Wash. Post and NY Times ignored Hadley's claim and denial that Bush was told to "stand down" upon learning of Iran intel
SUMMARY: The New York Times and The Washington Post have reported on the White House's statements regarding President Bush's knowledge of the new intelligence that Iran halted its nuclear program in late 2003 -- and the administration's subsequent "clarif[ication]" and "revis[ion]" of some of those statements -- but neither paper has noted National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley's inconsistent statements regarding whether intelligence officials told Bush to "stand down" upon learning the "new information" on Iran's nuclear weapons program.
During his December 3 press conference regarding the recently released National Intelligence Estimate's (NIE) conclusion that Iran halted its nuclear program in late 2003, National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley said that when the intelligence community first informed President Bush that there was new information on Iran's nuclear program he was told to "stand down." Later in the same press conference, however, Hadley denied having said that Bush was told to "stand down," adding that intelligence officials "did not tell the President to stand down and stop talking about Iran's nuclear program." But while, in recent days, The New York Times and The Washington Post have reported on the administration's statements regarding Bush's knowledge of the new Iran intelligence -- and the White House's subsequent "clarif[ication]" and "revis[ion]" of some of those statements -- both papers have yet to note Hadley's inconsistent statements regarding whether intelligence officials told Bush to "stand down" upon learning the "new information" on Iran's nuclear weapons program.
During an October 17 press conference, Bush claimed, "I believe they [Iran] want to have the capacity, the knowledge, in order to make a nuclear weapon" and further stated that "if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon." In his December 3 press conference, reporters asked Hadley to reconcile Bush's previous "World War III" statement regarding Iran's nuclear program with the NIE's conclusion, released earlier that day, that "in fall 2003, Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program." In response, Hadley offered a number of conflicting statements regarding whether Bush was told to "stand down" in light of the new intelligence:
- First, Hadley said that "when the President was told that we had some additional information [on Iran], he was basically told: 'Stand down; needs to be evaluated; we'll come to you and tell you what we think it means.' " He added, "[A]s we said, this is information that came in the last few months, and the intelligence community spent a lot time to get on top of it."
- When a reporter mentioned Hadley's statement that Bush was told to "stand down," he responded, "No, I said just the opposite. I said the President was told, we have some information, we have some new information not to stand down -- said, we have some new information; give us some time to analyze it, and we will come to you and tell you what we think it means."
- Hadley went on to again assert that intelligence officials "did not tell the President to stand down and stop talking about Iran's nuclear program" and added, "What he was told was: 'We have new information; it is interesting; it is going to take us some time to understand it, to assess it, to know what it means, and to know how credible it is, and we will come back to you when that process is done.' And they did. And they came back to him Wednesday, and the results of their work is included in this estimate."
On December 4, the Times published four articles on the new NIE (here, here, here, and here), two of which reported on Hadley's comments at the press conference. The Post published two articles on the issue, both noting Hadley's press conference. However, none of the articles by either outlet noted Hadley's conflicting statements regarding whether intelligence officials told Bush to "stand down" when revealing the "new information" regarding Iran's nuclear weapons program.
In a December 4 press conference, Bush defended his October 17 assertion that the United States should prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons in order to avoid "World War III," claiming that he was briefed on the NIE's conclusions only "last week" and that when Director of National Intelligence J. Michael McConnell alerted Bush to "new information" on Iran's nuclear program in August, he did not, in Bush's words, "tell me what the information was."
On December 5, the Times published three articles on the Iran NIE and Bush's press conference (here, here, and here), while the Post also published three reports (here, here, and here). None of the articles noted Hadley's contradictory statements on whether Bush was told to "stand down."
On the evening of December 5, White House press secretary Dana Perino issued a statement in which she disclosed that, in an August meeting, Bush had been told by McConnell that Iran's nuclear program "may be suspended" and "that the new information might cause the intelligence community to change its assessment of Iran's covert nuclear program, but the intelligence community was not prepared to draw any conclusions at that point in time."
In December 6 articles, both the Times and Post reported that Perino had "revised" and "clarified" Bush's December 4 remarks. But again, neither outlet noted Hadley's inconsistent statements on December 3 regarding whether the intelligence agencies told Bush to "stand down."
From the White House's transcript of Hadley's December 3 press conference:
Q Steve, let me follow on this point. If we now estimate with high confidence that it was shut down as of 2003, that it was halted, in October of this year, in 2007, the President is speaking about the Iranian threat, in terms of World War III. Why wouldn't you conclude that this President is hyping the threat?
MR. HADLEY: Because he was describing the threat as the intelligence community itself had been describing the threat both publicly and in their briefings to him. The President, as I think if you look at the testimony that was given by Don Kerr and Mike Hayden today, they basically said that the intelligence community finally came to the judgments that they came to on this issue Tuesday of last week. The President was briefed on Wednesday. So this is challenging information. The intelligence community had to decide what they thought about it. They were sufficiently uncertain about it that they delayed the publication of the NIE until they could come to the bottom of it, reach their conclusions, present it to the President, as they did on Wednesday, and then at that point, obviously, we wanted to get it out quickly.
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Q: There had to be more than an inkling before today that this information, this intelligence, that the Iranians had an ongoing nuclear weapons program was incorrect. So why wasn't -- why then would the President allow it or advise to go ahead with ratcheting up the rhetoric, instead of toning it down, when right now this obviously raises issues of credibility with the American public and with American allies about U.S. intelligence?
MR. HADLEY: Two things. One, when the President was told that we had some additional information, he was basically told: stand down; needs to be evaluated; we'll come to you and tell you what we think it means. So this was basically -- as we said, this is information that came in the last few months, and the intelligence community spent a lot time to get on top of it.
Secondly, I would disagree with you that the President has ratcheted up the rhetoric. We have said -- he has said, I have said, other administration officials have said many times, look, we want diplomacy to work. Because, as I said in my statement, we don't want to be in a situation where the only two choices this or a future President has is to accept Iran on a path to a nuclear weapon or to have to contemplate the use of nuclear force -- sorry, use of military force. Because that in the context of today's Middle East is a big move.
And so the President, in that statement -- as he said before and as he explained afterwards -- was trying to give a wake-up call to the international community that we needed to step up the diplomacy and step up the pressure to get Iran to suspend its declared uranium enrichment program. And that still is the case today, because that is the path to weapons-grade material which would give Iran the option in the future to produce a nuclear weapon.
Q The President -- you said the President was told to stand down on that -
MR. HADLEY: No, I said just the opposite. I said the President was told, we have some information, we have some new information not to stand down -- said, we have some new information; give us some time to analyze it, and we will come to you and tell you what we think it means.
Q Was he told that before or after -
MR. HADLEY: And that's what he was told, and they -- as was briefed by the intelligence community today, they came to their final judgments on Tuesday of last week, and they told the President of the United States on Wednesday.
Q But was he given that advice before or after the World War III comment?
MR. HADLEY: I'll have to -- I'll have to look.
Q Which was on October 20th.
MR. HADLEY: From my mind, it doesn't make any difference, because the World War III comment you characterize as stepping up the rhetoric. I would say it was making a point that the President and we have been making for two or three years, that the international community has to exert more pressure because Iran needs to suspend its enrichment program.
That was the position of our policy before the National Intelligence Estimate, and for the reasons I said. That continues to be our policy after this latest National Intelligence Estimate.
Q Steve, just to clarify.
MR. HADLEY: Sure.
Q Is it fair to say that the intelligence came in, in recent weeks, not recent months? Because this -- as was pointed out, the press briefing was late October when the President was asked definitively, do you believe Iran wants to build a nuclear bomb? And that's where you get, in the second part of that answer, the World War III comment.
MR. HADLEY: Correct.
Q So was it recent weeks that this intelligence came in?
MR. HADLEY: What the intelligence community has said is in the last few months. And again I would say, if they were working on this information before that quote in October, again, in terms of the point the President was making, he would have made that comment before we got -- the intelligence community got this information. He would have made that, I believe, that comment after. I just made it in this statement, which is, the international community has to understand that if we want to avoid a situation where we either have to accept Iran on the road to a nuclear weapon, with a path to a nuclear weapon, or the possibility of having to use force to stop it, with all the connotations of World War III, then we need to step up the diplomacy, step up the pressure to get Iran to stop their civilian -- so-called civilian uranium enrichment program. That was our policy before his October comment, that was the policy between October -- his October comment and today, and that's our policy going forward; no change.
Q Steve, you just said you would describe it quite different. Just a minute ago -
MR. HADLEY: I think that's right. And we would describe it -
Q Are you being consistent? I don't think you're being consistent.
MR. HADLEY: I am being consistent, because what we can say now is, that they actually had -- which we did not know at the time of 2005 -- they actually had a covert weapons program, which means we were right to be concerned; it was probably worse than we thought.
We would also say now, but that program, that covert nuclear weapon program has been suspended. And therefore it is important for our policy to continue to put diplomatic pressure on Iran so that the suspension -- the halting, excuse me -- the halting of their covert nuclear weapons program continues and that they suspend their uranium enrichment program. Because if you can do both of those things, maintain the halting of the nuclear weapons program and obtain the suspension of the uranium enrichment program, you've got some real assurance that Iran is not going to be on the path towards a nuclear weapon -- assuming they don't steal the weapon, they don't get weapons-grade nuclear material from some other source. And it still leaves the worrisome fact that they're working and developing ballistic missiles.
But it is a -- so I would describe our posture differently. I would describe our assessment -- the intelligence community would describe the assessment in a different way. But in terms of our policy, it continues to be one. And I would say it both underscores the urgency of the policy, and also gives us some confidence that it actually can work, but only if we pick up the pace.
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Q Second question. When did the Vice President get briefed on this? Because he was warning of serious consequences just last month, too.
MR. HADLEY: I've just got a note from him -- I did it once, I'll do it again. In terms of stand down, they did not tell the President to stand down and stop talking about Iran's nuclear program; they told him just the opposite: Mr. President, we have new information. Or let me put it this way, not just the opposite, let me be precise. He was not told to stop talking about Iran's nuclear weapons program. He was not told to change what he says about it. What he was told was, we have new information; it is interesting; it is going to take us some time to understand it, to assess it, to know what it means, and to know how credible it is, and we will come back to you when that process is done. And they did. And they came back to him Wednesday, and the results of their work is included in this estimate. Is that okay? (Laughter.)
I'm sorry, you asked a question and I didn't answer. Could you restate it, please?
Q When was the Vice President briefed on this? You mentioned when the President was, what about the Vice President?
MR. HADLEY: He, of course, can answer that for himself. I will say that the week before the Tuesday/Wednesday, there was a meeting that was held with the principals -- including the Vice President, myself and others -- to get a preliminary look at this information, to get some sense of it, and to give us an opportunity to test it and ask questions about it, and probe it a little bit, as part -- and we thought, one, so we would understand it, and two, as part of the process for the intelligence community, you know, coming to its conclusion about what this all meant. And those were the conclusions that they reached on Tuesday, and which were briefed to the President on Wednesday of last week.
Peter.
Q Steve, when was the first time the President was given the inkling of something? I'm not clear on this. Was this months ago, when the first information started to become available to intelligence agencies?
MR. HADLEY: You ought to go back to the intelligence community. We will get you an answer on that. There's two questions: one, when did they first get the information? -- you ought to ask that to them -- two, when was the President notified that there was new information available? We'll try and get you a precise answer. As I say, it was, in my recollection, is in the last few months. Whether that is October -- August, September, we'll try and get you an answer to that.
















I'm thinking Bush should have read "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" instead of "My Pet Goat". Oh, well.
It's fun to watch these guys try to spin this. Unfortunately, the MSM is probably going to let them get away with it. This morning on "Morning Joe", Andrea Mitchell and David Gregory both ran interference for President Numbnuts. We can just add this to the pile of evidence that Bush and Cheney are liars...evidence that the Press can pretend isn't there. I'll be surprised if this story has any more legs than the Downing Street Memo story. Remember the Downing Street Memo?
It is now beyond obvious that George W Bush and Dick Cheney and every single one of their cohorts need to be removed from office, NOW!
I would have been willing to give Bush the benefit of the doubt that he didn't perhaps know or understand the NIE report that seems to have been given to him and esentially proved (by Kieth Olbermann's breakdown of Bush's own words over the last year and specifically from Aug 6 to then Aug 9)
This man (and certainly) his band of neo-nuts have known at the earliest this last Aug 6th (this date reminds me of another Aug 6th in 2001) to posibly as long as over a year ago that Iran had stopped its nuclear ambitions!
He lied to us! They (his bubble providers) have all lied to us!
These jerks were (and still are) so hard up to start yet another fu**ing war that they were hoping and seemingly doing their collective best to keep this from becoming public!
Say what you will about all the other issues that we could go on about all day and night.....
But how in the hell can anyone even dare to defend this?
Clinton lied about an affair and nearly got impeached.......
These assclowns were and are LYING about baseless accusations that Iran was still trying to create a nuke, that could have started WWIII...... NUCLEAR WAR!!
And the media acts as if its not that big of a deal...... imagine how you or Rush or Ann or FOX would have reacted had this revelation had happened under Clinton or Carter back in the 70's? Don't dare tell me you wouldn't have gone ape-s**t and demanded blood!
So, for all you Bush defenders in here.......
How can you seriously even consider that BushCo is doing all it can to keep you safe?
Does lying about/keeping from "We the people" about an NIE that would have cleared the way for diplomacy still make you think that they have you and yours at heart?
And yet Bush still finds it in his blackened heart to dare claim that Iran needs to come clean for a program that it hasn't been running in 4 years or face dire consequences!
The facts are right there, he ignored them, the media ignores them and the only ones that lose are the soldiers, the American people, the Iranian people, the entire population of the rest of the planet, the planet itself and civilization as we know it!!
How dare you Mr Bush, Mr Cheney, and every Bush defender anywhere!
I almost forgot.......
When in 2009 the next Democratic president takes his oath of office.......
He/she needs to immediately give those few brave souls within the Intelligence Community that got this NIE report out to the public a big fat raise, a promotion, and a Presidential Medal of Freedom!
Capt, Remember the Republans were going to bring DIGNITY and RESPECT back to the Oval Office. This President and his "advisors" have discredited this office more than any other Administration. And that includes Clinton. This bunch of liars will go down in history as the Administration that promoted and activated a war which was not needed and the deaths on both sides must be on their hands.
Hopefully, the Dems will act like the Republans would and go for the throats of these criminals. Enough is enough. No more politics. No more lies. No more meaningless deaths. STOP THE CRIMINALS NOW!!!!
How many Lies are Enough Lies?
What more does the Bush Administration need to do before Congress and the 25% who still support him say enough? He lied us into one war, tried to lie us into another, outed a CIA agent, tortured, used the Justice Department for political ends, illegally wire-tappe Americans, destroyed evidence, ruined the US reputation; what more does he have to do before everyone says enough? Presendent Bush makes King George III look like Mother Teresa. If ever there was and administration that needed to be kicked out of office it's this one.
What's stunning about this above all the spin is that if Bush knew the details of this report back in August and went on to sabre rattle as late as October with his "WWIII" rhetoric, then he promoted a falsehood, or lied.
If he just found out last week then there is unbridled and unbelievable incompetence within his administration.
Either way, this is incredible.
Tommy, I agree with you completely. The only thing is I don't think it was incompetence...Bush was doing what he was supposed to do/told to do. I think all that saber rattling was done for a purpsoe.
I take no pleasure whatsoever in contemplating that the POTUS could or would lie to the American people, regardless of which political party he or she is affiliated with - particularly in matters of national security. It is unconscionable to me. Unfathomable.
Incompetence, Bush has displayed plenty of that, for sure.
Tommy,
I think many things have happened over the last 7 years that we thought would never happen. I for one would never believe our government would condone torture. Or that it would detain people with no respresentation....or that it would spy upon it's citizens without warrant or cause. So I'm sure i'm not the only one who's not surprised by this latest turn of events.
Pulling an IAEA report directly out of his ass, Aluminum tubes, the prescription drug benifit will only cost 400 billion dollars. Bush is a liar. It is that simple
This has to be about the millionth example during his administration where the only two possabilities were he is either lying or incompetent.
*possibilities*
What's stunning about this above all the spin is that if Bush knew the details of this report back in August and went on to sabre rattle as late as October with his "WWIII" rhetoric, then he promoted a falsehood, or lied. If he just found out last week then there is unbridled and unbelievable incompetence within his administration. Either way, this is incredible.
Tommy, I must agree and add it's damn scary to think what could have happened to this country if this report was hidden from the public.
If you read the NIE summary (link in topic summary) you would probably agree with President Bush that Iran is still a threat - the NIE is does NOT exonerate Iran. To the contrary, anyone who reads the report should be alarmed about the prospect of Iran getting the A-bomb.
Although Iran has NEVER admitted that they were building an A-bomb, the NIE report confirms that Iran WAS pursuing a nuclear weapons program. When did Iran stop? The same year the we invaded Iraq!
Right now my biggest concern in NOT whether Bush was told to "stand down"; I'm worried that if we let up on the pressure against Iran that they will restart the effort to build the A-bomb.
From the link in the topic summary I have highlighted some of the NIE conclusions:
In our judgment, only an Iranian political decision to abandon a nuclear weapons objective would plausibly keep Iran from eventually producing nuclear weapons—
(There is no barrier that would prevent Iran from getting an A-bomb)
E. We do not have sufficient intelligence to judge confidently whether Tehran is willing to maintain the halt of its nuclear weapons program indefinitely while it weighs its options, or whether it will or already has set specific deadlines or criteria that will prompt it to restart the program.
(Tehran WAS trying to build an A-bomb - but we cannot be sure when they will restart their A-bomb program.)
G. We judge with high confidence that Iran will not be technically capable of producing and reprocessing enough plutonium for a weapon before about 2015.
(That is only 8 years from now.)
I just found this excellent analysis from noted liberal Alan Dershowitz:
Whatever the agenda and whatever the motive this report (NIE) may well go down in history as one of the most dangerous, misguided and counterproductive intelligence assessments in history. It may well encourage the Iranians to move even more quickly in developing nuclear weapons. If the report is correct in arguing that the only way of discouraging Iran from developing nuclear weapons is to maintain international pressure, then the authors of the report must surely know that they have single-handedly reduced any incentive by the international community to keep the pressure up.
If Neville Chamberlain weren’t long dead I would wonder whether he had a hand in writing this “peace in our time” intelligence fiasco.
I wish the intelligence assessment were correct. So does most of the media, which accepted its naïve conclusion with uncritical enthusiasm. The world would be a far safer place if Iran had indeed ended its efforts to develop deliverable nuclear weapons. But wishing for a desirable outcome does not make it so. Pretending that a desirable outcome is happening, when the best information indicates that it’s not, only encourages the worst outcome.
(Frontpagemag.org - I know that this link comes from a conservative site, but AD is a distinguished liberal with impecable credentials. As a lifelong Democrat and a liberal myself, I am really concerned about the threat of Iran)
Much as I dislike Bush and all his works, I think that in this case Hadley just misspoke. People working for the executive branch don't tell the president to "stand down", it's not how one speaks to a superior (OK, superior in rank, certainly not superior in any other respect).
If, in fact, he did mis-speak, it's defensible for reporters to ignore it. But what the press should really be going after is why the NIE was released in the first place: who forced Bush's hand? Did someone threaten to resign? Who?
What's the surprise? This administration (Bush, Cheney, Rice etc.) tried the same script they used during the run up to Iraq. The intelligence community didn't roll over this time.
Is Bush lying? Of course he is. He was parsing while saber rattling.
Fortunately, this country seems to be coming out of its 9/11 fog and some hard questions are being asked while ignoring those who call questioning our leaders either partisan or unpatriotic.
I am not as pleased as you appear to be, by those "hard questions": Seymour Hersh started publishing and ranting about this NIE more than a year ago, and the Corporate Media remained mute (other than questioning why Hersh hates America), unquestioning as to why Darth Cheney and Bungle continued to suppress the report. Even in this ultimate attempt to resuscitate the reputation of that Media, those questions remain not only unasked, but inconceivable from these "unindicted third parties", the "press".
"Wash. Post and NY Times ignored Hadley's claim and denial that Bush was told to "stand down" upon learning of Iran intel"
You see, this is how you get the press to ignore uncomfortable things you make the mistake of saying. You contradict yoruself, and it gets them confused, so they drop the story.
Only if "you" are one of the Repugnant gang: and only because all the resources that might have been employed to discern wnat WAS said, are instead employed clipping quotes to facilitate lying about non-Repugnants (Democrats, etc.); or inventing conversations with/about Hillary, in order to fill the hot new book about Bill's and Hillary's scandals.
GW translation...
I don't need no stinkin' report! Onward Christian soldiers!
Smoke meet gun.
The NIE “judgment” isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. In 2004 the Iranians had enough yellow cake uranium (37,000 tons) to produce a half dozen nuclear bombs and enough centrifuges sitting on the deck to do the job once they were in place and the bomb-makers had mastered the process (as it was prescribed to them by the Pakistani physicist connection).
It’s fantasy to believe that the Iranians stopped doing it, especially when they made no such claim. On the contrary they poked their middle finger in the EU’s face when the EU tried over a period longer than two years to negotiate with them (that’s the liberal type of negotiation, folks: no ‘stick’ but lots of ‘carrots’).
In addition to that, the Russians built an atomic power plant for them at Bushers (and elsewhere subsequently) from which they merely had to hang on to the spent fuel rods from which they could easily produce a few plutonium type nuclear bombs. Do we really believe the Ruskies recovered the spent fuel rods as they said they would? This has never been verified (shades of the DPRK lies which the Clinton administration was only too happy to swallow in order to keep a happy face on the North Korean situation).
Even the AIEA, the UN”s nuclear “watch kitten”, says the NIE judgment statement is bogus.
No doubt the jihad deny-ers who love this site will not be convinced until a nuke (or two or more) goes off in an American city. We can only pray that the Israelis have the means (they certainly have the gonads) to at least put a huge dent in Ahmajinedad’s nuclear weapons program - because this crap from the NIE is doing exactly what it’s liberal authors in the State Department intended: tie Bush’s hands regarding an all-out strike on Iran’s nuclear assets.
Given that I correctly state the facts, the libs in the State department are no less than a bunch of traitors.OLDMARINE,
Lets presume here for a moment that what you say is correct.......
Are you so weak-minded to believe even for a moment that Iran, as fanatic as their leaders may be would be stupid enough to use them on Isreal or anyone?
Please...... Saddam was a fanatic too but he knew better than to do anything that would upset America.... he wanted his power but he understood his limits! Remember how that turned out....... yeah.... still is!
Iran wants power too, the muhlahs and Ama-dinner-jacket know that if they were to use one anywhere but within there own borders they would lose the support of Russia and China in a heart beat.
If anything, Iran is waiting out to see if Bush/Cheney are as phycho as we hope they are not, to see if they would start a war with them, so China and Russia would be on the side of Iran.
Do you think even for a second that America, by itself could fend that off? Not only that but if we preemtively attack yet another country, who would be willing to stick with us? I doubt even England would want to commit suicide!
Of course, if Bush/Cheney were stupid enough to try it..... there is 70% of this country that would more than likely rather have a Revolution than be killed off forever.....
Add to that, the majority of the military would probably either lay down its arms or take over DC rather than be killed off themselves for a group of lunitic right-wing corporatists!
For an Old Marine, you have a very narrow view of reality.......
Why are you so scared? Could it be the the imbeciles in this administration are so inept that you can't trust them to keep you safe?
I'm more scared of being hit by lightning while being run down by a car than a nuke going off in my town.
It's scared people like you that would willingly give away our freedoms in trade for "security". That/s treasonous.
The AIEA, unlike yourself and this administration, is cautious in their statements. By that I mean they don't let presuppositions cloud their judgement, and they don't make claims, either way, that aren't supported by facts.
I bet it really galls you that they were proved right, and the Bushvicks wrong on Iraq, leading to the fact that they have far more credibility than any agency of our government. I know it bothers me. It also bothers me that this week has shown us, and the world, convincing evidence that the president of Iran has a greater respect for the truth, and the president of Venezuela a greater respect for the rule of law, than the president of the United States.