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Wash. Post's Kurtz pointed out "liberal bloggers[']" criticism of Russert debate performance, but not Russert's faulty questions

November 13, 2007 6:24 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz wrote that NBC Washington bureau chief Tim Russert "was ripped by liberal bloggers" after "he repeatedly pressed Hillary Clinton during a presidential debate." But Kurtz did not note that at least two of the questions Russert posed to Clinton included falsehoods.

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In his November 12 column, Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz wrote: "Tim Russert is accustomed to putting politicians on the spot. But after he repeatedly pressed [Sen.] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] during a presidential debate two weeks ago, the NBC Washington bureau chief was ripped by liberal bloggers who called him everything from a bully to a sexist. Clinton responded during the debate by accusing him of playing 'gotcha,' and her husband [former President Bill Clinton] slammed Russert as well." However, Kurtz did not note that at least two of the questions Russert posed to Clinton included falsehoods.

As Media Matters for America documented, Russert falsely claimed that a 2002 letter written by President Clinton to the National Archives "specifically ask[ed] that any communication between [then-first lady Hillary Clinton] and the president not be made available to the public until 2012" before asking Sen. Clinton, "Would you lift that ban?" In fact, President Clinton's letter did not ask that such communications "not be made available," but rather listed them as documents to be "considered for withholding" [emphasis added]. In a November 2 statement, William J. Clinton Records representative Bruce Lindsey said that rather than prohibiting the release of communications between Bill and Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton had merely designated such communications as part of a "subset" of presidential records "that should be reviewed prior to release."

Further, Russert misrepresented debate exchanges on Social Security to accuse Clinton of having "one public position and one private position" on the issue of raising the cap on income on which Social Security taxes must be paid, as Media Matters also documented.

In his November 5 column, Kurtz similarly wrote that "liberal bloggers" were "sniping at Tim Russert over his debate questions to Hillary," and said on the November 4 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources: "Let's talk about the questioning. I mean, Tim Russert is really getting hit by some of these liberal bloggers. The statistic came out 14 out of the 26 questions that he posed to any candidate went to Hillary Clinton. Is that a bit unbalanced?" In neither instance did Kurtz note Russert's faulty questions.

During the October 30 debate, Russert asked a total of 30 distinct questions (not including follow-up questions). Fourteen were either questions directed to Clinton or questions directed to other candidates about Clinton, as Media Matters has noted.*

From Kurtz's November 12 Post column:

Tim Russert is accustomed to putting politicians on the spot. But after he repeatedly pressed Hillary Clinton during a presidential debate two weeks ago, the NBC Washington bureau chief was ripped by liberal bloggers who called him everything from a bully to a sexist. Clinton responded during the debate by accusing him of playing "gotcha," and her husband slammed Russert as well.

"A question about whether illegal immigrants should have driver's licenses is hardly a gotcha question," says Russert, who also pressed Barack Obama about the issue. "It's the game, politics 2007. Everyone chooses up sides, and because of the Internet, everyone can be a pamphleteer. I think it's healthy for democracy. But in no way, shape or form should it deter us from asking questions.

"Every campaign's job is to spin and push back, and their supporters try to do the same, to create confusion and turn on the fog machine."

"Meet the Press" is celebrating its 60th anniversary this month, the last 16 years with Russert as moderator. The oldest news program on television is something of a throwback in the YouTube age, but Russert has boosted the audience to 3.4 million, from 2.7 million when he took over. The show is rerun twice on MSNBC.

"It's meat and potatoes," Russert says. "You put the guest in the chair, turn on the lights, turn on the cameras and start asking questions."

The top-rated Sunday show generates plenty of headlines. Yesterday, Russert interviewed Obama -- who first opened the door to a White House bid when he appeared on "Meet" late last year -- and pressed him on Social Security, his relationship with an indicted developer and whether the Illinois senator had actually shown leadership on ending the Iraq war. A week earlier, in his first Sunday morning interview as a candidate, Fred Thompson made news by refusing to back a constitutional ban on abortion. Russert confronted the former senator with 1994 statements in which he said he would not ban early-term abortions, but Thompson said his voting record was "100 percent pro-life."

The host says he has commitments from Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney to appear before the Iowa caucuses -- after making clear that he would devote an hour to them regardless of whether they showed up.

Russert, whose 12-year contract runs through 2012, says he gets plenty of suggested questions before a major candidate appears. "It's amazing. Everyone wants to weigh in -- friends, foes, viewers. We've been inundated."

From Kurtz's November 5 Post column:

With liberal bloggers sniping at Tim Russert over his debate questions to Hillary, I've somehow been dragged into the fray -- over a piece I wrote three years ago! The New Republic's Christopher Orr picks up the play by play:

" Daniel Larison makes a few typically sharp (in both senses of the word) observations. Citing Howie Kurtz's compliment that 'Tim Russert, media superstar, hasn't forgotten where he came from,' Larison explains:

" Naturally, the implication in the phrase is that you still feel some attachment or loyalty to the place where you grew up, that you haven't 'sold out' and forgotten your 'roots.' But this entire vocabulary of selling out and the roots of the unrooted has evolved to describe people who very definitely have sold out, or bought in, traded up, or however you would like to describe it, and then moved on.

"It might be worth noting here that Wolf Blitzer is also from Buffalo, as is the Post's (tremendous) cartoonist Tom Toles, and that Kurtz himself graduated from SUNY Buffalo. Perhaps it's time we stopped taking Russert's claims of rustic authenticity at face value and named him for what he is: a member of the post-Buffalo media superelite."

I plead guilty to having gone to that fine state university. In my piece -- which was the setup for a long, Meet the Press-style Q-&-A with Russert -- I wrote:

"The role of backslapping Buffalo Bills fan isn't just a pose for Russert -- a neat bit of imagery to soften the status of his multimillion-dollar salary and mighty network perch -- though he isn't shy about using it to his advantage."

And by the way, the guy is the son of a garbage man who went to Cleveland's John Carroll University -- on a partial scholarship. Do you ever really forget that kind of upbringing, no matter how rich and famous you become?

From the November 4 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources, with Kurtz; Roger Simon, chief political columnist for the Politico; Amanda Carpenter, national political reporter for Townhall.com; and Clarence Page, columnist for The Chicago Tribune:

KURTZ: Let's talk about the questioning. I mean, Tim Russert is getting really hit by some of these liberal bloggers. The statistic came out 14 out of the 26 questions that he posed to any candidate went to Hillary Clinton.

Is that a bit unbalanced?

SIMON: She's the front-runner.

KURTZ: Yes.

SIMON: She's supposed to get the questions. She's supposed to get the tough questions. There is a reason she's front-runner.

"Let's explore how good she is." That's a legitimate journalistic tack to take. I think he did an excellent job, especially when most of the telling points are made on the follow-up questions, which is all -- been missing from these debates.

The YouTube debates, for instance, are fascinating, they're great entertainment, but they don't allow for follow-ups. And that's why you need journalists on the stage, at least in part, asking follow-up questions.

KURTZ: But, you know, I could make the argument if Russert is going into his Meet the Press mode and say, "You said this in 1999, and now you said this and you said this last week," shouldn't he do that at least among the leading candidates, as opposed to mostly against one candidate?

PAGE: Well, let's take, for example, Social Security. Very important issue, Howard. And, you know, we know Edwards' and Obama's positions better than we know Hillary Clinton's positions. She's danced around exactly how she's going to deal with keeping Social Security solvent, other than to say, I'll appoint a commission.

Well, hey, you know, get her on the record for that. And that was what happened. And I think the same can be said for the other issues.

You know, issues are important. They do matter. And I thought in this debate you really had a contrast drawn between the candidates.

KURTZ: You know, all right, issues are important. But the biggest single problem that Hillary Clinton created for herself was on the question about driver's licenses for illegal immigrants in New York state, Governor Eliot Spitzer's program, or proposal. But Obama and John Edwards sort of agree with that too. So all of the coverage, it seems to me, was not about was she right or not right on this. It was about, you know, how she performed. Did she fudge? Did she seem to want to have it both ways?

CARPENTER: Well, there might have been a higher expectation for her because this is a federal issue in her home state. And the fact that she couldn't answer that very clearly and forthrightly right away, was an issue. But, you know, she can't say where she really is on this.

I mean, her lead adviser on immigration is on a former president for the National Council of La Raza. That will not play well in a general election. So I think that's where your see Hillary Clinton literally calculating on stage and going through her thoughts. And, you know, then you've got that YouTube clip.

[crosstalk]

PAGE: She might have had a chance if she hadn't held up her hand and jumped back in there again to say, I only halfway meant what I just said?

SIMON: This was a self-inflicted wound. You can make a reasonable case for giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants. You can make a reasonable case for not doing so. What you can't do is make both cases --

KURTZ: In the space of two minutes.

SIMON: -- in the space of two minutes.

KURTZ: Right.

SIMON: That's what she did. She did it by herself. She looked what she's not supposed to look like, which is political. And people didn't like it.

KURTZ: And it's not entirely true that Tim Russert didn't ask any other tough questions. He did ask Dennis Kucinich about whether he saw a UFO.

* Media Matters counted only discrete questions asked of each candidate. Media Matters used the MSNBC debate transcript. In one instance, the transcript incorrectly indicated that Russert asked a question that Williams had actually asked. Media Matters did not count that question.

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    • Author by tommy (November 13, 2007 6:32 pm ET)
         

      Kurtz is specifically tallking about Russert's question on illegal immigrants and drivers licenses, which Hillary danced around, then changed, then waffled, and on and on. Look at all the heat this website alone has given him for "bedeviling" her with probing questions?  

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      • Author by jeter2 (November 13, 2007 6:49 pm ET)
           

        That's how I read Kurtz's remarks too Tommy--he was specifically talking about the Immigration/Drivers License question.

        It's very telling that Hillary, Bill, her camp & followers would define that inquiry by Russert as a "Gotcha question"

        So I guess anytime Hillary is pressed to give a truthful complete answer she's gonna use that accusation?

        God I'm soooooo sick of Hill & Bill.

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        • Author by tommy (November 13, 2007 6:53 pm ET)
             

          I hear ya.

          "Gotcha" questions are when questioners try to intentionally trip up an interviewee by some trivial past contradiction or just to embarass them.......Russert's question was a straightforward one on a proposal favored by the governor of her state, and a very timely issue for the nation.  There was nothing "gotcha" about it and it deserved a straight answer, which she couldn't, or wouldn't do.  To blame Russert is ridiculous.

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          • Author by snoopy (November 13, 2007 7:18 pm ET)
               

            Tell y'all what - I'll be more than happy to let the technicality of the issue be a win for you two once I start hearing questions of similar substance at the GOP debates. I'm tired of hearing which GOP candidate warships god and loves war more (maybe we can just condense that to say they warship the god of war?).

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            • Author by tman418 (November 14, 2007 11:25 am ET)
                 

              I know what you mean Snoopy.

              Republican debates:

              1. Who's cutting the most taxes?

              2. Who's bombing the most places?

              3. Who loves God the most?

              4. Who hates Hillary Clinton the Most?

              5. Who loves Ronald Reagan the Most?

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              • Author by tman418 (November 14, 2007 11:31 am ET)
                   

                But I do agree that Russert's question to Hillary were legitimate. I just wished they would do the same to Republicans.

                My opinion: illegal immigrants pay taxes if they work (and pretty much they all do). If they need a car to get to their job, they should be allowed a driver's license as long as they can drive safely.

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          • Author by darkmass (November 13, 2007 10:25 pm ET)
               

            "Russert's question was a straightforward one on a proposal favored by the governor of her state, and a very timely issue for the nation." - Tommy

            Tommy, Jeter, you need some wider context on a complicated matter...it may not fall to a simplistic approach:

            http://immigration.about.com/od/ussocialeconomicissues/i/DriverLicIssue.htm

            Note that eighteen states (as of publication) "do not require driver’s license applicants to be legal residents".

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            • Author by darkmass (November 13, 2007 10:31 pm ET)
                 

              And it *is* a gotcha question when posed by an interviewer with no investigation nor comprehension of the actual issues.  ...It plays into the hands of those also unwilling to think about complex matters.

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              • Author by tommy (November 14, 2007 11:02 am ET)
                   

                I am fully aware of the issue and it's ramificiations.  I don't believe in giving legal documents such as drivers licenses to those living in this country illegally and that have broken our laws in entering and residing here.  It's very simple, it's not complicated at all.  It was not a gotcha question.  

                Spitzer wanted it because NY has a motor voter law and he saw thousands of new Democratic voters if his proposal went through.......however, he has just withdrawn it because the public wants no part of it.

                Not complicated. 

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                • Author by darkmass (November 14, 2007 4:00 pm ET)
                     

                  "It was not a gotcha question." - Tommy

                  Tommy, simple from your point of view, perhaps, and that's actually all right with me.  But that doesn't make the overall issue a simple one.  If you read my attachment, a case in point...Jeb Bush was behind allowing such licensing--at least at one point.  My gov, dear Ahnold, is behind working something out that does not have the political repercussions.

                  Though I am no better are reading minds or between lines than you are (and no worse, either), I will maintain that if the interviewer was doing a proper job, he would have posed a question that was not designed to get a spot yes or no answer, but instead was intended to draw out a more nuanced response that could have let the viewers gain some education on the issue.

                  That is, the question was a gotcha indeed, if only because the questioner was not interested in exploring the issue...just drawing out a superficial statement which would put someone in an awkward position no matter whether they answered 'yes' or 'no'.

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      • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (November 13, 2007 6:52 pm ET)
           

        You may be right Tommy...

        And this is exactly why Media Matters is pointing Russert's other lies and distortions, which went unreported in the mainstream media.

        Even Howard Kurtz, supposedly a "media critic," is unable to unravel the hack reporting and crap journalism of Tim Russert.

         

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        • Author by RoberttheP (November 13, 2007 7:30 pm ET)
             

          SAVE DEMOCRACY !! VOTE FOR AN INDEPENDENT!!!

          END POLITICAL GRIDLOCK!! END THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!!!

          Russert loves thinking he is apart of the process.

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        • Author by pointofview (November 13, 2007 9:15 pm ET)
             

          what no one can "unravel" is Hillary's answer. 

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 14, 2007 10:45 am ET)
               

            "No One" is a pretty broad term. POV. You may want to qualify that as "no one on your bus..." or "no one who can't unravel the kid's page word search..."

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      • Author by justicetruthus8276 (November 13, 2007 7:47 pm ET)
           

        You nailed this one, tommy-

        Everyone needs to read the latest New Republic article about how the clinton machine is going to war against reporters in an attempt to intimidate them and get them to back off asking tough questions of Hillary.

        These are really scary times for our democracy when the press can be so easily bullied and frightened by the Clinton machine.  

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        • Author by snoopy (November 13, 2007 7:59 pm ET)
             

          As usual, two bricks short of a full load. Bush and the republicans have been at war with the press since 1992. Why do you think they moved heavy hitting reporters out of the front row in favor of powder puffs like Jeff Gannon and Fox news? Tony Snow for white house correspondant? Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and a few other right wingers in the white house for situational 1x1's with ol GW? You only being upset now either shows you haven't been paying attention or you didn't mind until the shoe was on the other foot. That's some real heavy hitting bipartisanship there, JustUs.

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        • Author by therick (November 13, 2007 10:50 pm ET)
             

          "These are really scary times for our democracy when the press can be so easily bullied and frightened by the Clinton machine."--JuTru

          How much scarier can it get?

          You're frightened by the prospect of the press being bullied by the Clinton's, when that has been exactly what's been happening for the last 7 years by the cowboy in chief.  It's offensive that more than 4000 of our troops have been killed due to G.W. Bush.  And our ball deprived press needs to be held accountable for allowing Bush to intimidate them into giving him a pass on everything he's done.

          So I wonder, are you concerned about our democracy when the press can be so easily bullied and frightened by the Bush machine?

           

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    • Author by snoopy (November 13, 2007 6:44 pm ET)
         

      speaking of liberal bloggers and the republicans that love to hate them, I have for your pleasure today's spotlight on hipocracy - starring Bill O'Reilly! Oh, the irony, Bill, who ambushes people with his in your face camera antics while he decry's those he claims want to limit the right to free speech is trying to get a liberal blogger kicked out of law school because he calls his show and does camera ambushes at O'Reilly's house!

      Right wing hipocracy should be re-named eveready, because it just keeps giving, and giving, and giving...

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      • Author by jeter2 (November 13, 2007 6:52 pm ET)
           

        Bill O'Reilly?

        Off Topic Snoop Dog!

        You're in the Doghouse fella, oh & here's a slap on the nose with my newspaper

        ;-)

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      • Author by Sueelldd (November 13, 2007 7:09 pm ET)
           

        What does Bill Oreilly have to do with this?

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        • Author by snoopy (November 13, 2007 7:12 pm ET)
             

          Besides being on Olbermann all the time? ;)

          But I said liberal bloggers, and the blogger in question has been criticizing the right wing as well. Totally relevant! <tee hee!>

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          • Author by Sueelldd (November 13, 2007 7:17 pm ET)
               

            That is my point, I get attacked for bringing up Olbermann when there is relevance and a relationship, you bring up OLielly which has nothing to do with the topic and that is ok. Nice

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      • Author by Bill from Palmdale (November 13, 2007 11:33 pm ET)
           

        There should be a full page ad in the NY Times advising anyone who is ambushed by O'Relly's crew to talk only of his sexual harassment suit and falafel and loofah and nothing else. That would keep O'Reilly from showing the tape on his show.  I think that's called a 'poison pill'. 

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    • Author by Sueelldd (November 13, 2007 7:18 pm ET)
         

      I wonder if Keith Olbermann will mention this ? Doubtful since he has yet to discuss the Russert questions , But if Russert were from FOX we all know he would have been WPITW. Double standard.

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      • Author by snoopy (November 13, 2007 7:22 pm ET)
           

        Oops, there ya go again, ya brought up Olbermann. That is just soooo off topic!

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      • Author by solon (November 13, 2007 8:24 pm ET)
           

        I wonder if your obsession with Olbermann will send you to a nice rubber room with a nice nurse and massive doses of an antipsychotic. Just send him a naked picture, your phone # and a poem stating your devotion and get it done with

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    • Author by RoberttheP (November 13, 2007 7:28 pm ET)
         

      SAVE DEMOCRACY !! VOTE FOR AN INDEPENDENT!!!

      END POLITICAL GRIDLOCK!! END THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!!!

      Kurtz ignored the entire episode of how Russert made things up. Issue I see is that Russert is part of the two party system and loves his big head.

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    • Author by pointofview (November 13, 2007 9:14 pm ET)
         

      All of this talk of Russert, and the fact remains that Hillary can not answer a simple yes or no question.  Of course that is Russert's fault, he was unfair in asking a candidate a question at a debate.  And then...oh my....he asked her a follow up.  How could he?

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      • Author by Bill from Palmdale (November 13, 2007 11:54 pm ET)
           

        "Do you support giving children drugs?  Yes or no.  Quick, answer the question.  Yes or no. 

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        • Author by solon (November 14, 2007 1:16 am ET)
             

          Apparantly he cant give a yes or no answer. What a suprise

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 14, 2007 11:00 am ET)
               

            That's because you're unfair, and didn't let him pick the question.

            I was laughing at this same point being made on another thread. The con posters were smugly criticizing Hillary's remarks by bragging about how clearly they would answer questions about abortion and illegal immigration.

            As long as thay get to choose topics that they see in black and white, they have no trouble answering. The torture and giving children drugs examples are good. Obviously, as they received no response from those who are outraged at ambiguous responses.

            How about another question, especially for the  values voters conservatives;

            Are you in favor of the government taking billions of dollars of your tax money to kill inocent people?

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (November 13, 2007 9:18 pm ET)
         

      Russert lied and lied - twice by MMFA's count, seven times by mine. Kurtz then took on the challenge of making that OK - which Tommy, and AA, and Jeter2, and Sueeld and various others have accepted as sufficient to the cause. Russert is a small-minded, useless, liar; Kurtz is, in addition to his accomplice, independently a small-minded, useless liar. Hmmm . . .  as some would say, "I'll call this one for MMFA."

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    • Author by Bill from Palmdale (November 13, 2007 11:50 pm ET)
         

      "Would you favor the death penalty if your wife was raped and murdered?"  Oh, wait, that was Bernard Shaw from CNN.  These guys like Russert like to be the 'one' that does it.  In a way, I doubt if they're really interested in the answer as much as getting off on asking it. 

      The MSM deserve all the criticism they get.  They do a lousy job.  I don't know if they're incompetent or doing it on purpose.  They'll pull up a quote from years ago but then 'interpret' what the person's response is when it  suits them.  How many times have you read or heard of a politicians response that isn't directly quoted but paraphrased in a way that isn't accurate.  The interviewers and reporters should have been creating a safe environment for the truth to be told instead of 'gotcha'.  The politicians respond by being evasive or even lying.  The reporters expect the pols to lie and the pols don't trust the reporters to accurately report. 

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    • Author by sparkypat427 (November 14, 2007 10:57 am ET)
         

      does anyone get any info before posting. The thuth never makes the press...xcept for a small blip on page 40...read this and then post...

      Clinton's October 31 statement, quoted by the Post and the Globe, read as follows:

      Senator Clinton supports governors like Governor Spitzer who believe they need such a measure to deal with the crisis caused by this administration's failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform. As President, her goal will be to pass comprehensive immigration reform that would make this unnecessary.

      From the November 1 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

      DOOCY: Well, she did issue a statement yesterday to clarify her official statement.

      BRIAN KILMEADE (co-host): OK, good. Let's hear this.

      DOOCY: OK. Does this make any sense to you out there in TV land?

      "Senator Clinton supports governors like Governor Spitzer who believe they need such a measure to deal with the crisis caused by this administration's failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform. As president, her goal will be to pass comprehensive immigration reform that would make this necessary."

      So what's that mean?

      CARLSON: I don't know. It's hard to understand, and I guess that might be the point, guys. Because, you know, politicians don't like to take stands on sometimes on really serious issues, because then they offend the other side.

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    • Author by sparkypat427 (November 14, 2007 11:12 am ET)
         

      As you read the last posting from me note the difference of Hillary's quote to Fox and Fiends quote...How very revealling and sooooo dishonest... 

      As you see the press isn't interested as much in the truth as they are in the "gotcha"moment to continue the dissemination of misquoting.ie lies.

      This subject of immigration and what to do is FAR and AWAY bigger than a 30 second response and a debate should include answers from ALL the candidates, not focused on ONE candidate.

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