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CNN's Malveaux noted H.W. Bush's defense of son on Iraq, but not his assertion in 1990s that invasion would have been "disastrous"

November 13, 2007 7:23 pm ET

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SUMMARY: In a report on CNN's Late Edition, Suzanne Malveaux reported that President George H.W. Bush recently came out "very forcefully defending" his son against critics of his decision to invade Iraq "because he feels that he does have some experience when it comes to dealing with Saddam Hussein, and he absolutely believes that the criticism against his son has just not been fair." But Malveaux did not mention that the former president declined to order an invasion of Iraq in 1991, saying that after coalition forces expelled Iraqi troops from Kuwait, "going into Baghdad" and "going to be an occupying power ... with no allies on our side ... would have been disastrous."

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On the November 11 edition of CNN's Late Edition, CNN White House correspondent Suzanne Malveaux asserted that former President George H.W. Bush recently came out "very forcefully defending" his son, President George W. Bush, against critics of his decision to invade Iraq "because he feels that he does have some experience when it comes to dealing with Saddam Hussein, and he absolutely believes that the criticism against his son has just not been fair." Yet Malveaux did not mention that the elder President Bush declined to order an invasion of Iraq during the 1991 Gulf War and later defended that decision by saying that after coalition forces expelled Iraqi troops from Kuwait, "going into Baghdad" and "going to be an occupying power -- America in an Arab land -- with no allies on our side. It would have been disastrous."

In a November 9 article, USA Today reported that, during an interview with the newspaper the previous day, President George H.W. Bush "forcefully defended his son's handling of the Iraq war ... saying critics of the current president have forgotten the 'extraordinary brutality' of deposed Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein." Unlike Malveaux's report, however, the article noted that the elder Bush "rejected calls to topple Saddam" and that an interactive computer program installed at his presidential library at Texas A&M University "that allows visitors to consider options Bush weighed during the Gulf War ... calls the idea of going to Baghdad 'very tempting' but says it 'would have been a disastrous decision,' splintering the international coalition and leaving U.S. and possibly British troops on their own in Iraq."

At a reunion of Operation Desert Storm veterans in February 1999, President George H.W. Bush explained his administration's decision to forgo invading Iraq and toppling Saddam from power after Iraqi forces were forced to withdraw from Kuwait in 1991. He speculated that it might have resulted in "a fruitless hunt in an urban guerilla war to find the most-secure dictator in the world," asking, "Whose life would be on my hands as the commander-in-chief because I, unilaterally, went beyond the international law, went beyond the stated mission, and said we're going to show our macho?" Bush then added that "[w]e're going into Baghdad. We're going to be an occupying power -- America in an Arab land -- with no allies at our side. It would have been disastrous."

In the memoir he co-wrote with his former national security adviser Brent Scowcroft, A World Transformed (Knopf, September 1998), the elder Bush stated that an invasion of Iraq would have led to "incalculable human and political costs" and that the coalition would have "instantly collapsed":

Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different -- and perhaps barren -- outcome.

From the November 11 edition of CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer:

BLITZER: Suzanne, I want you to listen to what the current president of the United States, George Bush, said about his legacy this past week in an interview with German TV.

BUSH [video clip]: I think I'll be remembered as a guy who, you know, was dealt some pretty tough issues to deal with and I dealt with them head on. You know, I didn't try to shy away. I didn't, you know -- I didn't sacrifice. I just was -- I was firm. And that I made decisions based upon principles, not based upon the latest Gallup poll.

BLITZER: Is he already looking ahead to -- you know, he's still got more than a year to go on the job. What do you think?

MALVEAUX: I know that he wants to get some things done, but, obviously, he is looking at his legacy as well. Usually when the legacy question comes up, it's a journalist who's asked him about it, whether or not he has any regrets.

And he's always saying that, in the long term, he feels that he will be validated, his policies will be validated. So, he believes, because George Washington is still being analyzed, that, in his lifetime, there really isn't going to be an accurate assessment of his presidency. It's going to be long after he's gone.

What was interesting is that we actually heard from his father, Bush 41, this week, coming out very forcefully defending his son here. I mean, obviously, the former president, he has nothing to lose. This is a guy who's 83 years old, jumped out of an airplane, did another skydiving trip just this past week to memorialize, to mark off the remodeling of his own presidential library.

And he is coming out very forcefully to defend his son because he feels that he does have some experience when it comes to dealing with Saddam Hussein, and he absolutely believes that the criticism against his son has just not been fair.

BLITZER: Suzanne Malveaux, get ready for Las Vegas. She's going to be there with me, with John Roberts, with Campbell Brown for the next Democratic presidential debate. That's Thursday night. Suzanne, thanks very much.

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    • Author by bruce1ace (November 13, 2007 7:27 pm ET)
         

      Didn't a few things happen between 1991 and 2002?

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      • Author by Sueelldd (November 13, 2007 7:33 pm ET)
           

        Yes

        Sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children, relentless bombings by the Bush 41 and Clinton administrations.

        Amazing

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      • Author by solon (November 13, 2007 8:20 pm ET)
           

        Yes a few things did change but none of them which changed THIS dynamic

        We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different -- and perhaps barren -- outcome.

        It was still relevant

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      • Author by Brabantio (November 13, 2007 8:42 pm ET)
           

        "Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs."

        What had changed to make such human and political costs irrelevant or negligible? 

        "Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well."

        Indeed, we have had to rule Iraq.  The coalition is all but gone.  Nothing that happened during that timespan changed that dynamic, or could have been reasonably thought would do so.

        "Under those circumstances, there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles."

        Check.  Considering the Bush administration has never wanted to discuss this, it would seem clear they knew they would never have one as well.  No change.

        "Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different -- and perhaps barren -- outcome."

        No change here either.  Obviously that was a distinct possibility, no matter what happened between 1991 and 2002.

        The only thing that changed is that we had a means to sell such a war to misguided and overzealous people.  There were always factions that were going to fight over a power vacuum.  Iraq was a primary opponent to Iran, who we wanted to keep in check, then and now.

        There was no more reason to believe that the invasion would actually work in 2002 than there was in 1990, or 1917 when the British tried the same thing. 

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        • Author by bruce1ace (November 14, 2007 7:23 am ET)
             

          There are many , including some Democrats -namely your 2004 candidate for President -, who believe that it wasn't the decision to invade that was the mistake, but rather the manner in which we conducted the invasion and specifically the "victory".

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          • Author by Brabantio (November 14, 2007 8:15 am ET)
               

            Part of that is that they're spineless jellyfish who were afraid of appearing "weak on terror".  Another part is that they were not given the full evidence of WMD's, meaning they were not shown the actual lack of such evidence.  Aluminum tubes?  Trailers?  Yellowcake?  Bunk, all of it.  They believed the lies or made a cowardly political calculation and then wanted to make themselves look better for caving in on the AUMF.

            So I don't take such comments at any value.  We're invading a country for no valid or legally sound reason, we're creating a power vacuum for different factions to fight over, and there are other countries who have a vested interest in who gains that power.  How we go about that invasion doesn't change any of those factors, regardless of what any politician says.

             

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            • Author by bruce1ace (November 14, 2007 11:39 am ET)
                 

              I'm not saying I agree with the invasion, especially after no WMD were found.  But there were several reasons given in support of invading, of which WMD was only one.  Whether those reasons were "legally valid" or not is probably arguable either way. 

              Saddam was told in no uncertain terms to give us verification that his weapons had been destroyed or we would disarm him and he did not account for everything that he previously was known to have.  That's what I remember.

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              • Author by Brabantio (November 14, 2007 12:45 pm ET)
                   

                What I remember is him pulling the weapons inspectors out before they were finished doing their job so that we could invade.

                The point about that was that we wouldn't be able to maintain any coalition under those circumstances.  If Bush41 was worried about that when Saddam invaded Kuwait, then obviously there had to be a really good reason to do it at all.  We have yet to see one, and the questionable legality of it compounds that problem.  9/11 didn't change any of that, and I don't know what else would have either.

                 

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              • Author by solon (November 14, 2007 5:19 pm ET)
                   

                I remember them producing thousands of pages of documents which we immediatly said wasnt good enoug. I dont think paperwork mistakes are a very good reason to invade a country.

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      • Author by wzwriter (November 14, 2007 9:58 am ET)
           

        Didn't a few things happen between 1991 and 2002?

        Not enough to justify Dubya's illegal war.

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      • Author by Pithaughn (November 14, 2007 10:39 am ET)
           

        You mean like Saddam ordering some boys to fly airplanes into big buildings right?

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    • Author by scooter (November 13, 2007 7:31 pm ET)
         

      The days of King George II really make the days of George I look that much brighter. Not much has changed since 1991, just the players.

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (November 13, 2007 7:34 pm ET)
         

      George 1 knew Cheney was wrong in 1990 and put the brakes on the crazy man.

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    • Author by Sueelldd (November 13, 2007 7:34 pm ET)
         

      Clinton bombed Iraq in 93 for attempting to Kill Bush 41. Was this a lie?

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/timeline/062793.htm

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      • Author by DorisRussell (November 13, 2007 7:44 pm ET)
           

        Its what intelligence said in 93 and its why Bush attacked Saddam because they tried to kill his Daddy

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      • Author by solon (November 13, 2007 8:21 pm ET)
           

        Yeah he did and that has WHAT to do with an INVASION?

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    • Author by Sueelldd (November 13, 2007 7:35 pm ET)
         

      "It was an elaborate plan devised by the Iraqi government and directed against a former president of the United States because of actions he took as president," Clinton said. Bush led the coalition that drove Iraq from Kuwait in the 1991 Persian Gulf War. "As such, the Iraqi attack against President Bush was an attack against our country and against all Americans," Clinton said.

      After two months of investigation and mounting evidence, Clinton became convinced during two "exhaustive and exhausting" meetings last week that Iraq was indeed behind a foiled car-bomb plot to kill Bush during his visit to Kuwait April 14-16, a senior administration official said.

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    • Author by MickD (November 13, 2007 7:41 pm ET)
         

      Poppy's defense of GWB is not news. What would he "lose" anyway?

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    • Author by DorisRussell (November 13, 2007 7:43 pm ET)
         

      What was interesting is that we actually heard from his father, Bush 41, this week, coming out very forcefully defending his son here. I mean, obviously, the former president, he has nothing to lose. This is a guy who's 83 years old, jumped out of an airplane, did another skydiving trip just this past week to memorialize, to mark off the remodeling of his own presidential library.

      Amazing that at 83 he can jump out of an airplane. Hey Sueld, did your friend Keith Olbermann cover his jumping out of a plane? ;)

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    • Author by robrob (November 14, 2007 12:18 am ET)
         

      It's not a shock Bush(41) would flip-flop on his opinion about invading Iraq. Didn't he used to refer to Reagan's "Supply Side Economics" as "Voodoo Economics" (just before being nominated VP and embracing it)?

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      • Author by wzwriter (November 14, 2007 10:19 am ET)
           

        That's right.  Poppy is a flip-flopping wimp, and Junior is just an idiot.

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      • Author by pointofview (November 14, 2007 6:45 pm ET)
           

        Yea....kind of like how Kerry attacked Edwards, said he was not even sure if he was alive when Kerry was in the military.....only to make him the VP on the ticket.  Kind of Like how Edwards said he would not accept a VP slot, only to become the running mate.  It that really the best you got?

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    • Author by nerzog (November 14, 2007 9:38 am ET)
         

      We have a rare opportunity here to watch revisionist history in the making. It will happen slowly, but within a decade, they'll have the Bush family looking like brilliant visionaries, making the world safe from the Islamic hordes. The Corporate Media Liars will assign phony sainthood to Puddinhead George, much as they've done for Ronald Reagan. Now that they can point to some "success" in Iraq, the whitewash will be generously applied to cover up their copious blunders. Nobody in the Bush administration will ever admit that invading Iraq was a mistake.

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    • Author by Pithaughn (November 14, 2007 10:43 am ET)
         

      Oh I get it now. If I tell my son not to buy that used motorcycle, by golly, you can bet the farm that soon that motorcycle will be in my garage, torn apart and waiting for the next paycheck to buy parts.

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    • Author by hstybuf6553 (November 14, 2007 12:48 pm ET)
         

      Saddam Hussein tried to assasinate George H.W. Bush when he visited Kuwait.  I think that would be reason enough to invade.

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      • Author by Pithaughn (November 14, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
           

        Maybe. But then what? How would you plan for the post invasion occupation? See, not so easy to actually live with the consequences of your actions in the real world.

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    • Author by DEMS_SOL (November 14, 2007 5:37 pm ET)
         

      This si not misinformation - this is MMFA whining over how CNN didn't report the story the way they wanted to hear it.

      Here's a clue MMFA - most of us who were alive in 1991 know we did not go into Baghdad, and we know why.  CNN obviously knows we are smarter than you give us credit for.  Maybe you should do yourselves a favor and start hiring hacks over 15 years old.

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      • Author by pointofview (November 14, 2007 6:40 pm ET)
           

        I agree,,,it is NOT mis info.  They simply reported a story.  Why is it mis-leading that he defended his son?  Sadam could have avoided the invasion, and chose not to.  How many millions did he murder?  Guess that does not matter, as long as the left can find away to attack the President.

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