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Discussing how Bill Clinton may affect 2008 election, Amy Holmes cited May 2005 poll

October 31, 2007 5:07 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On The Situation Room, Amy Holmes asserted that while Bill Clinton is "definitely an asset in the primary" for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, "in the general campaign, it becomes a lot more complicated. Pew did a really interesting poll in May of 2005 where they asked ... the voter would they like to see a Bill Clinton third term. And the majority said no." However, Holmes ignored several 2007 polls finding that a majority of the public thinks that Bill Clinton is an asset.

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On the October 30 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, host Wolf Blitzer asked whether former President Bill Clinton would be an "[a]sset or [a] liability" to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) presidential campaign. CNN senior political analyst Amy Holmes, who is also a Republican strategist, asserted that while Bill Clinton is "definitely an asset in the primary ... in the general campaign, it becomes a lot more complicated. Pew did a really interesting poll in May of 2005 where they asked the -- you know -- the voter would they like to see a Bill Clinton third term. And the majority said no." Holmes added: "So as far as if Hillary Clinton is regarded as a third term for Bill Clinton, that could really hurt her." While speculating on what a 30-month-old poll might mean for Hillary Clinton, Holmes ignored several 2007 polls finding that a majority of the public thinks that Bill Clinton is an asset. A September 25-26 Fox News poll found that 53 percent of respondents thought that of the spouses of seven presidential candidates, Bill Clinton would "would help [his] spouse the most to win the White House." A March 23-25 Gallup poll found that 70 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would do "more good than harm" for Hillary Clinton's campaign. And a February 22-25 Gallup poll found that 70 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would be "mostly helpful ... to her presidency." Additionally, an April 10-12 CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that 60 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would have a "positive effect" on a Hillary Clinton administration.

A more recent Washington Post/ABC News poll, conducted September 27-30, that found that 52 percent of respondents thought Hillary Clinton would "take the presidency in a different direction from her husband's" and that it would be "a good thing." The Washington Post/ABC News poll also found that 15 percent of respondents thought Hillary Clinton would take the presidency in a different direction and it would be a "bad thing." Twelve percent thought Hillary Clinton would "represent a resumption of Bill Clinton's presidency" and it would be a good thing, and 15 percent thought a Hillary Clinton presidency would represent a resumption and it would be a bad thing. Additionally, 60 percent of respondents said they would "personally feel comfortable ... with the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House."

The poll results Holmes cited came form a March 17-27, 2005, poll by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, which Pew released May 10, 2005. Pew's report on the poll said:

Just 27% would like to see [George W.] Bush serve as president for a third term. A majority also opposes a hypothetical third term for Bill Clinton (55%), but significantly more would like to see a third term for Clinton (43%) than for Bush.

Nearly two-thirds of Americans (64%) have a favorable opinion of Bill Clinton, the highest positive rating of 11 political figures tested.

The Situation Room panel also included CNN anchor Jack Cafferty and CNN contributor Roland Martin.

As Media Matters for America noted, Blitzer has previously asked whether a campaign advertisement for Hillary Clinton featuring Bill Clinton was "the act of a supportive husband or a sign the Clinton campaign is feeling desperate," without offering any basis for his suggestion that the Clinton campaign may be "feeling desperate."

From the 7 p.m. ET hour of CNN's The Situation Room on October 30:

BLITZER: We have to take a quick break. We're going to have a lot more with our roundtable coming up including this subject: the Blackwater security controversy. Has the state department promised those convoy guards immunity?

And is Bill Clinton an asset or liability when it comes to his wife's own presidential ambitions?

[...]

BLITZER: All right. Let's talk a little bit about Bill Clinton. Asset or liability, Amy, as far as Hillary Clinton's campaign is concerned, not only for the nomination, but long term?

HOLMES: You know, I think that's an interesting question. I think he's definitely an asset in the primary. I mean, he's very beloved by his party. But I think in the general campaign, it becomes a lot more complicated. Pew did a really interesting poll in May of 2005 where they asked the -- you know -- the voter would they like to see a Bill Clinton third term. And the majority said no. So as far as if Hillary Clinton is regarded as a third term for Bill Clinton, that could really hurt her.

BLITZER: Roland?

MARTIN: I think he's a huge asset, primarily because when President Clinton left office, his approval ratings were still very high. Not only that, you probably have Hillary Clinton or other Democrats who would rather have Bill Clinton on the road campaigning for them than some Republicans wanting President George W. Bush to campaign for them. I mean, he is still the most popular figure in the Democratic Party. Sure, some folks are not going to like him. But the bottom line is, he's a former president who's done a very good job on the international stage. Bottom line, he will be an asset to her campaign.

BLITZER: Jack?

CAFFERTY: Ask Al Gore if he would have been an asset to the campaign. Al Gore would have been president if he hadn't told Bill to take a walk. I think if Hillary gets into the White House, it'll be because of two men. I think people long to have her husband back there for whatever the reason. He is a charismatic guy, politician extraordinaire. And the other man that'll be responsible is President George W. Bush who, I think, has poisoned the waters so dramatically for any Republican that Ronald Reagan couldn't get elected next year.

BLITZER: Amy gets the last word.

HOLMES: I think George Bush will still be a significant fundraiser for a Republican candidate, and I don't think they'll be ashamed of George Bush being on the campaign trail with them.

BLITZER: Amy Holmes --

MARTIN: Oh, he'll be raising money, but they'll be hiding him.

BLITZER: Stand by. Roland Martin, Amy Holmes, Jack Cafferty, excellent discussion, thanks very much.

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    • Author by DEMS_SOL (October 31, 2007 5:12 pm ET)
         

      excellent discussion, thanks very much

      OK - I found the misinformation here!

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (October 31, 2007 5:15 pm ET)
         

      Sounds to me like a case of drawing a conclusion first and then cherry picking only the "evidence" that backs it up...even though the evidence you ignore suggests your conclusion is wrong. Kinda like how Bush presented his case for the Iraq war...

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (November 01, 2007 2:17 am ET)
           

        It was criminally stupid for this reporter to take an old poll about Clinton having a third-term and then somehow remarking that it is relevant to his wife's candidacy. Not only that, but there are a dozen different reasons why people might be against Bill C. having a third term that have nothing to do with whether or not they like him or think it would be good for the country-- such as, it's illegal and absurd.

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    • Author by tommy (October 31, 2007 5:20 pm ET)
         

      Ugh, this poll says this, and that poll said that, and a new poll indicates data to suggest, and another poll tells us, and our new poll just in is good news for, and their latest poll is bad news for............alright already.

      What did these political pundits and watchdog websites do before they had umpteen polls at their disposal to track this sentiment or that mood of the electorate?  They offered up their opinions, maybe slanted or not, and based on their experience and track record we took it for what it was - political strategy for political junkies......and left it at that until election day. 

      Now if someone mis-cites some poll or offers up their opinion that isn't validated by a polling agency, then it's like........"No, you don't!!!.......I have a poll that says otherwise!!!!" 

      Whatever

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      • Author by pete592 (October 31, 2007 5:34 pm ET)
           

        Just do what Fixed Noise does.  When there's no data to support your position, just use, "people are saying...".

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        • Author by tommy (October 31, 2007 5:38 pm ET)
             

          All I know is that I need to get into the polling business, because apparently that's where the big money is.

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    • Author by ahiddensaint764 (October 31, 2007 5:54 pm ET)
         

      at least clinton isn't as bad as this.

      http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=47639

      Police say 58-year-old Tommy Tester urinated in front of children at a car wash while wearing a skirt. He will remain free on bond until an October court hearing.He is also charged with having an open container of alcohol in his vehicle.Tester is a minister of Gospel Baptist Church and works for Christian radio station WZAP, 690 AM. The owner of the radio station, Al Morris, is asking for people to pray for Tester.A report also accuses Tester of offering police officers sexual favors and says an open bottle of vodka and empty oxycodone prescription bottle was found in his car when Tester was arrested Friday.

      and 

      http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3471

       GOP State Rep. Richard Curtis

       [Castagna] state [Curtis] was a “freak.” [Castagna] said that [Curtis] dressed in women’s lingerie during sex. [Castagna] said he used a condom and performed anal intercourse on [Curtis]…. After the sex act was completed [Curtis] told [Castagna] he wanted to perform “bareback sex” on [Castagna because Curtis] did not like the feel of condoms. [Castagna] told [Curtis] that he did not do that, that he didn’t know [Curtis], and that “bareback sex” was unsafe sex and was dangerous. [Curtis] asked [Castagna] “what would it take for you to do it.”

      One final detail: After telling the police absolutely everything, Curtis decides to stop cooperating. Curtis suddenly claims that Castagna must have drugged him and states that he “was so out of it he really didn’t know what happened.” (Yes, that old excuse.) Curtis then tells investigators that, on the advice of his attorney, he can’t tell them what he was doing in Spokane. “I asked Curtis who his attorney was and he stated he could not find the business card and he could not recall his attorney’s name.”

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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (October 31, 2007 6:47 pm ET)
         

      Maybe a 1st term for Hillary Clinton won't be a 3rd term for Bill Clinton.

      But, hey, wait a second...

      It could be a fifth term for Ulysses S. Grant.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (October 31, 2007 7:01 pm ET)
           

        How about prison terms for Bush/Cheney?

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        • Author by conleytgwinn (October 31, 2007 10:28 pm ET)
             

          I think you have nominated the winning ticket - this could pull a Colbert and win on BOTH tickets!

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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (November 02, 2007 12:38 pm ET)
         

      I'll never understand why or how Bill Clinton would be detrimental to Hillary's campain.  The man was elected TWICE, by SOLID (near landslide) majorities in the electoral college both times.

      George Bush (who BTW didn't even win the popular vote 1st time, and had the TWO closest electoral victory margins since Tilden v Hayes) is far more detrimental to EVERY republican candidate than Bill could ever be to Hillary.

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (November 02, 2007 1:47 pm ET)
           

        Sorry, I mispoke.  Closest margins of victory since Hayes:

        Hayes v Tilden: 1

        Bush v. Gore: 5

        WILSON v. HUGHES: 23 (forgot about that one)

        Bush v. Kerry: 35

        So not the two closest, but two of the three closest.  Call me a liberal if you must, just don't accuse me of using misinformation! :) 

        It is still however the narrowest COMBINED margin (40) of any 2-term president. ;)

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        • Author by NiceguyEddie (November 02, 2007 3:53 pm ET)
             

          (OK, I know, I'm being a bit of a geek about this.) 

          BUT... as a percentage of electoral Votes, W. still won by the two narrowest margins in history, aside from Hayes/Tilden.

           

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