Savage: "[L]oving, kind lesbian" is "the type that stuffed ovens in Hitler's concentration camps"
On the November 8 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation, a caller told host Michael Savage that while waiting at a stoplight in Midtown Manhattan, "I'm listening to you with the window open. This mean-faced, clipped-hair, liberal type -- you know, the type you always talk about. ... She comes up to my window and she goes, 'You're listening to hate speech. Why are you listening to that?' " Savage replied to the caller's anecdote by saying, "Well, what does that tell you about the loving, kind lesbian who just assaulted you in your car?" He continued: "She's a -- the type that stuffed ovens in [Adolf] Hitler's concentration camps. Whenever I hear anyone preaching to me about how compassionate they are, I reach for my Glock. That's all I can tell you. They can all drop dead."
Savage later said: "They're the ones that Hitler used to stuff ovens with human beings in the concentration camps, only now they pose as compassionate, wonderful human beings. They don't fool me for one minute."
As Media Matters for America has documented, Savage has repeatedly referred to the Nazis when discussing Democrats, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), women who wear burqas, and the Revs. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. As Media Matters also documented, on the February 26 broadcast of his show, after playing an audio clip of the beginning of singer Melissa Etheridge's acceptance speech at the Academy Awards in which she thanked her wife and four children, Savage said: "I don't like a woman married to a woman. It makes me want to puke. ... I want to vomit when I hear it. I think it's child abuse." As Media Matters noted, Savage was reportedly dropped by Hollywood's Creative Artists Agency (CAA) following those remarks two days after it announced it had signed him as a client. Savage has also previously referred to "lesbian fascism," the "homosexual mafia," and the "radical homosexual agenda."
The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the November 8 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
CALLER: I just want to tell you a really funny story. I'm driving in Manhattan, in Midtown, and obviously, you know, I'm at the front of the light, there's people crossing in front of me, behind me, just now, maybe like 20 minutes ago.
SAVAGE: Right.
CALLER: I'm listening to you with the window open. This mean-faced, clipped-hair, liberal type -- you know, the type you always talk about.
SAVAGE: Yeah. Yeah.
CALLER: She comes up by my window and she goes, "You're listening to hate speech. Why are you listening to that?" And I go, "Wow, you sound pretty angry." And she goes, "You're listening to hate speech. Look at you, listening to a hatemonger." And then, like, there was other traffic coming, she ended up walking away, and I rolled down the window and I go, "You're a loser." And she just walked away and gave me this smug look. But it was pretty --
SAVAGE: Well, what does that tell you about the loving, kind lesbian who just assaulted you in your car? She's a -- the type that stuffed ovens in Hitler's concentration camps. Whenever I hear anyone preaching to me about how compassionate they are, I reach for my Glock. That's all I can tell you. They can all drop dead. They're not coming to get me; I'm coming to get them.
I'm not going to let them steamroll me into being who I -- who they want me to be. They can all go stuff a banana into their pipe. I'm sick of them trying to tell me what to think and what to do. They're the hatemongers. They're the Nazis -- the cryptofascists walking around. You gotta stop them where they are and say, "Hey lady, get out of my face, it's a free country."
Give her a Bronx cheer, Brad. Tell her she has no right getting in your face and if she doesn't get away from there, you call the police that she's assaulting you. You know, you have civil rights, too, that -- that's all.
See, I got mad now. I shouldn't have gotten mad. I mean, I know who they are. They're the ones that Hitler used to stuff ovens with human beings in the concentration camps, only now they pose as compassionate, wonderful human beings. They don't fool me for one minute. Just look at old Daguerreotypes -- excuse me -- old black and white photos of the period.
Huh...? Frankly, I'm not one to tell people what they can or cannot listen to... But, Savage's comparisons are just too much. He, O'Reilly, etc... whenever anyone speaks out against what they say... well, then you must be a fascist, a nazi, a suppressor of free speech, etc. It's a lame tactic... a foil for bad behavior.
Only US Senators (Dick Durbin) are allowed to refer to fellow US citizens Nazis.
Somebody forgot to tell Savage.
Ok, Ripper, I'll play along. Find me the quote where Durbin called Americans Nazis.
Here's a link to what Ripper was talking about. It goes back to 2005, and Dick Durban had compared the actions of guards at Gitmo to those in gulags, Nazi concentration camps, etc. He was NOT referring to ordinary US citizens - just those who participated in horrendous treatment of prisoners.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160275,00.html
Durbin's speech was about an FBI agent's report of inhumane methods being used at Gitmo. The report, by a federal agent, spoke of prisoners being shackled naked in their cells, spread-eagled on a concrete floor. Sure sounds like the Gestapo to me. Except the orders were coming from a little higher, of course.
Savage is saying that anybody who finds his talk disgusting is a concentration camp murderer, and the sorrow is, you can't tell the difference.
The old standby: justify someone's bad behavior by citing someone else's bad behavior. I've certainly done it myself a few times.
Too many of Durbin's Democratic peers were silent, while some rightly condemned him. Even Kos came down on Durbin for saying it.
After his initial defiance, Durbin was at least apologetic.
No, that doesn't make it OK.
No, that doesn't mean you can say anything you want with the intention of apologizing later.
No, we shouldn't have to beat apologies out of people for what they say.
But at least Durbin can truthfully say that he tried to make amends after saying something stupid and offensive. Will the Savage Weiner ever express any regret for what he says?
Durbin even drew the ire of the Anti-Defamation League for his remarks. Do you think they'll jump on Savage for this? Don't bet on it.
You're wrong. Kos says "Durbin f'd up" (restated to get past the idiot censor software here -- I was quoting Kos, okay, mother?) by apologizing for something he shouldn't have apologized for.
According to Richard Cohen (an Iraq War supporter) "he said that if you did not know these descriptions came from an FBI agent, you "would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime . . . that had no concern for human beings." " He characterised the actions--but immediately the wingnut yahoos said he was calling the troops Nazis. He didn't. They kept screaming it, aided and abetted by the mainstream media.Even though he did not--DID NOT compare the troops to Nazis. they kept it up until he apologized. And here you are, bringing up the lie again.
This is why MMfA exists. Because people like you will take a lie that's been refuted, and throw it in again. Forever.
He said the acts mentioned in report were like things the Nazis did. Which was perfectly true.
And you don't have to be a Nazi to do a Nazi-like thing. My Lai. The Sand Creek Massacre. Dresden. The Tuskegee Institute.
But the right didn't argue 'it's not that bad' or 'they deserved it.' No, they screamed about something he never said. Over and Over again.
And again now.
You forgot about all the Dummies who refer to Bush as Hitler.
I love it when he goes into the"mean-faced, clipped-haired" routine. You have to admit they are out there, and Savage knows how to get under their skin.
What the Weinerdog KNOWS is how to spew the rhetoric of a lunatic. The man is insane. Give him the Haldol he so desperatly needs he is Mr Rogers.
Savage is right. That woman had no right assault the listener.
Once again, this is an example not of "misinformation" but of MMFA disagreeing with someone's opinion.
Asking someone a question is "assault" ?
LOL.
Some flatulence by little Rip
Portrays him as a dimwit dip
He defends Savage boy
With his dumb Nazi ploy
That he spews at a lightening clip
Out crawls once more the Julia Jane,
stalking the Ripper with comments profane,
from Iowa waitresses untipped,
Julia Jane stalks with shoulder chipped,
Vendetta driven, talons bared,
All those called ripper won't be spared,
whether hillary's questioned generosity,
or Savage's presumed attrocities,
Julia will come for you,
your only hope, start life anew,
the world is too small for two.
There once was a troll Fin-Ar-Fin
With a penchant for obnoxious spin;
He ripped poor Julia Jayne
For posting words so profane
That he plumb forgot lying's a sin.
Randy
whence comes this fantagor?
spreading putrid prosey spore,
a point flies by at a snail's pace,
right by fantagor's leering face,
wit nor speed he has to catch it,
he tries in vain to snatch it,
to find he missed it long ago.
Hey Randy, thanks for the shout
I think the Fin's been found out
He likes the savage weiner
So his mind is no keener
Than a stalk of small brussels sprout
Finarfin's an unguided missle
With his un-pithy ugly epistle
He'd just better refrain
Knocking JuliaJayne
She's got meat to her rhyme, Fin's got gristle.
Hey Mary, so sad for the Fin
That he clearly needs some more kin
He equates savage Mike
With an uncle he'd like *
An herb doctor with loony spin
*See Fin's post further down the thread where he says Savage is like the uncle he never had.
I saw that! OMG, the poor Fin...his taste in uncles is clearly on the bleak side.
fantagor, mary and now juliajane,
attack from all sides with prose inane,
they don't like Sir Savage,
their minds he did ravage,
with talk of lib harridans clearly insane.
Fin's got scolding old women on his mind
Something tells me his Mum isn't kind
So he projects on us libs
Telling savage type fibs
To escape from his logic free bind
Old women? only if you say so,
scolding the senile is, as you know,
is rather nescessary, tis truly so,
but when you say i am like savage,
have in mind that does'nt disparage,
him and i are both conservative,
as well as bieng quite observative,
only he is less reservative.
While I have to admire someone writing some form of poetry besides limericks (they really do get overused here), rhyming 'so' with 'so' isn't that clever, it's neither 'bieng' nor 'does'nt', and 'reservative' is just plain stupid.
Well aussiebob, I must disagree about limericks being overused (since I'm one of the users!); I think they are a nice break in the dialogue at times.
However, in your honor, a Savage haiku:
Weiner rants and raves
Half-baked verbage goes down hard
Like a kidney stone.
I don't mind that everyone doesn't care for the limerick. Or you could try besting it. I like the Haiku.
Julia, here is my theory on poetry, as well as singing and dancing: doing these activities are intimidating because as kids, someone made fun of us for trying them. So lots of us stopped trying, and think we are terrible at doing them.
I say, give it a try, it's more fun to go through life singing, dancing and spouting corny rhyme. ;-)
my poems nascent as i write,
Mistakes i make are at best slight,
limericks are rather fine,
they're pleasant in rhyme,
If you have nought to add, goodnight.
Fin baby, you are the one who used the word "harridan" many times in this thread. Maybe you should look up the definition instead of relying on Savage to think for you. I'll give you a break here: harridan is a scolding old woman.
I used harridan to describe that meddlesome lady in a pantsuit in the article. i thought it described her perfectly, and as Solon used Hiveminder often, so i used harridan.
The difference is that both words have ACTUAL meanings harridan has one you apparantly didnt know. Hiveminder has one I use accuratlty
Perhaps I shouldn't ask, but I'm a little confused here. Exactly how is a lesbian the kind of person who stuffed the ovens in Germany? I don't get the connection. Didn't Hitler hate gays? I mean, where's the reference point here? This is psychotic talk, I tellya.
I'm presuming the guy had his window open and was playing the Savage show loud enough that people on the street could hear it. She reacted to it by calling the show hate speech, which is certainly arguable, but rude. Savage replied by basically calling this woman a lesbian concentration camp murderer. I'd call that a vivid demonstration as to why this show is hate speech.
No he isnt right. You conservatives are sure thinskinned and set the assualt bar pretty low. She asked the man a question. I think she was rude its none of her business but please, saying that makes her the kind of people who pushed prisoners in ovens is typical Weinerdog insanity.
Let's see:
Female with short hair = Lesbian = Nazi = Concentration camp worker forced to stuff ovens. And oh by the way, I get to reach for my Glock and threaten to kill them for their SPEECH.
Reels the mind.
Yeah, the lesbian=oven stuffer remark, where does that come from? The linkage is a little hard to follow. Most wingnuts traffic in at least some kind of coherent imagery-- you can at least tell where the synapses were firing and in what order.
Tbone! Hey! That's my nickname in real life! Haven't seen you around here. You new?
This sounds like one of those convenient Tom Leykis listener calls.
Leykis? Who dat?
Yeah, who dat? I don't see his name anywhere on the Talkers Mag list. Is he some nobody, or what?
Who's brad? "Give her a Bronx cheer, Brad. "
So are the Anti-Defamation League going to react to this, the same way they rushed to react when Keith Ellison compared Bush to Hitler?
Or are Nazi comparions legitimate when a right-wing pro-Christian white supremacist makes them?
Savage= Nasty man
Savage=kind, caring, compassionate, perhaps a tad brusque in his anger, he is the uncle i never had.
He is the insane Grandfather I DID have. A lunatic. The difference is the Wienerdog spews his insanity to people dumb enough to think it has some relevance and my Grandfather spent most of adult life in an institution
You should have let us know that about your grandfather a long time ago. Now that I know that mental disorders run in the family, I realize that you are unable to help yourself denounce the absurdity of your liberal beliefs.
Wow. You really are stupider and stupider with each post. He was my Grandfather because he married my Grandmother. Her SECOND marriage, he was 10 years younger than her. He was not a blood relative. I should have known one of you hivemind morons would make such a stupid assumption. Especially you. Since you are one of the most ignorant posters I have ever seen. Grow up moron.
Ahh, well, everything still makes sense. This poor guy enters a family that has you in it. He cannot stand your psychotic babble about gay marriage and every other petty liberal cause, so he went crazy. You drove your poor grandfather into an institution, that must be a tough one to have on your shoulders.
Not only are you incredibly stupid you are apparantly very poor. My Grandmother and Grandfather lived in Oregon and Colorado until he went away. I was didnt even SEE him until he got out for a while when he was in his sixties. Keep up the rambling ignorance though. You are making progress on your goal to be seen as the stupidest person on the Planet. You are one of the three organic beings who would actually increase your IQ by filling your head with rocks. I mean your ignorance really is impressive in its scope. At this point my houseplant is thinking WOW that guy is really dumb.
The uncle you never had is a hate spewing nazi?
Poor kid - musta had a TERRIBLE life.
Only a deranged reich-winger could possibly think that a "man" who calls everyone "he" disagrees with a "Nazi" or "Marxist" or "vile scum" or "vermin" etc., etc., Priceless. No wonder reich-wingers are always on the wrong side of every issue.
Savage= Nasty man = Hates Gays = Talks about it.
Gets paid to do so!
Didn't he just the other day tell us that Iran should be bombed because they want to kill homosexuals??
Strange
Well, bomb Iran before they bomb us, or Israel.
Anyone who thinks we should bomb Iran, should be in uniform, ready to put their own ass on the line.
If you're too old, then you should be badgering your children to sign up.
If you think the War in Iraq is difficult, imagine what it would be like fighting a nation in which the entire population is lined up to fight against us.
As much as the majority of the Iranian population hates their leaders, if invaded, or bombed, they would rally behind their leaders.
They would fight to the last, man, woman and child.
In the 1980's when Iran and Iraq were at war, there were times, when the Iranians would send waves of unarmed people against the Iraqi lines, until the Iraqis ran out of ammunition. Then the Iranian troops would attack the Iraqis.
The waves of unarmed people often included their children.
I can't imagine how anyone would feel, having to shoot waves of unarmed civilians. I doubt that our troops could live with themselves if they were put into a situation like that.
No American should be advocating war with Iran unless they're willing to fight and die fighting in Iran.
Unless you have the ability to understand what the repercussions of attacking another nation could be, you should keep your mouth shut, until you educate yourself.
warriorking,
The prevoius poster's emphasis was on bombing iran, but it is true t'would be a needless and bloody war, better to back resistance movements, opposing parties and the like, try to have the people overthrow him.
I haven't been a warrior in many years, but I'll always be a WORRIER.
I agree. It would be a mess and the only sane way to get regime change in Iran is from within.
the president of Iran hasn't that much power anyway. The Council of Ayatollahs wield the real power. The population of Iran is young and fairly pro-western. They could bring this country around if we act according to our own democratic principles.
You're right Mary.
We have to get back to being Americans.
We have to reject what passes for American values today and get back to being the America that offered the world hope.
Thanks Mary and WK for those sentiments. The wingnuts and their media minnions have perverted American ideals.
How about someone just SHOOT you before you shoot them. I mean there is certainly as much evidence that you are about to shoot someone as that Iran is just about to bomb us. So the next time you argue with someone they ought to just shoot you then tell the judge that he was afraid that MAYBE someday you MIGHT have shot him.
hmmmm, I think in Florida you can...do that.
New law.....lol.
Tourist beware!
You know, we have no idea what Savage was saying or what that woman overheard that prompted her to go up to that man's car. If there were something particularly offensive spewing out from his radio, and he had the window open so that others had to hear it against their will, she likely had a legitimate complaint. On the other hand, she may have just been somewhat meddlesome, which might be annoying, but it's certainly not Fascist!
I love the line:
"Whenever I hear anyone preaching to me about how compassionate they are, I reach for my Glock. That's all I can tell you. They can all drop dead."
Well, compared to THAT, I think just about everyone has the right to preach to you about how compassionate they are!
Exactly. It might just be that sitting at a stoplight with the window open and the radio turned up loud with Savage on might, all by itself, constitute some kind of group assault on all passersby.
Salamandastron,
Allow me to translate to some wee burr mole speak; with moi simple burr mole logik i'ver deduced that that der lady was a wee meddlesome fascist, hoi humm burr.
I bet your head is hurtin' this morning.
You need to stop mixing your antipsychotics with Jack Daniels
That was rather esoteric, WHTG and Solon, my perhaps peculiar manner of writing there was an allusion to the origins and story surrounding Salamandastron's moniker.
Never read any of the books but I have heard of them. Personally seemed a little more geeky than estoteric.
Twas meant for Salamandastron, a fellow geek, not a slick guy such as you.
Oh I can be quite geeky. I could talk for hours about the Silmarillian for instance. Yeah I recognize the reference to Feanor's brother. I just dont expect to do so WITHOUT being seen as geeky. I really did like the book by the way the chapter about Beren and Luthvien was one of the most moving love stories I have ever read.
I say you shouldn't worry about sounding geeky, you're in good company.
The book was great, underrated, i thought it was the best written of J.R.R.T.'s books, but it was overshadowed by LOTR's popularity. I was likewise moved, It really gives the best prospective of that world as a chronology for you could take any story of the many written of and write a whole book about it.
Savage's comments need no rejoinder. He has perfected the art of unintentional humor.
"Kinky"
-Harvey Korman (As Hedley Lamar), Blazing Saddles
Wow! Women in pants suits (I think it's sexy), blacks speaking their minds, and gays having rights! AHHH! Wow he's sure scared.
And now, he fears the "compassionate." And when he hears that, he reaches for his "glock." I guess "compassion" does not compute in his brain.
When I hear the words of Jerry Falwell and Osama Bin Laden, I can hardly tell the difference between the two. I remember Jerry Falwell once said, "Blow'em all away, in the name of the Lord." I can hardly tell the difference between Savage and the Islamic extremists (except "U.S.A." is replaced with "Iran").
Let's see, what do Weiner, his neocons, and the Islamic extremists advocate:
Religion in Govn't Violence over diplomacy Overthrowing govn'ts they don't like Changing cultures they don't like "Spitting on the ground" at another religion Unequal rights for women Unequal rights for homosexuals War War War! And never caring about innocent casualties Letting Rich oil persons control everything (Saudis) Education that teaches hate and that dying while fighting a "bad country" or "infidel" is the best thing ever
What else am I missing? Wow, that's actually a pretty long list.
Okay let me um...type that list a little more clearly.
Religion in Govn't
Violence over diplomacy
Overthrowing govn'ts they don't like
Changing cultures they don't like
"Spitting on the ground" at another religion (Weiner's words)
Unequal rights for women
Unequal rights for homosexuals
War War War! And never caring about innocent casualties
Letting Rich oil persons control everything (Saudis)
Education that teaches hate and that dying while fighting a "bad country" or "infidel" is the best thing ever
Wow, that's a long list. Anything else?
this sounds pretty bogus to me. how many women are going to go up to some strange man (by definition, anyone who intentionally puts mr. savage on their car radio is strange), at a stop light, and berate him for what he's listening to? people have been shot for less.
i'll believe this when i see compelling, unrelated, third-party evidence that it actually happened.
Yeah, CP, it sounds like another one of those Conservative victim stories. They're always just minding their business when those unhinged lefties go nutso on them.
Who the hell wants to go talk to a Michael Weiner fan? Those are the people( the weiner fans) that get me to find a new seat at the bar when they start buddying up to me.
Yeah, CP, it sounds like another one of those Conservative victim stories. They're always just minding their business when those unhinged lefties go nutso on them.
Who the hell wants to go talk to a Michael Weiner fan? Those are the people( the weiner fans) that get me to find a new seat at the bar when they start buddying up to me.
Hey you know that there are a lot of unhinged lefties out there? Such self rightous outbursts are as common as harridan liberals in pant suits.
It often happens that a person you emmediatly know is a Savage fan buddys up to you?
But are the as common as a moronic hiveminders stupidity?
Hi HBL & CP
I've got to agree with you.
The noise level at any intersection in midtown Manhattan is so high, that for a passerby to determine which screech-monkey is blaring from a radio in a car, stopped for a light, the passerby would have to have super hearing. Or the man/woman in the car would have to be blaring the radio so loud as to drown out the ambient noise.
Most of the time, I can't hear what my wife is saying when we walk in midtown and she's standing right next to me.
After seeing the photo of Michael "the Savage" Weiner heading this story, I began to wonder -- is there some sort of guild requirement that bigoted, male radio hateshow hosts must all dress like Don Imus? If so, do Rush and Sean have a note from their Mommies excusing them?
Li'l Mikey Weiner, the failed herbal-remedy king, giving the Weiner Nation what it craves -- bigoted stupidity. More cha-ching for the Weenie King.
Michael Savage the talk show host extraordinaire, whether you like him or not; with 2 masters, a Ph.D, over 20 books published. And what have YOU done?
We'll I've gotten through life thus far without becoming an insufferable, duplicitous a-hole. I'm amazed at the ingenuity of amoral people like Savage- turning the defamation, character assassination and destruction of millions of Americans into a business is truly the lowest form of unpatriotic activity imaginable. Savage is an American cannibal; eating his own for sustenance.
myself, i haven't done much. But i know for a fact that i never made it with a guy named Ginsberg (you know, on the man-love tip)
We'll I've gotten through life thus far without becoming an insufferable, duplicitous a-hole.
I think that the millions of savage listeners would beg to differ. you still havent answered ther real qquestion. What have you done?
Appeal to authority is a logical fallacy by definition. Barbara Cartland has written more books than that Chomsky has published about five times more books than that and is one of the most sought after speakers in the world. Neither of them are lunatics like the Weinerdog
Ordinary decent things, mostly.
Gee, with all that going for him, Mikey Weiner can only succeed at feeding bigoted nitrates, nitrites & fat to the Weenie Nation.
How pathetic.
The Weinerdog is a lunatic whose insanity seems attractive to some disturbed people who think he makes sense somehow. These Weienrdog worshippers need to get a SANE life.
Sanity is comparative, an insane person (such as, perhaps, yourself) may consider all those sane as the ones insane.
Hey you are ignorant enough to stand by the sanity of a man who says he is tired of hearing there are one billion Muslims in the world that we need to kill one hundred million of them, that hearing about compassion makes him want to reach for his gun, that a congressman is in cahoots with al Queda be my guest. It doesnt speak to my insanity it speaks to your stupidity
"...a man who says he is tired of hearing there are one billion Muslims in the world...."
I am also tired of hearing the number of muslims in the world, they (M.easterners) are choking out the beauitiful white race like weeds choke a delicate flower.
"....that hearing about compassion makes him want to reach for his gun..."
The kind of compassion savge is reffering to is the false and self rightous variety.
Oh really? And you know this because of your amazing mind reading powers? Well I dont read minds and didnt see anything like what YOU said he MEANT and will stick to what he SAID. If he needs YOU to come in here and explain what he MEANT he isnt doing his job. Out of pity and disgust I will ignore the white supremist BS you just spewed but you are a sick individual if you are really advocating demoting Hitler to the minor leagues of evil to lessen the number of people who arent white. How much starch do you use in your sheets anyway?
white nationalist, Solon. My opinion is that there is an underlying competition among races for dominance, whe are like almost individual species that compete to increase the dominance of thair population, I just find that the white race, due to many factors is losing this competition. I think that racial diversity is beutiful that we have so much variety, other races have just the same right to compete for racial dominance. Hitler would never be demoted from the major leagues of evil, the fact remains that he killed many people, many of my people as well.
There is only one race. The Human Race, you're in or you're out.
Are you implying that homo sapiens are divided into more than one species based on color?
Please show documentation. Which branch of science did you get your degree in?
Just curious. I'm not a scientist, but I was educated by evil liberals and they never told me about any of the sub-species and I was never taught Intelligent Design, so, I'm the first to admit, my education is not complete.
"When contacting the media, please be polite and professional. Express your specific concerns regarding that particular news report or commentary, and be sure to indicate exactly what you would like the media outlet to do differently in the future."
I take it this is meant to show support for Savage? Like, keep airing this terrific program as long as he's still broadcasting? Excellent.
I suppose the fact that this is on every single item has escaped your notice? Excellent.
I would think more like please give the Weinerdog the medication he has such dire need of and stop enabling his insanity for the mans own sake.
I for one am throughly sick of these rabid righ-wing sycophantic non-thinking Bush followers who compare liberals to nazis. Nazis were right-wing fanatics like Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter etc... Was it the liberals who instigated warrentless wiretaps? Was it the liberals who thought it was a great idea to torture? Was it the liberals (alone) who lied us into war? Was it the liberals who gave no bid contracts to republican cronies so they could profit off an immoral war? Was it the liberals who through habeus corpus should be tossed out the window? Was it the liberls who sent detainees to secret prisons in Europe? Was it the liberals who considered free speech, if it wasn't the speech they wanted to hear, unpatriotic? Was it the liberals who favor God's law as the law of the land in favor of our cherished Constitution? Was it the liberals who thought global warming, the greatest threat to our civilization, is junk science? Was it a liberal who after 911 said we should invade the middle east, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity? NO! It was conservatives! It's conservatives who consistently display very nazi-like characteristics. It's conservatives who have no tolerance for anyone who is in anyway different from them. It's conservatives who have over the last seven years done everything they can to dismantle our democracy; so, I don't want to hear the hollow hypocritical empty-headed mantra these people chant about the left being fascists anymore. They're are fascists among us, but they aren't the liberals!
True, liberals greatly resemble communists. yet fascists and commies are considered evil from history, and thus savage uses them interchangeably. for a liberal, you truly are not very understanding.
about global warming bieng a junk science, that is indeed true, and we are certainly not the cause of it. global Warmingmongers are laughable at best.
And conservatives greatly resemble the Borg. Ignorant Hiveminders who dont even know what they think until their hivequeen tells them. Some are Weinerdog worshippers, some are Limborg addicted. All are morons.
So you discredit the individuality of us "wingnuts" just because we agree with a certain person on almost everything, who you find abrasive?
No I tailored a stupid and meaningless slam to resemble YOUR stupid and meaningless slam. And if you agree with anyone on almost everything that alone means you arent thinking at all. I think part of the reason is you dont really KNOW what you think until the Weinerdog TELLS you what you think.
you know after examining my mind and it's functions, i've found that my thought process runs individualy without need of Savage stimuli.
Yeah you dont mind if we get a second opinion.
Since when were the NAZIs "compassionate" Weiner? You actually believe they were? Wow, he is absolutely delusional.
LES IS MORE SED: "Michael Savage the talk show host extraordinaire (sic), whether you like him or not; with 2 masters, a Ph.D, over 20 books published."
Doesn't make him any less an idiot.
Appealing to Weiner's intellectual authority is a fallacious argument and has nothing to do with the statements he made on the radio. If you think that, "Whenever I hear anyone preaching to me about how compassionate they are, I reach for my Glock. That's all I can tell you. They can all drop dead," is a measure of his intelligence, then what the hell does he have a Ph.D. in? Professional wrestling?
Weiner has the right to say anything he wants, but he paid for it. CAA got out of its contract with him two days after this "brilliant' exchange. CAA is one of the biggest artist's management companies in the world and could have taken Weiner anywhere he wanted to go. Apparently, they never listened to his show before this.
I also think the guy that called the show was a plant. I've never been in midtown NY in traffic, but I have been in Hollywood in the middle of a typical business day and I can guarantee you, unless caller had a Cadillac Escalade boombox, no one would have casually been able to hear it.
It is very telling that sissypants Savage needs a gun because he feels threatened by a lesbian.
These clowns never fail to amuse me.
'You're listening to hate speech. Why are you listening to that?' " Savage replied to the caller's anecdote by saying, "Well, what does that tell you about the loving, kind lesbian who just assaulted you in your car?" He continued: "She's a -- the type that stuffed ovens in [Adolf] Hitler's concentration camps. Whenever I hear anyone preaching to me about how compassionate they are, I reach for my Glock. That's all I can tell you. They can all drop dead."
So 'You're listening to hate speech. Why are you listening to that?' equates to putting Jews in ovens? Speach = assault? Compassion makes him pull a gun? They can "drop dead?"Mr. Weiner isn't perhaps compensating for something is he?
"whether you like him or not; with 2 masters, a Ph.D, over 20 books published. And what have YOU done?" - Les is moreYeah "Less" he holds master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and earned a Ph.D. from the University of California, Berkeley, in nutritional ethnomedicine. As Michael Weiner, he has written a number of books on herbal medicine and homeopathy. He certainly has the credentials to threaten to shoot people with dissenting opinions.
BTW: Homeopathy is a vitalist therapy, claiming to act by treating imbalances in a hypothetical vital force. Substances, which in large quantities would cause symptoms similar to the disease, are administered in heavily diluted formulations. AKA: pseudo-science along with astrology and ESP.
Les is impressed with titular authority and degrees obviously. There is something to be impressed by if the person getting the degrees is a good person doing good things and using the knowledge they culled to make the world a better place. But Weiner is a sad sack of a man who is paranoid and jealous that he has been passed over time and again for various things that he thinks should have been his. He is left to rant and rave on the airwaves spewing hatred and bile to make a living. I myself am not too impressed with all things titular and think ordinary decent folk are far better than raving narcissistic lunatics on radio or the teevee. Just call me quirky that way.
I just love you, Julia. So right-on.
You very eloquently described and disassembled the very nature of rightwing authoritarianism.
(I love so many participants here at MMFA, I can't name them all but you should all know you're loved.)
Hi Roundhouse! I haven't been able to get here in a while and always enjoy your voice when I do. I do though get weary of the people who actually stoop to defending these gas bags of hate like Savage and Rush. They are a dim lot. I guess so much hatred, so little time for them, embracing the savage beast. It must be a sad existence, needing to be spoon fed hatred by their radio thug of choice.
Thanks, Julia. We all need some encouragement now and again, so thanks for the boost.
Yeah, I also get tired of the drudgery of poster after poster defending haters like Savage. But I love those guys too. I may vehemently disagree with them but I couldn't be more proud that we live in a country where they can say what they want to say.
The most annoying aspect of the Weiner Dawgs is that they get all uppity over the fact that we have an equal right to disagree them and say what we want to say in the way we want to say it.
"I may vehemently disagree with them but I couldn't be more proud that we live in a country where they can say what they want to say." -ROUNDHOUSE
Savage often speaks of liberals of yesteryear that would say exactly that, he also says that kind of liberal is an endangered specie nowadays. savage appreciates your breed.
"The most annoying aspect of the Weiner Dawgs is that they get all uppity over the fact that we have an equal right to disagree them and say what we want to say in the way we want to say it."
I often have similar sentiments, except i might say; "The most annoying aspect of the [Clintonites] is that they get all uppity over the fact that i have an equal right to disagree with them and say what i want to say in the way i want to say it." i am also sure savage would relate to that last part as well.
Mike is off base. Those liberals of yesteryear are the same as liberals today.
And another exception; Clinton is basically a putz.
Bravo, exactly so on both counts.
Also, liberals of today may appear intolerant by comparison but that perception is shaded by the fact that the rational discussion of ideas has been abbrogated by the infiltration of the radical Christian right into mainstream conservatism.
There is no reality based debate in the presence of faith based conservative dogma. We can thank Limbaugh, Coulter, Ingraham and Hannity they have destroyed conservatism for a generation.
If it is indeed so that the liberals of yesteryear are the liberals of today, then that particular brand of lib is greatly underrepresented, it seems that radicals and zealots represent you in the media and everywhere else.
The fact it seems that way to you is not necessarily representative of factual reality
Not necessarily, but it is likely that it is.
Ah no. It is likely that in this like in most of the nonsense you post. You are deluded.
Delusion means nothing coming from you. throw them around less, and people might pay attention to your insults.
I am not trying to convince you hiveminders of anything. I am quite satsified with my credibility. YOU have none. Please spare me the snivelling about my insults after you said Liberals were like communists AND fascists and they are evil. It is so embarassing to see the constant snivelling from you crybaby conservatives that YOU get treated the way you treat us.
I did not call liberals communists and Nazis, just the former. when i denounce liberals, it is the radicals that i speak of, i really do not have much beef with the moderates. Wingnuts i do not like.
that was not sniveling, rather just a piece of sound advice.
Yeah it was snivelling. And I am a seriously lefty liberal. If I want to see Jane Fonda on the political spectrum I have to look to my right. When I talk about hivemind morons I am not talking about all conservatives just the hivemind morons who cant get past the Cold War and like to call us liberals communists and talk about how we are evil.
It is so nice to see libs scratching each other's backs, although such a screeching niose is quite unbearable, at least you are stroking eachother's egos rather than another part of your body.
i think that you fellows have the misconception that all savage speaks daily is hateful bigotry, rather, along witht other talk show hosts, there is more to what they speak than what MMFA chooses to report. Savage is a fiery man by nature, there is no point in taking everything he says literally.
LOL. No, I won't feel bad for expressing my admiration for a person I admire intellectually and politically. In fact, more broadly, finding agreement and building consensus is the way our democratic processs moves forward.
And as for that tired argument that Mikey ain't all bad is bunk. Koresh, Jim Jones, Mcveigh, Kozinski, Dahmer those guys probably weren't all bad either. They must have had some redeeming qualities too, they probably made convincing defenses of their thinking to some people. But that doesn't mean these men should be given any degree of credibility and neither should Mike just because he ain't all bad in the minds of a radical minority.
I'll scratch Roundhouse just where I like
But there is no defense of your Mike
He's reprobate scum
He's a scurrilous bum
He and his manic fringe, take a hike!
stroking eachother is what you should stick to,
savage a bum? it just is'nt true,
he is quite succesful,
do not be forgetful,
8 million is hardly a fringe.
The Wienerdog is insane
That his cookie has crumbled is plain
He's a bigot and fool
He's surely a tool
There is something wrong with his brain
Good one, Solon. And so pointedly diagnostic. ;-)
once again, i think you should judge michael savage only after you have actually listened to him, rather than basing your opinion upon a periodically posted article on his "outragousness". when he gets angry he says things like that but the other 90 percent of what he says is insightful and very old style conservative.
Yes, what you say is very persuasive. Not. But sorry you still have nothing after numerous posts. You have been assembled, so what do I care. At this point it's a purely personal problem for you.
you are avoiding (in typical liberal fashion) my point, good mary. It certainly reflects you, this infantile post of yours, it said nothing.
"...you are avoiding (in typical liberal fashion) my point,..."- finarfin
No. It was addressed directly, and ignored, in typical conservative fashion.Just because you didn't understand it doesn't diminish the point, it only points out your GOP limitations.
"Yes, what you say is very persuasive. Not" -JuliaJane
Such an infantile comment describes what i said, It in no way directly adresses the substance of my argument and gets us nowhere. Tis pointless.
I am very upset by a weiner lover calling my comments infantile. Not. ;-0)
sad :-(
Now Fin, were you sipping some good Irish whiskey last evening when you thought that I was Julia?
Anyway, I HAVE listened to Savage me own self, but I admit, not for long, 'cause his hectoring speech grated my ears something fierce. I think disagreement is a fine thing; but this guy just thrives on the personal attack, which isn't fine.
Juuuuliaaa, Jaane, maryyyy, It's all de saame, aaaalll stort wid a Jay.
actually i am not a whiskey type of guy.
Mary stort wid a jay? Well I'm not a linguist, but that's a new sound-symbol code with which I'm not familiar.
Perhaps Savage/Weiner fumes are addling yer olde brain cells. Whiskey might be better for you.
that statement was in good humour. It is not my fault that you misinterpret my jocularity.
She didnt misinterpret your jocularity she correctly interpreted your stupidity
That illogical error in the original post was made on purpose. T'aint my fault if you did not catch that one.
Well okie dokey then, phinarphin, or should I say,
jinarjin?
Did you think you made a POINT? No you didnt make a point. You made an excuse and a weak one at that. Say Mrs Lincoln except for that unfortunate shooting your husband in the head thing how was the play?
It isnt as common as seeing a hiveminder spew the identical moronity over and over. Stupidity is your native tongue.
The second weak attempt at a point is just irrelevant. Making decent points and being a reasonable human being is what he is SUPPOSED to do. That doesnt give him extra credit that he can cash in and say well I was reasonable for the last hour so now I can spew insane nonsense about people being Nazis pushing human being into ovens. Its the old tactic that has no validity. Hey officer what about all those days I drove to work and WASNT drunk and DIDNT veer onto the sidewalk and mow down 10 people.
Actually, Solon, украинский is my native tongue.
I think that what savage says in his anger you fellows take to heart as his actual logical opinions. With a personality like Savage's you cannot see things in black and white there is a grey area, i am sure none of you entirely agree with people you admire. Savage bieng a very Uncle-like character is what leads me not to discredit everything he says just because he said something hateful and illogical in his anger previous. Tht is what you do with family.
Finarfin, what somebody says in anger can actually be more true to heart than what they say when they're not angry. And as for family, I don't think any of us consider Weiner our family. He has said horrible things like this many other times before and it's pretty clear that he means it. I don't think any of us WANT him in our family.
Well I recognize Cyrillic. So that is what, Georgian? Ukranian? Lithuanian? Anyway. I dont discount what he says I dont CARE what he says. He has shown himself to be insane. Only those with no soul or sense of decency says the things he says. It doesnt matter he doesnt babble insanely ALL THE TIME. He DOES say things insane, being a lunatic only PART of the time is enough for me to live without his ranting lunacy.
russian. well that is your own discision, yet that does not mean that that man cannot say some things that i or even you would agree with.
Sure. I hear Hitler liked German Shepherds. I think they are very good dogs too. So that is setting the bar pretty low. WOW he might actually say something reasonable like most human beings. Then he says a few things that would embarass most lunatics.
LOL "assaulted. Sounded like one woose crying one the shoulder of another woose. Taking the call at face value of course.
Note to caller; keep the volume at the minimum level.
Note to any one moved to give a piece of their mind; you may end up dead.
It always astounds me that people listen to Savage/Weiner, and like what they hear. It's like listening to fingernails on a chalkboard.
I guess listening to Savage and all the other radio thugs reinforces their point of view. It is astounding that people think this bile passes for entertainment. It shows a shallowness of coherent thought and a laziness of actual reasoning. Rational thought is abandoned and is usurped by hyperbolic invective disguised as righteousness.
I think Weiner's selection of the phony name "Savage" speaks volumes.
Right-wing gasbags are forever looking over their shoulders, checking to see if their macho deficit is catching up with them.
I would not swear to the fact that Mikey Weiner, Rusty Limbaugh, Chuckie Krauthammer, Georgie Will or Billy Buckley were pantsed in junior high school. Facts not in evidence. But I saw the loathed little arrogant dweebs who WERE pantsed in my own junior high, and if the Hush Puppy fits ....
"Savage is a fiery man by nature, there is no point in taking everything he says literally." - finarfin
Especially those embarrassing times where he advocates violence against someone for speaking their mind or when he wishes death on people whom he dislikes? Strange how "liberal" commentators never seem to do that.
"Give her a Bronx cheer, Brad. Tell her she has no right getting in your face and if she doesn't get away from there, you call the police that she's assaulting you. You know, you have civil rights, too, that -- that's all."
Someone should explain to Mr. Weiner that a conversation isn't "assault" nor is it a crime (yet).
those ""liberal"" commentators just do not have the personality that savage has, he may say some illogical things sometimes, but "when anger stirs the savage soul, logic no longer plays a role". there are actually a lot of people who are illogical in thair anger, it is just the way they are.
In america, just because someone said they where assaulted, hardly means that it is indeed true.
Take your fringe savage problem up with your priest or shrink. Leave rational people be. Thanks in advance.
keep you thanks, it is presumptuous, by the way, rationality is in the eye of the beholder.
"...rationality is in the eye of the beholder"
No, it's not. It' very objective. Outside of right-wing world..
How dumb was that? If rationality is just in the eye of beholder then exactly WHY are so many people locked up into asylums? Hey they arent lunatics it just SEEMS that way to those not assimilated.
They are locked into asylums simply because the majority considers thair behavior irrational lunacy.
So then on Planet Wingnut there is no such thing as mental diseases like say Schitzophrenia it is just they see things differently. Nothing quantafiable. Well its nonsensical of course but it goes with the whole weak rightwing tactic of trying to convince those of us with actual functioning cerebral cortexes that there is no such thing as a fact, that everything is an opinion. No Fin you are flat out wrong. There IS such a thing as quantifyable insanity.
your opinion. It is philosophical, it may be beyond you.
Nah, its just stupid
Salon, I think Fin is just suffering from the same ailment as Dr. Weiner. The grandiosity, the paranoia, the victimhood. All signs of a personality disorder. Narcisssisitc Personality Disorder or maybe Histrionic Personality Disorder. We just can't comprehend their "specialness". Or maybe it's just Wingnut Personality Disorder. But they do suffer in a real way. They are tortured individuals and they need loads of attention.
Or loads of thorazine
It is so sad that whenever these people are challenged, they do exactly what they're being accused of doing. The person who was described as having "clipped hair" , a "liberal type" -- whatever that means, had every right to ask that person in the car why they were listening to "hate" speech. And if hate speech is not how Michael Savage responded, then what is?
Ironically, he proved the questioner to be absolutely right with his disgusting, hateful response about the Nazi ovens. How come conservatives have every right to say whatever they want, no matter how hateful and disturbing, but they think that no one has the right to question them?
They fight back with a thousand times more venom than they are served, so that we will be intimidated. Is this what we want as a society?! Or are those of us who don't want people like Michael Savage to go unchallenged allowed to say so? What if the "liberal" had said about him what he said about her? Unreal. Facism lives in American and it's called conservative radio.
Don't stop challenging anyone who listens to, preaches and supports this hateful muck!
Here's a little tidbit. This guy, who sees Nazis all around him, replies by paraphrasing Hermann Goering.
Very interesting, thanks. So Weiner is using for his rhetorical rants Hermann Göring speech? Lovely.
I'd like to stuff Savage Weiner into a trash compactor...
- finarfin
"In america, just because someone said they where assaulted, hardly means that it is indeed true."
He also recommended they go get a policeman to prosecute the "assault" charge. I guess that PhD of his wasn't in law was it? Fascinating that he is such an advocate of free speech.
"he may say some illogical things sometimes, but "when anger stirs the savage soul, logic no longer plays a role".
Interesting that LW commentators manage to regularly make their points without loosing control of their minds or advocating the arrest of dissentors.
Well... I for one am NOT in favor of censoring hate speech. It's the easiest way for me to identify the ignorant after all. Make these guys clean up their act and I have to waste a good 10-20 minutes of my life before I learn they're full of $#!+. But just one "fa-----", or one "ni----" - That's all it takes. Then I can just say "MORON" and move on. Wastes a lot less time.
(Of course the reason it's a problem is that there are THAT MANY MORONS in the world, and these right-wing hacks all appeal to the lowest common denomonator. Never understimate the power (or danger) of STUPID PEOPLE in LARGE NUMBERS.)
Savage. What an idiot. Yeah - Hitler used homosexuals and transgendered people to load the ovens. More likely those people were IN THE OVENS. But then - Savage probably wouldn't have a problem with that. (Or the apparent hypocrasy of that position.)
NEWS FLASH: It is neither hypocrasy, nor a double-standard to be angry, judgmental or intolerant of HATE SPEECH, JUDGMENTAL PEOPLE or INTOLLERANCE! (Although confromting New Yorker about it at a traffic light shows a lack of either good judgement, or self preseravtion. LOL)
Oh yeah, and would some please tell these idiots that the Nazi's were a RIGHT WING PARTY?! Idiots.
I think the caller is lying. In the conversation, the caller states that he is at a red light, with Savage's program blaring. He has his window down.
"I'm listening to you with the window open. This mean-faced, clipped-hair, liberal type -- you know, the type you always talk about."
The lady rudely asks him about listening to Savage. While I don't blame the lady for asking, the caller has a right to listen to Savage without interruption from those who might disagree with Savage.
But, the caller screws up. He says, as the lady is walking away, that he rolled the window down. Now, was his window up, in the first place, or down? Here is the quote:
"And then, like, there was other traffic coming, she ended up walking away, and <b>I rolled down the window </b> and I go, "You're a loser." And she just walked away and gave me this smug look. But it was pretty --"
At what point did he raise the window that he would have to roll it down to call her a loser?
I know this isn't the point of the article, but doesn't it seem to you that there's something wrong with this caller (other than he listens to Savage)? Do you think the call was a plant so that Savage could go off on lesbians and compare them to Nazis? Sometimes radio hosts need lead-ins....
Just a thought...
He may or may not be anti-gay...but if you had listened to the REST of the story, you would have heard something to the effect of:
:::I am a libertarian on the issue of gay marriage. They can just keep on doing what they do and they will either go to heaven or hell for it.:::
Who knows if he was sincere or not, but I think it ought to have been added to the transcript for context.
I dont see why. Are you saying that context would change something substantially? That it is now OK for him to say the equivelent of yeah those clip haired lesbians would push people into Nazi ovens but I dont mind if they get married? Nah, it is still the ravings of a lunatic