NPR aired without challenging GOP misrepresentation of CA electoral college initiative's effect

SUMMARY: Reporting on a Republican-backed California ballot initiative that would award
the state's electoral votes by congressional district, NPR correspondent Ina
Jaffe aired an audio clip of Republican consultant Dave Gilliard, who asserted:
"We want [presidential candidates] to come out here and actually campaign
throughout California. We want them to go to the Central Valley, and Inland
Empire, and the North Coast, and talk to Californians about what's important
to California." In fact, California has only
three congressional districts that Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) or President Bush
carried by 5 percentage points or less during the 2004 election, and thus, if
the initiative passed, campaigns would presumably have little incentive "to come
out here and actually campaign." Further, Jaffe's report did not note one of the
major arguments made in opposition to the California initiative -- that it reapportions the
electoral votes of only California, rather than applying a nationwide
standard for the distribution of electoral votes.
On the November 26 edition of National Public Radio's (NPR) Morning Edition, reporting on a controversial Republican-backed California ballot initiative that would award the state's electoral votes by congressional district, correspondent Ina Jaffe stated: "In the past four presidential elections, California has become reliably Democratic, so presidential candidates usually come here just to raise money and that's about it." Jaffe then aired an audio clip of Republican consultant Dave Gilliard, who is managing the campaign to get the proposal on the ballot, asserting: "We want them to come out here and actually campaign throughout California. We want them to go to the Central Valley, and Inland Empire, and the North Coast, and talk to Californians about what's important to California." In fact, as Media Matters for America has documented, California has only three congressional districts that Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) or President Bush carried by 5 percentage points or less during the 2004 presidential election, and thus, if the initiative passed, campaigns would presumably have little incentive "to come out here and actually campaign," as Gilliard claimed. Further, Jaffe's report did not note one of the major arguments made in opposition to the California initiative -- that it reapportions the electoral votes of only California, rather than applying a nationwide standard for the distribution of electoral votes.
According to a Media Matters analysis of data from the Almanac of American Politics, published by the nonpartisan National Journal Group, only three California congressional districts were carried by 5 percentage points or less in 2004, providing presidential candidates little reason to campaign throughout the state if electors were chosen by district rather than statewide. Contrary to the claim made by Gilliard, it would thus make little sense for a presidential candidate "to come out here" to a state offering as few potentially competitive electoral votes as Wyoming or Delaware, instead of campaigning in "swing" states such as Ohio (20 electoral votes) or Florida (27 electoral votes).
Indeed, as San Francisco Chronicle editorial page editor John Diaz wrote in a September 9 column:
So clear is the partisan bent of these districts -- by design, with the assistance of sophisticated computer modeling -- that it's hard to imagine that more than a few would truly be up for grabs in any presidential election.
In reality, if California were to apportion electors by congressional district, its current prize of 55 electoral votes suddenly would be diminished to a competition for perhaps five electors (equivalent to Idaho or West Virginia) at the most.
Further, as Media Matters has previously noted, under the GOP plan, California voters would actually have less influence on the outcome of national elections, not more, as Gilliard suggested. Under the state's current winner-take-all system, California awards 55 electoral votes to its winner, far more than any other state. Under the GOP plan, it would be essentially impossible for the winner of California to gain 55 electoral votes. Indeed, if this plan had been in effect in 2004, California would have awarded Kerry 33 electoral votes and Bush 22 votes. Rather than providing a margin of 55 electoral votes to its winner, California would have provided an 11-vote margin -- reducing California's clout to that of Indiana.
Jaffe's report also did not mention another key point made in opposition to the initiative. As Alexander Keyssar, a professor of history and social policy at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, noted in an October 28 Los Angeles Times op-ed, Republicans have not sought a nationwide reform of the electoral college system, but rather have "introduce[d] such plans piecemeal in states where they would benefit":
If the Republicans truly believe that it would be fairer and more democratic to choose electors by district, then instead of introducing such plans piecemeal in states where they would benefit, they should introduce a constitutional amendment to create a national district system -- one that would apply to Texas and South Carolina as well as California. And if the Democrats truly want to prevent procedural "power grabs," they should sign on to such a proposal -- or offer a "proportional plan" or (better yet) actively back a national popular election that would eliminate the electoral college altogether.
If both parties worked together on such legislation, jointly committing themselves to remedy a design flaw in our Constitution, they might even succeed in dissipating a bit of the cynicism that the electorate so frequently expresses about political parties that seem far more interested in their own welfare than the fate of the nation.
Indeed, California Democrats have proposed two ballot initiatives (here and here) that would enter the state into a "voting compact" with other states requiring members to award their electoral votes to the winner of the nationwide popular vote if "states cumulatively possessing a majority of electoral votes have enacted this agreement in substantially the same form."
From the November 26 edition of NPR's Morning Edition:
STEVE INSKEEP (host): Now, the presidential campaign could be transformed by a proposal in California. Depending on where you sit, this is an effort for reform or an attempt to steal an election. California is the election's biggest prize. The statewide winner gets all 55 electoral votes, which is a substantial percentage of what you need to win the White House. In recent years, the votes have gone steadily to Democrats. But, a proposed ballot initiative would divide the votes by congressional districts. Instead of winner-take-all, the state-wide loser would take some. NPR's Ina Jaffe reports.
JAFFE: A few weeks ago, we reported that this initiative campaign was dead. It had raised no money to pay for gathering signatures. Ultimately, the initiative's organizers walked away. But the initiative itself was still on the books, and an entirely new crew of supporters took it up.
CHRIS LEHANE (Democratic consultant): We said we thought that this would be the Freddy Kreuger of initiatives and come back to life. Indeed, at some level, it has --
JAFFE:-- says Democratic consultant Chris Lehane, who's spearheading the effort to defeat the measure. But the prize offered by the electoral college initiative was just too tantalizing, he says, for Republicans to let it fade away.
LEHANE: It would effectively give the Republicans between 20 and 22 electoral college votes, essentially handing them a state the size of Ohio, which would make it virtually impossible, or at least extremely difficult, for a Democrat to be able to win in 2008, even if that Democrat wins the majority vote.
JAFFE: But the initiative has nothing to do with partisan advantage, says Dave Gilliard, the new campaign manager. Theoretically, Democrats could benefit, too.
GILLIARD: For instance, in 1988, Michael Dukakis won 48 percent of the vote in California, so it doesn't make any sense for either party to be for a winner-take-all system.
JAFFE: But in California politics, 1988 is a long time ago. In the past four presidential elections, California has become reliably Democratic, so presidential candidates usually come here just to raise money and that's about it. Gilliard says this initiative could change that.
GILLIARD: We want them to come out here and actually campaign all throughout California. We want them to go to the Central Valley and Inland Empire, and the North Coast and talk to Californians about what's important to California.
JAFFE: Unlike the first campaign for the initiative, this one's not broke. A large share of the credit for that goes to one of the Republican operatives who revived the measure. She's Anne Dunsmore, who was Rudy Giuliani's chief fundraiser till she left the campaign in September.
Other movers and shakers backing the measure have also been tied to Giuliani, or to the co-chair of his campaign in California. Opponent Chris Lehane thinks Giuliani's trying to give himself an advantage in the state if he becomes the Republican nominee. All these connections, he says, can't just be a coincidence.
LEHANE: I'm originally from the state of Maine, and we used to have a saying that when you go to bed at night and there's no snow on the ground, and you wake up and there's snow on the ground, you can pretty safely conclude it snowed.
JAFFE: So opponents of the measure have filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission. Asked for comment, the Giuliani campaign's deputy communications director, Maria Comella sent a written statement. It says, quote, "The campaign had no knowledge and no involvement in this effort, and we'd be fine leaving it as it is. California is a state that Mayor Giuliani puts into play in the general election regardless of what rules are in place."
TONY QUINN (political analyst): You know, I think the Democrats have overreacted.
JAFFE: --says California political analyst Tony Quinn.
QUINN: The likelihood of this ever passing is quite slim. I suspect that it is more a matter that the Republicans would like to put it on the ballot, drive the Democrats crazy and make them spend $20 million defeating it.
JAFFE: Support for the measure is low. Various polls put it anywhere from the mid-20's to the mid-40's. Nevertheless, Democrats are throwing every obstacle available in the initiative's path. The latest is a request for the Los Angeles city attorney to investigate a news story that the initiative campaign was trading food in exchange for signatures among the homeless of Skid Row.
GILLIARD: I'm not aware of that, no.
JAFFE: Says campaign manager Dave Gilliard.
GILLIARD: The fact is, most homeless people aren't registered to vote, so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to go try to get them to sign these, when you can go out to a area that has a high percentage of registered voters, a suburban area, for instance.
JAFFE: But even there, the campaign faced another obstacle. Many of those suburban areas were out of bounds for a couple of weeks because of the Southern California wildfires. Still, Gilliard insists, they'll have more than 434,000 signatures needed to qualify by December 1. Ina Jaffe, NPR News.















LEHANE: It would effectively give the Republicans between 20 and 22 electoral college votes, essentially handing them a state the size of Ohio...
Cheese & rice, first they steal the real Ohio, now they want to create another Ohio on top of it.
I'll say it again, as soon as Texas does it, I'll take them seriously.
you won't see Teaxs doing that. remember Tom Delay's " restructuring " ???? them texas boys stick together.
sorry man, fat fingers should say "Texas "
Right, Wolf, that's my point. For them to single out my fair state, while ignoring all of the others where it could have an effect, is not even good honest crime, the type that takes a little effort.
This initiative can only be supported by the morally bankrupt who can ignore dirty tricks to see their own personal interests satisfied, and those who are stoopid enough not to see the obvious selective manipulation of our elections at the heart of it.
Speaking of crimes, check out how Alabama republicans handle elections. No shame with these guys...
Thanks, Snoopy, interesting. Sort of like the Karl Rove episode of Before the Bigs.
"Starting just a few weeks after he took office, Siegelman was targeted by an investigation launched by his political opponents"
Gee....where have we seen that movie before?
This is so laughably transparent. If they can siphon off a big enough chunk of California's electoral votes, the Republicans could potentially lock up the White House for the next generation. That's what this is all about...anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.
If they wanted real election reform, they would propose this for the whole country. Essentially, doing this in every state would eliminate the Electoral college. While the wisdom of such a move could be debated, let's at least be honest about what the Troglodytes are up to in California.
How would it eliminate the electoral college? You're further institutionalizing electors for each state determining the president-elect, especially if they matter individually instead of only as a group, like now.
Maybe it wouldn't formally eliminate the Electoral college, but would render it pretty much useless. If you can argue that awarding a whole state to one candidate is unfair, then logic dictates that awarding a whole congressional district to one candidate is equally unfair. Once it reaches that point, why not just count the popular vote, and make it a national election?
I agree, which is why I think the repubs are being disingenuous about the whole thing.
It would lessen the problem. In our current system, for instance, candidate A wins enough states with 51% but canidate B wins all the other states with 90%. An extreme example, but what should be a huge loss for candidate A becomes a win. If every state goes by the splitting plan, dividing up their electoral votes, the scenario I described would be a win for candidate B instead.
NERZOG,
That's what this is all about...anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.
A liar.... or just plain blind, deaf, and dumb?
I can't be too hard on NPR for this...at least they're talking about it. I watched some "news" over the holiday weekend. I got the impression that not much was going on except the arrest of suspects in the missing-white-girl-in-Aruba case...which is 2 years old. My heart goes out to the girl's family...but is it the most important national news story?
True, and some of there earlier reporting did call it out for what it was - a despicable electoral vote-grab. (Well THEY didn't, but they aired comentators who did.) But this whole is just disgusting. If (like someone else posted) the dem's tried to do this in Texas, the Paub's would be screaming bloody murder. Hopefully the Dem's in CA will realise what is going on on and KILL IT. If you don't like the curretn system - FINE, just apply the proposed fix EVERYWHERE, not just in ONE STATE where it gives you the greatest benfit! (And for the record, if the Dem's WERE the one's doing this - in say - TEXAS, I would be totally against it. It should remain winner take all, unless ALL states agree to change. Absolutely shameless.
Exactly. I live in Tennessee, which has gone Republican in the last several Presidential elections. However, we have a Democratic Governor. I'm guessing that at least 35% of our votes would go Democratic if we applied this system. Are the Republicans calling for it here, or in other Red states? Of course not.
Go Vols!!!!!!!!
If this passes in California-- it will, people are stupid-- the Democratic legislatures and governors in red states (there are a few) will immediately retaliate by apportioning their electors, too.
You think this whole thing is depressing? Watch what happens when the republican courts are asked to rule on the blatant UNCONSTITUTIONALITY of having voters decide electors. It's gonna make 2000 look like touch football. Think they're going to rule against a Republican victory? yeah, right... It's going to be a travesty.
Agree. MMFA is way off base if they are implying that NPR and Ina Jaffe are somehow part of the right-wing propaganda machine. I heard this piece as it aired, and I think they did a pretty fair job of revealing this initiative as the sleazy, self-serving republican't dirty trick that it is. The listener would have to be quite dim-witted to think that a California initiative might apply to the whole country; NPR plays to a smarter audience than that. Sure, Jaffe could have included a political opinion of the initiative's potential consequences that would have contradicted that of Gilliard's, but if MMFA wants to do her copy for her, they should go get a job at NPR. Overall, NPR tends to do a very good job of reporting the news thoroughly, and with equanimity (I guess that makes them "liberal", huh?).
One of the biggest signs that you're working for personal/political gain instead of on behalf of the greater good is when you're dishonest, misleading or generally understating the effect of what you're trying to do during a particular move. That's happening here for sure.
Hey guys!
Notice that none of the wingnuts have joined this thread? That's because even they know that this initiative is indefensible.
In 2000 the right was all about tradition with the electoral college, assuming Bush even won Florida. Now they want to rewrite the rules. Big surprise.
The funny thing is that, just before the 2000 election, Republicans assumed that Bush might win the popular vote and Gore the electoral vote. In the weeks leading up to the elections, Rush Limbaugh and his local talk radio parrots were bashing the Electoral College and calling for its abolition. When the results were opposite of what they anticipated, the did an immediate one-eighty, singing the praises of the Electoral College. I imagine that a lot of Fascist Radio hosts had whiplash from that instant turnaround.
Typical. I don't believe neocons really are interested in states' rights, but if they really were, they would be loyal to the electoral college system regardless of the result. Modern neocons love big national government when it helps perpetuate their goals, and their endorsement of "states' rights" rings hollow in the face of matters like abortion, etc.
Right. Whenever a conservative talks about "States Rights", don't be fooled. That phrase dates back to the Civil War and the later fight over desegregation. Essentially, they want their states to have the right to discriminate against whomever they wish, without Federal interference. That's why they have worked so hard to contaminate the Federal Courts with Troglodyte judges.
Well, I really do believe that in theory states' rights is a good thing, but I believe in the kind that John Marshall set the precedent for (our first Chief Justice, although Nerzog already knows that), and of course not the kind that is fair-weather for political purposes.
Since John Marshall is credited with creating Judicial Review, I guess he was the first "Activist Judge", and therefore, no hero to the Conservatives. They hate "Activist Judges", unless they're trying to plop Ten Commandments monuments on government property...then they suddenly don't find "judicial activism" so objectionable. Isn't that...interesting?
Or gay marriage, or Terry Schiavo or...
Gay marriage yes, but I think Schiavo would've been kept alive by FL, right? Can't have it both ways!
Bush pushed through Terri's law when the courts ruled for Michael Schiavo.
Depends on how you look at that. It was Floridas constitution and law that allowed Terri to be taken off life support as per her wishes. The legislature demogogued the issue to death. The people of Florida according to the St Pete newspaper poll were hugely in favor of the court decision. So it depends on what you mean by florida. Its politicians, its people, or its law.
The second the SCOTUS recognizes gay marriage to be an issue to be decided on state-to-state, gay marriage will be legally recognized throughout the country...per the Constitution, states must recognize and mutually respect the status given to citizens of other states (for example, you're married in VA if you were married in Mass, you can drive in PA if you were issued a license in WVa, etc.)
That's why the Troglodytes' wet dream is a Constitutional Amendment outlawing Gay Marriage. They see it as the only sure-fire way to "save" marriage.
I remember that. But not only that, but I remeber them saying that if it happened that Bush won the popular, but Gore won the EC, that they should challenge it, all the way to the SCOTUS.
Of course, when things turned out exactly opposite, they were strangely quiet.
You are correct..but be fair and honest. The Gore camp was sure they would win the electoral vote and lose the popular vote, and all of his people were talking about how you had to honor the electoral college. Gore did not care at all about "the will of the people" until he lost the electoral college. It works both ways.
you are incorrect. gore did not challenge the electoral system. he wanted votes counted that had not registered in the machine count. as he was allowed to do under florida law, as was bush. gore also agreed to the statewide count of undervotes by judges, which was ordered by the florida supreme court. gore accepted the u.s. supreme court decision that ultimately awarded the electoral votes to bush.
Limbaugh also spent his entire show the night before Perot went on Larry King bashing Perot as a nutcase and closet liberal, assuming that Perot was going to endorse Gore. When Perot endorsed Bush, Limbaugh spent much of the next day's show talking about what a great guy and Great American he always thought Perot was.
These guys have NO shame.
We must all forgive any Republan that has an idea for the next year. They cannot help themselves. They will be out of power and won't know how to survive. All those years of total control, getting nothing done, wasting their limted brain thoughts and now, the fear of a Woman, a Black Man or a Man whose is going after their wallets has turn their brains to mush. This idea in California is flawed from the beginning and seems to be Republan-like...selfish.
To all my fellow Republans Americans...Fear not, things will get better and once you regain control of your party from the Cyst-Jockeys (Limbaugh, etc) we can all talk about want is good for the ENTIRE country.
Truthy, where are you? We need to be misled and stupfied by your upcoming posts.
You're mistaken on one point. The Republicans have been enormously successful wielding their power. NAFTA, CAFTA, welfare "reform," corporate domination over every federal agency, skyrocketing military budgets, outsourcing jobs and industries, tax cuts for the rich, capital gains tax cuts, bankrupting the nation, heating the planet, withdrawing from the ABM treaty, spying on Americans, an energy policy relying on importing oil from Islamic nations, these guys have done way too much.
Justice and Truth in the USA - FACT CHECK:
As usual, a little fact checking shows that MMFA has nothing to complain about. The backers of the initiative are CLEARLY identified and opponents are given plenty of opportunity to respond -
From NPR's report -
California Initiative Could Split Electoral Votesby Ina Jaffe
Morning Edition, November 26, 2007 · There is a huge political battle raging in California that is viewed as either a much needed quest for electoral reform or an attempt to steal the presidential election.
Republicans are backing a proposed ballot initiative that would change the way California allocates its Electoral College votes. Right now, the statewide winner gets all 55. The proposed initiative would instead award two votes to the winner of each congressional district.
A few weeks ago, it appeared the campaign for the initiative was dead. Backers had raised no money to pay for gathering signatures. Ultimately, the initiative's organizers walked away.
But the initiative itself was still on the books, and an entirely new crew of supporters took it up.
GOP Resurrects Measure
"We said we thought it would be the Freddy Krueger of initiatives and come back to life, and, indeed, at some level it has," says Democratic consultant Chris Lehane, who's spearheading the effort to defeat the measure.
But the prize offered by the Electoral College initiative was just too tantalizing for Republicans to let it fade away, he says.
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I was hoping that with some time off MMFA might actually come up with something to really complain about. Turns out, MMFA is just yammering and whining again for no good reason - unless, of course, MMFA just cannot stand good, fair and balanced reporting from the liberal MSM!
I was with you totally, for awhile anyway. The first part of your post reflected the way I remember NPR reporting on it, albeit a couple weeks ago. (So you might lose a point there, someone else will have to confirm the recentness of your quote.)
But as for the "whining about nothing"... not so sure there. This initiative is nothing more than a blatant, tranparent, shallow and completly biased manipulation of our electoral system purely for the gain of one party. That's fact, not opinion, AND YOU KNOW IT. So ANY representation of this as something else is BS / propaganda. In a effort to avoid the accusation of "liberal bias", NPR is giving legitamacy to an inititive that has none. So MMFA has a point, and a damn good reason to complain about it. (Your quote not withstanding.)
Still don't believe it? Just ask yourself how you'd feel about it if the democrats wanted to do this in Texas, or any other safely red state. If it's BS for them to do it, then it BS for you to do it. Pure and simple.
NGEDDIE, Using pure and simple in any psot concerning Truthy is only half-right.
NiceguyEddie
Whenever either side wants to monkey with the electoral college it's almost always b.s.
However, the reporting from NPR spelled out the political nature of the issue - clearly. So I have no problem with the reporting on the issue.
As far as giving "legitimacy" to an issue, I really don't think that the press is supposed to be the referree on that.
"I really don't think that the press is supposed to be the referree on that."
The job of the press, traditionally, has been to act as a watchdog on government, and seek out the truth. I realize that's an idealized view, and the profit motive has always been there. Unfortunately, the profit motive and the truth motive have lately become inversed, and we're worse off for it.
There's nothing to "referee" here. If even YOU admit it's BS, then the press calling it out as such would hardly be controversial.
There's no debate here. [The Pub's]want more votes and they're trying to change to rules (unfairly - even you, a tried and true righty, admit that) to get them. Being "fair and balanced" (I mean in actaulity now, not the way Fox is) gives the proposal a legitimacy that it clearly does not warrant.
Considering the consequences (which I'm sure you won't mind, but at least 50% of the country would) there is a danger in displaying even the obligatory objectivity. This proposal shouldn't fool even the simplest of voters, but the danger that there might be just enough simple fools or die-hard republicans (and NO, those aren't entirely the same groups, so don't go there, lefties!) to pass it justifies a blunt and honest reporting of what this REALLY IS. And it's nothing but a vote grab. Call it like it is - NO SPIN. Anything else is misinformation.
Good point. To portray this initiative as ANYTHING but a cynical attempt by the Republicans to steal the next election is, in essence, misinformation.
Those aren't the points made by MM in the summary.
Turns out you are inflicting your ignorant snivelling on us again. Grow up, or go away and let the adults talk
Solon:
Real "gownups" don't whine and snivel over non-issues (such as this topic).
I honestly hope that that helps you understand what is wrong with MMFA and its bogus "analysis".
"Real "gownups" don't whine and snivel over non-issues"
Like the "War on Christmas" or "The Gay Agenda"?
Now those issues are deadly serious.
You know, I like you. I really do. You make me laugh. I really value that. THANK YOU for the laugh.
How would YOU know what grownups do? ACT like a grown up for a few days and get back to us. You crybaby conservatives are the biggest snivellers in creation its a hoot listening to YOU talk to US about snivelling all you do is WHINE about MMFA. Its like listening to Imelda Marcos tell us about OUR shoe fetish
Well prince, it only took 3 minutes for your call to be answered!
The reality within this sudden 'resurrection' of that initative, given it was given up for dead, is Evil Guiliani himself. It is he and his people that are behind this sudden 'resurrection' and that is what NPR failed to point out in adequate terms.
Storm - don't take my (good-natured) ribbing in my nextpost too personally. (It's all in good fun.) But I seriously would like to read more about this. Got any (reputible) links?
Normally I'd be prone to poke fun at the apparent conspiracy theory in Stormskies' post, but Gulliani scares the hell out of me... And I don't put it past him! :)
But I do have a question about the intitive - so someone please help me out here. To pass, the initiative needs what? 50% of the vote? (Or is 60% - to chnage the state constitution or something like that?) And can a Proposal that so obviously hurts Democrats really GET 50% of the vote in a state that has gone for the democrat in every presidential election of the last half-century, save for th e Nixon/Reagan landslides. This isn't [insert right-wing southern red-neck state] after all - this is CALIFORNIA we're talking about! Can [the Pub's] really get the votes for this? Are the democrats in CA that gullible? (I won't ask if the republican's are that shameless/unprincipaled - I know that answer.) It just seems to me that this CAN'T pass. Am I being to optimistic (as usual)? Please comment.
oh sure, all it will take is the usual endless litany of lies repeated ad nuaseum. Soon you will see all sorts of characters supporting this measure as follows: it is pro democracy, it's for fairness, it's patriotic, it's what Jesus would want (look for Pastor Warren to get his weight behind that one) etc.
This is a disturbing trend at NPR. I've tuned in to hear the founder of the Club for Growth rant for a hour uncontested, ostensibly advising on recession and the mortgage crisis. Several other interviews with fringe elements spewing lies and half truths uncontested.
Either NPR has an agenda, or is guilty of the MSM disease of lazy journalism. If you are going to interview the controvrsial or spin doctors with known agendas, do your homework.
I wonder if they've become hyper sensitive to the phony "Liberal Media" charge, since they receive some Federal funding? Conservatives who defend the Cash Bonfire in Iraq will whine and kvetch to no end about the miniscule amount of tax money that goes to Public broadcasting.
Only TruthJustice had the guts to dispute this one. Tommy and the trolls are obviously afraid of this post because there's nothing to argue. Blatant GOP Trickery going on here. TruthJustice I'm sure ignores this story in his claim that the media has a liberal bias.
Tommy may be stubborn and conservative but he is honest. He wont come in and argue a point he doesnt believe in and this is a blatant power grab by the GOP that KNOWS they cant win in California with the far right ideologues they want to foist off on America.
This certainly is a power play by the Rs, but I believe when this topic first came up some time back, it was mentioned the Ds were trying something similar in the Carolinas. If a similar initative were passed across the board by all states, it would lessen the impact of the electoral college and would more closely represent the popular vote.
I would have no problem with it being enacted in such a way it only took effect after ALL states ratify it.
I would appreciate it if you could link some proof of the Dems doing the same thing in SC.
Sorry if I step on some toes here (you'll get used to it). I assumed the issue of republican malfeasance was a forgone conclusion and the real debate would hinge around NPR's handling of it.
I'v listened to NPR for as long as it has been broadcast on our local affiliate. I'v grown almost totally dependent on it as my radio news source. Saying I'm a fan is like saying you're a fan of breathing. So this observation comes from a tazered and waterboarded heart.
As with any subtle nuance, it's hard to say when it really started, but in the past three years Iv'e noticed a decided shift away from fact based objectivity in their reporting to a "fair and balanced" approach. ie: If we do a 10 min. report on holocaust survivors, we'll give 5 min. to the victims side and 5 min. of commentary from decendants of the SS to air their perspective. That may seem like an over-the-top example, but only because they haven't aired it yet.
This shift has closely followed the increase in corpy commercials...er...sponsorship....er... contributions, okay, whatever term you want to apply to payola.
To be fair (even though there is no good reason to be so), this fish stinks from the head. CPB, the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, has been pushing this shift since a "Loyal Bushie" was appointed to head this government sponsored private intity.
I've ranted and toe stepped enough for now. ;}
Supporters say this change is a great idea. If they're right, wouldn't it STILL be a great idea if it were implemented for the 2012 or 2016 electoral cycles? That way, any court challenges -- and should this proposal pass it WILL be challenged -- can be resolved and the voters of California (not to mention future presidential campaigns) will have time to adjust to the new landscape.
The fact that supporters want the Electoral College change to take place NOW, in 2008, is a clear sign that the whole thing is a cynical ploy to hand electoral votes to the Republican candidate.