Buchanan: "America [is] committing suicide" while "Asian, African, and Latin American children come to inherit the estate"
MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan appeared on the November 26 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes to discuss his new book, Day of Reckoning: How Hubris, Ideology, And Greed Are Tearing America Apart (Thomas Dunne Books, November 2007), in which he writes that America is "on a path to national suicide" and later asks: "How is America committing suicide?" answering: "Every way a nation can." He proceeds to claim that "[t]he American majority is not reproducing itself. ... Forty-five million of its young have been destroyed in the womb since Roe v. Wade, as Asian, African, and Latin American children come to inherit the estate the lost generation of American children never got to see." On Hannity & Colmes, Buchanan asserted: "You've got a wholesale invasion, the greatest invasion in human history, coming across your southern border, changing the composition and character of your country. You've got the melting pot that once welded us all together, which has broken down." Co-host Sean Hannity went on to ask him: "Do you really believe that America, the country we all love as we know it, is in jeopardy of existing?" Buchanan responded: "I think America may exist, but I'll tell you this: I do believe we're going to lose the American Southwest. I think it is almost inevitable." He continued: "If we do not put a fence on that border ...you're going to have 100 million Hispanics in the country, most of them new immigrants from Mexico, which believes that belongs to them. What's going to happen to us, Sean, in my judgment, is what is happening right now: We are Balkanizing. We are dividing and separating from one another politically, morally -- on issues like abortion or Terri Schiavo -- racially and ethnically when you get Jena and then you get Don Imus, and all of these things ripping us apart. All the things that used to pull us together and hold us together no longer do."
From the book:
Truly, America faces an existential crisis. Are the racial, political, social, and cultural forces pulling us apart overwhelming the forces holding us together?
It is the belief of the author and premise of this book that America is indeed coming apart, decomposing, and that the likelihood of her survival as one nation through midcentury is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on her current course. For we are on a path to national suicide.
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How is America committing suicide? Every way a nation can.
The American majority is not reproducing itself. Its birthrate has been below replacement level for decades. Forty-five million of its young have been destroyed in the womb since Roe v. Wade, as Asian, African, and Latin American children come to inherit the estate the lost generation of American children never got to see."
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, from 2005 to 2006, our minority population rose 2.4 million to exceed 100 million. Hispanics, 1 percent of the U.S. population in 1950, are now 14.4 percent. Since 2000, their numbers have soured 25 percent to 45 million. The U.S. Asian population grew by 24 percent since 2000, as the number of white kids of school age fell 4 percent. Half the children five and younger today are minority children. (Pages 7-8)
Buchanan also writes that "the greatest cohort of immigrants here today, legal and illegal, is from Mexico" and states that, "[b]y 2050, more than 100 million Hispanics will be in the United States, concentrated in a Southwest that borders on Mexico." From the book:
Almost as many African-American males are in jail or prison as are in colleges or universities. Half of all African-American and Hispanic students drop out of high school. The other half graduates with the math and reading skills of seventh-, eighth- and ninth-graders. Yet by 2050 the number of African-Americans and Hispanics will have almost doubled from today's 85 million, to 160 million. The future seems more ominous than it did in the hopeful days of civil rights. For these burgeoning scores of millions will not long accept second-class accommodations in the affluent society, where they are the emerging majority. The long hot summers of yesterday may be returning.
As critical, the greatest cohort of immigrants here today, legal and illegal, is from Mexico. One in five Mexicans is already here. But unlike the immigrants of old, Mexicans bear an ancient grudge against us as the country that robbed Mexico of half her land when both nations were young. By one survey, 72 percent of Mexican look on Americans as "racists."8 By another, 58 percent of Mexicans believe the American Southwest belongs to them.9
At the Guadalajara soccer game where Mexico played the United States for the right to compete in the 2004 Olympics, each Mexican score was greeted with chants of "Osama! Osama!"10 During the Miss World contest in Mexico City in 2007, Miss USA's every appearance was hooted and jeered.
By 2050, more than 100 million Hispanics will be in the United States, concentrated in a Southwest that borders on Mexico. As the Serbs are losing Kosovo, so we may have lost the Southwest. (Pages 10-11)
As Media Matters for America documented, on the June 25 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, Buchanan asserted that "every 20 months, we add a new Mexico in the Third World. You're going to add 30 new Mexicos by 2050, and they all know the door is open." During the show, Buchanan went on to criticize the immigration bill being considered by Congress at the time and similarly warned of losing the "American Southwest": "If you grant amnesty -- and there's nothing in this bill that stops the invasion -- I think you lose the American Southwest." As Media Matters also noted, in his 2006 book, State of Emergency: The Third World Invasion and Conquest of America (Thomas Dunne Books), Buchanan also made reference to a "new Mexico":
The crisis of the West is of a collapsing culture and vanishing peoples, as a Third World that grows by 100 million people -- the equivalent of a new Mexico -- every eighteen months mounts the greatest invasion in the history of the world. If we do not shake off our paralysis, the West comes to an end. (Page 245)
From the November 26 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: Our friend Pat Buchanan highlights what he calls "a nation in crisis" in his explosive brand-new book. It's called Day of Reckoning: How Hubris, Ideology, and Greed are Tearing America Apart.
In the book, he takes aim at illegal immigration, calling it "the greatest invasion in our nation's history." Joining us now, with his first interview about his brand-new book, just out today, Day of Reckoning, former presidential candidate himself, Pat Buchanan. How -- you miss those old days?
BUCHANAN: Yeah, this would have been my time. It's a little past it for me but my ideas are out there.
HANNITY: Well, I -- look. I've said this to you many times, we're friends: Pat Buchanan is often ahead of his time. You were way ahead of your time on immigration and the debate in this country. Here's what you say in the book, and it scares me because a lot of -- having read the book now, I'm afraid this may be true: "America is ... coming apart, decomposing, and ... the likelihood of her survival as one nation ... is improbable -- and impossible if America continues on [its] current course." Pat Buchanan, those -- that's a scary scenario for all of us who love this country.
BUCHANAN: It is. It is. But take a look at the unity we had, say, in the 1950s and early 1960s. What have we gone through? You had a culture war that's divided us completely on matters of morality. You've got a wholesale invasion, the greatest invasion in human history, coming across your southern border, changing the composition and character of your country. You've got the melting pot that once welded us all together, which has broken down. All of these things are happening, Sean, and, frankly, I don't think we got the kind of solid, firm, strong national leadership you need to deal with this crisis.
HANNITY: You say we're on a path of national suicide. I want to ask this question directly because you say it's a day of reckoning. Do you really believe that America, the country we all love as we know it, is in jeopardy of existing?
BUCHANAN: I think -- here's what I think. I think America may exist, but I'll tell you this: I do believe we're going to lose the American Southwest. I think it is almost inevitable. If we do not put a fence on that border --
HANNITY: I agree with you.
BUCHANAN: -- you're going to have 100 million Hispanics in the country, most of them new immigrants from Mexico, which believes that belongs to them. What's going to happen to us, Sean, in my judgment, is what is happening right now: We are Balkanizing. We are dividing and separating from one another politically, morally -- on issues like abortion or Terri Schiavo -- racially and ethnically, when you get Jena and then you get Don Imus, and all of these things ripping us apart. All the things that used to pull us together and hold us together no longer do.
HANNITY: You say that the greatest invasion in history of the Third World, et cetera, et cetera, talking about the invasion on our borders, and I agree with you. That to me is the number one security issue we have.
You talk about the culture is collapsing, the nation is being deconstructed along lines of race and class in America, a fiscal crisis is looming, Medicare, Social Security is going bankrupt, and we don't have politicians that can get along enough to solve the problem.
More racist xenophobia from Buchanan, my other question, why does MSNBC allow him to appear on FOX?
Justice and Truth in the USA - Fact Check:
Why does Pat appear on FOX?
Quick answer: To promote his new book.
(As an aside, let me point out that Pat Buchanan is where the far-left and the far-right meet. Remember - Pat was totally against the Iraq war and the "neo-cons" and gained a lot of leftist allies. However, his anti-immigration views have gained him some far-right allies. In my opinion, Pat is just a sick, Jew-hating scumbag. You might remember that Pat caused National Review and Bill Buckley to devote an entire issue to the discussion of anti-semitism. Pat has very few fans left on the conservative side of the aisle.)
So, anyone who is against the Iraq War is "far left?" I bet that's news to Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul.
By the way, where do those who support the war and hide behind their keyboards fall on the spectrum?
So, anyone who is against the Iraq War is "far left?" I bet that's news to Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul.
friedbergboy1422
I never said "anyone". I said that at some point the kooky left meets the kooky right -
Example
If Kucinich wins nomination, Ron Paul could be his veep Posted by Sabrina Eaton and Stephen Koff November 25, 2007 19:03PM Categories: KucinichAcworth, New Hampshire -- Call it the liberal-libertarian ticket, where left meets right and Democrat Dennis Kucinich picks Republican Ron Paul to be his vice president.
Kucinich, the Cleveland congressman running in a longshot bid to become president, suggested it himself today.
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Example 2:
From TheNation.com
Much of what has appeared in The American Conservative--which Buchanan edits with columnist Taki Theodoracopulos, the jet-setting son of a shipping tycoon and convicted drug felon who is underwriting the publication--echoes the sentiments and skepticism of the anti-interventionist left. In fact, conservative author Ronald Radosh quipped that readers of Buchanan's magazine "might have been excused for wondering if they had accidentally picked up The Nation." The first issue even contained a caustic piece by Kevin Phillips--"Why I Am No Longer a Conservative"--that assaulted "Washington conservatism" for representing "Wall Street, Big Energy, multinational corporations, the Military-Industrial Complex, the Religious Right, the Market Extremist think-tanks and the Rush Limbaugh Axis." Phillips called for supporting "Democratic retention of at least the Senate."
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If you go far enough to the right or the left you end up where the fringe elements co-exist.
What made his Iraq War stance "kooky?"
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Putting aside the long history of xenophobia in Pat's past, let's evalutate how we got to a place that Pat can prophetically call the "Day of Reckoning."
Could the Republican Big Immigration Con" that gave amnesty to 3 million illegals and did nothing to enforce the immigration laws while passing trade deals that amounted to little more that public advertisements for the poor south of the border to come to America for a new economic reality.
This new economics encouraged by the solicitation of millions of vulnerable illegal immigrants, along with the outsoursing of manufacturing industries to China, and third world nations filled with cheap labor has managed to devaluate American labor, dessimate labor unions, and create a underground society that may not vote, and must live outside the law.
Who benefits from this policy? Small Business? Some, certainly, but who makes the most of this situation?? I don't think we need to be told that corporate America, our new government of corporate cronies, our new corporate media moguls whom makes race the issue, and not cheap labor, and human exploitation instead.
Cesar Chavez made the answer simple, and nothing has changed! Unionize any immigrant that would wish to stay in America to work. If a immigrant has no union credentials while on the job that would be a crime to the employer, and the immigrant. No need for new government bureacracy, no need for fenses, no need to capture, and deport millions of immigrants.
But the Republicans can't have strong unions, healthy labor, and a progressive middle class while they gouge our government with privatization, exploit cheap labor, disenfranchise voters, and dissolve union strength to nothing.
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
JT, I've got to give you a little salute here. As wacky as some of your views are, you do seem to put in some labor in arriving at them.
You're definitely in a different class than the dittobots who show up here with only the most rudimentary GOP talking points. Just the varied sources you cite, and the fact that you demonstrate you've actually sometimes read the links, I can't accuse you of the laziness that so many are guilty of.
At other times, you're another ridiculous wingnut, but at your best, you actually show the kind of initiative that makes it difficult to believe you're an actual conservative rather than an aspiring parodist.
JusticeTroll may do a lot of research and put a lot of effort into his posts, but he's still on the wrong side of virtually every issue.
At other times, you're another ridiculous wingnut, but at your best, you actually show the kind of initiative that makes it difficult to believe you're an actual conservative rather than an aspiring parodist.
I am simply a seeker of truth -
If you are a seeker of truth, expand your search. Its out there, but you aren't seeing anything you don't already want to.
Kevin Phillips is a kooky far right winger?
He's as about as staid and 'slightly right of center' old school conservative as they come!
Go read American Theocracy...it's a slog in places (Philips is a historian, and he writes like an academic) but is a stunning indictment of the Repubnlican party, and how far they've strayed from their conservative roots.
Kevin Phillips has not been a conservative since the Nixon years. (It would be like calling David Horowitz a lefty!)
"Kevin Phillips has not been a conservative since the Nixon years. (It would be like calling David Horowitz a lefty!)"
Ok, I get it now, you've conflated conservatism with the fascism associated with modern-day Republicans. Kevin Phillips has been a conservative, in that he favors a small government and (along that line) minimal government intervention in domestic and foreign affairs. What the Republicans believe in now is quite different: a merger of political and corporate power, increasing the power of the executive branch, extreme militarization, and restricting civil rights.
Because Pat makes a few valid points from time to time. Pat may or not be a racist, but we ARE being invaded from the southern border and OUR elected leaders won't do anything about it. Pat is completely correct.
Pat does occasionally make valid points, but no rational person could possibly argue that he is not a racist. He has a decades long list of public and published statements, including the one this article is about, that are clearly racist.
The border issue is a valid point - but Pat is simply the wrong messenger. Remember that Pat left the Republican party a long time ago and ventured off into his own political organization.
I do not consider Pat a conservative anymore.
That's kind of weird. What does it matter if he is a bonafide conservative or not? I have noticed many conservatives in here that particularly mention remarks similar to that when addressing the mmfa article.
Why does it matter to you guys so much whether the argument at hand comes from a "true" conservative or not? Just wondering.
He sounds right on to me. i haven't the time orinclination to research his statistics but if they're correct I'd say pat's right on the money.
I think if Buchanan could avoid couching the situation in a racial way, he would be more well received.
This isn't so much about race or ethnicity, but about culture. We have certain histrorical and ideological beliefs as Americans (regardless of black, white, latino and/or asian decent) that may be smothered by an influx of people who do not necessarily share those same ideals, but may be able to use democracy itself as a tool of its own destruction.
I would be much more comfortable with Buchanan's argument if he would avoid unnecessarily and gratuitously bringing race into the discussion. He is only shooting himself in the foot when he does that.
Only in wingnut land is being American associated with the color of your skin, and not by the ideals you believe in as a nation. That's one Irishman who's ancestors should have never left the potato patch.
If America is committing suicide and is going nuts, then......hmmm.... what is there going to be to inherit?
Pat doesn't think this stuff out, does he?
that may be so Snoopy, but you might notice that the majority of anti-american peoples are of similar pigmentation.
... you might notice that the majority of anti-american peoples are of similar pigmentation.
That's true, those anti-American neocons do tend to be a pretty pasty white.
I think that you see the world in negative exposure.
Does that mean he looks at you and sees a decent, respectable human being?
You're a bigot!!!!11111
Pat is that you? Oh no it's just just another winger spouting more racist non-sense
I fail to see how wanting to live in America, not Mexico, China or anywhere else makes me a racist, bigot or any other label you'd choose to throw out there. If I wanted to live in Mexico I'd MOVE THERE!
Why not take it to the extreme? Open up the door to your home and let 2 or 3 people move in. You won't? Why not? Are you a racist or bigot?
Probably not. You probably just want to live in your own house
I fail to see how wanting to live in America, not Mexico, China or anywhere else makes me a racist, bigot or any other label you'd choose to throw out there. If I wanted to live in Mexico I'd MOVE THERE! Why not take it to the extreme? Open up the door to your home and let 2 or 3 people move in. You won't? Why not? Are you a racist or bigot? Probably not. You probably just want to live in your own house
Your statement is a racist stupid testament to ignorance.
What is America and what is America made up of?. Only white folks? I'm sure YOUR America is white and looks like you but for those of us who live in the real world it's a blend of people, difference races and cultures. Notice I said BLEND! No one is asking you to live in Mexico and I'm sure you made an effort to live among people who look, act and feel just like to AND you can continue to do so.
That bullsh*t about opening your home is too stupid to answer. Last time I check there was not a group of Latinos standing outside homes trying to get in. You sound like those old white southerners who said the same thing about black folks living in their neighborhood.
Start by having and intelligent discussion regarding immigration and maybe someone will listen. Keep making those stupid, senseless remarks and you will continue to be ignored or called racists which your statements indicate you are.
Actually i would agree with what Lolo said, you may also call me a rascist or bigot, but that is now a formality among us. i would not expect anything less, Any opinion that does not conform with your view on African Americans is "Rascist".
you may also call me a rascist or bigot
No I 'd call you to dumb to breath.
You are definitly a bigot and a racist not to mention dumb as a post. Pearlene is absolutly correct and as soon as you start talking about Americans in the context of the color of their skin, as noted by an earlier poster, you have gone off the rails. Only racists and morons could possibly take it seriously
No, FF, anyone who groups people's personality traits or mental capacity based on their race is a racist.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Let me simply say that you are wrong about me.
Not based on your posts he isnt
So far Pearlene, you are the only one calling me a racist. Perhaps others are simply holding back...or perhaps your judgement is clouded?
Perhaps you'd like to be very specific as to what it was specifically that I said that is racist?
Hey Lolo,
You’re analogy is ridiculous, open your house and let 2-3 of them in? Maybe, the Indians should have consider that when the saw the great hordes coming toward them from the sea with their strange ways and customs. This country was built by immigrants those that came voluntarily and those that were or forced or coerced. My issues on controlled immigration are well known by the regulars here. I believe you must monitor population growth. Doing so is a necessity to plan for the needs of a nation, and this requires careful monitoring and control of immigration. It should have absolutely nothing to do with race. I take issue when the immigration discussion veers off into this racistville and the real talks turn to disparaging all those brown-people swarming and taking over the White man’s land. That’s pure BS and most reasonable people agree that it is. Illegal immigration is a real concern, but for me it has nothing to do with the color of a person’s skin or native language. I would feel the same way if the illegals were coming from New Guinea of Great Britain. Of course the racist boy that’s gracing MMFA with his presence feels differently. Poor racist boy.It's intersting that you chose the Indians for an analogy. You couldn't have picked a BETTER anaolgy for me. I wonder how the indians would have faired had they been capable of securing their borders? And if they had been capable, what would have happened if they'd taken their security seriously? Could you have picked a better example to promote border security?
All that aside...who cares about the Indians? What I mean by that is, what happened hundreds of years ago is not relevant to our situation today(other then the points which I already made above).
lastly, I'm not sure who the "racist-boy" is that you're referring to but I've never made this about skin color. There is an important distinction to be made between culture and color. I'm looking to live in American culture. Not Mexican, Korean, European, or whatever. If that makes me a racist in your eyes or the eyes or others I see that as unfortunate but I would disagree.
No that makes you a Xenophobe. Racist Boy is the FlimFlam guy.
Pat is saying that AMERICANS of different RACIAL groups are reproducing more than WHITES. Who says they are substituting THEIR culture for what is AMERICAN? You dont even address that because you dont care. They arent white, they arent of European descent so THEY are bad for America to you. I mean Europe isnt the US either. Our culture is multi ethnic and has been from the beggining. What is AMERICAN is respect for individual rights, for our constitution. As for culture we are a young country and much of it was imported from many places our culture is eclectic but YOU put a higher value on that part imported from the WHITE European countries. Your bigotry is sad.
If you're talking to me SOLON I"ve made it very clear that I don't care what color we're talking about. I don't care if it's French, German, British, Spanish, Mexican, Japaneese, etc. My point is a cultural point. Not a color point. if this doesn't clear up any misunderstanding we might be having then I'll just say you're entitled to your opinion and leave it at that.
Fin,
Please define what it means to be "anti-American." Does anti-American mean seeing your neighbor as less than equal to you because of trait they were born with? Our Founding Fathers (and subsequent Constitutional amendments) thought we were "all created equal" Does it mean that we as a country don't look as MLK had hoped at the "content of people's character," but rather their pigment? Does being "anti-American" mean that not everyone is entitled to the same rights as you are?
Anti-American means that you're not grateful to be here and to be part of this country. It means you bad mouth this country and ask for rights and services to which you are not entitled. If you think that Europe or Norway or some other country is better then the U.S. and that we should be more like those counctires(or pick your own country) then you may be anti-american. Just a few examples. Has nothing to do with color or ethnicity. Nothing.
My sentiments exactly. what LOLO said.
Your description sounds a lot like the actions and sentiments of the boards of directors of many major corporations. I guess since they are largely staffed by white men, Farfalle's pigmentation comment applies.
LOLO,
I don't disagree with you, but read the rest of Fin's posts and tell me he doesn't think its about race.
Fin's posts have a racial aspect. Is he a racist? I can't look into his heart and neither can you but please don't equate his beliefs with my own. Our posts are more different then similar
I could care less what color people come here as long as they're decent people who want to be American (temporary workers excluded ofcourse). And as long as we know who they are.
LOLO,
I am not equating the two of you, but I addressed the racial element question to him and you answered. I have not seen anything in your posts that would rise to the level of his.
You're partner here that keeps high fiving you is RACIST BOY.
The fact that i think africans are currently inferior in thair average levels of intellect does not make me a rascist, If it does by definition that the meaning of the word is itself twisted and much too vague.
You really should to stop harping on the intelligence point since your posts certainly do nothing to strengthen your argument about the existence of a superior "white" intellect. Or maybe your the exception to the rule huh?.
So, how do you propose fixing the problem FF?
I propose that the African American community can first of all stop denying everything that is "white", Average blacks believe that being erudite and eloquent is a characteristics of the oppressive whites, and thus they avoid becoming these things and discourage others of their community by ostracizing them with titles such as white man's negro or something along those lines. The African Americans can also stop with the wild accusations of racism, discrimination and inequality, face it, we are at a point were people are no longer blatantly discriminated against, and by the way, to those of you who are convinced that whites are the only ones with the capability for racism you are gravely mistaken. The African American community should encourage education and success, the popular mainstream black media should be unsupported by the African American community (as well as the whites), it is encouraging behaviors and attitudes that are in no way beneficial. African Americans should also drop old customs about their diets, they should eat more healthily, rather than some of that renown "cuisine" as Pearlene called it. They aught to embrace culture and education rather than counterculture and violence. More Africans should move into rural areas, they are much to concentrated in urban jungles. Basically the point is they should get over the past and move on with the future. The native Americans did and so did the Slavonic peoples (who used to be the most common slaves before the expansion of the ottoman Turks). It is unfortunate what happened, but once there was a future for black America not long ago, and this future has been tarnished to so it is unrecognizable.
Amazing, are all people broad stereotypes to you, FF?
Steroetypes often represent the majority, you cannot deny this.
Yes, I can and this country, maybe unlike where you are from, believes in the INDIVIDUAL!
No I didnt notice that but I did notice that most of the bigots and astonishingly ignorant posters are conservatives like YOU.
Well, Pat...white people just need to breed more. Mega-procreation...that's the answer!
Let's make porn mandatory in every household to encourage every married couple to...you know, procreate.
We could outlaw breeding by foreigners and liberals, too.
You just have to start thinking outside the box, Pat.
Hey, maybe we could have liberals sew the star of L on their clothing so we can recognize them in public. And instead of jails, we could just build giant "showers" with coal powered ovens - to heat the water, of course (wink wink nudge nudge). Just think what a boon for the railroad industry that will be!
He's 1/4 Irish by ancestry. And one quarter Scotts-Irish and a half German. 1/2 is more than 1/4.
That still doesn’t erase the fact he identifies himself as Irish. He’s definitely not a WASP, that’s for sure. And with the name Buchanan I’m sure he would have been ostracized by those places with signs saying “No Irish Allowed” back in the day. Technically speaking, I have Anglo-Saxon and Native American blood in my gene pool, but I’m still a black man.
That still doesn’t erase the fact he identifies himself as Irish.
At one time he did indicate he was Irish, often tacitly, by not saying he isn't. Now he says he's Scotts-Irish. Why doesn't he say "I'm German.”?, would be a good question---perhaps the talk show producers want to make the Irish look bad and to preemptively protect Germans from such damage. And he went along for business reasons, i.e. to be invited back on. There are more Americans of German ancestry in this country than Irish and the’re better situated economically and socially.
And with the name Buchanan I’m sure he would have been ostracized by those places with signs saying “No Irish Allowed” back in the day.
While there are names that are not Gaelic in origin which, in America, are considered Irish like Fitzgerald, there are also names which are Gaelic in origin which are not considered Irish here. Buchanan is in origin Scottish, and is considered so here .The Buchanans “back in the day” would be mightily insulted if you tried to tell them otherwise.
Technically speaking, I have Anglo-Saxon and Native American blood in my gene pool, but I’m still a black man.
To be similar, I’d have to be blaming you for the faults of the Anglo-Saxons, assuming you’re the same or less Anglo-Saxon as Buchanan is Irish (one quarter).
Well Irony, You got it right on the money, there is no doubt that whites are reproducing less, and in order to maintain our genetic competitivness, whites do need to breed a tad more. I do not Know about you Irony, but i do not think that pornography is procreation-inspiring. We could outlaw(limit) breeding by other non-whites, but that really isn't fair, the best thing to do would be to actually procreate more!
Is this where you are, Irony, "outside the box"? It seems that Pat should decline your invitation there, it is a place of blatant exhageration, Pat B. would be fully Irish and Shannity would actually be disliked in such a realm.
"whites are reproducing less, and in order to maintain our genetic competitivness, whites do need to breed a tad more"
Why? No one told me that there was some sort of competition between the races to see who could produce the most people. Do you know something the rest of us don't?
You may not be aware of the natural world around us, but each individual specie, and within it each individual is competing against the others for domminance and survival. Human races are like different specie. they compete for domination. Each race is like a male seeking to expand his gene pool.
No they isn't more than one human spcies. There is but one human species and a myriad of ethnic groups and of course some of those ethnic groups share similar physical characteristics. You are living in the dark ages man! Pick up a science book.
I meant to say there isn't more than one human species.
And exactly what species should I classify a eugenecist white supremacist idiot like you in?
As self aware and intelligent creatures we can control how we respond to the instincts and drives that biology places upon us. This means that we can choose to breed for quality of life rather than quantity. Any idiot can go out and spread his seed willy nilly if sheer numbers is all you are after. Intelligent reproduction that guarantees a quality of life for future generations is a much smarter strategy.
As for your claptrap about racial competition, all races of homo sapiens are merely sub-classifications within the species of a whole with extremely minor differences among them. Your ideology degrades humanity to nothing more than different breeds of dogs seeking to dominate the other breeds through numbers.
"Human races are like different specie. they compete for domination. Each race is like a male seeking to expand his gene pool."
SERIOUSLY? Is your family all English or all Irish or all German or are those not "races" to you? What do you think of bi-racial couples.
Honestly, unless that post was satire, that was one of the sickest things I have ever read. Do you have rankings for these races too since they all are striving to expand their gene pools?
You're so ignorant I'm seriously pitying you at work. You deserve pity. There is only one race, the human race. Scientifically speaking the only thing that separates us is the color of our skin. Our body functions the same. Culture is what makes us behave differently and culture can be changed. You believe America will be better if it has more whites. I believe America will be better if its citizens understand and respect our democratic process and laws, regardless if its white, black or hispanic. Culture not race. Culture. Why don't you put down Mein Kemp and step into the 21st Century with the rest of us loony libs, because the only one who seems loony right now is you. I called you a clown in another post and I apologize. I thought you were ignorant, but I see now you seriously need prayer.
May God Bless You
PS Merry Christmas.
For all of those of you incapable of reading (Lynn, Friedbergboy & august heat), I used the comparison between Human races and competing species as a METAPHOR. "Is your family all English or all Irish or all German or are those not "races" to you? What do you think of bi-racial couples. Do you have rankings for these races too since they all are striving to expand their gene pools?"-FreidbergboyActually my family is nearly all one race. Bi-racial couples are muddying their gene pool, but i suppose you cannot get between the attraction of two people for each other. I think that each individual race has an equal right to seek domination.August heat, I likewise agree that culture is what identifies Americans, race is an issue separate from that. (by the way it is Mien Kampf), Your apology is accepted while your pity may go there where i am not. And a merry Christmas to you too.
Moonbatyoubet, the fact that i may be interested in eugenics says nothing, i am just interested. this is that is exactly what the white race is doing, breeding for quality, but as the other races breed for quantity i fear for the existence of the white race in the future. Yet it is true that of the white populations keep reproducing with quality of life in mind there will not be much of the white race left to reproduce, those whites that choose quality are typically more intelligent and more successful (thus they have positive eugenics), while those whites that reproduce more are usually not so, this is a trend that may lead to the [genetically] poor specimens representing the white race while the white's with positive eugenics disappear. My ideology regards the situation from a naturalist prospective.
Fin, eugenics is racist pseudo-science, and you are a fool. Just your short explanation highlights that. You assume that affluence and availability to higher education (those whites who procreate less) as well as poverty and hardship (those whites who procreate more) are due to some sort of genetic disparity. That is a idiotic notion, and you would fail biology 101 with that theory, let alone the rest of eugenics' stupid ideology.
You cannot however dismiss those who have an interest in eugenics as rascist , and that is my main point. About the rest that was not what i said nor was it what i meant. I was mirroring a previous poster's comments.
Yes you can. Eugenics is psuedoscience for racists. Rent a clue
"Bi-racial couples are muddying their gene pool, but i suppose you cannot get between the attraction of two people for each other." FF
Ok, so love isn't enough?
If you are just talking metaphors, why did you bring up racial domination again?
for all of the moronic posters who do not seeem to understand, I was using metaphor ONLY about the comparison of the races to individual species.
And what i said about love and race was that one cannot get between two people's attraction for one another, I am sorry i have to translate all i say to an imbecile such as yourself, you should really try to catch things the first time they come around.
You talked about bi-racial couples "muddying" the gene pool. Please explain that. If I am an imbecile, what are you?
By muddying the gene pool i mean that the gene pool is no longer mostly homogenous, rather there are profoundly different racial traits all mixed up. you are stereotyping all those with an interest in eugenics as racist.
FF,
The gene pool has never been homogeneous. I am not classifying anyone but you as a racist. Your stereotypes confirm that.
I dont know if you are a liar or just REALLY stupid. Your racist tripe and white supremist BS belongs in the garbage bin of history. Feel free to iron your sheets for your next meeting but we really arent interested in such garbage.
Wow, that was really dumb. There is little genetic difference between the races. That we are obviously one species is axiomatic. Give up the white Supremist BS. Its insulting and embarassing
Is that you John Gibson?
Or we could start thinking "inside the box" by just putting up a fence or wall and guarding it in an attempt to slow and keep out the illegally invading parasites, just like every other nation does. And if found, deport those law breakers back to their country of origin. Its a start and inside the realm of logical thinking.
Yeah, that berlin wall was a real success. So were the russian check points. Great idea, dave!
BTW, besides china, israel and what's left of russia, what other countries have a wall like you claim?
China and Russia are being invaded by illegals? Or anybody? Are there 500,000 to 1m illegals in Moscow? And if found to be there illegally, how much aid do they get? You don't think that a guarded fence would slow the illegals? Common sense, if you make it harder for them to get here, it will slow the flow.
Just admit it, you only want a wall on the southern border. You couldn't care less if anyone crosses from the canadian border because they are more likely to be white.
And common sense says walls aren't effective. We already have walls, those locations don't really see that significant reduction you crave. And my other examples are further proof, you just didn't want to see it.
The southern border is where they are coming from. If the northern border leaked as much, I'd put one there as well. We have no walls anywhere, we have checkpoints. Walls work, and if you guard them with machine guns they work even better. And once again, is Russia being invaded? Nope. IMO, its because they take their borders seriously.
see below, your argument was just blown out of the water!
There's no need for a wall on the Northern border and there's a difference in size between the two borders that some might consider important. I guess I've missed the millions of illegal Canadian immigrants as well.
Speaking of China, isn't this interesting?
Ethnic groups: Han Chinese 91.9%, Zhuang, Uygur, Hui, Yi, Tibetan, Miao, Manchu, Mongol, Buyi, Korean, and other nationalities 8.1%
The government has struggled to: (a) sustain adequate job growth for tens of millions of workers laid off from state-owned enterprises, migrants, and new entrants to the work force; (b) reduce corruption and other economic crimes; and (c) contain environmental damage and social strife related to the economy's rapid transformation. From 100 million to 150 million surplus rural workers are adrift between the villages and the cities, many subsisting through part-time, low-paying jobs
refugees (country of origin): 300,897 (Vietnam), estimated 30,000-50,000 (North Korea)
China seeks to stem illegal migration of North Koreans;
This was all courtesy of the CIA world fact book. Interesting, here we have China, which I am sure you will agree is a more militant, border controlling, citizen scrutinizing nation than we are, and they still have 8% of their population consisting of illegal immigrants (in chinese population that's about 200 million!). And you think we can do better than that?
If I get your post right, China has 330,000 from Viet Nam and N Korea. Hell, NY has more illegals than that, according to Hillary. Migrant workers are not the same as illegal aliens. And in a word, YES, I think the US can do better if they try. Plus, you forgot to include how much health care those illegals in China get. And at least China is trying to slow the flow. We simply are not. My point still stands.
Totally missed it, there are half a million refugees, but an additional 200 million illegal immigrants from neighboring coutries. And the only one they want to slow down are the ones from North Korea. Sounds familiar, eh?
I just have to laugh out loud at this point that you think a silly little wall will be more effective than the Chinese army and police force. Gotta hand it to ya though, you are persistant in that failed belief.
So what would you do to curb the invasion? Nothing? Let them in freely? Give them benefits once here? Driver's licenses? White collar union job? If we simply do nothing, they will continue to come over in mass, and Pat's notion is correct.
I like the wall approach. Walls do work. Slows the invasion, which you cannot dispute, and give them back to their country of origin. Sound fair?
Pat's just afraid of becoming a minority. Having personally experienced a lot of these illegals, I can tell you that most just come to make a few bucks and then actually do return home because their money goes a lot farther living in mexico. This "illegal" stamp is nothing more than cannon fodder to rile up the masses. Fix the dang problems with the entry process and let the ones who want to otherwise come here legally just to work and return do so. If we can figure out if someone is on the no fly list with just the click of a button, we sure as heck can improve our border controls and admittance policies to do better than a 7 year average wait limit.
You make a fair statement. I have no problem with "streamlining" the process so that the ones who want to enter here legally can do so. The only problem I was ever having was with the ones who enter here illegally, stay here, bring their families, and get whatever benefits they can, and charge me for it. That needs to be fixed as well. There should be a "ship back upon sight" clause for them. We cannot afford that type of benefit for illegals.
I would be more willing to support a wall if republicans in congress would consider my proposal, but their steadfast refusal to focus on just a wall and nothing else is what is driving my desire to let them fail. They may not be racist, but to take the stance they are sure makes them look otherwise.
What was your proposal, other than to make the process easier? You have my Conservative ears open.
If I were making the proposal, I would bundle my idea in with the wall. Propose streamlining the process with a similar way they do the airport checking, and just have two questions - do you want to come and work and return (or go to college and return) or immigrate here as an american citizen. The workers and students get to come in and be required to check in with the local police station of the area they are going to work. The ones who want to become a citizen pay the fees up front and get their documentation and swearing in date, they show up at the required location.
Anyone who doesn't pass the muster on the list can pay a fee for the feds to research them to determine if they are clean, they would not be allowed in until the paperwork comes back.
Criminals would automatically be taken under custody and handed over to the authorities in question.
I can garantee you that anyone who sells the wall with this kind of added package will get majority support from both parties.
I actually like your idea.
Sounds to me like your giving away citizenship awful cheap. Cmon over, fill out a few forms, raise your hand. Congrats! Your in the club...
It's just so...simple minded.
How did you earn yours?
By being born here.
That's so simple-minded.
is it? Funny thing about your point is that my "simple-minded" reason for being a citizen isn't some half-baked solution for solving a problem. It's a right afforded by our constitution. I guess the constitution is what you're calling simple-minded. Might want to rethink that.
LOLO,
Relax, man can you not take the same level of criticism you dole out? Of course its wonderful that you were lucky enough to be born here. Congrats!
OK. I'll try to relax. But at least make it a fair criticism. I'm just a tad fed up with the open-border crowd. If you don't think we should attempt to secure our borders I just don't have any patience for that and there ain't much room for a discussion. If you think illegals should have Driver's licenses, public benefits, etc, I have no patience for that.
We could debate all day long about the best way to go about this security. but don't (this isn't directed at you Fre) call me a racist or whatever because I don't want to live in Mexico.
LOLO,
I apologize if offense was taken. I was just quoting what you had said to Snoop and Dave. The ironic thing to me is the process you described is exactly how my ancestors became citizens.
I am not a part of the "open border" crowd, but I do think Buchannan's rhetoric, and that of the FF poster on this board are over the top, and frankly hurt any chances for reasonable debate.
When you go as far as FF has with his "africans currently have lower intellect" and talk about "bi-racial couples muddying the gene pools," etc., you destroy any chance of constructive dialogue. I think Buchannan does the same thing with his quotes.
I agree that the messengers you mentioned as well as their messages may not be conduscive to reasoned debate.
Look, we all can argue endlessly on the immigration issue as a whole, but the wall thing is an insanely stupid idea. It would never work in a million years. It is impractical in a hundred different ways. It would be devatstating to the ecosystems in the regions. It would be monumentally expensive, time consuming, and resource intensive, and it just flat out wouldn't work. How high would it be? Do you think there wouldn't be tunnels under it in a hundred different spots? Do you think that it couldn't be scaled or that a ladder 1 foot higher than the wall would not be built? DO you realize the mileage of our border and how long this wall would be? Come on. If you are even close to a thinking person, you have to admit that the wall is a complete fantasy.
On a side note, I love Al Franken's line about what Reagan would say about the wall, "Mr. Gorbechov, help me build this wall."
Then I'll put it to you, Jawill. What would be better and more cost effective? A Wall or perhaps snipers? Suggestions other than letting them in unimpeaded would be appreciated.
The only way to slow immigration is to make doing so not beneficial. If illegals were not given jobs and were required by businesses to have valid credentials before employing them, then illegal immigration would slow to a trickle, with no wall. It's akin to the so-called War on Drugs,the only way to "win" that war would be to make drugs ineffective (not gonna happen). Make the jobs go away and they would have no reason to come.
I couldn't agree with you more. I have no problem with fining or arresting the employer who hires them. I also have no problem with voting against the nitwit politician (Spitzer comes to mind) who wishes to grant them legal documentation. In my own Conservative opioion, they don't belong here, they don't deserve a job, and their relatives don't get to stay because we are simply too lazy to to deport them.
Hey, don't get all snippy on me. I made it clear in my first sentence that I was not commenting on the immigration issue as a whole. Don't put words in my mouth that if I think the all-important wall is a wildly impractical pipe dream, I automatically love illegal immigration and would do nothing to stop it. If you have any common sense, you have to admit that the wall is a stupid idea.
That said, my opinion is that a three-pronged approach is the best. 1. We hire a hell of a lot more border agents, inspectors, and investigators. 2. We crack down hard on businesses that hire illegal workers and work on an update to migrant worker permits. 3. (and most important) we work hard to help increase the socioeconomic standards in Latin America. Like it or not, there is no strategy on earth that will keep everybody out if they are so desperate to come in to escape the squalor and certain death from their own country.
"Having personally experienced a lot of these illegals, I can tell you that most just come to make a few bucks and then actually do return home because their money goes a lot farther living in mexico." - How many of the estimated 15-20 million people who are in the country illegally have you "personally experienced"? What qualiifies as "alot"? Can you provide data to support what seems to be an anecdotal generalization?
This "illegal" stamp is nothing more than cannon fodder to rile up the masses. - I was under the impression the "illegal" referred to ones immigration status? If I am in a country with permission, I am there legally. If I am in a country without permission, I am there illegally. I don't understand why the United States is the only country that seems to have to justify why unregulated immigration is a bad thing.
The one thing the rulers of this country could always depend on to split the common mans struggle for a better life has been color. He used the rational that native peoples were savages which made it easier to justify the war to steal their land,Africans were inferior and savage and that justified their enslavement, to rob Mexico of the Southwest and west similiar rationals were used as were used in our invasion and occupation of the Puerto Rico, and the Phillipines. Divide and conquer is the mans strategy and using color to divide us has always worked in America which has never dealt with its "white supremacist" ideology. Remember "Manifest Destiny"? MD was all about white supremacy.Here's a thought how about looking at this immigration issue from the other side. Your a farmer in Mexico growing corn that is not subsidized by your govt., you bring your goods to market and have to compete against North American farmers recieving hjuge subsidies from their govt causing their crops to sell for less thus putiing you out of business. not only that but the IMF and World Bank is raping your country of its natural resources and has made your country dismantle safety net programs that would ordinarly soften the blow and all of this in the name of this phony slogan of "Free Trade." You leave your family to find work to help support your family regardless of borders, borders that historically have allowed passage and once was yours. We have to find ways to live together. There is but one race, the human race and no matter how high you build your F###ing fence it will not solve this issue. We financed,armed ,sponsored death squads and basically proped up repressive govt.'s in Mexico and South and Central Americas and we enjoyed the cheap goods all the while turing our backs to the oppresion ,murder and poverty our policies were causing. We squeezed every drop of profit we could from these poor people,as it allowed us to pursue our dreams here. You bigots and nationalist in a word "white chauvinist"(look it up)make me sick with your talk of invasion as your govt. in your name is and has robbed and raped peopl of color throughout its whole history. America has always had this duality of what it says it stands for and what it actually does, and the question of color has been at hub of this duality. Someone posted earlier about the similarity of the arguments used about the undocumented today were the same as those used against afro-Americans yesterday, I agree. The question of color and class is never far away and has always been used by the rulers of this country to keep us divided and fighting each other instead of seeing our common interest and humanirty. Sorry I took so long to say this but until we release we cannot save our humanity by denying it to others(C'mon denying medical care to the undocumented) I cannot have true freedom as long as my foot in on your neck and vice or versa. There is no master race. Those who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
I see 8% immigrants. Every one of those is illegal? Me thinks your math is fuzzy. People are trying to get into China unless they're coming from someplace even worse, i.e., North Korea. You could take every North Korean and put him/her in China right now and it wouldn't represnt the statistical change in population that we are experiencing here. Cmon Snoopy. Do better.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the Berlin wall wasn't there to keep people out. Maybe I'm wrong but I just don't recall millions of East German hopefuls being turned away at the gates...
I do recall people being shot for leaving...
The key point here is that every country has a right and frankly, a duty, to protect it's borders. It's not racist or xenophobic. It's smart and necesary public policy. If you can't admit to at least this much welcome to the outer limits.
The Berlin wall was built to keep people IN, not OUT. The barbed wire was aimed at East Germany's own citizens. Its relevance to this discussion escapes me.
You gotta admire ol' Buchanan: even when his views are vile and outdated, he doesn't use code language to hide his racism and xenophobia. I actually have more respect for someone like Buchanan than O'Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, etc., who are too p*ssy to lay their cards completely on the table for everyone to see. You'll never hear those pundits say such things as Buchanan, even when many of them share his point-of-view. And when they do speak openly, they'll clean it up to the point where their stances are extremely vague to those aren’t hip to their agenda.
Buchanan's racism is so well-known now, even when he says things such as this, it doesn't bother me as much as it should. He reminds me of those old school racists that I grew up with in the South, those who are so set in their ways, that you can't help but have sympathy for them. And for an Irishman to spout such xenophobia is equally disturbing. Then again, Gore Vidal didn’t coin the phrase United States of Amnesia for nothing.
And for an Irishman to spout such xenophobia is equally disturbing.
What county is he from?
He reminds me of those old school racists that I grew up with in the South,..
He was born and raised below the Mason-Dixon line. He is a Southerner and he self identifies as one.
Are you sure about Buchanan being a Southerner? I thought he was born and raised in Washington, DC. I never heard that he self-identified himself as a Southerner. I do know that he says he had ancestors who fought in the Civil War (and you can imagine which side they fought on), but that’s about it. Also, what is the point you're trying to make in the first question you're asking me?
Well, Frank did say, "below the Mason-Dixon line", but as anyone from Maryland will tell you, Maryland is not a Southern state and the M-D line is not the line between the north and the south. If anything, the Potomac is a much more appropriate border.
An Irish Americans' vote counts the same as anyone else's. I like the politics of addition. You win more elections that way. The electoral stakes are too high for bigotry of this kind.
P,
The truth is for Pat and his kind time is running out. They're a dying breed, so Pat's rhetoric will have little effect beyond entertaining the wingers whose time will soon pass as well. Pat's afraid because he can't look at a brown-black face and imagine that save for a few minor and superficial characteristics that those people are just like him, a human being with the same universal needs and desires of all human beings. It’s sad. Pat rarely makes me mad anymore. At best I find him hilarious and at worst I just feel sorry for the pathetic old dinosaur fearing for the end of his species. That’s the irony Pat belongs to a dying breed of human beings that have elected to be bigots.Hey, Lynn, good to see you. Honestly, I think the greatest lie involving race is that there is such a thing as a "white" race to begin with. I know people from various parts of Europe, I know people of mixed ethnic descent from Europe, but the idea of being "white" is a non-identity, an identity of negation defined only by what it opposes and excludes: racial minorities. There is no genetic or cultural substance to being "white." What values define "white" people vis a vis any other race? What is the essence of being "white" other than some vague appeal to being the cultural norm, a nebulous blob of humanity that's somehow "not different" by the color of their skin and language? I'm fairly convinced that in order to get past racism in this country, folks like Buchanan have to get past this monolithic, homogenous notion of "whiteness" as an abstract, empty category of identification. It doesn't mean anything and it only exists as a referent by which to judge and exclude other "races" and cultures as different and inferior. But people like Buchanan can't do that because getting rid of "whiteness" means revamping the entire status-quo where whites lose their privileges. There's no shame in being of European descent, but when people are completely out of touch with their ethnic roots and family heritage and can only cling to something as vague as "white" to describe who they are, what they believe, and where they come from, it's no wonder "white" folks find themselves grasping at vague stereotypes about other people in order to articulate how these Others are different from themselves. Race is a biological and cultural fiction that's a result of pseudo-science in the 18th and 19th centuries, but RACISM is a social reality. America's racist categories of ordering people’s cultures and nationalities have produced diasporas that share a common legacy of struggle and discrimination. "Hispanic" isn't a race either; it's a linguistic category that's a result of Spanish colonialism. There are literally hundreds of peoples, languages, cultures, and dozens of nations over two continents that are now grouped under that term. If you were to judge by appearances, you'd probably think a Cuban, a Dominican, a Mexican Mestizos, and an Argentine were very different races indeed. Native people also stretched across those two continents, with originally hundreds and hundreds of different and unique languages, cultures nations, and religions. The irony of race relations in this country is that you could make a pretty good historical and sociological case (as a number of good scholars have, notably Stephen Steinberg, Adolph Reed, Jr., Matthew Frye Jacobson, etc.) that the inclusion of ethnic immigrant groups into "white" culture happened in response to concern about the organization of black resistance to discrimination throughout the past century. The Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Jews were not considered "white" until very recent points in history and may not be considered such among some older members of our society today. The acceptance of one group often had something to do with the willful exclusion of another group -- all the groups that become "model minorities" do so in part as an example to contrast with what we view as the continuing cultural failure or agitation of other minority groups. Asian-Americans occupy the borderline between race and acceptance in America today. Quite obviously, they cannot be fully accepted as "white" racially if studies reveal anything, but they've replaced Eastern European Jews as the new "model minority" on the border of acceptance in primarily "white" academic and professional endeavors. Asian-Americans have found increasing acceptance in some aspects of American life while still being regarded as fundamentally exotic and Other culturally, a partial integration that has taken place largely in the last 30 years and whose start roughly coincided with the more threatening expressions of racial difference found in black radicalism and the black power movement of the 1960s and 1970s as well as the structural demands of the mainstream civil rights movement. Asians, rightly or wrongly, were perceived as not agitating for their place and not as "troublemakers" and were thus contrasted in the public mind with "angry" black activists.
Damn, I hate when it doesn't add the spaces between my paragraphs! Sorry about that!
He proceeds to claim that "[t]he American majority is not reproducing itself. ... Forty-five million of its young have been destroyed in the womb since Roe v. Wade, as Asian, African, and Latin American children come to inherit the estate the lost generation of American children never got to see."
Translation in conservative speech, “We need more white folks, them brown folks are taking over”. "Those brown and black folks are going to take this country away from us white folks".
Buchanan asserted: "You've got a wholesale invasion, the greatest invasion in human history, coming across your southern border, changing the composition and character of your country. You've got the melting pot that once welded us all together, which has broken down."
Translation in conservative speech, “We got to many damn brown folks coming into our country and not doing exactly what we want them to. It was OK that they were illegal when they knew there place but now they’re out there demanding things”.
"If we do not put a fence on that border ...you're going to have 100 million Hispanics in the country, most of them new immigrants from Mexico, which believes that belongs to them. What's going to happen to us, Sean, in my judgment, is what is happening right now: We are Balkanizing. We are dividing and separating from one another politically, morally -- on issues like abortion or Terri Schiavo -- racially and ethnically when you get Jena and then you get Don Imus, and all of these things ripping us apart.
Translation in conservative speech, “Enough is enough. Those brown and black folks don’t want to do what we want, they don’t want to speak and act like we want and they don’t understand the privilege that we give by allowing them to live in our neighborhoods. We gave those black folks a chance to go to school with us and now they want to tell us what we can and cannot call them. We gave those women the right to vote, work and now they want to tell us what they want to do with their bodies. They don‘t know there place.”
All the things that used to pull us together and hold us together no longer do."
Power, money, fear, lack of education and intimidation were what gave you control. You no longer own it, so you're scared.
LOL! Pearl, you're such a trip! A witty and intelligent post! Thanks for that.
Hey Preston, welcome back! Sometimes you just gotta laugh.
Hey there, I didn't know I was missed! ;) I've been quite busy the last few weeks or so and haven't had time to post here. Thanks for the warm welcome back.
We gave those black folks a chance to go to school with us and now they want to tell us what we can and cannot call them.
I thought they were forced at gunpoint to segregate? I've never seen a republican give anybody anything.
I know, nitpicking. tee hee!
Translation in conservative speech, “We need more white folks, them brown folks are taking over”. "Those brown and black folks are going to take this country away from us white folks". -Pearlene
Very true, we do need more white "folks", those brown & blacks are "taking" a country they haven't a right to "take". I think that as decent people we should make full reparations to the negriod populations, we should send them all back to africa. It was terribly unjust to forcefully bring them here.
"Those brown and black folks don’t want to do what we want, they don’t want to speak and act like we want and they don’t understand the privilege that we give by allowing them to live in our neighborhoods. We gave those black folks a chance to go to school with us and now they want to tell us what we can and cannot call them" -Pearlene
They sure do not want to speak like us, and in their aversion to speaking like a "white" they use some sort of twisted accent of the poor southerner and thus continue to degrade themselves. They (the majority) do not understand the privelige of living like civilized humans, they trash all in their sight and pollute our neighborhoods. The [african american] people seem to think that just because they worked hard in america's beginning they no longer need to work, thair historical labour quotas have been fulfilled. This is a self destructive mindset. We gave them the priviledge of equal education and they defecate upon this privaledge. they refuse to learn. take a look at the educational scores of the majority of African Americans, they perpetuate their ignorance of thair own ignorance. The majority of them have forgotten the struggle of thair forefathers for equality, and thus they forgoe the privaliges bestowed upon them. To be educated is to be "white" to a black man, and thus he will not learn. The afrikan amerikan's obsession with "whites" is crippleing them. by the way for those of you who will no doubt call me rascist, it might help that you look up the actual meaning of the word.
Wow ... just .... wow. You have the nerve to mock Black English while your spelling and grammar is below that of a 2nd grader?! Laughable.
The rest of that rambling, white supremacist rant you posted isn't even worth responding to. It’s one of the most unintentionally comical posts I’ve read here in a long time.
It is absolutely hilarious!! A crazy man wildly typing alone in his little room somewhere thinking how lucky he is to be White and seriously believing that all minorities resent his Whiteness when what they really resent is his craziness.
Actually the room I am in is quite spacious, and I do not think that other races resent my pallor, I think that blacks cripple themselves by being still hungover what the whites did to them and all of this is fueled by the popular media instilling in them a sense of entitlement.
Very true, we do need more white "folks", those brown & blacks are "taking" a country they haven't a right to "take". I think that as decent people we should make full reparations to the negriod populations, we should send them all back to africa. It was terribly unjust to forcefully bring them here.
Ha Ha Ha Ha
I appreciate your honesty in acknowledging your own bigotry however you do need a small history lesson. The country you speak of as if you own it, was owned by BROWN people long before your lilly white a** was even a twinkle in you great, great, great, great and so many more great grandmothers eyes. Remember the Native Americans who were here FIRST? As far as sending the “negroid” population back to Africa? Since a lot of this country was built on the backs of the slave population you might want to re-think sending us back. Kind of like the problem you have building that fence along the border. You have to hire the illegal labor from Mexico to build it. Can't quit imagine your lilly white skin spending hours upon hours in 100 plus heat, lifting brick after brick for $10.00 an hour. Again you might want to re-think building that wall.
They sure do not want to speak like us, and in their aversion to speaking like a "white" they use some sort of twisted accent of the poor southerner and thus continue to degrade themselves.
You mean black folks sound like George Bush? Speaking like a “white”. What does that sound like?
They (the majority) do not understand the privelige of living like civilized humans, they trash all in their sight and pollute our neighborhoods.
Honey, how many black folks do you know and how many black neighborhoods have you visited? Probably about the same number as Rush, ZERO. Your knowledge of African Americans comes from what Rush and Bill O tell you.
The [african american] people seem to think that just because they worked hard in america's beginning they no longer need to work, thair historical labour quotas have been fulfilled. This is a self destructive mindset.
Oh my goodness you think we worked hard in the beginning? History time, WE WERE SLAVES! There was NO CHOICE!
We gave them the priviledge of equal education and they defecate upon this privaledge. they refuse to learn. take a look at the educational scores of the majority of African Americans, they perpetuate their ignorance of thair own ignorance. The majority of them have forgotten the struggle of thair forefathers for equality, and thus they forgoe the privaliges bestowed upon them. To be educated is to be "white" to a black man, and thus he will not learn. The afrikan amerikan's obsession with "whites" is crippleing them. by the way for those of you who will no doubt call me rascist, it might help that you look up the actual meaning of the word.
Why do you feel that you have the right to give anyone anything? Who said, “You white get to give privileges to everyone?”
You’ve been listening to too much Rush and obviously have never known any African Americans. We are (MAJORITY) smart, educated, talented and very capable. We are a race of people who took the scrapes that the masters on the plantation gave us and made a cuisine that is still around today. We have taken opportunities through blood, sweat and lives, notice I DID NOT say privilege, and not only and we succeeded we have excelled!.
When you speak of education, you might want to take a moment before you send your post and use the “spell check” feature provided on your computer. It makes taking any comments you make make about African Americans lacking in education kind of silly when you're to dumb to use a feature that spells for you.
Pearlene, actually I said we should send African Americans back with a certain wry jocularity, I do realize the impossibility of such a venture. You call me lily white, why then I’ll call you coal black. Fair? Because this country was in part built upon Negro labor does not mean that they have a right to slack of now. About the border fence what makes you think that you absolutely have to hire illegal labor? That is an utterly idiotic statement, just because the site of the work is so proximal to the border in no way suggests they would hire illegals to build a wall to keep other illegals out. Actually my "Lilly white" skin (as a consequence of me spending much time out outdoors) has tanned. I am sorry to say i have not retained my pallor. Do not be so quick to assume that just because I post here means I cannot or do not work hard. George bush speaks like a southerner without the distortion that the African American dialect has. Speaking like a "white" mans that you sound out your consonants, (Most African Americans seem to have a lack of consonants in their alphabet), you do not use bad grammar such as "you is" or "y'all be's", and you use a vocabulary above that of a twelve year old. I actually have known African Americans (some of them good friends), I have visited black neighborhoods (although slums is a more appropriate word), and i must tell you that i have had the extreme misfortune to have to spend a year in a black "ghetto" high school in my youth. And about Rush and Bill, I actually do not and have never listened or watched their shows. "Oh my goodness you think we worked hard in the beginning? History time, WE WERE SLAVES! There was NO CHOICE!"-pearleneThat does not change the fact that Blacks worked hard, just because they where slaves. And my statement still stands. "Why do you feel that you have the right to give anyone anything? Who said, “You white get to give privileges to everyone?” Actually it was the whites in America who originally withheld the rights of blacks thus they where in the position to give them. It was not the UN or some other non American group that stopped resisting non-segregation movements. It was the white American. your comments are reactionary and pointless. "We are (MAJORITY) smart, educated, talented and very capable. We are a race of people who took the scrapes that the masters on the plantation gave us and made a cuisine that is still around today. We have taken opportunities through blood, sweat and lives, notice I DID NOT say privilege, and not only and we succeeded we have excelled!." Instead of just asserting that the majority of blacks are intelligent successful etc, give me an actual statistic showing this. or are you going to tell me that statistics are culturally biased? In my personal experience with African Americans i have found that the general population has intellectual capability below that of whites. I am sure that your "cuisine" is clogging your blood with vigor right about now. I am sorry but you as a black intellectual do not represent the majority of your population.
About my spelling, i do realize that once someone has spent themselves attacking (groundlessly) another's point, they would point out such trivialities such as spelling. but i suppose it is too be expected. And so to pacify the liberal heart that doth flutter when rushed spelling rears it's ugly head, i shall further waste my time and use a spellcheck.
please pardon my spacing on that post. The italicised words are Pearlene's.
Didn't Edward Norton make that speech in the first part of American History X?
Nay, it was about mid way through. Let's just hope that it doesn't take a prison stretch to make Flimflam here see the error of his ways. That rape scene was ugly.
Fin,
When you belittle another's education, especially that of a whole race, spell things correctly or your posts become even more ironic.
Fin,
Do you talk to your black friends like this?
About my spelling, i do realize that once someone has spent themselves attacking (groundlessly) another's point, they would point out such trivialities such as spelling. but i suppose it is too be expected. And so to pacify the liberal heart that doth flutter when rushed spelling rears it's ugly head, i shall further waste my time and use a spellcheck.
Honey, when one goes around TRYING to belittle another race and thinking themselves superior AND CAN'T SPELL? Even with a computer that does it for you? That's not trivial it's hilariously funny.
I was going to waste my time pointing out your ignorance but why bother. You are ignorant and you will remain ignorant and all I can do for you is pray that you get cured of your ignorance or you don't reproduce. Bye!
And so when i successfully refute your rant you disappear with some jibe about my spelling. not unexpected.
You have good friends that are AA? I find that extremely difficult to believe, but then again considering the likes of Ward Connelly and Clarence Thomas you just might have a few "good" AA friends who agree with your assessment of their ethnic group. Hey they probably believe like you that “White” people are actually superior to them. That’s the only explanation that could explain the existence of these AAs that would be your “good “ friends. BTW, why are you so drawn to these race related threads? It’s the only time you pop up here like some kind of rabid mole. Moreover, Fried’s description of you is right on, you’re a pathetic cowardly cyberspace racist hiding behind the anonymity of the internet to spew your venomous rhetoric, in other words you’re a little punk.
Finarfin, your hood is back from the cleaners. Sorry, we couldn't get the blood stains out. You may want to invest in a longer baseball bat for the next lynching.
Wow, there was so much ignorance in that one post I don' t know where to begin. Finarfin, I don't think your racist, I think you're convinced of your own races superiority. You believe African Americans should show gratituded for not being in an often chaotic country like Africa, due to being brought over in slave ships. You agree that the black and brown people are using up your resources no doubt. Can I ask what tribe your family is originally from? Lie to yourself if you must, but you're just as much an immigrant as any other American. You and every other white elitist can feel their dominance coming slowing down and it scares you, so naturally you blame the immigrants. Blame the African American for the money we're losing in Iraq. Blame the African American for gun violence, even though no manufacturers are black owned. Blame African Americans for the drug industry even though none own poppy fields. Blame us for whatever, but you can't blame us for your own ignorance and the ignorance of your ancestors. One day you'll wake up and realize you can't live in a cacoon any longer. We're all here to stay, so learn to accept differences or move back to whatever country your family migrated from.
clown.
"You believe African Americans should show gratitude for not being in an often chaotic country like Africa, due to being brought over in slave ships."
Actually August Heat, i do not think that African Americans should be grateful we shipped them over here, i think it is an unfortunate set of circumstances that led to so many blacks being enslaved and brought over to the Americas. If only the native Americans where more suited for hard labour.
Actually i am a first generation immigrant, I came from the country of my origin in my youth, i am Eastern European. do not be so quick to think i blame everything on immigrants seeing as i am one.
"Blame the African American for gun violence, even though no manufacturers are black owned. Blame African Americans for the drug industry even though none own poppy fields."-A.H
These statements are absolute ludicrous, Just because blacks do not manufacture guns (something that shows how involved blacks are in industry) does not mean that they aren't the leaders in gun violence, it is not which race produces the guns, it is the way that they are used. you seem to have the idiotic opinion that if you take way all guns the world would b a safer place. And about the drug industry, Blacks are usually the distributors rather than the manufacturers.
in conclusion, you must realize that the reason i am so strong on this issue is that African Americans do not have to be in the position that they are in, it is utterly their fault and it is their responsibility to dig themselves out. They do not take the opportunities that this great country presents them. and thus the deplorable socioeconomic position of African Americans.
These statements are absolute ludicrous, Just because blacks do not manufacture guns (something that shows how involved blacks are in industry) does not mean that they aren't the leaders in gun violence, it is not which race produces the guns, it is the way that they are used. you seem to have the idiotic opinion that if you take way all guns the world would b a safer place.
The majority of serial killers and petafiles are white males, ready to take responsibility for that?
Actually i am a first generation immigrant, I came from the country of my origin in my youth, i am Eastern European. do not be so quick to think i blame everything on immigrants seeing as i am one.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++OMG, so where do you get off talking about WE should have sent Blacks back to Africa. You're ass just arrived here and my family on the other hand has been here for generations and they helped make this great nation the rich and powerful nation you brought your ass here to get a piece of. Watch out or maybe this multigenerational American might send you back to Europe. You are an absolute jokeI was really going to leave this alone but your ignorance is like a magnet. African Americans are leaders in gun violence yet our great country has gone to war falsely accusing another nation of having weapons it does not. How many American lives lost? How many Iraqi lives lost on a false premise? Your pre-emptive war as you conservatives like to call it is nothing more than international gang warfare. Let me ask you a question, why is it we don't break big and bad with Korea, Russia, Iran or any other country who has, is selling or is actively developing nukes. Do the math. Compare the number of fatalities by gun violence in the black community to that of our bogus war. Get back at me when you come to your senses.
And the reason you deserve pity is that your self righteous rants of blacks needing to dig themselves out of a hole is a joke. Americans needs to help Americans to a bettter life. We're all Americans and until you can learn to help your neighbor regardless of his/her race then you will have a hard time accepting the future. The near future. LOL. Immigrants, illegal and legal, aren't going anywhere. The problems in the black community will continue to America's problem. Similarly, the problem of serial killers, white collar crimes and bogus wars will continue to be America's problem.
Fin,
Please tell me you are trying to be a satirist! Your "education" has simply failed you. Do you not know that educated people spell words correctly? Do you not know that continents are capitalized?
More importantly, your ignorance is disgusting. I am so glad, for your sake, that your teachers (assuming you had some) and parents (assuming they have the ability to think) if they are reading your work only see you as an anonymus handle and not the monster that you are.
Referring to people as "they" because some of them speak differently than you do is simply racist and sick. What is "white" speak?
Have you ever espoused your views on African Americans to an African American outside of cyber space?
I tell you what, Fin, you are a racist and I do know the definition of the word. Being a racist is having a fundamental belief that the differences among the human races determines one's lot in life and usually involves the belief that one's own race is superior. In your rant, you clearly said that African Americans don't want to "speak like us." That would imply that your idea of "white speech" is superior to your notion of "black speech" and is based on race. Hence, that is a racist comment if you use the definition I provieded for you. You also said that "African American (my capitals, NOT yours) people seem to think that just because they worked hard in America's (again, my capitalization) beginning they no longer need to work, thair (YOUR IDIOTIC SPELLING) historical labour quotas have been fulfilled." Again, in that nonsense, you have espoused a view you hold due to the race of another group of human beings. This makes you a racist and a horrible speller.
Fin, I challenge you to be like this in real life and not just online. I think you should make a point to share these views with as many people as possible if you don't think I am accurately describing you as a racist.
I'll pray for your soul.
Freidbergboy,
Spelling and capitalization is trivial. do not bother with it, you waste your and my time. "They" is simply a pronoun that i used instead of calling them by their title again, it is simply paranoid that you single it out. Actually i have espoused my opinions to Multiple black people, a friend of mine debate upon this subject often, although other average African Americans i have tried to debate with lack the intellect.
About the African Americana's sense of entitlement, i said that they think that they have fulfilled their historical labor quotas, and thus no longer need to work. you dare me to speak my view in real life, are you saying that my exercising my freedom of speech some sort of harm may befall me? Is this because the quick to accuse blacks are violent in nature?
About my spelling, read my responses up the thread, i have pledged to cease to irk you with my sloppy spelling, i see how people are hung up about it. Although not everyone is perfect as you point out with your "provieded" having an abundance of E's.
"although other average African Americans i have tried to debate with lack the intellect. "
Explain how that is not a racist statement.
Finifin please read my earlier post. I see that you've brought your racial superiority BS over from Eastern Europe and have found a nice home here in America among the white supremacist and white chauvinist,no surprise. But we kicked your butts in the Civil War in this country and beat the sh#t out of your master race in WW2. Intellectuality your arguments amount to nothing more than hatred and drivel and have no scientific basis whatsoever. Although your master race non-sense was beaten down by the world, you rats continue to find issues and ways to peddle it to desperate and ignorant people searching for answers and that is what not only makes you laughable but dangerous. From the lynch rope to the ovens mankind has fallen prey at desperate times for easy scapegoats to their problems. Now slime like you have found another issue immigration. Our only hope is that people who are on the fence about this issue actually see the hatred and drivel your expounding and move away from it, I will do all in my power to help them, because history has shown me the consequences of inaction. Your not funny and the side of history you side with will have us marching into the marshes. So you ill concieved mutation from EU keep talking and I'll keep fighting for the day that your ideas and others like them become extinct and decent men will be standing over it"s grave to make sure that its dead and relished to the trash heap of history. As an Afro-American man whose ancestors fought along side of the progressives in the Spanish Civil War(the start of the fight against Nazism) I say "Hasta La Victoria! Pa' Lante!
CONG . . . Agreed. And very well put I might add.
FINARFIN, Thank you for giving me the opportunity to post (again) one of my favorite quotes.
"I'm not black but there's a whole lot's of times I wish I could say that I'm not white."
-Frank Zappa
Since I read your post, today is one of those days for me.
Pearl
That's exactly what Pat and the bobble head Hannity are doing, whining about losing their God given supremacy to inferior hordes. Everything was fine in the 50s and 60s, give me a break. Everybody got along fine because everyone was in the place that Buchanan thought was appropriate.Translation in Pearlene talk. Everyone who disagrees with me in the immigration issue is a racist, xenophobe, or most likely, both.
Not everyone. She quoted Buchanan. Don't you think Buchanan should take personal responsibility for couching what should be a cultural debate strictly in terms of race?
Buchanan set himself up for Pearlene's comments. Putting the problem at Pearlene's feet is being dishonest.
I like you Open-Mind and my intent was not to be unfair...although pearlene was most unfair to me in some earlier posts.
I'm so confused! A few weeks ago, the right wing was villifying the Frost family for having children that they couldn't afford to cover with medical insurance. "An irresponsible choice" was what some of the punditocracy said.
Now here comes Pat Buchanan to tell us that white people, presumably people like the Frosts, are letting down this country by NOT having more babies.
I'm so confused!
"We are Balkanizing. We are dividing and separating from one another politically, morally -- on issues like abortion or Terri Schiavo..."
He didn't REALLY say this, did he? Did he try to make it sound like immigrants are the cause of the political divide in this country?
Sheesh.
No he didn't. While he did draw the hispanics into the equation (who were in the southwest long before the whites populated the area) he really means people of color are the reason for all of our problems. He just can't stand the thought of being called a minority...
Have noticed lately that conservatives have adopted the Rummy style of speaking? Have I noticed that conservatives ask themselves a question and them answer the question themselves? Yes I have. Does it make me wonder if they wish all questions were softballs? Yes it does. Do I expect them to change in the near future? No, I don't.
""How is America committing suicide?" answering: "Every way a nation can." "
Anyone interested in a very different story (and analysis) on illegal immigration should try:
http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/14/the_illegal_immigrant_next_door
Talk about how "greed" is killing America, Pat. Don't wanna share opportunity with those non-whites who wish to live here? I guess he's right about "greed."
"The central objection to the present flood of illegals is that they are not English- speaking white people from Western Europe, they are Spanish- speaking brown and black people from Mexico, Latin America and the Caribbean," Pat Buchanan (6/15/84).
FAIR has more.
That's an interesting mentality, that the country is going to be run by those who have the most children.
As if we're in a time when dominance is decided by whoever can get the most hands harvesting the crops, or who can steal the other tribes goats.
I'm thinking if I'm a white guy who owns a big factory and I have two kids, and the Mexican guy running a machine on the line has 5 kids, my 2 kids have a lot better head start towards running things in 20 years than the other guys kids,
If we represent a trend, his kids may have more radio stations geared toward them, but I'm not sure if that's what Buchanan is so frightened about.
Fox News producers invited this vile vermin Pat Buchanan to pimp his sorry book, and to pollute the Fox News studios with his foul stench of bigotry.
This vermin is good friends with News Corporation disgrace Sean. This media circus clown found a new friend to replace fellow racist Hal Turner. Sean also agrees with everything this vermin says about minorities.
Both these media circus clowns should be shun by all Americans, especially presidential candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson. Any endorsement from Sean or this vermin Buchanan is a kiss of death for their presidential bid. Sean is not a "Great American," but a "Bigoted American."
I hope this vermin's book sales flop.
Forty-five million of its young have been destroyed in the womb since Roe v. Wade, as Asian, African, and Latin American children come to inherit the estate the lost generation of American children never got to see.
Is he suggesting that only white women have had abortions?
Buchanan's abortion number is badly inflated. I just checked the CDC and there have been about 38,000,000 U.S. abortions from 1970-2007. The ratio of white abortions has averaged 52% over these years. By far, most mothers who choose to abort are under age 18.
I am going to assume that the income and resource levels for these white mothers who choose abortion are generally lower than those who are able to avoid pregnancy (taught birth control and actually use it), keep their babies (have family support) or allow adoption. I assume this without research because I think economics play a much greater role in abortion decisions than it did before the feminist movement - meaning throughout the entire period in question - when shame, societal pressure, etc., was a greater factor.
Therefore, abortion rates are actually class related, not race related, and removing legal abortion is class warfare, especially in times when proper healthcare is tied to substantial employment, equal access to education is under assault, and equal housing programs have been mostly unfunded.
Buchanan is a racist, but his primary motivation, and that of all neo-conservatives, is wealth. They hate taxes because they don't want their money used to lift up such unworthy people as the lower class (fast outpacing the "middle-class"). Life is a race to ownership for conservatives and they have no loyalty even to the those running along side them. How many stories do you see about the successful family man who meets a terrible setback and then complains about the lack of adequate social sefety nets. Previously a republican, he now disavows his party to talk about the "liberal" programs that are needed. His "friends" look upon him with pity and then ignore him...he should have saved more and planned better. How can you expect people like that to care a bit about Mexicans, non-white Americans, felons, drug addicts, or pregnant teenagers?
"Half of all African-American and Hispanic students drop out of high school. The other half graduates with the math and reading skills of seventh-, eighth- and ninth-graders."
If I'm doing my math correctly (and someone should check for me, since I am, after all, Latino), if half of a population drops out of high school and half of a population graduates with the math and reading skills of a ninth grader or less, then no one in that population will graduate from high school fully proficient in math or reading. I'm glad Pat told me this. Otherwise, I wouldn't have been aware of the ignorance of my wife (the Latina PhD candidate), my brother in law (the Latino VP at DeutscheBank), and my brother in laws wife (the African-American corporate executive). But us black and brown folk are dum, so you can't really hold it against me.
I hear ya, bro. I had no idea my wife was dirt stupid either. Her graduating not just top of her class, but highest grades ever, must have been a mistake when she got her MA degree.
While were tooting the horn personally, my adopted half-Columbian first-grader, the joy of my life, appears to be progressing very well into a substantial, sensitive, intelligent, observant and popular boy. Maybe, I should look harder since he is apparently troubled in some way I can't see.
But this is all anecdotal and, after all, these brown people can't speak english so they must be deficient. Now that I think of it, my son couldn't speak english either when I adopted him!? But then he was only a day old.
Your successes abound, but you do not get the idiots of a particular race debating sensibly on a site such as MMFA, i think that there is an IQ requirement. Personally, i do not think your successes (better the successes of your relatives) mirror the rest of the population. minorities such as yourself should be welcomed to this country, but Shannity & Buchanan are referring to the common people of the races, and they are not as successful or intelligent as you may be.
"Personally, i do not think your successes (better the successes of your relatives) mirror the rest of the population. minorities such as yourself should be welcomed to this country, but Shannity & Buchanan are referring to the common people of the races, and they are not as successful or intelligent as you may be."
Are you proposing some kind of IQ test for new immigrants?
Actually, testing and screening would be great, there should be some sort of IQ testing incoming immigrants.
Not sure you would have made it through the gates, my friend. Sorry. In this country we (at least I thought we did) preach acceptance and tolerance and we try not to group everyone into categories based on inalienable characteristics. If you didn't want to live in a society where people look and act differently based on their cultures, you should probably find a different place to live.
Actually, testing and screening would be great, there should be some sort of IQ test for incoming immigrants.
"i think that there is an IQ requirement."--finarfin
Evidence taken from your own posts suggests otherwise.
What a predictable comeback. others saw how excactly predictable such a jibe is, but you just could not refrain.
Pat's problem is his short memory. He thinks the invasion of his white ancestors to America created it's greatness. Wrong. The 'melting pot' he is so enamored of is native American culture, NOT from his European roots.
He is so confused. The 'brown' people he is so afraid of from the south are native Americans! Their culture IS the actual 'melting pot' culture he frets about loosing. To quote the great sage, Bugs Bunny, "What a maroon."
Buchanan is loony and I don't understand why he still gets so much attention, then I read that racist post about 20 frames above and have to think, Oh yeah, these people created him. Everyone knows that the black community has its social problems and many prominent blacks have written and spoken about self-empowerment. However, influential people (of every color) have a duty as citizens to help them. Call it what you want, but you can't overcome a slave culture in a foriegn nation in just three generations (there are children of slaves still living!). I don't believe in reparations to later generations, but we could spend the same money on them in better ways.
As to Latinos, U.S. policy toward Mexico and South America has supported the wrong leaders for generations in the interest of cheap trade. If we were really serious about drug interdiction, we would invest in those countries to grow competing industry and provide military support in eradicating their organized crime elements. But, we don't really care about these people or their needs, except when they come here seeking a better chance.
I hate to make general statements about people, I have looked up racism in the dictionary, and it begins with stereotypes, fosters prejudices and culminates in dehumanization. But my experience with Latinos is as a very family-oriented, supportive, spiritual, community involved, proud and hard working people. This is based only on the Latinos I know personally, of course.
I guess if I had the misfortune of only meeting selfish, money-hungry, zenophobic, homophobic, uncaring conservatives, I'd think every conservative the same. But, for that, I have my intellect, which tells me that they can't all be that way. Try using your intellect, it's fun.
A questions to ponder:
Does the white man have a God given right to be the majority and hold the majority power in a democratic society?
The American majority is not reproducing itself. Its birthrate has been below replacement level for decades. Forty-five million of its young have been destroyed in the womb since Roe v. Wade, as Asian, African, and Latin American children come to inherit the estate the lost generation of American children never got to see.
The basis of his arguement is flawed in that this country was founded on stolen land. A lot of us may not like to revisit the atrocities that created this great nation, but they are part of the heritage of every successful American. None of us are indigenous to this land. So I wonder to myself, who the hell are you to say that this land has been lost to "Asian, African and Latin American children?"
I disagree that "we" "stole" U.S. land from its native inhabitants. Settlors from many countries took up the land that was unsettled by European standards, killed natives for resisting, negotiated under false pretense for more land, and finally used the force of majority governance to take the remaining land by "treaty". It's an ugly record of imperialism, but it is still imperialism. The same kind of unfair advantage by force of numbers was used to create modern Europe, Australia, the Soviet Republic, the Middle East, all of China, and countless other examples. Some of the descendants of all these conquests now inhabate the U.S. as natural and naturalized citizens and call themselves Americans. This is our land and we deserve it having expended blood, treasure and effort to take and hold it (through many wars following our own civil war). No one ever apologizes to the conquered except by allowing the survivors to become citizens (most notably practiced by the Romans during their imperialistic periods).
My final point is that we are all in this together now and what we "owe" to each other is equal opportunity and where our social structures hobble people of different ethnicity, skin color, creed, disability, language, etc., we must give relief until the generation arrives that is allowed and able to fairly compete. That is true liberalism. Conservatives may call it charity.
Cannonball,
You're entitled to your opinion, but when you come to someone's home and they show you where the food is and you then kill them off by the thousands and force another group of people to work in the backyard without paying them, I call it stealing. I'm not an angry black man. I actually work in social services and we help black,white and hispanic children alike. I am an American. Are my parents from this country? No, but I am still a very proud American. Lying about our past doesn't change a damn thing. You can justify it by saying everybody was doing it at time in history, doesn't make it right or any better.
BUCHANAN: We are Balkanizing. -- racially and ethnically, when you get Jena and then you get Don Imus, and all of these things ripping us apart. All the things that used to pull us together and hold us together no longer do. -Said Pat-
Hey Pat... Imus and Jena was the ripping apart of Blacks in our country. To Pat it's the ripping apart of his idea of white control of our country and freedoms to hang nooses for blacks on trees and speak trash about them on the air as in Don Imus. Those 2 events were good exposures of serious injustices and there were some corrections made. THAT is what Pat is ripped up about.
Legislators of the Pat Buchanan type killed the Imagration Reforms Bill we needed. Undocumented Workers should be given a chance and a path to being documented in keeping with the Bush Republican Plan.
Hell if KKK troopers were attacking across the border Pat would take down the fence and erect the Statue of Liberty to welcome them. They would help Pat fight for his white American dictatorship.
Hey, isn't that kind of what have under already under Bush? I'm sending KKK hoods to Pat & Hannity. I'd include everyone at Fox News too but I'm on a limited budget.
Happy Holidays Everyone! -Sam I Am-
George Carlin's solution to Poor Ol' Pat's fear:
Just keep ----in'. Everybody ---- everyone. America will end up looking like Tiger Woods or The Rock or Halle Berry. Then we can have done with this nonsense. Plus which, lookin' like Tiger or Halle beats all hell out of lookin' like Pat or his sister Bay. Fact.
I often find I agree with PB on a lot of primary facts. Yet he adds them together and comes to different conclusions than I do. The Southwest was taken from Mexico through a war urged by those who sought to expand slavery. Grant said the initial incident was a false flag attack. Even if all of the country(US) became populated by striped people who spoke ancient Etruscan, it would still be America if they followed our constitution. If the WASPS like GWB populate the country and do not follow the constitution it is no longer america. Language is to the nature of our country like clothing is to the nature of the person--- not really relevant.
The Southwest taken from Mexico? Are you kdding me? The spanish claimed it so the mexicans think it is theirs as a result of the revolution. It was never Mexico's. They never made it pass the Commanche or Apache and during the 1836 Texas Revoluton there were only 9000 Mexicans. This site is so anti-white it makes my blood boil. The lies and attempts at revising history are incredible. The name-calling is so Bolshevik...
This site is so anti-white it makes my blood boil. The name-calling is so Bolshevik... VerticalSmile?
Hi Mr or Mrs Smile. I do believe you're confusing 'anti-white' posters with Anti-Racists. I'm from a white culture and I'm glad Pat, Hannity and you have your blood boiling. Maybe it will wake you up to make this a better country for us all.
We have but one planet Earth and we must all share it in peace and be respectful of all of our people here. Please take a good look at yourself and see if there is some room for improvement. Do the comments here against racism offend you? Does that mean you are racist?
And Hey... If you don't like name calling then please stop doing it. You should try the Horizontal Smile it's more pleasant looking and believable.
Everyone needs the white man. If racism means defending the land and symbols fought for by one's people then sign me up commie. All I see is brown folks moving en masse to wherever whitey lives. They are even trying to get into Iceland now with the help of the New World Order. Ireland is ruined and England is hell now. Racism is a word meant to stigmatize and white solidarity. Means nothing to me.