romney or Huckabee just as delegates start getting committed. Look at what Huckabee is doing in Iowa right now. The evangelicals like him plenty.
"... going with Rudy would be throwing that crowd[the religious right] under the bus."- sundog
More specifically, it would be honestly throwing them under the bus, as opposed to the pandering, lying, and then throwing them under the bus that has worked so far.
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Rudy will never be the nominee."--Sundog
There is an "it" factor a winner has that I think Giuliani has, unfortunately. It's hard to describe, I would say it's an ability to connect, to communicate successfully with people on a personal level and partly a vibe given off that he’s very comfortable with himself, which lends an air of authenticity and perceived social dominance---whether merited or not. This is all aside from the positions he takes.
I've heard many Giuliani interviews this year, and he far surpasses Romney who’s rather stiff by comparison. Thompson is much closer, but not at Giuliani's level, he’s a bit aloof. Giuliani puts me in mind of Reagan in this regard. To underestimate his chances at getting the nomination and winning the Presidency would be a mistake.
EDDY on Rudy: It's hard to describe, I would say it's an ability to connect, to communicate successfully with people on a personal level and partly a vibe given off that he’s very comfortable with himself, which lends an air of authenticity and perceived social dominance---whether merited or not.
Eddy, you are absolutely correct, we should not sell Giuliani short.
In my opinion Giuliani is nothing more than a common opportunistic fraud...a garden variety bullsh** artist who will say anything he has to to get elected. And if as the adage goes you can judge a person by the company he keeps look no further than Giuliani's former trusted buddy, the slimeball, Bernie Kerik.
But you are correct, and it is hard to describe in words the intangible factor that makes Giuliani electable. It is the same factor which you describe, a personal ease and approachability, that helped George W. Bush get elected in 2000. That is truly scary considering what an intellectually and temperamentally unqualified, peculiar and even mendacious person Bush turned out to be as President. And Giuliani could turn out to be just as dangerous as Bush as President.
So, as derisive as we are about Giuliani, we should not sell him short. I'm glad you shared your observations and opinion. I hope everyone reads your remarks.
Hey, c'mon. Take it easy on Gibson. At Fakes News, he's used to seeing the marching orders coming FROM the politicians...
Gibson vs. Matthews
An idiot race if ever there was one.
Come to think of it, Tweety may have a slight advantage due to the increased wind resistance of Gibson's huge hair.
Hey, change the hair colors here and I swear it's Ted Baxter and Mary Tyler Moore!
"try to pretend he's objective and neutral in his news presentations? My friends, fair and balanced this is not."
You really have to wonder how detached from planet earth rightwing "journalists" are. They actually believe they can say things like "journalists" should be "objective and neutral", and see no irony whatsoever. It's like Charles Manson complaining that people should be more civil.
Thank God Media Matters is here to constantly expose, with their own words, what shameless, grotesque a-holes Republicans are.
John Gibson found religion! wow. However more to point. Chris Matthews, in his segment yesterday (10/31) stated unequivocally that Hillary Clinton proposed that the undocumented in NY receive valid drivers licenses. Not only is that at LIE, Matthews is demonstrating that his not an unbiased participant but rather a "covert agent" for the Rethuglicans. The more he beats up on Hillary, the more he keeps the Reputhuglicans out of the spotlight. Even his guests, went along with this charade. Where is the honesty in our media?