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On Hannity & Colmes, Bozell asserted -- despite complete lack of evidence -- that Hillary Clinton was "behind" obtaining confidential FBI files

November 14, 2007 12:39 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, Media Research Center president L. Brent Bozell III asserted: "[W]e knew that she [Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton] was in the middle of things. We knew that she was behind the whole FBI-gates." However, in March 2000, independent counsel Robert Ray determined that: "[T]here was no substantial and credible evidence that any senior White House official, or First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, was involved in seeking confidential Federal Bureau of Investigation background reports of former White House staff from the administrations of President Bush and President Reagan."

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On the November 12 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Media Research Center president L. Brent Bozell III said to co-host Sean Hannity, regarding his book Whitewash: What the Media Won't Tell You About Hillary Clinton, but Conservatives Will (Crown Forum, November 2007): "[W]ell, we've looked at every single story on [Sen.] Hillary Clinton [D-NY] going back to 1992. And you look at it and you isolate it, and you see what the American people were told, which was just a one-way street, where every time a scandal came out, there was an immediate wall thrown up by the media blocking it from the American people." Bozell continued: "[W]e knew that she was in the middle of things. We knew that she was behind the whole FBI-gates." Bozell then asked, "What were they doing with 338 FBI files of Republicans that she was in charge of?" However, as Media Matters for America documented, in March 2000, Robert Ray, the third and final counsel assigned to investigate the Clintons, determined that, with regard to members of the Clinton White House having obtained confidential FBI files, "[T]here was no substantial and credible evidence that any senior White House official, or First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, was involved in seeking confidential Federal Bureau of Investigation background reports of former White House staff from the administrations of President Bush and President Reagan.''

According to the findings in Ray's report, "The Independent Counsel has concluded his investigation and determined that no indictments should be brought in this matter." From Ray's report:

The Independent Counsel concluded that neither [former White House security worker] Anthony Marceca nor any senior White House official, or First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, engaged in criminal conduct to obtain through fraudulent means derogatory information about former White House staff. The possibility that such officials might have engaged in such criminal conduct was the principal investigative issue that resulted in the appointment of an independent counsel with respect to this matter.

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Finally, the Independent Counsel concluded that although portions of Mr. Marceca's testimony before Congress were false and misleading, his testimony regarding the central issue that necessitated the appointment of an independent counsel was, on this point, truthful: No senior White House official, or Mrs. Clinton, was involved in requesting FBI background reports for improper partisan advantage.

Ray's report further stated:

The Independent Counsel has, however, concluded that the allegations giving rise to this Office's investigation of the matter were not substantiated by the evidence. No reasonable ground exists for concluding that any senior White House official or Mrs. Clinton was involved in Mr. Marceca's actions in obtaining the background files.

Also during the show, Bozell asserted: "You know what was shocking this week, in the last 10 days? It was shocking, was to see the media finally, after 15 years -- finally, one week of negative press on Hillary. When was the last time you saw this?" Co-host Alan Colmes later asked: "Remember Whitewater? ... It was broken by The New York Times and The Washington Post, the so-called liberal media," to which Bozell replied: "They defended her." Bozell did not explain how the Times and the Post "defended" Clinton during Whitewater. As Media Matters has documented, in a January 5, 1994, editorial, the Post called for a special counsel to investigate the Clintons even while acknowledging that "there has been no credible charge in this case that either the president or Mrs. Clinton did anything wrong." From the editorial:

The administration has taken the position that there's no need to name an independent counsel in the Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan case. It argues that the investigation is safely in the hands of career Justice Department attorneys, that the president and Mrs. Clinton are cooperating fully even though not directly involved and that the attorney general has no current power to appoint a fully independent counsel anyway.

We think that's wrong -- that, murky though most aspects of this case still are, it represents precisely the kind of case in which an independent counsel ought to be appointed. We say that even though -- and this should be stressed -- there has been no credible charge in this case that either the president or Mrs. Clinton did anything wrong. Nevertheless, it is in the public interest -- and in the president's as well -- to put the inquiry in independent hands.

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There is no way even under the best of circumstances, which don't exist here, that a Justice Department in any administration can conduct a credible investigation involving a president to whom it is ultimately responsible. That's what's at issue in this matter -- and why an independent figure should be named.

Further, as Media Matters also documented, in his book, A Woman in Charge: The Life of Hillary Rodham Clinton (Knopf, June 2007), Carl Bernstein faults the media -- specifically The New York Times and The Washington Post -- for their reporting on the Whitewater controversy, which he writes was based on "assumptions" and "assertions" that "were often contextually misleading, exaggerated in significance, and sometimes factually off-base." From A Woman in Charge:

Later, the Clintons, seared and scarred by the press and opposition party for their own ethical lapses, complained bitterly that from their first days in office they had been singled out and judged by harsher standards than any of their predecessors, and victimized by a consortium of enemies and an overzealous press. There is little question that they were treated more harshly, and often pursued with different standards and more relentlessly -- during virtually the whole of their occupancy of the White House -- than any president and his wife of the twentieth century. Moreover, the underlying assumptions of some of the basic charges and assertions that fueled the unceasing investigation -- most notably those related to the so-called Whitewater matter, beginning with a series of stories in the New York Times and others covering similar ground in the Washington Post -- were often contextually misleading, exaggerated in significance, and sometimes factually off-base [Page 233].

Bozell similarly asserted on the November 13 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends that after examining coverage of Clinton, he and Whitewash co-author Tim Graham concluded that "since 1992, the media have been her [Clinton's] cheerleaders." He continued: "Every single time she's gotten into trouble, they throw up a big wall between her and the American people, the American people don't learn the truth about her, she continues doing what she's been doing, and to this day, you're seeing that same pattern."

From the November 12 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: We've been spending most of the night here -- first of all, I'm very honored, because I was -- I'm a part of your brand-new book here. You interviewed Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, myself.

COLMES: Sorry I couldn't make it.

HANNITY: The Great One, Mark Levin.

BOZELL: Yah, tried to get you.

HANNITY: You know, Newt Gingrich. You interviewed a lot of us here. You were able to weave together a story about Hillary that the media won't tell. Now, I agree with what Newt said, and I've been saying it every day, both on radio and TV, positive message, but this other side needs to be told, as well, if the Republicans plan on winning.

BOZELL: Well, I think, you know, whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, conservative or a liberal, I think you not only have the right, but you have the responsibility to know what's going on. You know, we spent eight years in the Clinton administration with even liberals saying that this was the most corrupt administration in history, and people are scratching their heads and saying, "How is it that they're back?"

Well, we've looked at every single story on Hillary Clinton going back to 1992. And you look at it and you isolate it, and you see what the American people were told, which was just a one-way street, where every time a scandal came out, there was an immediate wall thrown up by the media blocking it from the American people.

HANNITY: All right, but this is what is amazing about -- this book is so timely in light of the fact she wouldn't answer a simple question, and this is on a series of issues. She's not had to answer any real tough questions. Does she get to go through the whole campaign like this?

BOZELL: That's why -- well, that's why any time a conservative -- and you're going to do it to me.

HANNITY: And not staging questions --

BOZELL: Every time a conservative raises a question about Hillary, "It's old news. We've gone through it. Do we have to go through it again?" Look, the point is there are real issues, real scandals, real controversies, and we've never really gotten an answer.

HANNITY: And now she's staging questions.

BOZELL: And now we know -- and we know -- we knew that she was in the middle of things. We knew that she was behind the whole FBI-gates --

HANNITY: Release the archives.

BOZELL: Well, this has been secrecy that goes on back to -- back to the 1980s. They don't tell the truth. What were they doing with 338 FBI files of Republicans that she was in charge of?

HANNITY: All right. What are the top questions you think that she needs to answer? And do you really think that for the rest of her campaign -- you quoted me in this book, and I stand by this today -- that the number one campaign contribution she'll get in this election cycle is from the left-wing media, the MoveOn.org media.

BOZELL: Absolutely, because just taking away all the scandals, just looking at the policies, when you see her consistently labeled as a moderate and a centrist -- Time magazine this week called her a moral conservative.

HANNITY: Yeah.

COLMES: She is.

BOZELL: And you see her voting record --

COLMES: Let me ask you a question about --

BOZELL: Just look at her voting record, Alan. It's not the same.

COLMES: Just let me ask you this: Are you going to vote for her?

BOZELL: Yeah, sure, Alan. I think I saw a pig flying across the screen.

COLMES: First of all, let me go to this [Robert] Redford movie.

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COLMES: We don't know the answer to that. It's only been out a week. All right. Hillary Clinton, the Pew Research Center. The tone of the Hillary coverage has been 26.9 percent positive, 35.4 percent neutral, 37.8 percent negative. You love to go on about how she's getting all this positive -- how the press just wants to give her a pass. That's not true. It's certainly not true in talk radio, not true in cable news.

BOZELL: I don't believe those numbers at all.

COLMES: Of course you don't. It doesn't comport with your point of view. Just like you decide this movie hates America.

BOZELL: You know what was shocking this week, in the last 10 days? It was shocking, was to see the media finally, after 15 years -- finally, one week of negative press on Hillary. When was the last time you saw this?

COLMES: You don't want to believe numbers you don't agree with, but if these numbers comported with your point of view, you'd be heralding them. You'd come in with headlines.

BOZELL: OK. Alan, Alan. OK, Alan. Answer me this question. When was the last time you saw two consecutive days --not one week -- two consecutive days of negative coverage on Hillary Clinton?

COLMES: Yesterday and today.

BOZELL: No, no. Before this week. Before this week. I'm saying in the last 15 years. That's what this book says.

COLMES: Remember Whitewater?

BOZELL: Negative on Hillary?

COLMES: It was broken by The New York Times and The Washington Post, the so-called liberal media.

BOZELL: Negative on Hillary?

COLMES: You've got to be kidding me.

BOZELL: They defended her.

COLMES: Nice seeing you. Thanks for being here.

HANNITY: By the way, I love the book. You should read the part where he interviewed me.

BOZELL: Read it and learn.

COLMES: Yeah, thanks for coming to get a liberal point of view in that book. I appreciate it.

From the November 13 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

BOZELL: Well, you know, what? When we thought of the idea at first, we wondered, "Should we do another book on Hillary Clinton?" Then we isolated the media coverage of Hillary alone, and it was astounding. My colleague Tim Graham and I looked at this and we said, "This is a pattern, where, since 1992, the media have been her cheerleaders." Every single time she's gotten into trouble, they throw up a big wall between her and the American people, the American people don't learn the truth about her, she continues doing what she's been doing, and to this day, you're seeing that same pattern. Look at the Norman Hsu scandal that we just went through.

CARLSON: The bundling campaign-donation scandal.

BOZELL: Here is, as Bob Tyrell calls it, the chop suey connection. Here's another Asian fundraiser who's sneaking money. The L.A. Times just broke a story about Chinatown money coming to Hillary, and no one knows where these donors are. This is a continuation of that, but the networks -- ABC, NBC, CNN primarily -- simply will not report it. And the media as a whole will not get to the bottom of these stories. If someone writes a story, no one ever gets to the resolution phase to find out exactly what happened.

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    • Author by Marker (November 14, 2007 12:44 pm ET)
         

      Yes the deadly and dreaded Clinton's. Repug's have their worst nightmare day after day, HILLARY. C'mon conservative panty wastes, man up, Hillary isn't that scary.  Good one for Media Matters, bad for Bozo-ell.

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      • Author by tommy (November 14, 2007 12:48 pm ET)
           

        Are you kidding?  The Republicans would give their collective right arms to run against Hillary.

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        • Author by Marker (November 14, 2007 12:53 pm ET)
             

          Are you kidding? Ask 100 repugs and get 100 different answers to the Hillary question. Overall she wins a general election.

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          • Author by tommy (November 14, 2007 12:55 pm ET)
               

            I know I should take your election prediction to the bank, but I would be overdrawn, sorry.

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            • Author by Marker (November 14, 2007 12:58 pm ET)
                 

              Sorry, you need to have something in the bank to start with. By the way, the sheeple of the country will vote for her, I won't.

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          • Author by MiddleLeft (November 14, 2007 2:34 pm ET)
               

            Overall she wins a general election.

            Actually I believe she is about two percentage points (not significant) behind Rudi right now at pollingreport.com.  Her negatives have probably peaked (couldn't get much higher?) and the fact is that things are NOT going to get much better for republicans in world affairs, or the economy over the next 12 months.  How could they possibly break a 7 year trend?  People will want a change.

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      • Author by Sueelldd (November 14, 2007 1:16 pm ET)
           

        Republicans can not wait to run against Hillary, it is the dream they want. This will again give America more division, more hate and another 4 or 8 years of gridlock.

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        • Author by jeter2 (November 14, 2007 2:04 pm ET)
             

          SueEld,

          You can bet the Republicans would love to run against Hillary!

          This would electrify the party to get out & vote against her. Right now the Republicans, IMO, have a fairly lethargic attitude towards their own candidates. But put Hillary on the Dem ticket & then get out of the way. Republicans & others will knock you over to get to a voting booth.

          I know I will.

          The only Republican I won't vote for is Rudy. If it's a Rudy-Hills matchup, I'll sit it out.

          But if the Dems nominate Obama or Biden [long shot], I will seriously give consideration to either one.

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          • Author by DorisRussell (November 14, 2007 2:20 pm ET)
               

            Jeter

            Why will you not support Rudy? Is he too "liberal" for you?

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            • Author by jeter2 (November 14, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
                 

              Doris,

              First & foremost I just don't like the guy. His brazen attempt to capitalize on 9/11, his poor judgment concerning Bernie Kerik, his views on Iraq. I could go on....

              To me there is no lesser of two evils between Rudy & Hillary.

              His being more "Liberal" than the other Republican candidates on certain issues has nada to do with it, note that I said I'd consider voting for Obama or Biden. These guys are hardly Conservatives.

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              • Author by seeryer (November 14, 2007 2:58 pm ET)
                   

                How evil was Bill Clinton's administration?  Did you survive those eight years?  Answer me this, do you think Rudy and Republicans take governing as serious as Hillary and the Democrats?  Also, if you had to vote on which, out of WJC and GWB, had the more succesful administration looking strictly at economic, domestic and foreign policy actions and results?  I know you know the answer but will you admit that a president that is more comparable to Bush than Clinton is by far much more of a risk to this country in 2008?  

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                • Author by jeter2 (November 14, 2007 3:08 pm ET)
                     

                  Also, if you had to vote on which, out of WJC and GWB, had the more succesful administration looking strictly at economic, domestic and foreign policy actions and results?  I know you know the answer but will you admit that a president that is more comparable to Bush than Clinton is by far much more of a risk to this country in 2008?

                  Um last time I checked Hillary, NOT Bill was running for President.

                  I consider Hillary a Bush Lite.

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                  • Author by mefirst (November 14, 2007 3:31 pm ET)
                       

                    and the republicans are pretty much bush all over.  they may complain,  but i don't see them making any pledges to change his policies.

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          • Author by tommy (November 14, 2007 2:23 pm ET)
               

            J, 

            I agree with everything you've said. 

            Although there are some qualities about Hillary I liked, I did think she was tough, but this latest incident with her whining and playing the gender card dispels that for the time being - and her waflling response on illegal immigrants is troubling for me - I cannot imagine now ever voting for her, and there was a distant chance I would considering the pathetic Republican field.

            But I will not vote for Rudy either, and Romney is hardly my favorite......it all depends on the matchup, as you say. 

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            • Author by neondesert (November 14, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
                 

              Tommy, I suggest you jump into the fray long before it reaches the "matchup" stage, if you hope to save your republican party.  Democrats are seeing the same thing now as they let the DLC and the media choose their candidate.  It won't be long before we get another prez with all the competence of Bush - the guy who singlehandedly changed the saying "the lesser of two evils is still evil" to "the lesser of two evils is still lesser".

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              • Author by tommy (November 14, 2007 2:37 pm ET)
                   

                I am not a registered Republican, so the fray is their own, they are free to choose their candidate as are the Democrats.  I will then decide who I support, if either nominee.

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            • Author by jeter2 (November 14, 2007 2:40 pm ET)
                 

              Tommy, I agree with you about Hillary. I was considering her BEFORE this recent turn of events. Part of the reason was that getting Bill back in the White House was appealing.

              However, the last few weeks have brought back a flood of memories of just how divisive this couple can be [to be fair, not always their fault].

              Watching the Clinton Camp in action reminds me of the Bush Camp. Sorry, but I want no part of that!

              I could live with Romney or even McCain. But I'd rather not.

              Obama does interest me. I have to admit my wife [a Democrat] is a huge Obama supporter so she might be instrumental in swaying my vote ;-)

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              • Author by halfaworldaway (November 15, 2007 1:37 pm ET)
                   

                not to be rude or offensive jeter but i bet the withholding of several joyous marital activities will b a factor in your voting 

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        • Author by seeryer (November 14, 2007 2:48 pm ET)
             

          Sue,

          Regardless of who the Dem nominee is the other side is going to come after he or she unrelentlessly.  The only difference with Hillary is it will be familiar attacks.  These may annoy you more than a fresh "scandal" about Obama or Edwards but the volume and tone will be the same pitch no matter who the Dems choose.  Hillary is the only nominee that has lived in that house for 8 years and no first lady has been under the microspcope Hillary endured.  Not too mention her closest adviser and husband presided over America's most proposperous years in who knows how long.  Partisans will continue to fight old battles and will pick new ones as well.  At least Hillary is battle tested and not afraid to punch back.  With that said, my primary vote will go to John Edwards.  He represents true Democrats' vision of American government and its role in the world.  However, the entrenched power of the Clintons combined with the freshnees of Obama leaves JE '08 on the outside looking in. 

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    • Author by mefirst (November 14, 2007 12:45 pm ET)
         

      bozell apparently doesn't understand no evidence and no grounds.

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      • Author by wzwriter (November 14, 2007 1:59 pm ET)
           

        That's how it works in the rest of the universe, but not in Bozell Bizzaro World.

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        • Author by neondesert (November 14, 2007 2:24 pm ET)
             

          Brent Bozell?  The guy who with serial deliberation uses misquotes to "expose" left-wing media bias for his Media Research Center?

          I would say he has a very firm grasp on the concept, just so he can hide it behind his back when that would better suit him.

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          • Author by wzwriter (November 14, 2007 2:49 pm ET)
               

            MMFA could devote an entire second site to the falsehoods on the Media Rersearch Center's cybersewer page.

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    • Author by Marker (November 14, 2007 12:50 pm ET)
         

      Off topic but Media Matters should look at the repug propaganda on the ticker up there about "Lions for Lambs".  Far from being Redfords anti-war film it gives both sides fair treatment, but of course Fake noise doesn't.

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      • Author by dexteritas0071418 (November 14, 2007 1:04 pm ET)
           

        Also to be noted that, by all critic accounts, it's a terrible movie.

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      • Author by pete592 (November 14, 2007 1:07 pm ET)
           

        Right wingers don't need to see movies to conclude that they are liberal, pro-terrorist propoganda.  All they need to know is who's in them, who directed them and who financed them.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 14, 2007 1:07 pm ET)
           

        Marker, it may have been edited out of this same conversation above, but I believe Bozell admitted to not having seen the movie.I think Jon Stewart mentioned it, but that's my dozing-off recollection from last night.

        Bozell may be challenging Krauthammer and Kristol in the Never-Right* derby.

        * meaning "correct", natch.

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    • Author by dbeden4153 (November 14, 2007 1:03 pm ET)
         

      I saw this night before last and was wondering when they were going to post SOMETHING about that entire segment.  Bozell is certainly a tool...and Colmes, or all people, definitely owned him.  

       

      Does anyone actually remember Whitewater? because I do, and Hillary was ripped a new one by the so-called "liberal" media  

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    • Author by dangrady (November 14, 2007 1:04 pm ET)
         

      SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!

      Media Research Center has had the kind of reception, and success that it deserves, and is stil in tack for the same reasons. Corporate donations & a Neo-Con devotition to the message no matter how much it cost this empty headed disaster would be on the streets.

      Bozell is a liar that tells the same lies, distortions, and propaganda that is so obviously self serving that even has devoted Republicans blushing when this clay-footed anti-intellectual trys to make his stories ring true.

      We know they think Americans are stupid, ignorant, and un-educated as they have been working hard for the past 30 years to take civics out of the classroom, and torpedo public school educations across the nation. The idea is that they sound like the intellectual in a room full of the illiterate, and thus may have their lies ring true.

      It's the Republican Agenda that has us revisiting things like the Monkey Trial, and the merits of evolution opposed to the Bible stil in the 21st Century!

      The question on my mind is for those who are just adverse to government taxing like we did before Reagan, and are willing to accept any Evangelical fanatic, xenophobic shock jock, or ignorant pundit's propaganda that has resulted in the greatest budget deficit in human history that will undoubtedly require more taxation; when will these people's greed make them stand up to their own party, or do we have to hit rock bottom like some alcoholic before we save our democracy.

      Or is it that a real representative democracy is not their real devotion, just their wealth? I wonder how much wealth will help if we fall into another Great Depression?

      Happy Thoughts;

      Dan Grady

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    • Author by RobertSeattle (November 14, 2007 1:20 pm ET)
         

      Hillary isn't my #1 chocie, but I almost want her to win anyway just to drive these Right Wing Freaks up the wall. 

      Hey Hannity, every heard of the question, "Got any evidence to back up the assertion?" Didn't think so.

       

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      • Author by MiddleLeft (November 14, 2007 2:03 pm ET)
           

        just to drive these Right Wing Freaks up the wall.

        Glen Beck has promised that blood will squirt from his eyes if Hillary is elected Prez.  But he says that about a lot of things. 

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        • Author by worrierking (November 14, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
             

          I wasn't going to support Clinton, only if she ran against a Republican in the general election, but since I heard this about the Beav's eyes bleeding, I may have to vote for her.

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    • Author by Pithaughn (November 14, 2007 1:30 pm ET)
         

      All right, I'm going to let you all in on the FOX secret. Here's how the programming works behind the scenes at FOX. There are two big wheel of fortune type devices. One has sections labeled with all the Dem bashing, Hillary smearing , Rove talking points; this one is labeled "Topics". The second has sections with all the various "strategists", commentators, think tank fellows etc labeled "Talking Heads". You probably have it figured out by now, but I will explain for the less astute. First the topics wheel is spun, a topic comes to rest under the red arrow and the assignment producer writes it down in the left hand column. Then the "Talking Head" wheel is spun, whichever name comes to rest under the red arrow is noted. The producer then calls that person, tells them what lie they need to brush up on, and schedules them for an appearance on FOX. All Rupert and Ailes have to do is come in once a week or so and edit the two wheels. You have to admit, it's a stroke of genius.  

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    • Author by IRONY 101 (November 14, 2007 1:51 pm ET)
         

      ***ANNOUNCEMENT***

      I hereby propose that FOX News should now be known as "The Hillary Channel".

      "All Hillary...all the time!"

      "We trash her...you decide."

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      • Author by anotheramerican (November 14, 2007 3:02 pm ET)
           

        Funny! They'll never run out of material. :-)

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        • Author by therick (November 14, 2007 3:27 pm ET)
             

          True.  But then again, how could they run out of material when all they do is make horshit up anyway?

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    • Author by worrierking (November 14, 2007 2:07 pm ET)
         

      I think that Fox should just list what the Clintons are NOT responsible for.

      So far, the only thing they haven't been blamed for is the extinction of the dinosaurs.

       

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (November 14, 2007 2:14 pm ET)
           

        I could be wrong but I don't think I've ever heard Bill and Hillary accused of assassinating JFK.

        However, there is that photo of a young Bill Clinton with JFK and I'm sure the look of jealousy on young Bill's face must be evident to most right wing lunatics. Note that Bill's jealousy could have derived from a childhood crush on Marilyn Monroe. Makes perfect sense that he would have killed JFK, right?  ;>)

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        • Author by mary59 (November 14, 2007 3:06 pm ET)
             

          I don't know, irony...that sounds pretty out there...but I've heard from a reliable source that Bill is responsible for "fat" Elvis.

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    • Author by MiddleLeft (November 14, 2007 2:17 pm ET)
         

      HANNITY: And now she's staging questions.

      This thread is about Bozell but there is much that deserves comment. I don't believe anybody seriously claims what Hannity just said.   Every report indicates it was a campaign staffer who pushed for the question and that HRC didn't know about it.  That line above illustrates how easy it is to lie.  It's clever of Hannity to poke one in here among the bigger lies by Bozell.

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      • Author by anotheramerican (November 14, 2007 3:16 pm ET)
           

        Middle,

        I heard a recording of the young lady's interview. She says she wasn't the only one selected to ask a staged question. She also said that she was one of 200 in the audience. It strains credulity that staffers would select one person out of 200 on the off chance that Hillary might unknowingly pick that person.  

        If you listen to the actual question and answer where this girl.. oops.. young lady was selected, you can see Hillary has a crafted response saying she is asked by young people all over Iowa that same question.  

        What is so damning is the denial by Hillary's camp. Not only do they engage in these shenanigans but it looks like they lie about it too.  

        This all gives credence to Bozell's charge that Hillary knew about the missing files. 

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        • Author by therick (November 14, 2007 3:41 pm ET)
             

          You're joking, right?  I know two wrongs don't make a right, but right wingers must have brass balls to call out Hillary on this planted question.  Does the name Jeff Gannon mean anything to you?

          Bush's people screened everyone who participated in all of his campaign rally's, to assure that he wouldn't get a question he didn't understand, and to give a warm and fuzzy appearence.  I guess that's okay, unless Democrats do it.

          Such (much anticipated) hypocracy.  Republican business as usual.

           

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          • Author by therick (November 14, 2007 4:05 pm ET)
               

            And, by the way.  Among the Democrats who are running, I'd prefer Obama over Hillary.

             

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          • Author by anotheramerican (November 14, 2007 5:36 pm ET)
               

            Rick,

            You make a good point except I am not defending Bush's team for planting Gannon in the press room. It's basically the same thing.

            I think the interesting part is the denial by the Hillary campaign. It is worse than the offense in my book.

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            • Author by solon (November 14, 2007 5:39 pm ET)
                 

              If they have been caught and are denying it that is dishonest and I agree worse than planting a question.

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    • Author by arebeeo (November 14, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
         

      All of these hosts of Republican talk shows like Hannity and Limbaugh cannot go three seconds without uttering the name "Clinton".  If they "are drooling" over the chance  she will be the candidate why are they bashing and lying about her now.  It is likely this adolescent whining is nothing but their fear having anyone run against her.  And anyway she just may not be the candidate.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (November 14, 2007 2:34 pm ET)
           

        It's all about keeping the Republican based riled up enough to vote.

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      • Author by anotheramerican (November 14, 2007 3:23 pm ET)
           

        Arebeeo,

        My guess is Hillary has peaked and her campaign will continue to spiral out of control.  

        I think some of you make a good point that Hillary's negatives will mobilize the Republicans much more than any other candidate.

        I think if Obama gins up the courage and really starts attacking Hillary as being an old style politician and unable to win in November, he'll win the nomination in a landslide.

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        • Author by jawill11 (November 14, 2007 8:37 pm ET)
             

          AA, I agree with you, but I think that Edwards is also in the same position as Obama right now.  I don't think many actual people are all that jazzed about Hillary.  She has plenty of corporate money and old-school bush-dog Dem support, but the everyday person, I think, likes some of the other dem candidates much better.  

          I am very much looking forward to the primaries because, in the end, it is actual people who vote, not the special interest groups, or Rhom Emanuel, or the MSM pundits.  We can never forget that, on either side of the isle.  We have the ultimate control, no matter how much some politicians would like us to forget that.  

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    • Author by proudconservative (November 14, 2007 3:36 pm ET)
         

      The FBI file flap was the critical issue for the Clinton's to coverup.  It also garnered the least amount of attention.  In a scandal plagued administration, from Whitewater, to Travelgate; Johnny Chung's role in Democrat party money laundering and transfering missle technology to the Communist Chinese; and misuse of the White House for fundraising, remember the expensive 'coffee's' and sleepovers in the Lincoln Bedroom?  With all that who could expect that a silly little matter that included up to 900 individual FBI files to garner attention.  Plus the key witness 'pleaded the 5th'.  Here is the take by Salon, a capitalistic, conservative monstrosity according to Media Matters (very Little).

      http://www.salon.com/news/news960627.html

      http://www.cnn.com/US/9606/23/fbi.files/

      http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/news/9607/18/fbi.files/index.shtml

      Paints a lovely picture of the dear Mr. and Mrs Clinton.

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      • Author by therick (November 14, 2007 4:02 pm ET)
           

        You listed many "scandals" which were investigated, and not one of which produced any evidence against the Clinton's.  We've gone over this again and again--you've got as much as Ken Starr--NOTHING!  Why?  Because the right was manufacturing these "scandals."

        I think I understand why you guys hate them.  Bill ran this country with competence.  We had the best economy in the history of this and any government with full employment.  Education was up, crime was down.  The stock market was good.  Prices were stable.

        How could anyone blame incompetent Republican's for hating the Clinton's?

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        • Author by proudconservative (November 14, 2007 4:11 pm ET)
             

          Theodorick of York,

          The scandals were not created by the Republicans, the conduct of the Clinton's was at question.  And they did alot of questionable things that warranted investigation, like getting the FBI files.  ( Yes, we had our hand in the cookie jar, but we never thought about actually stealing a cookie...trust us!)

          The economy was good under Clinton, thanks to the tax cuts placed by the republican congress and the burst of computer technology that increased productivity dramatically.  We have a strong economy still, thanks to the Bush tax rate cuts which keep the economy going and filling the government's coffers.  Now, if we could stop the excess spending that has occurred, especially with the republican controlled congress, we will keep chugging along.

           

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          • Author by proudconservative (November 14, 2007 4:12 pm ET)
               

            Theodork,

            did you read any of the linked articles above?

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            • Author by solon (November 14, 2007 4:27 pm ET)
                 

              ProudMoron, did you notice all of those things were INVESTIGATED and there was NO WRONGDOING FOUND? This may be tough to understand since you are dumb as a post but tens of millions of dollars were spent investigating these things and there was no wrongdoing found. If Congress spent half as much money investigating Bush he would be in an orange jumpsuit within a week.

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            • Author by foghornleghorn (November 14, 2007 7:30 pm ET)
                 

              "We have a strong economy still, thanks to the Bush tax rate cuts which keep the economy going and filling the government's coffers" - PC

              Oh my gosh.  You can't really believe that.  The only people benefitting from this economy is the super-rich, corporations, and military contractors.

              If you're not one of the above, then what you posted is a LIE.

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              • Author by proudconservative (November 14, 2007 8:58 pm ET)
                   

                Roostercartoon,

                Low inflation despite higher fuel prices, low unemployment ("boy, I say boy...HISTORICAL low unemployment, that is!"), and increased revenues to the government because of lower tax rates...

                Yeah, I'm one of those CEO's from a military contracting company that is super rich, fer sure!

                It must be distressing to have to see any good news as undermining the hopes and aspirations of the democrat party. Oh, the humanity!

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                • Author by solon (November 14, 2007 10:22 pm ET)
                     

                  ProudMoron the median wage is still stagnant. Bush has corporate profits soaring but the cost of living is outpacing wage increases.

                  http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/income/2006-02-23-fed-incomes_x.htm

                  From 2001 to 2004, average family income fell 2.3%, to an inflation-adjusted $70,700 from $72,400 in the 1998-2001 period. By contrast, from 1998 to 2001, average income jumped 17.3%. Median income — the midpoint of the income range — rose 1.6% to $43,200.

                  Fed economists said the figures were "strongly influenced" by a more-than-6% drop in median real wages during the period. Also, investment income was less than in the stock market boom years of the late 1990s

                  The economy is great if you own an oil company for those who work for a living not so good.

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 14, 2007 4:13 pm ET)
             

          That's how I've always seen the GOPers hatred of the Clintons. Bush failing at everything he tries while whining that it's "hard work", Clinton doing a lot of things successfully while making it look easy and getting hummers right at work.

          The curse of the overachiever. Locks up the Incompetent-American vote for the Repubs, though.

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          • Author by proudconservative (November 14, 2007 9:34 pm ET)
               

            Huntingforarationalthought!

            It's not about hatred at all.  I love having to hear the democrat party defending a candidate that essentially was an enabling wife, humiliated by her husband.  I love the fact that the left pushes its candidates to be the liberals they hope to see but then have to watch them run to the center like Michael Moore to a buffet, so that they have a hope of winning an election.  I love seeing how the democrat party and the socialists therein tell us we need more taxes.  I love watching how the left alienates itself from America by saying they support the military and yet see its leaders attack the decency, professionalism, and dedication of troops whenever they see a chance to pile on.  And Huntingforarationalthought, I love that this site is here for more to see and compare what distinguishes the left from conservatism.

            So it's not about hate, it's about the love.  Can you feel the love?

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            • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 15, 2007 2:07 am ET)
                 

              Huntingforarationalthought!

              Not in your neck of the woods

              It's not about hatred at all.  I love having to hear the democrat party defending a candidate that essentially was an enabling wife, humiliated by her husband. 

              If your first love is other people's personal lives, that's your business. I've got my own.

               I love the fact that the left pushes its candidates to be the liberals they hope to see but then have to watch them run to the center like Michael Moore to a buffet, so that they have a hope of winning an election.

              You and your type make up a large part of this country. Conceded, the left needs the top part of the average/stoopid vote( the smartest guys on your bowling team). The right relies on the bottom of the barrel (you and your family).

                I love seeing how the democrat party and the socialists therein tell us we need more taxes. 

              Actually, you're loving right wing talking points. It's a combination of sensible spending and complementary taxes that give us the economic victories that we experiences under more liberal administrations.The middle class that the right wing elites want eradicated is pretty important to this equation as well.

               I love watching how the left alienates itself from America by saying they support the military and yet see its leaders attack the decency, professionalism, and dedication of troops whenever they see a chance to pile on.

              I can't even respond to this ridiculous fantasy without the attempt at providing an example.I know Rush Limbaugh likes to smear troops who don't obey the Bush administration, the Republicans like to send our troops into wars for profit and cut benefits, as well as insulting the service of those former troops who are on the other side politically.

              I also know that many Republicans enthusiastically avoid military service while encouraging others to go and die for their safety and financial benefit. Do you have any actual, non-fiction stuff to back up your remarks?

               

                And Huntingforarationalthought, I love that this site is here for more to see and compare what distinguishes the left from conservatism.

              Finally, something we agree on.You really expose yourself as a brainwashed douchebag, although I have some conservative friends, and would never judge them by your example.

              So it's not about hate, it's about the love.  Can you feel the love?

              I'd rather not feel your love, thank you.I'd be as likely to go hunting for love with you as I would a rational thought.But thanks for being a volunteer piñata!

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    • Author by copiousdissent.blogspot.com (November 14, 2007 4:06 pm ET)
         

      I'm still waiting for MMFA to disclose the fact that Hillary Clinton helped start their organization.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 14, 2007 4:20 pm ET)
           

        What a strange thing to wait for.Do you spend a lot of time hanging around websites waiting for your ideas to be posted?

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      • Author by solon (November 14, 2007 4:28 pm ET)
           

        I am still waiting for you to make a post with a cogent argument. Looks like Godot's appearance will beat both of us.

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      • Author by therick (November 14, 2007 11:40 pm ET)
           

        I'm still waiting for Bush to grab a brain.  I guess we'll both wait a long time.

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    • Author by pbg (November 14, 2007 6:51 pm ET)
         

      The American public are suffering under a nightmarish health-care system--and the Republicans are shouting out how great it is. The american public is suffering under sky-high gas prices--and the Republicans don't even pretend to care. The American Public want us out of Iraq--and the Republicsns are saying that anybody who feels that way is a traitor.

      The American public wants things done. One party is at least promising to do those things, while the other party is proudly shouting that they won't.

      It doesn't even matter who the Democratic candidate is: an Al Sharpton Rosie O'Donnel ticket would beat a Republican who vows to extend the war, keep our health care system, do absolutely nothing about gas prices and 'solve the Social Security Crisis."

      In a walk.

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      • Author by therick (November 14, 2007 9:21 pm ET)
           

        Al and Rosie?  I'd vote for them over any Republican.

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        • Author by proudconservative (November 14, 2007 10:28 pm ET)
             

          Theodork of York,

          And that is exactly the sentiment that I hope American sees in the left and what stands for the democrat party of today.

          Whoo-augh!

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    • Author by bfitzpatrick7274 (November 14, 2007 9:07 pm ET)
         

      Classic dezinformatsia article by Media Matters:  seize on one disputable point in order to discredit the whole.  Bozell's main argument, which MM doesn't dare attempt to refute, is that the media have doted on Hillary ever since 1992.  Anyone with the guts to read Bozell's book, or even his promotional columns about it, will see that press treatment of Hillary has been downright embarrassing.  If you can't stomach Bozell, then read Joe Klein's book, Primary Colors, a novel based on Clinton's 1992 campaign, which Klein covered for a major newsweekly.  Klein's book is full of hideously embarrassing anecdotes that, had they been reported by the media in '92, would have guaranteed Clinton's defeat.  Why didn't Klein report on them at the time?  Surely not because he wanted Clinton to win; that would be liberal media bias.

      Regarding the disputed point, if Bozell was in fact wrong, Hillary will no doubt sue him for slander.   That'll never happen, though, because Hillary knows that truth is an absolute protection against slander charges.  Also, Hillary's presidential campaign might not survive the revelations that could come from the discovery process.

       

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (November 15, 2007 11:52 am ET)
           

        bfitzpatrick, your post is pretty confusing. You're saying that Bozo's main point is that the media dotes on Hillary.That's an opinion, not really a disputable fact, no matter how wrong it might be.

        And you also seem to want to ignore Bozo's real main point, an accusation that he's pulled out of his hole, and that has not been backed up by anybody.

        The idea that the lack of a slander suit proves anything has been tried here before, and it's pretty worthless.

        Do you realize how many low-level hacks like Bozo spend several hours a day on radio and TV and in print, all across this country, spewing BS? Do you realize how difficult it would be to prove that Bozo had done any real harm by stating things that most know are nonsense? Aside from you and a few others who got a free copy of Bozo's pamphlet (sorry, can't use the word "book"), nobody believes him.

        And, please, don'se an Irish name if you're going to post suckass stuff like this. It's embarrassing.

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    • Author by FNC Liberal (November 15, 2007 6:52 am ET)
         

      Don't buy Bozell the Clown's book. Take your hard-earned money and donate it to a worthy charitable organization: Your school, church, organization, presidentiall candidate, etc.

      HANNITY: "By the way, I love the book. You should read the part where he interviewed me." Bozell the Clown should have interviewed you about better parenting skills.

      Bozell the Clown is a complete moron who is bought and paid for by the GOP.

       

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    • Author by citylife9 (November 16, 2007 12:24 am ET)
         

      THERE GETTING HER IN SHAPE TO BE PRESIDENT LIKE SPRING TRAINING FOR THE MLB TEAMS.SHE CAN HANDLE IT

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