O'Reilly accused NY Times of "rooting for a recession"
SUMMARY: Bill O'Reilly accused The New York Times of "rooting for a recession," citing a Times article reporting on both the possible positive and negative effects of a recession. But O'Reilly did not note an article in The Wall Street Journal -- owned by Fox News' parent company, News Corp. -- with the headline "Recession Fears Weigh Heavily on the Markets," nor did he mention that FoxNews.com columnist Susan Walker penned a column headlined "5 Reasons Why We Are Closer to a Recession."
During the November 26 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly accused The New York Times of "rooting for a recession," citing a November 25 article reporting on both the possible positive and negative effects of a recession and featuring a graphic with the word "RECE$$ION" in large, red letters. However, while O'Reilly criticized the Times, as well as The Atlanta Journal-Constitution and the Seattle Post-Intelligencer, for running recent "articles about a possible recession," he did not note a November 26 article in The Wall Street Journal -- owned by Fox News' parent company, News Corp. -- with the headline "Recession Fears Weigh Heavily on the Markets." Nor did O'Reilly mention that FoxNews.com columnist Susan Walker penned an October 26 column headlined, "5 Reasons Why We Are Closer to a Recession," in which she asserted that "recent follies in the credit and debt markets point to a strong possibility of an economic slowdown in the U.S."
Introducing the November 26 segment, O'Reilly stated: "What do you think of media rooting for America to lose in Iraq and rooting for a recession? The reason some do is because they want the Democratic Party to win elections, very simple." O'Reilly continued: "Over the Thanksgiving weekend, record crowds went shopping all across the USA. According to the National Retail Federation, 147 million shoppers turned out, up 5 percent from last year. Yet newspapers like The New York Times, The Atlanta Journal Constitution, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer all ran articles about a possible recession. Now that is possible. The economy may recede. But at this point, nobody knows."
Later in the segment, discussing the Times article with Fox News contributors Kirsten Powers and Margaret Hoover, O'Reilly stated: "[N]ow I'm saying to myself, look, [Times columnist] Paul Krugman has been rooting for a recession for the last eight years. It may happen. But isn't it wrong to root against your own company, even if it's for a political gain?" Powers responded, "I don't think that they're rooting for that. ... [W]hen you actually read the article, the setup was sort of: is there going to be a recession?" Referring to the graphic that accompanied the Times piece, O'Reilly asked, "Could the word recession have been any bigger? Could it have been any bigger?" O'Reilly later asked Powers, "You don't believe that The New York Times wants a recession?" to which she replied, "[N]o, I don't think so." O'Reilly went on to ask: "[W]hen you say you don't think The New York Times is rooting for a recession, do you have anything to base that on other than your clairvoyance?"
In fact, New York Times reporter Peter S. Goodman did write that a significant economic downturn "may ... be an unavoidable step toward purging the United States and the global economy of a major source of instability" and that some economists see a "mild recession" -- what he said was viewed by many as the likeliest scenario -- as "a way to fix the imbalances in world trade that are at the center of fears of a great unraveling." But he also wrote that "[i]t is worth bearing in mind that the American economy has a history of unexpected resilience in the face of supposedly grim prospects." At no point did he "root for" a recession.
The November 26 Journal article -- headlined "Recession Fears Weigh Heavily On the Markets" -- reported that the stock market is "sending an increasingly ominous signal that a U.S. recession could be near," but that the Federal Reserve and many economists retain "their view that the nation's economy can escape a downturn." From the article:
Battered stock and bond markets are sending an increasingly ominous signal that a U.S. recession could be near.
The markets, however, haven't swayed Federal Reserve officials and most private economists from their view that the nation's economy can escape a downturn and get back on a steadier course.
The disparity between those two views of the economy -- one growing bleaker, the other remaining sanguine -- stood out starkly last week.
Though it rose during Friday's shortened trading day, the Dow Jones Industrial Average -- at 12980.88 -- is 8.4% below its all-time high, set in October. Safe-haven Treasurys, meanwhile, have rallied as investors have lost confidence in a quick resolution of the U.S. housing slump and mortgage crisis, which are behind many of today's economic worries in both the U.S. and Europe.
But in an economic outlook released by the Fed, the central bank's policy makers said they expected U.S. economic growth to pick up as housing hits bottom and financial markets gradually resume more-normal functioning. Fed officials see the U.S. economy growing between 1.8% and 2.5% next year, according to minutes from their most recent meeting.
Additionally, in her October 26 FoxNews.com column, Walker wrote:
Here's a truism -- just because many people don't want something to happen doesn't mean it won't. An example: Recessions happen even though people don't want them to. Most people don't even want to think about an economic recession. For instance, here's the lead from a recent story in the Financial Times, "The R-word Surfaces on Wall Street":
"The R-word is usually avoided by Wall Street's economists. It tends to be a conversation-stopper when investment bank clients are told to prepare for the worst. 'It is like looking a client in the eye and telling them that their child is ugly,' says David Rosenberg, chief economist at Merrill Lynch. It is not what people want to hear" (Financial Times, Sept. 10, 2007).
But recent follies in the credit and debt markets point to a strong possibility of an economic slowdown in the U.S. Here are five reasons why I think we are closer to a recession than we were two months ago before the subprime mortgage market imploded.
In the November 25 article, the Times reported the possible effects of a recession, both positive and negative. From the article:
You need not be a Wall Street chieftain to feel the anxiety that has wrapped its arms around the American economy. The stock market seems locked in a downward spiral as one bank after another suffers its day of reckoning with bad mortgages. Companies are sharply cutting profit forecasts as the sense takes hold that American consumers are finally too loaded with debt to buy the next flat-screen television. The dollar has fallen to inglorious depths, turning Manhattan department stores into something like a Tijuana street market for Germans. One unpleasant word hovers large: recession.
How bad could things get? Pretty bad, say many economists. Not so bad that your grandfather's prescriptions for enduring the Great Depression need dusting off, but nasty enough to force many Americans to get reacquainted with living within their means. That could make life uncomfortable. It may also be an unavoidable step toward purging the United States and the global economy of a major source of instability -- an unhealthy dependence on the willingness of American consumers to keep buying even as debt mounts. Concerns that Americans must eventually grow thrifty, leaving factories from Guangzhou to Guatemala City scrambling for buyers, now sows unease around the world.
It is worth bearing in mind that the American economy has a history of unexpected resilience in the face of supposedly grim prospects. Moreover, some parts of the economy are enjoying good times, notably farmers able to cash in on the making of ethanol. That said, most economists think the American economy is headed for a significant slowdown, as housing prices keep falling, consumers grow tight, and businesses cut investments.
The Federal Reserve last week said it expected the economy to grow 1.6 percent to 2.6 percent next year, a stark contrast from the 3.9 percent rate registered in the most recent quarter. Some see signs of a worst-case scenario -- a severe recession that would feature a plummeting stock market, a lower dollar and the loss of many jobs. That would make for an unpleasant year or two for Americans from most walks of life. It would probably drag down the world economy, as Americans put off purchases of everything from computers made in China to Italian-produced sports cars.
The most bearish indulge frighteningly gloomy tones. "The evidence is now building that an ugly recession is inevitable," declared Nouriel Roubini, an economist who was among the first to warn of the dangers of a real estate downturn, writing last week on his blog, the Global EconoMonitor. "When the United States sneezes the rest of the world gets the cold. And since the United States will not just sneeze, but is risking a serious case of protracted and severe pneumonia, the rest of the world should start to worry about a serious viral contagion."
Most economists are not so pessimistic. The most likely outcome envisioned by many is a slowdown or a mild recession. That would increase unemployment somewhat, and it would keep the stock market in the doldrums, but it would probably not be severe enough to significantly crimp economies abroad. And while it would impose pain, some see in this more moderate path a way to fix the imbalances in world trade that are at the center of fears of a great unraveling.
Americans have been buying staggering quantities of goods from overseas using money lent by foreigners. Foreign exporters have been relying on American consumers to keep them in business. For years, this dynamic has made for increasingly lopsided terms of trade: Last year, American imports outstripped exports by $764 billion, with foreigners stepping in to cover the difference.
As Media Matters for America has documented, O'Reilly has repeatedly attacked The New York Times (here, here, here, and here).
From the November 26 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor:
O'REILLY: "Impact" segment tonight: What do you think of media rooting for America to lose in Iraq and rooting for a recession? The reason some do is because they want the Democratic Party to win elections, very simple. Over the Thanksgiving weekend, record crowds went shopping all across the USA. According to the National Retail Federation, 147 million shoppers turned out, up 5 percent from last year. Yet newspapers like The New York Times, The Atlanta Journal Constitution, the Seattle Post-Intelligencer all ran articles about a possible recession. Now, that is possible. The economy may recede. But at this point, nobody knows.
Also, the crazy Seattle newspaper ran a big editorial about impeaching President Bush and Vice President Cheney, showing them in a mug shot situation. Now, how responsible are these loons out in Seattle? Irresponsible, I should say. With us now to discuss, Republican strategist Margaret Hoover and Fox News political analyst Kirsten Powers, a Democrat. Both are very responsible. They're never deemed to be irresponsible. All right, Powers, now look, a lot of people have said this to me. You've got these hordes of people running in at 4 in the morning to Macy's, throwing money at the cashier. And there's the little New York Times thing -- recession. All right, do we have that shot? We can show that -- and now I'm saying to myself, look, Paul Krugman's been rooting for a recession for the last eight years. It may happen, but isn't it wrong to root against your own company, even if it's for a political gain?
POWERS: I don't think that they're rooting for that. And I think if you look at -- look, people always put headlines out to get attention. But when you actually read the article, the setup was sort of: is there going to be a recession? There could be --
O'REILLY: Could the word "recession" have been any bigger?
POWERS: But --
O'REILLY: Could it have been any bigger?
POWERS: But they want to get people -- they want to draw people in with something --
O'REILLY: You're right.
POWERS: -- that they're concerned about. And polls have shown that there are a lot -- majority of Americans actually do feel that we're in a recession --
O'REILLY: You don't believe that The New York Times wants a recession?
POWERS: And I don't -- no, I don't think so.
O'REILLY: No?
POWERS: And The Economist also ran an article in -- an editorial, arguing that we very well may be headed for a recession. I don't think they're rooting for it. I think there are people that are concerned about it. There are economists who think that it's possible --
O'REILLY: All right, is there -- when you say you don't think The New York Times is rooting for a recession, do you have anything to base that on other than your clairvoyance?
POWERS: Well, you know, I don't -- I can't really get into the minds of The New York Times people -- we've had this conversation before --
O'REILLY: You can't? But consistently, they've taken --
POWERS: But there's a difference between, you know, when you take a liberal columnist, perhaps, who may be looking for the Bush administration to fail, I will disagree with that.
O'REILLY: You're not going to name any names, right?
POWERS: But in that article, I really think that they laid out -- here's some arguments for why we may be in a recession --
O'REILLY: OK.
POWERS: -- and here's some for why we may not.
















O'REILLY: All right, is there -- when you say you don't think The New York Times is rooting for a recession, do you have anything to base that on other than your clairvoyance?
Well, Bill, I guess that's proof positive that the New York Times wants a recession...
Does Bill O ever base his opinions on anything other than stuff he pulls out of his butt?
Well, I don't THINK Bill O'Reilly is 'rooting' for the deaths of atheists, homosexuals, and muslims. I don't really have any evidence, though.
Therefore...
Bill O'Reilly is rooting for the deaths of all atheists, homosexuals, and muslims.
Bill O'Reilly is rooting for the deaths of all atheists, homosexuals, and muslims.
All right, is there -- when you say Bill O'Reilly is rooting for the deaths of all atheists, homosexuals, and muslims, do you have anything to base that on other than his purported falafel showers?
So say Mr O'falafel, when you say they ARE rooting for a recession do YOU have anything to base it on other than your clairvoyance?
O'Reilly demonstrates the mastery of debate that all Wingnuts seem to think they have: State your opinion as irrefutable fact, require all dissent to have documentation, if documentation actually is provided attack its credibility, if reality proves you wrong blame the librul media and cry persecution, rinse, repeat.
The only problem with your assessment of Bill's debating tactics is that he has admitted being wrong about the Iraq war numerous times as well as correcting information when it's proven incorrect. I've also seen him revise his views when additional or contrasting information is provided to him. One example of this that comes to mind is during the viewer email after Bill had criticized people that drive large SUVs a viewer wrote in saying they purposely purchased a larger vehicle to run a local carpool. Bill acknowledged that he hadn't considered that point. This is why Bill is successful and MMFA attacks continue to fail in removing him from the air.
While Bill may have admitted he was wrong about the Iraq war that still hasn't stopped him from returning to the same dogmatic and wrongheaded thinking about it time after time. He still claims that those of us who do not support the war are nothing but troop haters who wish to see America destroyed and have gone insane with hatred of Bush.
Bill will grudgingly accept facts counter to his worldview but more often than not he does not actually change the way he addresses a topic. Once he locks into a way of thinking he is very hard to knock off of it.
Just look at the example this article is adressing. He states out flatly that the Times wants a recession but requires that Powers display psychic abilities in order to say the opposite. Does that seem like a reasonable debate to you?
The only problem with your assessment of Bill's debating tactics is that he has admitted being wrong about the Iraq war numerous times as well as correcting information when it's proven incorrect.
Waiiiiit a minute here - Bill O'Reilly is AGAINST the war now???
Why does he hate the troops, and why does he want America to lose?!?! He should be tried for treason, and hung for choosing to side with the terrorists against freedom.
I am not sure about rooting for a recession. Recessions effect everyone. They do not know political party affiliation. Oreilly bombed on this one big time.
Well said Sueeld, what O'Reilly has stated is not only wrong and propaganda its divisive and without merit.
Well said Sueeld, what O'Reilly has stated is not only wrong and propaganda its divisive and without merit.
That's all O'Reilly's got - meritless divisiveness. And it's his huge contribution to the hateful divisiveness that's doing this country great harm. But he doesn't see that. All he sees is his growing celebrity and the ka-ching in his bank account.
Sue,
I am constantly amazed that you don't write off O'Reilly completely. "On this one . . .?!?" Regardless of how many instances of hypocrisy and out and out lying this man is caught at, there's still a tendency among some to give him some degree of credibility. MMFA has done a good job of highlighting his spin and as a result he is increasingly irrelevant. He's the worst type of liar -- the type that takes refuge in feigned patriotism. He would have been welcomed in Mussolini's Italy (except for his Irish roots).
Yea and Bile O wants a culture war.
Right Bill - Newspapers are rooting for a recession cause they just love the drop in ad sales that would cause. Does Billo every actually LISTEN to what he says? What a Buffoon.
It's a statement of type. It's part of the meta statement that moonbats only like bad things to happen to people.
Somewhere in a wingnut mind is a politically correct (ugly) group in cheer leading clothes smiling and cheering on recession. Why such a queasy image would occur and grow, I'm not able to say. I don't think I want to know.;-)
Please Bill, you're our champion, our hero, our leader.
Why pick a fight with the NYT when we should be focusing on the War on Xmas?
LOLOL.... the war is on PC.
It's becoming clearer with every passing day: O'Reilly is a boob.
Can I say boob?
Yes, but you can't use its three-letter synonym...the filter will get you.
I guess he and Rush have a side bet on who can say the most senseless thing about the "Drive by Media" or the "Leftist Media". Cracks me up because almost all media is owned by the likes of GE, one of the main cogs in the military-congressional-industrial complex.
I'm not sure who started it, but Rush Limbaugh perfected this little scam of discrediting the "Liberal Media" or "Drive-By Media" which he's been using lately. What he's done is create an army of drooling dittobots who only believe what he and his fellow Professional Liars tell them.
If the Press actually does its job and reports something which conflicts with the carefully constructed GOP Paradigm, he can just point and say "See, you can't believe anything they say...but you can believe ME." It works surprisingly well on the simple minded...kind of like a Jedi Mind Trick.
Hi Ner,
You say the "carefully constructed GOP Paradigm". I've been doing some reading on the rise of militarism in this country and I'm pretty convinced that Rush is a paid mouthpiece for all of that, the military brass, the defense contractors, pretty much any congress critter that has a base or big munitions plant in their district. He seems to go out of his way to kiss up to the military every chance he gets, and to relentlessly glorify military actions.
I did not realize until recently that the US did not have a substantial peace time standing army until after WWII. The proganda of the military and their cheerleaders in the corporate world has been so effective, that most Americans now take for granted that we spend %45 of the entire world expenditures on defense spending. Also, we take for granted that the defense department employs thousands and spends millions for public relations, to convince that we need to spend even more on defense.
I would strongly recommend the video "The Power of Nightmares". Some might consider it tin-foil-hat stuff, but it does call attention to one interesting fact. The principal actors involved in drumming up the Iraq war were also involved in exaggerating the Soviet threat during the Cold War. The result of both has been an obscene windfall for defense contractors. Coincidence? I don't think so.
C'mon, we're talking about O'Reilly. This is the same idiot who claimed that the USO doesn't send entertainment to Afghanistan, is proven to be a lying fool, then has the president of the USO on his show not to apologize in person, but to castigate him for not sending Dr. Laura on a USO tour. That makes total sense, sending an idiot who insults soldier's families by calling them whiners to lift the moral of the troops.
He wanted them to send Dr Laura to scold the troops, I mean does she do anything else? Doesnt he think the suicide rate is high enough?
Dr. Laura to see the troops? She's not an entertainer. Of course, neither is that blowhard O'Reilly. The military doesn't need Dr. Laura messing with them. She's already screwed up her own soldier son enough that the Army is investigating a website he had which an Army official has described as repulsive.
"Dr." Laura is no psychologist, either. Her PhD is in psysiology - muscle function.
Her doctorate has as much relevance to her radio pukefest and the crap she spews forth as Michael Savage's doctorate in botany......
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
The Republican Single Party Rule, aka The American Fascists run our military, civil liberties, and government in to oblivion, we should be suprised the economy does likewise?
This "we want recession" for political sway is just a way to say "you made me do it" thus it's your fault!
While we live through the Inflation of the '70's all over again, but worse, we will hear this crap in stereo.
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
Exactly. They must think we're stupid, this is definitely a republican recession if it hits. They can't blame it on Clinton now that they spent the last four years saying Bush's tax cuts undid the damage they claimed Clinton did.
No O Bile Lie and rush will blame it on the liberal media, who cheerleaded us into the recession. I remember when the dot.com bubble started to pop, rush said it was the clinton's fault because of the microsoft anti trust lawsuit. I recall rush complaining about the government harrassment and blaming the stock drop on that. It will NEVER be blamed on republicans or market fundamentalist free market idiologies.
O'Reilly may accuse anything he wants, but isn't it true the first to suffer from a recession are quite possibly newspapers and churches ?
Goody I was waiting for when there would be a Bill O'lielly.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/27/oreilly-drlaura/
O’Reilly ‘Bitches’ And ‘Whines’ For Military Charity To Send Dr. Laura To Meet With U.S. TroopsAfter he returned from his recent trip to Afghanistan, Fox News host Bill O’Reilly attacked the United Service Organizations (USO) for not sending more celebrities to the country to entertain U.S. troops. The USO swiftly responded to O’Reilly, pointing out that it has already sent seven entertainment tours to Afghanistan this year, and expects to send approximately 19 celebrities total in 2007.
Last night on his show, O’Reilly hosted USO CEO and President Edward Powell, sharply criticizing him for not sending more high-caliber celebrities — the “big guns” — to Afghanistan. His entire tirade was based on a complaint by right-wing radio show host Dr. Laura Schlessinger, who told O’Reilly that the USO turned down her offer to go to Afghanistan:
After mocking the fact that the biggest name celebrity USO has taken to Afghanistan is Wilmer Valderrama of “That 70’s Show,” O’Reilly told Powell that “Dr. Laura wants to go, you get her butt over there, sir.” Watch it:
I aint rootin for it, but sounds like a depression comin, not a recession, to me.
Happy Thoughts,
Eddy
predicting it does not equate to rootin' for it.
EXACTLY!!!!! That is what we need to teach some of the posters here (AA and RH come to mind immediately.) who see predictions as proof of "bias" or "agenda."
Well thought out disagreement and predictions do not equate to bias.
Just as acknowledging America's faults does not equate to "hating America". Unfortunately, such concepts tend to short circuit the brains of black and white thinkers.
Tell a conservative that the freedoms represented by the U.S. Flag include the freedom to burn the U.S. Flag...then watch his eyes glaze over.
Much of our media is targeted at that group of our fellow Americans, those who are controlled by emotion and superstition.
Happy talk and denial work pretty well on the ones who consider reporting unpleasant facts or reasonably negative predictions as active forces on reality.
The New York Times is rooting for a recession. Don't you people read that newspaper?
Come on Hot, quotes please.
Why do wingnuts think stupid statements and baseless assertions magically become true if they repeat them?