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Wash. Post quoted Rep. Putnam saying Bush "longs for" bipartisanship, ignored Putnam's false attacks on Democrats

November 01, 2007 12:45 pm ET

SUMMARY: A Washington Post article quoted House Republican Conference chairman Adam Putnam saying that President Bush "sort of longs for those days [as Texas governor], when both sides were genuinely interested in getting along and getting a deal." But the Post did not note the many instances in which Putnam himself has leveled false and baseless accusations against his Democratic colleagues.

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An October 31 Washington Post article on the White House's "conclu[sion] that President Bush cannot do much business with the Democratic leadership" reported that, in a recent meeting with congressional Republicans, Bush "recalled how he had been able to work with Democrats when he was Texas governor." The Post then quoted House Republican Conference chairman Adam Putnam (FL) saying that Bush "sort of longs for those days, when both sides were genuinely interested in getting along and getting a deal." However, while quoting Putnam on the lack of "genuine[] interest in getting along" among congressional Republicans and Democrats, the Post did not note the many instances in which Putnam himself has leveled false and baseless accusations against his Democratic colleagues.

From the October 31 Post article:

The White House plans to try implementing as much new policy as it can by administrative order while stepping up its confrontational rhetoric with Congress after concluding that President Bush cannot do much business with the Democratic leadership, administration officials said.

According to those officials, Bush and his advisers blame Democrats for the holdup of Judge Michael B. Mukasey's nomination to be attorney general, the failure to pass any of the 12 annual spending bills, and what they see as their refusal to involve the White House in any meaningful negotiations over the stalemated children's health-care legislation.

White House aides say the only way Bush seems to be able to influence the process is by vetoing legislation or by issuing administrative orders, as he has in recent weeks on veterans' health care, air-traffic congestion, protecting endangered fish and immigration. They say they expect Bush to issue more of such orders in the next several months, even as he speaks out on the need to limit spending and resist any tax increases.

The events of recent weeks have "crystallized that the chances of these leaders meeting the administration halfway are becoming increasingly remote," said White House spokesman Tony Fratto.

Bush himself has been complaining more and more bitterly about congressional Democrats in recent weeks. In a private meeting yesterday with House Republicans in the East Room of the White House, Bush recalled how he had been able to work with Democrats when he was Texas governor and said he had hoped to find the same relationships in Washington.

"He sort of longs for those days, when both sides were genuinely interested in getting along and getting a deal," said Rep. Adam H. Putnam (R-Fla.), the chairman of the House Republican Conference, who helped organize yesterday's White House meeting, attended by about 150 Republicans.

The president offered more criticism after the session. "Congress is not getting its work done," Bush said. "We're near the end of the year, and there really isn't much to show for it."

Putnam was foremost among House Republicans who, in February, attacked House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) for her purported request for use of a military jet to travel between Washington, D.C., and San Francisco. Putnam accused Pelosi of "an arrogance of extravagance that demands a jumbo jet that costs $22,000 an hour to operate to taxi her and her buddies back and forth to California." In fact, there was no evidence Pelosi ever made such a request, as Media Matters for America noted. Putnam himself "acknowledge[d] he had no personal knowledge" of Pelosi making such a request, according to a February 20 Tampa Tribune article. The Post has glossed over Putnam's Pelosi/plane falsehood before. During an April 6 washingtonpost.com discussion, Post congressional reporter Lyndsey Layton said that she had originally noted Putnam's baseless accusation in the lead paragraph of her April 6 profile of Putnam, but "it was sliced from the final version because the editor felt the reference was dated."

Further, in an August 3 House Republican radio address, Putnam claimed that Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC) said during a July 30 interview "that good reports" from Iraq "are, and I quote, 'a real big problem for Democrats,' " adding: "Congressman Clyburn's remarks were indefensible -- they were an affront to our service members and they revealed an unfortunate truth: that Democrats are politically invested in failure in Iraq." As Media Matters documented, however, Clyburn actually said -- in an interview with Post reporters Dan Balz and Chris Cillizza -- that a report by Gen. David Petraeus that the military effort in Iraq "is working very, very well at this point" and that "we would be foolish to back away from it" would cause "those 47 Blue Dogs ... to want to stay the course, and if the Republicans were to remain united, as they have been, then it would be a problem for us" - meaning that a recommendation from Petraeus against withdrawal would have impeded Democrats' efforts to garner support in Congress for legislation to begin withdrawal, not that Democrats are "politically invested in failure in Iraq," as Putnam claimed. Indeed, Clyburn went on to say: "None of us want to see a bad result in Iraq. If we are going to get in position to yield a good result, I think Democrats want to see that."

Putnam was also among the many congressional Republicans and conservative media figures to falsely characterize Democrats' Iraq plans as "their slow-bleed strategy." As Media Matters documented, the phrase "slow-bleed" was first used to characterize Democratic Iraq strategy in a February 14 Politico article. This characterization was immediately adopted by the Republican National Committee, which cited the Politico article to falsely claim that Pelosi and Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) call the Democrats' strategy "their 'slow-bleed' plan." In a February 16 article, however, the Politico confirmed that the phrase was its own formulation and "was not a term used by any Democrats or the anti-war groups supporting their efforts." Nonetheless, Putnam repeated the distortion in media appearances long after the Politico acknowledged its role in creating it.

For instance, Putnam referred to the "Democratic slow-bleed plan" on the March 29 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:

TUCKER CARLSON (host): You know, people are mad at Bush. And, so, why wouldn't Democrat -- why wouldn't Republicans, rather, conservative Republicans, distance themselves publicly from the president? There's no shame in that, is there?

PUTNAM: Well, it depends on why you're -- why you're distancing yourself.

CARLSON: Right.

PUTNAM: If you have some principled disagreement with where the president is going, that's one thing.

CARLSON: Yes.

PUTNAM: But we remain united in our effort to support our troops who are in harm's way, as opposed to the Democratic slow-bleed plan.

So, there's an example of where we are sticking together as House Republicans for something that we think is important to the security and safety of our troops, who are out there protecting us day in and day out, and -- and pushing freedom out beyond its traditional frontiers.

Putnam also used the term to describe the Democrats' Iraq strategy during an appearance on the March 29 edition of Fox News' The Big Story with John Gibson:

JOHN GIBSON (host): Republican Congressman Adam Putnam of Florida is with me now. Congressman Putnam, Nancy Pelosi cobbled together this bunch of Democrats, some of which didn't want to vote for this, others that did, obviously -- but are they ignoring reasonable warnings about what's going on? Are they pressuring the Iraqis to do what's right, or are they essentially dictating defeat for the U.S.?

PUTNAM: Well, they are doing what they said they would do, which is unveiling a different version of their slow-bleed strategy where they hamstring our commanders on the ground, they try and dictate the decisions that are being made thousands of miles from Washington D.C. in an effort to keep their own fragile caucus taped together and using baling wire and basically the pork that they loaded onto this bill, in order to have some charade of unity.

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    • Author by nerzog (November 01, 2007 12:51 pm ET)
         

      Whenever a Republican kvetches about the lack of "bipartisan spirit" in Washington, I have to laugh. Apparently their memory only goes back to November of 2006.

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    • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 12:54 pm ET)
         

      What is the misinformation here?  Is MMFA saying Bush is lying about what he "longs for"? Just because there is still bitter bickering doesn't mean that people from both sides would rather not be engaged in it.

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      • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 1:04 pm ET)
           

        That the WP failed to point out that Putnam is a disingenuous messenger.  That he is in fact one of those whose attacks decrease the incentive for the Dems to play ball.

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        • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 1:06 pm ET)
             

          He was conveying Bush's wishes, he was not defending or even speaking of his own behavior.

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          • Author by snoopy (November 01, 2007 1:11 pm ET)
               

            Oh, please. Bush wishes for bi-partisanship like florida wishes for hurricanes.

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            • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 1:15 pm ET)
                 

              Unlike the Democrats, who live for bipartisanship.

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              • Author by foghornleghorn (November 01, 2007 1:21 pm ET)
                   

                "But we remain united in our effort to support our troops who are in harm's way, as opposed to the Democratic slow-bleed plan."

                Yeah, that's bi-partisan, allright.

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                • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 1:24 pm ET)
                     

                  The point is what Bush says he "longs for", not what this Congressman has said in the past. Obviously he was asked about the meeting and he responded with his impressions, that's it.

                  No misinformation. 

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                  • Author by snoopy (November 01, 2007 1:28 pm ET)
                       

                    Bush is proven to be a serial liar on the subject of bipartisanship. He can say the word all day, but history says his version of bipartisanship is to pass bills exactly as he wants them no changes whatsoever. And he's definitely not interested in passing anything the democrats want, ever.

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                  • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 1:33 pm ET)
                       

                    Tommy

                     MMFA does not want any stories about Bush or other Republicans to be positive, mentioning things like "bipartisanship".  Bipartisanship is not something MMFA or the Democrats want. That went out the door long ago. 

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                    • Author by foghornleghorn (November 01, 2007 1:39 pm ET)
                         

                      Isn't it questionable that the Repubs are all for bi-partisanship now that they've lost the majority?

                      Where was all this bi-partisanship in the past 6 years?

                      Oh, the hypocrisy!

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                    • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (November 01, 2007 1:42 pm ET)
                         

                      "Bipartisanship is not something MMFA or the Democrats want. That went out the door long ago."

                      If you could at least give a couple of examples of the Republicans reaching across the aisle when they controlled both the legislative and executive branches during the years 2000-06 your charge might rise above the level of misinformed opinion.

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                      • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 1:49 pm ET)
                           

                        There is no example, because the Republicans do not want bi partisanship either. That is why America is on the downturn and we are in major need of a legitimate 3rd party.

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                        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (November 01, 2007 2:07 pm ET)
                             

                          If you'd just read to the end of the WP article MMFA linked to, lo and behold, you'll find:

                          "While Bush castigated Democrats for lack of productivity, congressional Republicans have had their own reasons for moving slowly. On SCHIP, for example, they have said that both sides could reach a deal if the Democratic leadership would slow down and let negotiations proceed.

                          GOP Sens. Charles E. Grassley (Iowa) and Orrin G. Hatch (Utah) personally appealed to Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) for a delay yesterday. Reid agreed and asked the Senate to put off consideration of the latest version of the bill to let bipartisan talks continue. This time, Senate Minority Whip Trent Lott (R-Miss.) objected to the move."

                          There's a very real example of the Democrats attempt at bipartisanship for you.

                          How different is this than Bill Frist threatening the "nuclear option" to get legislation moving?

                          Now let's see if the obstructionist Republicans are sincere this time or are just playing for time.

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                          • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 2:30 pm ET)
                               

                            Johnny I am not defending the Republicans they are extremely partisan, however our nation is tainted with partisan hatred and division that both parties share equal blame.  If you want to blame only Republicans be my guest, that is part of the problem and the hate partisan cycle will continue.

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                            • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (November 01, 2007 2:33 pm ET)
                                 

                              I've given you an example of the Democrats reaching across the aisle.

                              You can't give me an example of the Republicans doing the same during 2000-06 when they controlled 2 branches of government.

                              Why do you persist in the lie that both parties are equally responsible?

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                              • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 2:40 pm ET)
                                   

                                You can't give me an example of the Republicans doing the same during 2000-06 when they controlled 2 branches of government

                                Because I am not here to defend the Republicans I find them reprehensible. Why is it that if you DARE question a Democratic Congress you are automatically an evil Republican? are you that blinded by partisanship? If you do not see the need for America to have a 3rd party and break the stranglehold of gridlock and hate than you are asking for the same crap we had in the 90s , the hate will go toward the Democratic president and the parade will continue. But play the partisan games, the 2 parties want you too.

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                                • Author by RoberttheP (November 01, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Well said Sue Eld!!!!!!!

                                   

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                                • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (November 01, 2007 2:52 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Buying into the far right propaganda that both sides are equally responsible for the lack of bipartisanship IS defending the Republicans whether you realize it or not. You are swallowing one of their talking points hook, line and sinker.

                                  No I'm not blinded by partisanship.

                                  You just haven't shown me anything but a misinformed opinion to support your point of view.

                                  I repeat, the Democrats have attempted more bipartisanship in 10 months than the Republicans did in 6 years.

                                  If you can disprove that with some facts I welcome your reply.

                                  If you want to admit your opinion is not as well informed as it should be I welcome that too.

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                                • Author by DorisRussell (November 01, 2007 3:01 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Sueeld , you make some valid points. I know I have been frustrated with our government for many years now and you are correct partisanship and division goes back to both parties (The Republicans are worse than the Democratic Party) but both share blame. I have longed for a day when a 3rd party could take some control, both parties do suffer from an Arrogance of Power. However until that happens I look at who will help Americans more despite the division,fighting and it is the Democratic Party.

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                                  • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 3:07 pm ET)
                                       

                                    Thank you Doris, I agree about the Republicans . It bothers me that some on here do not want an honest debate and do not want to look at things without the partisan glasses. They feel "You must never say anything bad about Democrats". I say BS. America is suffering because of the two party system, we need a 3rd party. We need the BS to stop.

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                                    • Author by DorisRussell (November 01, 2007 3:12 pm ET)
                                         

                                      America is suffering because of the two party system, we need a 3rd party. We need the BS to stop.

                                      Amen sister. But until that happens the choice is clear the Democratic party is a clear better choice for the American people.

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                                      • Author by webprogrammer (November 01, 2007 3:40 pm ET)
                                           

                                        Agreed with both of you. And a 3rd party will happen eventually, but not until third party hopefuls learn the first rule of construction:

                                        You can't build the penthouse first and then work your way down. You have to start by building a foundation and then work your way up. In the meantime, the first priority for me is to try to stop the atrocities and take the classroom back from the children. Once we get the jackals back in their cages, then I will help you with the foundation for a 3rd party locally.

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                                        • Author by foghornleghorn (November 01, 2007 3:55 pm ET)
                                             

                                          A 3rd party is a pipe dream.  It will take the combined resources of 100 Bill Gates to make it viable.

                                          The entrenched power structure will not allow it to happen.  Better to work for change within the confines of the current system.

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                                          • Author by DorisRussell (November 01, 2007 4:09 pm ET)
                                               

                                            I agree , but its a nice dream but in the meantime we do have to work in the current system and make sure we never have a GW Bush again as President. So much damage done.

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                                          • Author by RoberttheP (November 01, 2007 4:55 pm ET)
                                               

                                            Thats why I was wishing Bloomberg would enter the race, make them all more honest.

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                                    • Author by MHK (November 01, 2007 4:03 pm ET)
                                         

                                      "It bothers me that some on here do not want an honest debate and do not want to look at things without the partisan glasses."

                                      John asked you a legitimate question and asked you to cite an example to support your opinion.  Instead of giving him an answer your saying he isn't interested in honest debate and that he's so partisan he cannot look at the situation clearly. 

                                      Doris I was under the impression that you didn't like this type of discourse and called people out on it?   

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                                      • Author by DorisRussell (November 01, 2007 4:07 pm ET)
                                           

                                        Doris I was under the impression that you didn't like this type of discourse and called people out on it?   

                                        That was Sueelds opinion, it was not disrespectful or abusive.  I agree with her statement about a need for a 3rd party, I find nothing disrespectful with that. 

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                                        • Author by MHK (November 01, 2007 4:14 pm ET)
                                             

                                          "It bothers me that some on here do not want an honest debate and do not want to look at things without the partisan glasses."

                                          So the above comment is about having a 3rd party and not about SueEld avoiding answering John's legitimate question? 

                                           Got cha...

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                                          • Author by DorisRussell (November 01, 2007 4:17 pm ET)
                                               

                                            MHK

                                            That is up to Sueeld to answer not me, I agreed with the premise. Why the combativeness today? 

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                                            • Author by MHK (November 02, 2007 9:53 am ET)
                                                 

                                              Doris,

                                              Your support of her comments rubbed me the wrong way.  If you were only commenting on her 3rd party statement then fine, I agree three parties would be very beneficial to our political system, but it didn't come off that way when I first read it.

                                               SueEld dodged answering a legitimate question from another poster.  Instead of answering, she accused them of not wanting honest debate and proceeded to paint them as a too partisan.

                                              When I saw "amen sister"  I assumed you were agreeing with all of her comments.  If not, my bad.  

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                                          • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 4:42 pm ET)
                                               

                                            I did not answer the question because John was trying for some reason to side with the Repugs. Just becuase I want a 3rd party does not mean i am a republican. Those attacks are old and partisan.

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                                            • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 4:43 pm ET)
                                                 

                                              I mis typed I meant John was trying to have me side with the Repugs, he was debating with me as though I was a republican which as everyone knows I am not. 

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                                              • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (November 01, 2007 4:49 pm ET)
                                                   

                                                However, you did support the Republican fiction that "both sides are equally to blame" for the lack of bipartisanship.

                                                So what's the difference what you call yourself?

                                                After all, O'Reilly calls himself an independent too.

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                                                • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 4:52 pm ET)
                                                     

                                                  Oreilly is as independent as George Bush

                                                   If you do not want to face the facts that the system is broken as I said earlier keep playing the partisan game, that will get us healthcare for all .

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                                              • Author by MHK (November 02, 2007 9:43 am ET)
                                                   

                                                Really?  I see the situation differently.  Why would you assume that just because you state that you dislike "Repugs" (a very partisan comment btw) that you would be inoculated from being questioned on an argument your trying to make?   Johnny was asking you a specific question to support your argument, which your refused to answer, and instead you took a cheap shot at him to cover up your lack of an answer.

                                                I find it hilarious that the response your would choose to someone asking you a legitimate question to back up your statement would be to accuse them of not wanting "honest debate".    

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                                                • Author by Sueelldd (November 02, 2007 11:16 am ET)
                                                     

                                                  I think you are looking for an argument from me, and it is just not there. I support a 3rd party if that is biased so be it. And yes I am biased I do not like Repugs, but I am not in the media . 

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                                • Author by NiceguyEddie (November 02, 2007 12:24 pm ET)
                                     

                                  I've been drawn to the idea of a 3rd party at various times, but I've come to the conlcusion that it won't work. 

                                  Here's why:

                                  Let's say that someone like, say, Ralph Nader creats a real left-wing party (oh yeah, that actually happened!) But let's say it actually WORKED this time.  All it would do is split the progressive vote and guarentee the 'Pubs win a pluraity, keeping the same influence they had 1994-2006.  (And in all but 2 elections in the past quarter century.)

                                  Conversly the same would happen if, say, James Dobson starts a super-right wing party.  Conservative votes are split, and the Dem's are guarenteed the same plaurality.

                                  Now, while I hope that what happens in THIS ELECTION, I really wouldn't want ANY party to continually dominate in the long term.  Regardless of what they stood for when elected, if they didn't have to worry about keeping their jobs, they wouldbe corrupted over time.  (This is true of ALL parties.)

                                  So THREE parties wouldn't really work. And if you had all FOUR (with BOTH of the ones described above, for example) then you'd still really only have TWO.  (The voting blocks would still be roughly what they are now.)  Or worse - two of the four would end up joining forces and you'd be back to THREE.

                                  So be careful what you wish for - GRIDLOCK is not always bad.  PROGRESS is not inherently good.  It's only good if you're heading in the right direction.  Personally, I'm hoping for mountains of gridlock from now until November 2008.  (Just like the Republicans did from 1994-2006.)

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                                  • Author by peace4all (November 02, 2007 2:19 pm ET)
                                       

                                    The trouble here is with the premise that a 3rd party would have to be either more to the left or to the right. what we need is a third party that is truly centrist. the truth is that both parties want to have the country view thing their way. a centrist party would understand that the people of this country are not all for the left or for the right. what is needed is true leadership and to accomplish that what we need are people we elect to listen to the concerns of ALL the people and then to weigh the arguments from both sides and make the decision based the merits of those arguements. the trouble with the current system is that for the most part our elected officials only listen to others of like mind and instead of listening to the merits of the arguement from the other side they only look for ways to spin it to make it seem there are no good points except for their own. a 3rd party is a viable option if WE THE PEOPLE would pay attention to whats best for out country instead of being distracted by shiney things like paris, britteny and all the other useless stuff the media uses to distract us.

                                    just my 2 bits, flame away if you must :)

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                                    • Author by NiceguyEddie (November 02, 2007 3:06 pm ET)
                                         

                                      Ouch.  You got me! 

                                       You are absolutely correct.  And very well spotted on the flaw in my analysis.  I'm a centrist myself, so I totally agree with where you're coming from.  I guess my choice of more extreme 3rd party examples betrays my cynicism about the whole thing.

                                      On the other hand, I'd be willing to bet that the extreme elements are more likely to break off of either end than the moderates are to break away from BOTH sides and join together.  So while my argument WAS a total strawman, I hold that it may be a more realistic scenario than what you are describing.

                                      NOW DON'T GET ME WRONG! You are correct that a 3rd, Centrist, Party is what we NEED.  But, sadly, I think the likelyhood of such a party even forming, let alone getting a single electoral vote, in my lifetime, is slim to none, at best.

                                      (What do you think of the Libertarians? (Putting aside that the party couldn't get off the ground with an airplane)  But seriously... Fiscally Conservative, Socially Liberal... On the surface, that sounds like a lot of the moderate Dem's & Pub's that I know.  For better or worse, the party's a pipe dream though.)

                                           There once was a man from Nantucket

                                           Who wanted to sell me a bucket

                                           But he could not because

                                           There were too many laws

                                           So he threw up his hands and said...

                                           VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

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                        • Author by IRONY 101 (November 01, 2007 2:13 pm ET)
                             

                          Sue, I definitely think Rep. Adam Putnam should be Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in the World tonight.  ;>)

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                          • Author by Sueelldd (November 01, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
                               

                            How much you want to bet he makes the list?;-)

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                            • Author by IRONY 101 (November 01, 2007 3:16 pm ET)
                                 

                              Sue, I am so happy that you have seen the light and come to embrace Keith Olbermann. I'm sure Keith would be pleased to hear the news, too.  ;>)

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              • Author by Marker (November 01, 2007 4:50 pm ET)
                   

                We Democrats live for the complete annihalation of repugs.

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          • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 1:24 pm ET)
               

            True, however, the gist of the story is then that Bush would work with Congress if not for the Dems obstinance.  This ignores Bush's long history of saying he desires bipartisanship while demonstrating virtually none.  It also ignores that the messenger who paints this surreal picture has a history of partisan attack.

            Polictics is typically partisan but the WP failed to illustrate the complete picture.

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            • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 1:38 pm ET)
                 

              The article is written from the WH's point of view, just as others would be from the Congressional point of view.....anybody who reads it clearly knows that and can make up their own mind who is more partisan.  And even that isn't the stickler here for MMFA, which I still can't figure out what that is?

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              • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 1:59 pm ET)
                   

                The article is written from the WH's point of view.....anybody who reads it clearly knows that and can make up their own mind who is more partisan.

                I think you just made MMFA's point.

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                • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 2:00 pm ET)
                     

                  If the Post did an article on Nancy Pelosi, whose point of view would that be?

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                  • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 2:16 pm ET)
                       

                    Is there some part of the "WH's point of view" (as opposed to say the "journalist's"), that is unclear to you?

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                    • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 2:21 pm ET)
                         

                      If you don't understand this, I can't help you.  When journalists do an article on anyone, fair or biased, it is from that "anyone's" point of view - perhaps their direct quotes, experiences........and points of view.   It doesn't mean it's unfair, or god forbid, unkind to Democrats.

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                      • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
                           

                        Then consider me helpless, however I think it might be projection on your part.  You conflate journalism - the objective reporting of news and information with opinion journalism - the unobjective reporting of news and information.

                        If you don't understand that the WP shouldn't be in the he said/she said business (except on the OP/ED page), then I really can't help you.

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                        • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 2:28 pm ET)
                             

                          So please explain to me why this article belongs on the OP/ED page?  And what is it about this article that is not straight reporting, as opposed to an opinion?

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                          • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 2:33 pm ET)
                               

                            Reread the MMFA headline to the article.

                            Maybe more to the point, you stated the article was from the WH point of view.  How do you personally differentiate between this article and a WH press release? And at what point do you consider either to cross over to being defined as propaganda?

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                            • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 2:38 pm ET)
                                 

                              You didn't answer either question, but that is fine.

                              Perhaps you shouldn't let your obvious disguist with the Republican Congressman's statements on Bush's "longing" cloud your judgement when it comes to evaluating this article's fairness. 

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                              • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 2:51 pm ET)
                                   

                                I answered both your questions in the first sentence.  And I am not disgusted by the Congressman's statement.  As I stated earlier, politics are partisan.  MMFA's whole point, that you continue to deny is that this article was slanted.  The Congressman attempts to paint Bush as "bipartisan" and the WP reported it uncritically. If you don't get that by now, you won't.

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                                • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 3:00 pm ET)
                                     

                                  No, the article absolutely does not paint Bush as "bipartisan" - perhaps that is the problem, your reading comprehension. 

                                  The article clearly states that according to a Congressman, Bush sort of "longs" for the Texas days when he got along with Democrats.  It in no way says he is bipartisan.  Better read it again.

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                                  • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 3:07 pm ET)
                                       

                                    "both sides were genuinely interested in getting along and getting a deal"

                                    Sounds like, smells like, by golly, I think it just might be . . . .  

                                    I'll let you insert a better word than the one I chose.

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                                    • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 3:18 pm ET)
                                         

                                      Yes, back in his Texas days when that was probably the case, and much easier in Austin than Washington.  

                                      You insert whatever you'd like. 

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                                      • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 4:09 pm ET)
                                           

                                        It is now your reading comprehension that must be questioned:

                                        Putnam stated that Bush "longs" for those days as in "desires a return to".  Also, I did not say that the article painted Bush as bipartisan.  The article stated Putnam's claim that Bust longs to be bipartisan again without further/critical examination.

                                        Since you didn't answer my questions, is your response "uncle"?

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                                        • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 4:52 pm ET)
                                             

                                          You are spinning your wheels.  You say the article did not contradict or critically examine Bush's "longing", but neither does MMFA - they point to the Congressman's nonpartisan statements, which is totally irrelevant to some "longing" that Bush has for his Texas days of getting along with the other party.

                                          I have no clue what your point is anymore, sorry. 

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                                          • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 5:17 pm ET)
                                               

                                            Congressman Putnam's statements were NOT non-partisan.  He intended to paint a picture of President Bush longing for a return to bipartisanship with the Congress but that it is the Democrats who stand in the way.  The WP reported this UNCRITICALLY notwithstanding the long history of Bush's explicit partisanship.  That is MMFA's point, that is my point. 

                                            You are all over the map on this (WH point of view, longing meaning back in TX not DC, point of view meaning someone other than the reporter) and are being either obsequious or obtuse, but since I've explained this about 7 times, I'm done.

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                                            • Author by tommy (November 01, 2007 5:36 pm ET)
                                                 

                                              I meant they point to the Congressman's partisan statements, not non-partisan, my bad - I apologize for that.  

                                              However, as I said, his partisan statements in the past are of no relevance to Bush's "longing" for the Texas days of nonpartisanship of old.....yet you want to make them so, but they are not.  And that is what the Post reports when they quote Putnam's impressions of Bush.  So for them to be critical of that in and of itself is ridiculous, and unnecessary and immaterial to their report here.

                                              Done. 

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                              • Author by tbone (November 01, 2007 2:57 pm ET)
                                   

                                Further, you didn't answer my questions.

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                        • Author by MHK (November 01, 2007 2:32 pm ET)
                             

                          T-Bone

                          Your point is dead on and very clear.  It's obvious that a real journalist would report  this story in an impartial manner and would list facts to support both sides or at the very least list their attempt to find those facts.

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    • Author by foghornleghorn (November 01, 2007 1:05 pm ET)
         

      OK, if he longs for his days as Texas governor, let's send him back down there.

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (November 01, 2007 1:20 pm ET)
         

      "President Bush 'sort of longs for those days [as Texas governor], when both sides were genuinely interested in getting along and getting a deal.'"

      My appreciation of the way government operates in Texas the excutive branch is not as powerful as the legislative branch. As governor, Bush was forced to work with Democrats in the state legislature.

      Until this year, as President Bush previously enjoyed the luxury of a rubber stamp Republican Congress that was subjected to rigid discipline by Republican Party leaders (think Tom "The Hammer" DeLay, Karl Rove, etc.). As President, Bush was never required to compromise on anything...until now. Additionally, Bush took advantage of thecircumstances and grabbed more and more executive powers (some say unconstitutionally) like a power hungry monarch. He became accustomed to being king. And therein lies the problem.

      Bush won't compromise...it's his way or no way. Do his recent petulant outbursts (Keith Olbermann's description) demonstrate a willingness to genuinely work with Congress in a "give and take" spirit to move forward with legislation imporatnat to Americans? Any suggestion that Bush is willing to compromise is simply not believable.

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      • Author by rms (November 02, 2007 12:58 pm ET)
           

        And even his working with the legislature must come into question.

        When asked in the 2000 debate against Al Gore for an example of his claim to be a uniter and not a divider, he cited his ability to bring both sides together for a Patient's Bill of Rights in Texas, when, in fact he VETOED that legislation at first and it was resubmitted with a veto-proof majority.  He signed it this time.  Great work, Governor.

        To suggest that this man has ever had any interest in compromise is to ignore reality.

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      • Author by JessWonderin (November 02, 2007 1:23 pm ET)
           

        Finely some one states the facts . .  the Texas Governor is a figurehead, Parade Grand Marshall position with the real power brokers in the gerrymandered legislative branch - the greatest impact Gerorge had was the 15 minutes or so spent on death sentence reviews - aside from the mocking.

        Personally, I long for a time when the PRESIDENT worked to compromise with the Legislative Branch to get programs and policy that benifited the PEOPLE and enhanced the American world position . . . this current "my way or the highway" mentality supported by a rubber stamp Republican Congress has destroyed the Constitution, Treasury and international stature . . .

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    • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (November 01, 2007 1:26 pm ET)
         

      This stinks like a death row conversion.

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    • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (November 01, 2007 2:05 pm ET)
         

       Is MMFA saying Bush is lying about what he "longs for"? Just because there is still bitter bickering doesn't mean that people from both sides would rather not be engaged in it.

      LOL, "The Decider" longs for "bipartisianship"? Is this a joke?

      BULL SH*T. This President does not long for "bipartisianship", he's at his happiest, being the "decider" and his Republicans members are happy being the sheep that follow, with a few exceptions. Junior and Putnman DO NOT long for bipartisianship!

      What has Junior compromised on in 6 years? Nothing!. He had a Republican controlled congress for 4 straight years and what he wanted and they wanted, they passed. There was no discussion on spending. Republican congressional members decided what toys they wanted and they bought them, with tax payers money. Junior decided what laws he wanted and they passed them. There was not ONE thought for "checks and balances" in the government, NOT ONE!. Junior signs the "torture ban" law but of course, he adds his "signing statement" which allows him to torture IF he chooses. If a law passed that "Junior the decider" did not want to follow, he simply added a "signing statement". The congress gave him all that HE wanted in the Patriot Act and all THEY wanted was to be kept informed. Seems like a "democratic type government", checks and balances. The "decider" again quietly reneged by adding another "signing statement” decreeing that HE was entitled to deny Congress any information that would “impair foreign relations, national security, yah da yah da yah. Junior announced HE would interpret the law. Junior has added more than 750 “signing statements” to new laws since he took office. He uses the "signing statements" to “routinely nullify" key provisions of laws passed. Sounds like "bipartisanship" alright.

      The current cry of "bipartisanship" is simply for political reasons. Republicans don't want any part of the word "compromise", they don't know the meaning. Now that the Dems control Congress, Republicans want to paint a picture that Dems are the power hungry party, Dems won't comprise. BULL SH*T!

       

       

       

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (November 01, 2007 2:18 pm ET)
           

        Pearlene, I love a woman who can say BULLSH*T with just the right intonation and emphasis, and at the right time, for maximum impact and effect.

        I'll bet you have pretty eyes, too... <sigh>    ;>) 

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    • Author by webprogrammer (November 01, 2007 3:59 pm ET)
         

      In the Republican dictionary, cooperation is defined as:

      V. co-op-er-ay'-shun

      1. I tell you what to do, and you do it.
      2. I tell you what to think, and you think it.
      3. I tell you where to defecate, and you ask, "How high and what color?"

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    • Author by robrob (November 02, 2007 11:47 am ET)
         

      "President Bush 'sort of longs for those days [as Texas governor], when both sides were genuinely interested in getting along and getting a deal.'"

      I guess there are no atheists in a foxhole and no partisans in Congress when it's your party lagging in the polls. 

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    • Author by john henry (November 02, 2007 1:46 pm ET)
         

      From 2001 to 2007 just when and where did the Republicans or Mr. Bush show any desire for bipartisanship? When Democrats have been bipartisan and or gave the president the benefit of the doubt what use was later made of that. How was Kerry's conditional authorization used? How was the affirmation of General whats his name subsequently used? 

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    • Author by totallynext6230 (November 02, 2007 4:43 pm ET)
         

      Ok - this is not going to be very nice.

      But every time I see Adam Putnam on the TV - I just want to slap him.

      He is just a little pip!  Just snotty, irrespectful and basically a nasty little boy. 

       

       

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    • Author by coldtuna (November 02, 2007 6:57 pm ET)
         

      if you really think putznam and bushbaby are interested in bipartisanship, I have some ocean front property in Utah to sell you.

      Tpo hell with all the right-wingers, and their apologists.

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