Reliable Sources guest dismissed criticism of Russert debate questions, but Kurtz still hasn't noted questions based on false information
SUMMARY: On CNN's Reliable Sources, while discussing the November 15 Democratic presidential debate, Howard Kurtz did not challenge university professor Steve Roberts' dismissal of criticism of Tim Russert's questions to Sen. Hillary Clinton at the October 30 debate, even though at least two of the questions Russert posed included falsehoods.
During the November 18 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources, while discussing the November 15 Democratic presidential debate, George Washington University professor of media and public affairs Steve Roberts said, "[W]hat I don't like is the notion, this is more in the previous debate than in this one, where the Clintonian reaction is, 'The media is out to get us' ... accusing [NBC News Washington bureau chief Tim] Russert of asking a 'gotcha' question. ... I mean, please. I mean, she ain't seen nothin' yet if she thinks ... the media's tough on her now." Host and Washington Post media critic Howard Kurtz did not challenge Roberts' dismissal of the criticism surrounding Russert's questions to Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (NY) at the October 30 debate, even though at least two of the questions Russert posed to Clinton included falsehoods. Kurtz has previously failed to note that Russert's questions contained falsehoods.
As Media Matters for America documented, during the October 30 debate, Russert falsely claimed that a 2002 letter written by former President Bill Clinton to the National Archives "specifically ask[ed] that any communication between [then-first lady Hillary Clinton] and the president not be made available to the public until 2012" before asking Sen. Clinton, "Would you lift that ban?" In fact, President Clinton's letter did not impose a "ban" on the release of such communications or ask that they "not be made available," but rather listed them as documents to be "considered for withholding" [emphasis added]. In a November 2 statement, William J. Clinton Records representative Bruce Lindsey said that rather than prohibiting the release of communications between Bill and Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton had merely designated such communications as part of a "subset" of presidential records "that should be reviewed prior to release."
Further, as Media Matters also documented, during the October 30 debate, Russert misrepresented prior exchanges Sen. Clinton had with moderator Judy Woodruff at a September 20 forum in Iowa and with Russert himself at a September 26 debate in New Hampshire. He also accused Clinton of having "one public position and one private position" on the issue of raising the cap on income on which Social Security taxes must be paid.
As Media Matters has noted, in his November 12 Washington Post column, Kurtz wrote: "Tim Russert is accustomed to putting politicians on the spot. But after he repeatedly pressed Hillary Clinton during a presidential debate two weeks ago, the NBC Washington bureau chief was ripped by liberal bloggers who called him everything from a bully to a sexist. Clinton responded during the debate by accusing him of playing 'gotcha,' and her husband slammed Russert as well." The week before, Kurtz had similarly written that "liberal bloggers" were "sniping at Tim Russert over his debate questions to Hillary" and said on the November 4 edition of Reliable Sources: "Let's talk about the questioning. I mean, Tim Russert is really getting hit by some of these liberal bloggers. The statistic came out 14 out of the 26 questions that he posed to any candidate went to Hillary Clinton. Is that a bit unbalanced?" In none of these instances did Kurtz note Russert's faulty questions.
From the November 18 edition of CNN's Reliable Sources:
KURTZ: All right, speaking of questions -- excuse me, Chris -- let's look at what was asked at the CNN debate by some of the network's anchors, and we'll talk about that on the other side.
[begin video clip]
CAMPBELL BROWN (CNN anchor): Your opponents are saying that that's really part of a larger pattern with you, that you often avoid taking firm positions on controversial issues.
[...]
BLITZER: You've suggested she's triangulating -- whatever that means -- on some of the key issues. She's running a textbook Washington campaign, you've suggested that.
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BROWN: Some have suggested that you, that your campaign, that your husband, are exploiting gender as a political issue during this campaign. What's really going on here?
CLINTON: Well, I'm not exploiting anything at all.
[end video clip]
KURTZ: Some have suggested that they're just trying to start a fight. What do you think?
CHRIS CILLIZZA (washingtonpost.com staff writer): I was going to criticize "some have suggested" and then when I was watching it, I thought, "Ooh! I've done that before myself." Look, I mean, I think what reporters are trying to do, and I think what Campbell Brown and what Wolf Blitzer and everybody else who hosts these -- moderates these debates is trying to do is trying to make the news -- you know, what's in the news -- get them to read and react to it very quickly.
You know, they went right at a few of the things. The first question was sort of about Hillary's position on driver's license and illegal immigration but not really. She was able to not really answer that. I mean, unfortunately, as much as people -- I'm going to defend the media for a minute here.
KURTZ: All right.
CILLIZZA: As much as people say, "We need to focus more on substance. We need" -- everything that I see people want to know -- when I see someone, they find out I'm a political reporter, they say, "Who's going to win?" They don't say, "Hey, whose position do you like best on Social Security?"
ROBERTS: I thought that Campbell Brown's questions on gender were right on. The fact is she is playing the gender card. Everybody knows it. She's running as a woman, she's trying to maximize the votes of women. It's the only way she can actually win is to maximize the votes of women. I think it's a smart strategy. I thought Campbell's questions were fine. And what I don't like is the notion, this is more in the previous debate than in this one, where the Clintonian reaction is, "The media is out to get us," you know, say -- accusing Russert of asking a "gotcha" question. This is --
KURTZ: You're talking about the substance of driver's license for illegal immigrants.
ROBERTS: I mean, please. I mean, she ain't seen nothin' yet if she thinks this is the media's tough on her now.
KAREN TUMULTY (Time national political correspondent) But the stupidest question of the night was the diamonds or pearls -- the very last question of the debate. It comes, allegedly, from the audience. A young woman in the audience gets up and asks Senator Clinton, after we've discussed whether she's playing the gender card, she gets this question, "What do you prefer: diamonds of pearls?"















This show is, in itself, a symptom of the absolute corruption and incestuous nature of our modern Press corps. It is, in essence, overpaid media bobbleheads contemplating their own navels. Instead of talking about issues and investigating the crimes and lies of the Bush administration, they talk about...each other.
CRAP!
ROBERTS: I mean, please. I mean, she ain't seen nothin' yet if she thinks this is the media's tough on her now.
Yeah, the media have never been tough on the Clintons .
Stevie probably has already seen the Rovian Repub Smear Plan, methinks.
He's probably right on that point. If Hillary gets the nomination, the Republican-paid liars will bury her under a Sh*tstorm that will make the Swiftboaters look like Girlscouts. If the Democrats aren't planning to counter it, they might as well concede the election now and save all that money.
Yeah & it should have brought up that Wolf treated her gently, the debate seemed stacked with pro-Hillary supporters, & that allowing the audience to cheer & boo was totally ridiculous. Especially since the Pro-Hillary audience roundly booed Edwards & Obama & were not told to knock it off by Wolf..
Russert & NBC did a far better job than CNN & Wolfie. Not perfect, but better.
And Russert did not ambush Hillary with any Gotcha questions...Hills just doesn't like to be challenged.
If lying as the foundation of two separate questions, with malice, is not an ambush, I guess I'm off to re-check the definition of "ambush".
Conley,
At the NBC debate Hillary was all over the place about ILLEGALS/Drivers Licenses. Then she issued a statement saying she was for them. Then the polls came out [and we know how polls dictate the Clintons opinions] & Hillary changed her mind [flip-flopped] & said she was against the idea. BTW, that was the correct answer!
But when Wolf asked her, she simply said NO this time & Wolf didn't press her on it. Didn't ask her why she changed her mind. Offered no follow up. Nothing.
So let's say that Wolfie cancels out Timmy & Hillary comes out even.
It's a sad state of affairs when treating all candidates fairly is seen as favoritism towards HRC.
Allowing the audience to cheer & boo was totally ridiculous? It wasn't really intended to be a night at the opera, was it?
Pete,
Most Debate commentators ask the crowd to HOLD their applause. I'm pretty certain that includes Boos, or shout outs as well.
They do this in order to keep the debate moving with as few interruptions as possible.
CNN didn't bother doing this. And the PRO-Hillary stacked audience took advantage of it.
As long as the moderator didn't ask some to hold their applause and not others I'd say the audience was treated fairly.
Surely you're not suggesting voters should think it's a negative that HRC had a bigger audience turnout at a debate than the other candidates?
If it was a man who did that you'd be applauding him.
Oh please don't even try to make this a gender issue with me.
Each candidate was supposed to get an equal number of seats. Hillary's DEMOCRATIC opponents have suggested she got more, therefore stacking the deck.
Considering Hillary is the favorite at this point your accusation that the crowd was stacked with Pro-Hillary supporters is more than a little misleading. Most of the audience members were probably Democrats and since she is leading in the polls she probably had the most support. You seem to think this was some conspiracy which is absurd. BTW, thanks for voting for Bush twice. Good Job, Jeter.
Lowball,
Each candidate was allegedly given an equal number of seats.
The accusation that Hillary's camp stacked the audience with her supporters came from her DEMOCRATIC opponents who believe that some of the seats that were supposed to go to Independent/noncommittal voters actually went to Hillary supporters.
Thereby stacking the deck.
Yeah I do regret my votes for Bush, but in reality they were MEANINGLESS. You see I live in Massachusetts, the electoral votes from my state went to Gore & Kerry, so my one vote didn't put him in office.
But thank you for your post, I look forward to reading more of your ignorant thoughts in the future...
Good job, Lowball.
"Yeah & it should have brought up that Wolf treated her gently, the debate seemed stacked with pro-Hillary supporters, & that allowing the audience to cheer & boo was totally ridiculous. Especially since the Pro-Hillary audience roundly booed Edwards & Obama & were not told to knock it off by Wolf.." J2
Looks like the left found their own Karl Rove. His name is Mark Penn.
Wolf did treat her gently. Her monosyllabic answer on the driver's license for immigrants question didn't meerit a follow-up after all the media noise about her equivocation? Yeah right.
It was a stacked audience. Those undecideds with their planted 'diamonds or pearl' questions and the boo birds were Clinton operatives. They were planted by Rahm Emmanuel's DNC Navada Democrats. Hillary's is the money wing of the Democratic Party. I hope to God she loses the nomination.
Roundhouse,
I agree with much of what you say. That "diamonds or pearlt" comment only fed into perceptions into stereotypes regarding women. Nothing like setting the cause back to the 50's.
It must have been planted by the same people who asked Bill if he wore boxers or briefs.
Sad.
I didn't make any associations with equal rights over it but I do think it does nothing to move us out of the post-Rovian era of scorched earth politics.
Hillary doesn't need to do this crap, none of the Dems need to. The liberal message of people first, economic justice, restoration of our standing in the world and expanded civil rights kicks the more war, more occupation, tax reductionist Republicans Party to the curb every time. It is sad indeed.
Justice and Truth in the USA - Fact Check:
I find it interesting that the Hillary campaign and MMFA both seem to think that ANY criticism or tough question tossed at HRC is an attack or "mud slinging."During the CNN debate (whose live audience was definately stacked in favor of HRC) when John Edwards made some reasonable and fair challenges to Hillary's record in the Senate she whined and whined about "mud slinging" - Now we know from Novak that HRC is doing its level best to dig up all the dirt they can on Obama.
Can anyone in the Democrat Party be trusted to 'lead' this greatest nation on GOD'S GREEN EARTH?
when John Edwards made some reasonable and fair challenges to Hillary's record in the Senate she whined and whined about "mud slinging"
Exactly J&T. Apparently this is Hill's camp's strategy. If anyone challenges her...she yells Mudslinging! Ambush! Gotcha questions!
When you're right you're right.
Thanks Roundhouse ;-)
If I remember correctly you're an Edwards supporter? While I have no horse in this race, I don't blame those Dems that are backing other candidates for being frustrated.
I believe Hillary's camp is counting on the media to be intimidated by Hillary's complaints of Mudslinging! Ambush! Gotcha questions! and will back off from challenging her for fear that they will be accused of "piling on"
What a shame. I'm not a Edwards fan, but I'd rather see him or Obama get the nomination. Actually I'd really be pleased with Biden or Dodd. This country does not need 4-8 years more of any Clinton. Bill was a good Prez, but we can't go backwards. Times have changed. Hillary Clinton will just be a lighter version of Bush.
This isn't god's earth... it's ours- we made it. Gary Renand says so...
"Can anyone in the Democrat Party be trusted to 'lead' this greatest nation on GOD'S GREEN EARTH?"
Of course not. No one in either party can be "trusted to lead" this country. They have to be carefully watched and held accountable. The founders knew this, and devised a brilliant system of checks and balances which worked rather well for over two centuries. The Cheneybush junta has managed to trash that (along with our military, our currency, our moral credibility and our strategic posture), with the acquiescence of a supine Congress, Judiciary and public.
"Can anyone in the Democrat Party be trusted to 'lead' this greatest nation on GOD'S GREEN EARTH?"
Well, if they can't, we're screwed. The Republicans have already proven their total inability to lead us.
We know from Novack? Yeah, that's a reliable source. Nope, no tainted info there. </sarcasm>
Hmm...
After careful thought based on nothing, I'll have to call this one FOR Hillary and AGAINST justicetruthus8276.
That settles that.
(was justicetruthus8275 taken?)
Now we know from Novak that HRC is doing its level best to dig up all the dirt they can on Obama.
ACTUAL FACT CHECK!
Novak disclosed that his source for the story was not anyone close to Clinton but rather, someone who was "told by an agent of the Clinton campaign" about the alleged dirt. Got that? So Novak was not privy to the dirt itself, nor did he talk to Clinton's people. Rather, he heard it from someone who had heard it from someone else. Another secondary source, Novak went on to say, claimed to have heard the same thing.
Fact-checking = completed.
Since you are so stupid you dont even KNOW the name of the largest political party in the US your just worthless. Let the adults talk. The ones who arent too ignorant to know something about what they are talking about.
Justice and Truth in the USA said:
"Justice and Truth in the USA - Fact Check:"
You might want to consider a less boastful moniker there, T&J. Quoth Kansas: "If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know."
T&J: "I find it interesting that the Hillary campaign and MMFA both seem to think that ANY criticism or tough question tossed at HRC is an attack or "mud slinging."During the CNN debate (whose live audience was definately stacked in favor of HRC) when John Edwards made some reasonable and fair challenges to Hillary's record in the Senate she whined and whined about "mud slinging" - Now we know from Novak that HRC is doing its level best to dig up all the dirt they can on Obama.
Can anyone in the Democrat Party be trusted to 'lead' this greatest nation on GOD'S GREEN EARTH?"
Shorter T&J: Since the most Republican-like Dem candidate is engaging in Republican-like dirty tricks and being aided by the guy who helped the GOP expose a covert op, therefore only Republicans can be trusted to lead.
This thread is laughable. Obvious MMFA is still trying fighting the last debate. The conversation in this discussion revolved around Hillary playing the 'gender' card, not Russert's phrasing of two questions.
If one reads the quote by Kurtz for November 4th, he is making the case Russert was preoccupied with Hillary. Why does he have to comment on Russert again a week later just because Roberts referenced Hillary and Bill's initial reaction? Obviously, only because MMFA wanted to bring it up again. :-)
Well then, MMFA must be a source to be reckoned with now, cause we are capable of making CNN bring it up with just our mind powers. Kinda like Karnack, without the envelope. Fear us, puny humans!
Snoop,
No argument there. I've heard Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Reilley all refer to it.
I do enjoy seeing what they come up with every day. Infotainment at it's best. :-)
I dont know what you mean by infotainment. If you actually think you are getting REAL information from Limbaugh OR Hannity then I have a bridge to sell you, its in very good condition.