Hannity & Colmes guest claimed Clinton "ran ... and hid behind the skirts" at Wellesley
SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, while discussing Sen. Hillary Clinton's performance at the October 30 Democratic debate, Kate Obenshain, the former chairwoman of Virginia's Republican Party, said that Clinton "really revealed her Achilles heel this week, which we've all sort of known, but now everybody knows it, that she does not have consistent positions on issues." She later added, "[I]nstead of coming forward to the American people the next day and saying, 'All right. This is really what I meant,' she continued to obfuscate, and then she ran to Wellesley and hid behind the skirts ... and said, 'Those big ... mean boys were picking on me' ... instead of being able to state her positions."
On the November 2 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, while discussing Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) performance at the October 30 Democratic presidential candidates debate at Drexel University, Kate Obenshain, the former head of Virginia's Republican Party -- identified on the show as being affiliated with the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute -- asserted: "Yeah. It was a disastrous week for Hillary Clinton. There's absolutely no question about that. She really revealed her Achilles heel this week, which we've all sort of known, but now everybody knows it, that she does not have consistent positions on issues." Obenshain later added: "But then, what she did to compound the problem, instead of coming forward to the American people the next day and saying, 'All right. This is really what I meant,' she continued to obfuscate, and then she ran to Wellesley and hid behind the skirts ... and said, 'Those big ... mean boys were picking on me' ... instead of being able to state her positions."
On November 1, two days after the Democratic debate, Clinton spoke at Wellesley College, her alma mater, and during her speech, said: "In so many ways, this all-women's college prepared me to compete on the all-boys club of presidential politics." Nowhere in her speech did Clinton claim that the male Democratic candidates were "picking" on her, as Obenshain stated.
Later in the segment, co-host Alan Colmes stated: "I ... want to correct something that was said, Kate." He continued: "[Clinton] said, 'I don't think they're piling on because I'm a woman. They're piling on because I'm winning.' That's what's happening. ... That's why ... the piling on is happening." Obenshain responded: "She said that after she went to Wellesley and had her little tear-fest that 'the big boys are picking on me.' " Obenshain added: "She said that after the backlash to that, when she realized, 'Oh, this is not going to play too well with the men voters who were saying, 'I want a woman or a man president who's willing to stand up for what they believe in and is not going to cave or cower ... just because they're asked tough questions.' " When Colmes replied, "Well, she is standing up to these people, and you, as a woman, ought to be proud of her," Obenshain countered, "I am not proud of a woman who says, 'Oh my gosh, I can't take it. They're all picking on me.' " As reported by the Associated Press, when speaking to reporters on November 2, Clinton stated: "I don't think they're piling on because I'm a woman. I think they're piling on because I'm winning."
From the November 2 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: All right, let me go to Kate. Bob [Beckel, Democratic strategist], I do love you. I'm not even going to put you on the spot 'cause I -- nobody can defend this. But if -- Kate, here's the problem that Hillary has. She can't answer a question, a simple basic question: on taxes, on legal -- illegal immigrants getting legal driver's licenses. She's already flip-flopped and flailed on Iraq.
OBENSHAIN: Yeah.
HANNITY: She can't answer a question about Iran -- and I'm going to tell you something. I have 15 campaign ads that will make her -- make [Sen.] John Kerry [D-MA] seem like a principled politician by the time this is all done.
OBENSHAIN: Yeah. It was a disastrous week for Hillary Clinton. There's absolutely no question about that. She really revealed her Achilles heel this week, which we've all sort of known, but now everybody knows it, that she does not have consistent positions on issues. And the problem this week was she did it -- she showed her different positions in front of the same audience.
HANNITY: Yeah.
OBENSHAIN: She at least usually does it in front of different audiences, but within a matter of seconds.
But then, what she did to compound the problem, instead of coming forward to the American people the next day and saying, "All right. This is really what I meant," she continued to obfuscate, and then she ran to Wellesley and hid behind the skirts --
HANNITY: Yeah, that was, "Oh, I'm a woman."
COLMES: I've got a --
OBENSHAIN: -- and said, "Those big --
COLMES: I've got a question, Kate.
OBENSHAIN: -- mean boys were picking on me" --
COLMES: I've got a question for you.
OBENSHAIN: -- instead of being able to state her positions.
COLMES: If it's such a terrible week for Hillary Clinton, can you explain to me why she went from a 40- to 24-percent lead over Barack Obama, to after the debate having a 45- to 18-percent? Could you explain how that's a terrible week for Hillary Clinton?
OBENSHAIN: You know what -- you know what Hillary Clinton's problem is: It's in the individual states. And you know that, Alan. In Iowa, she's having to pretend like she's not really in favor of giving these rights --
COLMES: But you're not answering my question --
OBENSHAIN: -- to illegal immigrants. Alan, those national polls --
COLMES: -- 'cause you don't want to face that she's doing better.
OBENSHAIN: -- are fine, but what they -- you've got to look at the individual states that she's facing. But frankly, those polls are not accurately reflecting what is some serious --
COLMES: Of course not.
OBENSHAIN: -- thought that's going --
COLMES: Of course not.
OBENSHAIN: No, that the serious thought --
COLMES: Of course not, Kate.
BECKEL: Kate --
OBENSHAIN: -- about men voters when they're looking at her --
COLMES: Of course not.
OBENSHAIN: Alan, people want --
COLMES: They don't comport with your position.
OBENSHAIN: People want --
COLMES: They don't say, you know --
BECKEL: I don't want to -- Kate, I don't want to -- I don't want to interrupt you. I like you very much, but to say she had a disastrous week -- can I make a point? When you take the three Democratic -- Republican front-runners, Mitt Romney and Rudy Giuliani and [Fred] Thompson, these are mere little boys compared to this woman. She's going to run over them like a hot knife through butter.
[crosstalk]
SEAN HANNITY (co-host): You've got to be kidding me.
COLMES: By the way, how can you --
BECKEL: She's been through more than these punks have ever been --
OBENSHAIN: She seems to be --
BECKEL: -- put together through in their lives.
COLMES: Here's another question, Kate. How can you --
BECKEL: I mean, are you kidding me?
OBENSHAIN: She seems to be --
BECKEL: Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney? Can you imagine these guys --
HANNITY: Yeah, real leaders.
BECKEL: -- as president of the United States? It's Halloween. It's Halloween.
COLMES: I also want to correct something that was said, Kate. She did say -- they're not --
OBENSHAIN: She is quacking --
COLMES: Kate, she said, "I don't think they're piling on because I'm a woman. They're piling on because I'm winning." That's what's happening.
OBENSHAIN: Oh, she said --
BECKEL: Yeah, exactly.
COLMES: That's why --
OBENSHAIN: She said that --
COLMES: -- the piling on is happening --
OBENSHAIN: She --
COLMES: -- and you know it to be true. That's what happens with a front-runner.
OBENSHAIN: She said that after she went to Wellesley and had her little tear-fest that "the big boys are picking on me." She said that after the backlash to that, when she realized, "Oh, this is not going to play too well with the men voters who were saying, 'I want a woman or a man president who's willing to stand up for what they believe in and is not going to cave or cower' " --
COLMES: Yeah.
OBENSHAIN: -- ' "just because they're asked tough questions.' " We do need answers.
COLMES: Well, she is standing up to these people, and you, as a woman, ought to be proud of her.
OBENSHAIN: She -- she ran.
BECKEL: Yeah, I think that --
OBENSHAIN: She -- I am not proud of a woman who says, "Oh my gosh, I can't take it. They're all picking on me."
COLMES: She didn't say that.
OBENSHAIN: She's the front-runner.
COLMES: That's not what she's saying.
BECKEL: I hate to --
OBENSHAIN: She knows --
COLMES: That's not what she said.
OBENSHAIN: She certainly did.
More disgusting lies and smears from Hannity and his fellow FOX liars.
Sueeld, Hannity did not actually say anything the guest did. But this is what we all expect from FOX afterall the election is 1 year away FOX needs to kick it into high gear for GOP Propaganda.
I understand that Doris, but Hannity allowed it. As far as I am concerned it comes out of his mouth.
I understand that Doris, but Hannity allowed it. As far as I am concerned it comes out of his mouth.
And you have to give Alan Colmes some credit for trying to set Kate Obenshain straight. But like so many other conservatives, she did the equivalent of sticking her fingers in her ears and saying "La la la la la" instead of facing the fact that she's wrong - just like conservatives are on so many issues.
Clinton has certainly had some growing pains. Clinton needs to toughen up. I agree with that. But, if you think you're going to get an objective picture of Clinton from FOX news... you're fooling yourself.
For once, Colmes was not a total non-entity. He actually expressed some objections to the scripted play of Obenshain et al. Better yet, some of his objections didn't sound at all like the nerd who got beat up at recess, but more like a co-host, even if 2nd banana.
When one reads the actual words spoken - and MM4A does a great job of transcribing - it becomes painfully clear that most of these talking heads really have nothing to say. Sometimes when one is watching or listening on the radio it is possible to get caught up in the back and forth and not realize that the sound and fury signifies - nothing...
JUSTICE AND TRUTH IN THE USA! - FACT CHECK!
Conservative commentators are going to express conservative opinions.
On this topic I have to make the call AGAINST MMFA for its HRC-style girlish whining.
Of course you do, because you were programmed to do so. But MMFA is correct, Hillary never whined or hid behind a skirt. Y'all just made that up because you can't handle the idea of a woman president.
JUSTICE AND TRUTH IN THE USA! - FACT CHECK!
MMFA is going to monitor, analyze, and correct conservative misinformation.
On this topic I have to make the call AGAINST JandT for his Rudi-style thuggery.
I have this old fashoined opinion that ANY misinformation - liberal OR conservative - is bad.
Too bad that (according to you) liberal misinformation is "good" and only conservative "misinformation" is bad.
Let's see, where is the liberal misinformation? They correctly and completely logged word for word that a conservative "opinion" was nothing more than lies and innuendo when compared to the truth. Please explain how that is misinformation.
Sorry JusticeTruth - I must have mistaken you for a strictly partisan right-wing kook. But now that you explain that you treat both sides equally, it's clear that you're a bi-partisan kook.
WZWRITER - FACT CHECK!
JUSTICETRUTHUS8276 is pulling "facts" out of his butt again.
Why is MMFA continuing to post these topic threads showing Hillary playing the gender card, and portraying herself as the victim? Punctuating this doesn't really help her, it only illustrates how she first can't answer a straight question honestly, and secondly how she uses being a woman to deflect the criticism.
Why is MMFA continuing to post these topic threads showing Hillary playing the gender card, and portraying herself as the victim?
She is not playing the gender card Tommy, the media like FOX is.
Doris,
Speaking at Wellesley about the all-boys presidential club is absolutely inferring that she is at a disadvantage because of her gender......hello, gender card.
Is it true that the presidential club has been "all boys" from the inception of the U.S.?
Why, yes it is.
Is it true that historically there has been a glass ceiling for women to break through if they want to be top dog?
Why, yes it is.
Is it true that Republicans focus more on looks, laughs, dress, color and sex than they do on positions because they can't win on their positions?
Why, yes it is.
Is it true that "playing the gender card" is a Republican attempt to turn the tables because if Hillary wins the Democratic nomination the Republicans can all but kiss the female vote goodbye?
Why, yes it is.
But you will still have Ann Coulter and Michelle Maulkin at your side, they should be able to handle whatever appetites the republicans crave that larry craig can't fill.
She isn't inferring anything of the sort.
That's just a far right talking point.
“in so many ways, this all women’s college prepared me compete in the all boys’ club of presidential politics.”
[link to politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com]
She says she's prepared.
That's not inferring a disadvantage.
What if Obama had made the same statement and instead inserted his race, instead of Clinton inserting her gender. He would be playing the race card, just as she is playing the gender card.
Another far right talking point.
If you can't take issue with it, calling it a talking point really doesn't impress.
Can't take issue with it?
Obama didn't go to an all black college.
What if doesn't get it.
I"m not out to impress you.
You repeat far right talking points without even realizing it.
I wasn't talking about a black college. If Obama said "In so many ways, growing up in an all black neighborhood prepared me to compete in an all white presidential club"......that would certainly be a textbook example of Obama playing the race card.
Whereas this is a perfect example of Hillary playing the gender card. Apparently you aren't too familiar with political card games, are you?
Obama didn't grow up in an all black neighborhood.
That's a figment of your imagination.
Can we deal with facts here instead of far right talking points?
Never mind, if you can't get the simple analogy by now, forget it.
That's right never mind, you can't think beyond far right talking points.
The Media is playing the gender card against her, and treating her as the odd man out in the Presidential Club - which, (Hey, guess what, Tommy?) is all-male. Hillary is not making the issue her genitals - she's responding (and not even responding *much*) to the fact that the outlets that bring her to the American public can't stop looking up her skirt.
Acknowledging that people can't stop talking about the fact that she's female - indeed, the first semi-viable female Presidential candidate - is no more "playing the gender card," than Obama acknowledging that he's the first semi-viable minority candidate is "playing the race card."
Hillary cannot help it the boys handling the media coverage of this campaign cannot stop obsessing about whether or not she's hot enough to spend a few hours in bed with, and thereby let her skirt drive her coverage.
Speaking a Wellesley about the "all-boys presidential club" is like having lunch with your girlfriends. You discuss your boss and what a pain in the a** he is, you discuss your possible promotion and and the fact that you're the one female in line for the job. You also discuss what a group of jerks the men are who you're competing with for the job. It’s like a social setting for women. Only the clueless see it a solely “gender”.
"Punctuating this doesn't really help her..."- tommy
You're right Tommy. And that doesn't help the "MMFA as HRC campaign site" crew either.
FOX will do anything to smear Hillary. By putting on this lowlife and not debating her and allowing her to say these things is typical of FOX and reason why no Democratic candidate should ever appear on the network.
Just another example of the alternate reality on display on Hannity and Colmes.
It doesn't matter what the reality of the situation is.
The far right has their talking points and they're going to get them out there no matter what.
And they use FOX brilliantly.
Actually Fox is the clearinghouse for far right talking ponts and there is nothing comparable on the left.
Why don't you take a page out of fellow liberal Dan Grady's playbook (SAVE DEMOCRACT VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT.....Happy Thoughts!), and just include your own mantra;
FAR RIGHT TALKING POINTS ALERT!
Would save you alot of repetetive time.
Sorry, DEMOCRACY, not DEMOCRACT
Can you deny it?
To your satisfaction? Never.
Can you deny it period?
One more time.
How does:
“in so many ways, this all women’s college prepared me compete in the all boys’ club of presidential politics.”
translate to HRC thinking she is at a disadvantage being female?
I don't want to hear about what if Obama wasn't who he is either.
Give me something beyond the far right talking points.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
I'm suppose to be ashamed of being progressive, or a liberal?? That is how the Neo-Cons painted us even as we were the majority until the media belonged to the corporate agenda and the Neo-Cons took the bully pulpit, media, and governments control. Look where they lead us, and tell me that we should let them shout us down, and disparage us for maintaining American principles of truth, honor, and defending democracy? NEVER!
I'm to appologize for making my intentions known when I make a point on this site?? That is the attitude of every Republican when debating the issues, they need the room to be filled with supporters to have any chance of making their point else they appear as they are, LIARS, HYPOCRITES, AND SCOUNDRELS.
I'm to be more open to the Republican opinions because that is the civil way to behave?? I held these platitudes, these civilities before the 2004 RNC Convention when I witnessed on National Television the Republican Leadership wearing "Bandaid Purple Hearts" on their breast, smiling sarcastically with the expressed purpose of insulting a decorated combat hero in a time of war!
This was the Republican Leadership that lied to start a war for political sway, taxdollars, and oil prices (Operation Iraqi Liberation) and promoted this slander against a man that volunteered for dangerous duty when he had no reason other than patriotism to volunteer.
This from our "Draft Dodging President & Vice President" that would have the gall to tell anyone what is or is not patriotic!
If this does not change your mind about the Republican National Committee and their candidates, then please don't count yourself as an American, because you would have disparaged your country to hold your loyalty to your Party! That friends is the first, and most important step to starting us down the path to FASCISM!
I, as millions of my fellow Americans whom served their country in uniform swore as did the President & Vice President, as did every Congressman, Senator, and any federal employee, that we would protect, defend, and preserve the Constitution of the United States of America, not the Republican Party!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
No clearing house on the left....are you crazyyyyyy. Try ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NY Times, just to name a few
Apparently, the professional GOP liars are zeroing in on the BIG LIE that they're going to use against Hillary. With Al Gore it was the "Serial Exaggerator". With Kerry it was the "Flip Flopper/Fake Purple Hearts". With Hillary, it will be the "Waffling/Whiney Woman" crap. This will be the sh*tstorm under which she'll be buried for the next year (assuming she's the nominee). If she doesn't come up with an effective response...she's toast...and so is the Democratic Party. And we can kiss the Supreme Court goodbye, as well; if the next President is a Republican, he'll finish packing it with Troglodytes.
I may be crazy, I haven't been following this particular event closely, and I haven't read the full text of Clinton's speech at Wellesley College, but I don't read "In so many ways, this all-women's college prepared me to compete on the all-boys club of presidential politics" as Hilary complaining about the other candidates picking on her, and i don't know how these pundits are interpreting it that way. She was at an all women's college giving a campaign speech to a particular audience and playing to her strength with that audience in an attempt to get votes, just like all other candidates do.
And for those that wonder whether Hilary is playing the gender card in her attempt to get elected, I would imagine that she is, and i would do the same if i were her. It is a signficantly distinguishing characteristic between her and the other candidates, and as far as i know, a woman has never run for president before, so it is certainly extrodinary in that respect.
Watch carefully...take notes if you wish. We are witnessing, in real time, the construction of a BIG LIE by the GOP propaganda machine. It's quite impressive to watch...sort of like those time-lapse movies of maggots devouring a carcass...only in reverse.
I think this notion of Hillary "playing the Gender card" has been totally overblown. They've invented a paradigm in which every time she or her campaign mentions gender or women...it will automatically be construed as "playing the gender card". It will become a self-perpetuating lie...with lots of help from the slack-jawed morons in the lapdog press corps.
Watch and behold the wonder of the brilliant GOP liars at work. You will be astounded.
Is Barak Obama now part of the GOP smear machine?
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama3nov03,1,7259928.story?track=rss
No, he's on the desperate end of a floundering campaign brought on by several self inflicted gaffes.
I really don't believe any of the so-called "gaffes" are much more than the media accepting dubious and self-serving criticism of Obama as fact.
Obama's supposed "gaffes" in debates on OBL and face-to-face diplomacy are obviously made by people who never read his 2006 "audacity of hope" where he made the exact same proposals and policy evalutions. Why is the major media for Hillary? Why are they the ones pitching the "inevitability" bs? Makes you wonder, huh?
What i find interesting in this piece is the Faux News implication that Hillary retreated to face a friendly audience to deliver a message calculated to appeal to that audience.
Hmm... where have we seen that strategery before...?
'I want a woman or a man president who's willing to stand up for what they believe in and is not going to cave or cower ... just because they're asked tough questions.'
I laughed when I read that.
After her time as First Lady, after her time as Senator of New York, and after her time as a Presidential candidate, I find it funny that ANYONE could accuse Clinton of caving or cowering. Like her or hate her, one of her defining characteristics is her ability to handle the pressure, criticism, and examination of the national spotlight. She is a lightning rod for right-wing criticism and has been handling tough questions and accusations for twenty years.
Let's see, Hillary gives a speech at Wellesley, she's playing the gender card.
Hmmm, Lynn Cheney gives a speech at a racist club for white men, crickets.
Republicans send out anti-gay, anti-muslim flyers to voters in Virginia, crickets.
Republicans Call John Edwards the breck girl for his hair, crickets.
Repuplican arm of ABC films reaction to gays kissing for ratings, crickets.
Republicans vote to allow churches to get federal dollars, crickets.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-obama3nov03,1,7259928.story?track=rss
Funny - this is the same thing Obama said last Friday - yet MMFA doesn't pick it up until they try to pin it on Fox. MMFA shows it's disingenuous "mission" again.
a) MMFA is about conservative misinformation. Last I checked, Obama is a democrat.
b) Nowhere does MMFA try to suggest this is originally from fox. That's just your talking point.
I actually think you make a good point. MMFA is being disingenuous here. I think Fox is being a little disingenuous as well though. They have been very keen to pick up on the Democrats' intraparty primary squabbling to attack Democrats just like they did in 2004 and 2000.
I hope they are successful attacking HRC. She is a pretty weak candidate in my opinion. Obama is a much better choice and in a better choice to win next November.
Donno, i've seen them miss a few on Fridays. The call as to whether Obama's statments as combined by the LAT qualifies as conservative missinformation is the thing.
On the whole I think the article qualifies LAT didn't give alot of context, which is suspicious. I suspect LAT and others would like a political hissy fit, real or not.
Its a hard call, how many would say,"Why is this here?", besides Tommy?
Am I the only one who isn't really that amazed that she mentioned the fact that she's the only female candidate while giving a speech at WELLESLEY? Is it really something nobody would expect?
And by the way, to Hannity (school dropout), that's Mrs. Clinton, Esq.
Let me give you the inside scoop at Fox News. They don't want Hillary as president-period. These Fox News neocon clowns are Rudy Giuliani supporters-period. You will continue to see negative stories about Hillary until Nov. 2008. That's the plan.
Media fraud Sean supports Giuliani for president. To prove it, keep track the number of times this cross-dresser appears on Fraud Sean's radio and television shows. Also, Sean will appear at future fundraisers for Giuliani.
Let's hope that a Democrat takes the White House in 2008 so we can get rid of Sean for good. This media fraud has polluted the air with his lies at Fox News studios far too long. I hope Bossman Rupert does not renew this media hack's contract.
I don't think electing a Democrat will be bad for Sean. It is actually much easier to be a critic than to pretend Bush's policies make any sense. My guess is that a Democratic president is good news for the rightwing media.
OK, here is a bitter pill we so-called liberals must swallow, one that is ugly and politically incorrect, one that must be said but no one wants to say it. There is a very good reason why GOPS and particularly the NeoCon crypto-fascists are doing all they can to destroy Hillary and push Obama to the fore: they know that no one -- that's NO ONE -- in the lineup of GOP wannabees vying for their party's nomination is capable of beating Hillary in '08. If you watch enough of the GOP pundit shows (and that's all of Fox Noise programming, some of what's on CNN, and that smart-assed Punter Quarrelsome on MSNBC) you realize that the same old "vast right wing[nut] conspiracy" Hillary warned us about when these creeps were wasting taxpayer money trying to impeach Bill C. is at it again. The GOPS pride themselves with their organizational abilities and they should. You can imagine the telephone lines burning up all day long, the Shaife minions discussing how maneuvering Obama into place as the Dem nominee would be the best (and, in fact, the only) way the GOPS could take the White House again in a post-Arbusto election already presumed to be bringing party change to Pennsylvania Avenue. Why? The answer, to put it country simple, is this: America is not ready for an African-American president. It might be ready for an African-American Veep, but that is another story. Yes, that's right, one dares risk the label, "racist" in telling it like it is: Obama is unelectable, much more unelectable than ANY GOP running. If Obama is the nominee, Rudy is a shoo-in. I hate being the one to tell it like it is, but truth's truth. This is why people like that fat-faced cackling halfwit, Pat Buchanan never miss an opportunity to pump up Obama, whom he probably hates. Hide and watch. Listen to the Snit Fumes, the Shrill Pistols, and all the other neo con trash babble on and on about how Obama is the best man for the job. It's not cause they LIKE the guy. Hell, no. It's because they know he won't take a single Southern state or any of the West either. What's left? Massachusetts. Give me a break. Obama is a loser.
What the hell are you talking about?
Obama, is electable. I'm white, I would vote for him. Further I live in the south, and there are a lot of people "down here" who really like him.
Should he be the one to come against the repugs he will ALSO take them down.
Hmmmm, how truly, truly stupid these people are being. Even the dullest person should be able to see that Hillary Clinton is leading in all the polls and that is the reason for the pile on from the other Democrats. She is a tough campaigner and she was not overwhelmed by the pile on. I am sure she took it as a compliment when the other candidates were so confrontational. However, nothing any candidate said could even approximate the venom Republicans spewed while Mrs. Clinton was in the White House. I know it drives folks just nuts that she is leading every poll for the nomination, and not only that, polls are showing how stong she is in match-ups with all the Republicans. As for all this palaver being advanced by Bush Republicans implying she would be so easy to defeat. It's cslled "whistling in the dark". It was wonderful to see her polls are still so good even when the mainstream media worked so hard to make a big deal of the debate. We can expect more and more of this drivel. It is not that Republicans, especially the wing-nut variety, are so thrilled. They try all this crap to try to undermine her support. They even flunk out doing that. The bumblers!!!! This has-been Republican has not picked the Democrati9c candidate to vote for. Any one of them would improve our situation immeasurably.
First off...She did speak to the press on the issue of drivers licenses to the post and Globe( I read the article) the next day
Clinton's October 31 statement, quoted by the Post and the Globe, read as follows:
From the November 1 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
—J.H.
And of course Fox and Fiends Lied about that and If you watched the debate: They were all (except Richardson and Biden who spoke about what they would do if president, classy) going after Clinton's statements, avoiding stating what thier positions were.
When she went to Welesley to speak to "women" she was stating to them that "This all women college prepared her to compete in the all boys club of presidential politics" which to a lot of them women was "inspiring" because she got across the point that women are able to compete with the all boys club of corporate and political politics...and thru education they can accomplish anything a man can in this environment...Is that ? pulling the genger card?, or inspiring young women to continue to strive to compete for equal opportunity. She inspired me!
and right here we see why we have to have these conversations.....cuz the "right" believes that after they say something inane or racists, etc...., they then have to tell everyone 'what they "really" meant' to excuse themselves from the backlash.
Figures......
oh, and it is an all male club for president....and it is time those barriers were broken. It is also an all white club, and those barriers can be broken too.
tuff titty republicans......
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
If you believe the President is the "Compassionate Conservative" then it's likely you are under the same delusion when you came up with your posting name, "justicetruthus8276."
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
See what I mean? The woman cannot win for trying. She appeals to feminist and lesbians one second, the next she's stereotyped as a "girl" who can't stand up to the big mean men and play rough. Are you kidding me? Our politics have been reduced to recess at school. And what's worse is television networks keep trotting out other women to throw shots so it doesn't come off as men "beating up" on the poor defenseless little girl, who in reality is a very accomplished lawyer and politician. We see through you like glass.
I am a lifelong Democrat but I was insulted, as a woman, by Hillary's game of gender, victim behavior. Any woman who votes for Hillary because she is a woman may be indicating that what people have said from the beginning of this country about women's ability to follow issues and vote based on that, has been hijacked by her. I have this terrible image and Wellsley types all over the country doing "rah, rah" rah's" only because they are voting in a backlasha against there ex-boss or ex-husband. They should grow up.