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Matthews and others on NBC networks have repeatedly linked Clinton to fictional Nurse Ratched

December 07, 2007 11:11 am ET

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SUMMARY: On Hardball, Chris Matthews asked about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), "[D]oes she look like Nurse Ratched here?" referencing a character in Ken Kesey's novel and the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, who has been described as a "scheming, manipulative agent" who "asserts arbitrary control simply because she can." In fact, Matthews and others on programs on NBC, MSNBC, and CNBC have a long history of associating Clinton with Nurse Ratched.

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During the December 4 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews asked about Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY): "So does her attack on him [Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)] for having had ambition as a teeny-bopper -- not a teeny-bopper, a kindergartner, does she look like Nurse Ratched here?" This is not the first time Matthews has referenced Nurse Mildred Ratched, a character in Ken Kesey's novel and in the movie based on the novel, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, when discussing Clinton. In fact, a Media Matters for America Nexis search found that hosts, including Matthews, and guests of programs on NBC, MSNBC, and CNBC have a long history of associating Clinton with Kesey's fictional character, whom Cliff's Notes describes as a "scheming, manipulative agent" who "asserts arbitrary control simply because she can."

Indeed, during the August 9 edition of MSNBC's Tucker, host Tucker Carlson said, "I think we have a picture, actually, of Hillary Clinton in a nursing outfit we're going to put up on the screen in a second." MSNBC then aired a screen shot of actress Louise Fletcher portraying Ratched in the 1975 film adaptation of the novel. Carlson went on to say, "I'm sorry. That's Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. I'm sorry. It must have gotten confused in the files."

From the August 9 edition of MSNBC's Tucker:

Nurse Ratched

Media Matters also found the following comparisons of Clinton to Ratched on programs on the NBC networks:

  • During the February 20, 2005, edition of Hardball, syndicated columnist Kathleen Parker said of Clinton, "It's Nurse Ratched. How about that? Nurse Ratched." Matthews responded, "Nurse Ratched is a great one, the one in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." Parker continued, "She smiles while she's basically twisting the knife, and I think people feel that from Hillary Clinton, whether or not justified. That's what they perceive."
  • The October 11, 2000, edition of NBC's Today and the October 13, 2000, edition of MSNBC's Hardball broadcast an interview with NBC's Lisa Myers during which nationally syndicated radio host Rush Limbaugh said, "I don't see it. I just -- I see Nurse Ratched. I -- when I see Hillary, I feel like I'm in the insane asylum of a hospital, and she's the nurse. And I think that's where she wants me." After Myers responded, "She probably does, given some -- given some of the things you've said about her. It would be understandable," Limbaugh asserted, "No, but that's -- I think she's -- about everybody, Lisa. I think, for the most part, that's how she views people."
  • On the August 3, 1999, edition of Hardball, Matthews asserted, "[Hillary Clinton is] now saying, 'I kept this emotional basket case going all these years, because I'm a good Nurse Ratched, and this is a cuckoo's nest at the White House. But now I'm ready to be off on my own, so elect me as the nurse.'"
  • On the August 2, 1999, edition of Hardball, Matthews asked The New York Observer's Tish Durkin, "[D]o you want to be so disciplined as to propose yourself as the new Nurse Ratched in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? Does [Clinton] really want to play herself as this tough nurse that looked out for this guy who has psychological problems like -- like the Jack Nicholson gu -- character in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest? Nurse Ratched, 'I'm a nurse. I stuck with him because he needed therapy.' " Later, in an interview with Gennifer Flowers on the same episode of Hardball, Matthews asserted, "[N]ow it seems like she's offering herself in a new role, as a kind of a person who's had a therapeutic role in life. Sh -- her job is to take care of a -- a delinquent, someone with psychological problems that she's had to fix or deal with or accept or maintain, or whatever you will, not as particularly a political partner, which was a role she offered up before. You know, for -- you get two for the price of one. Now you get a nurse for the price of the patient, all right? What do you think about her offering herself as Nurse Ratched to -- to the cuckoo's nest here?"

Moreover, references to Nurse Ratched in the context of Hillary Clinton predate the August 3, 1999, edition of MSNBC's Hardball and extend beyond NBC, MSNBC, and CNBC. A June 1, 2000, New York Times editorial observer column by Eleanor Randolph noted "the concentrated effort by so many speakers to depict the first lady as an invading Nurse Ratched":

For the moment, though, Republicans seem united in celebrating a candidate who is not only the anti-Hillary but also the non-Rudy. The G.O.P. leadership is betting that as a candidate who lacks the polarizing features of both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Lazio can command broad if bland swatches of the middle ground. Hence the concentrated effort by so many speakers to depict the first lady as an invading Nurse Ratched. That may work, but a campaign to make Ms. Clinton into a fearsome outsider could also turn Rick Lazio into Ricky Nelson. In such a match, some of those swing voters might wind up going for the more forceful character after all.

Media Matters searched the Nexis news database for instances in which "Nurse Ratched" or "Nurse Ratchet" appeared within 250 words of "Clinton." Media Matters then analyzed each of the 125 news articles, columns, and transcripts to determine whether the writer or speaker brought up Nurse Ratched in talking about Clinton:

  • The first reference to Nurse Ratched in the Nexis database in the context of Clinton appears to have been a July 19, 1994, column by Peter Ruehl that appeared in the Queensland, Australia, Courier-Mail, and the Adelaide, Australia, Advertiser that asserted, "These flight attendants are polite -- to a point -- but if anything strange goes on, they can turn into a combination Nurse Ratched and Hillary Clinton."
  • In an August 31, 1998, "Inside the Beltway" column in The Washington Times, John McCaslin described a hypothetical movie depicting the President Bill Clinton's administration: "Hillary will be played by that actress in 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest' -- Remember Nurse Ratched?"
  • In an October 11, 1998, Newark, New Jersey, Star-Ledger column, Paul Mulshine wrote, "There's a certain gaze Hillary affects when she's up there firing up all those tender-minded people who seek her leadership. And just the other day it finally occurred to me why that look scares me so much. I ran to the photo archives of The Star-Ledger to check out my theory. Sure enough: Hillary Clinton is a dead ringer for Nurse Ratched in the movie One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest." Mulshine further noted that "America has a lot of people who have roughly the same mentality as the bulk of Nurse Ratched's patients. They just want to be taken care of." He later wrote, "These people look to Hillary for leadership. She obliged them by putting her philosophy into a book, It Takes a Village. Her vision of America -- a nice, clean and safe place in which all the little people do their little tasks under the watchful eye of a loving and caring authority -- would also cover Nurse Ratched's mental ward. You'd have to be crazy to enter either one."
  • In a September 25, 2000, New York Post column (subscription required), John Podhoretz wrote, "This is the worst, least inspiring, least interesting, most frustrating political season since the advent of the Great Depression, and for once, it's not entirely fair to blame the candidates for it. They deserve plenty of blame for all sorts of things, no question -- Gore's difficulties with the truth, Bush's difficulties with English, Hillary's difficulties in sounding exactly like Nurse Ratchet, Lazio's difficulties with not saying every 32 seconds that he's a New Yorker."
  • During the August 25, 2005, broadcast of his radio program, as Media Matters documented, Limbaugh said of Clinton, "[M]y favorite name for her is Nurse Ratched."
  • On the May 25, 2006, edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, radio host Roe Conn said of Clinton, "She has the clinical instincts of Nurse Ratched, I think. Not a chance she'll ever become president."
  • In an August 28, 2007, American Spectator online column, David Hogberg wrote of Clinton, "The American people will not elect Nurse Ratched to the Oval Office."

From the December 4 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

MATTHEWS: Well, he wasn't born a politician, I'm amazed. Because that is exactly what Jack Kennedy used to do. He'd report -- he would repeat Nixon's attacks on him and just do it with a little wry smile. And there he is, "I understand she's quoting my kindergarten teacher from Indonesia."

JAMAL SIMMONS (Democratic strategist): Well it was perfect pitch. And you could see for one second he had a little tick-tock, like, "Do I really want to talk about this? No, I don't. This is good enough."

MATTHEWS: But then he did. He quoted her back to her, which was the best shot. So does her attack on him for having had ambition as a teeny-bopper -- not a teeny-bopper, a kindergartner, does she look like Nurse Ratched here?

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    • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 11:17 am ET)
         

      Now why is Matthews not going to be named Worst Person in the World for This? is it because Matthews works at MSNBC and Olbermann is never critical of his own network and that is the reason his rants are nothing more than a partisan hack job?  By the way Clinton is no Nurse Ratchet. 

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      • Author by jawill11 (December 07, 2007 11:19 am ET)
           

        Man, you really do have a thing for Olbermann!

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        • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 11:21 am ET)
             

          No, I have a thing for being consistent, honest and people who say things that mean it for everyone, not Select Outrage.  If Matthews worked for FOX this would be the top story on Countdown with We hate FOX.

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          • Author by jawill11 (December 07, 2007 11:24 am ET)
               

            Sorry, not buying it.  You posted twice about Olbermann in five minutes on two seperate articles that had absolutely nothing to do with him.  The proof is in the pudding.

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            • Author by RoberttheP (December 07, 2007 11:28 am ET)
                 

              The proof is Sueleld is right.

              Olbermann is a partisan hack and is an example of what is so wrong with America and Cable News.

              SAVE DEMOCRACY!!! VOTE INDEPENDENT!! END THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!!!

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              • Author by JLyons (December 07, 2007 11:34 am ET)
                   

                Bob

                We will not see Olbermann cover this or mention this tonight, he only targets FOX and CNN and anyone who is a Republican. MSNBC lost me long ago, they have reached into the gutter they are not fair and are the FOX of the left. I want someone who is fair and not partisan. Sadly today the networks are covered with partisan people. We do however have no one to blame but Roger Ailes, he discovered that partisan news coverage is popular.  I detest it.

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                • Author by achrispage6992 (December 07, 2007 11:45 am ET)
                     

                  JLYONS,

                  That was an excellent post. I find your analysis to be incontravertable. I do however get a kick out of Olbermann. O'Reilly needs a nemesis and he does a great job. As for his partisan show, I see no problem with it simply because he at least does not attempt to tell people that what he is doing is "fair and balanced". SUELD is right though, he is not consistent with people like Matthews.

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                  • Author by nerzog (December 07, 2007 2:04 pm ET)
                       

                    I tend to agree. Yes, Olbermann is one-sided with his criticism, but he offers badly needed balance to the FOX Flying Monkeys. In addition to that, he is the only "pundit" on Cable who consistently holds the Bush Junta's feet to the fire. Matthews does it occasionally, as does Scarborough, but they often veer over to the other side. CNN is hopeless.

                    As for a truly "objective" news source...I fear the days of Walter Cronkite are long gone.

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                  • Author by tex (December 07, 2007 7:03 pm ET)
                       

                    NOBODY on FOX ever criticizes anyone ELSE on FOX, so this IS consistent: Networks and Cable outlets have a "rule" that parallels sports, business, and any other "team" action: You don't run down your own guys.

                    Olbermann is ENTIRELY consistent with the rules FOX follows, so what's the problem? 

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                • Author by DorisRussell (December 07, 2007 11:48 am ET)
                     

                  Wonderfully said JLyons. I agree with you. The status of cable news today makes me cry.

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                • Author by 72Lowball (December 07, 2007 4:53 pm ET)
                     

                  MSNBC is not the Fox of the left.  To imply that is intellectually dishonest.  G.E TV (MSNBC) has vehicles for Tucker Carlson and Joe Scarborough.  Name one show on Fox that's a liberal vehicle???  That's what I thought.  Zip Zero Nada.  Nice Try.  Have a great day.  Go stick your head in the toilet bowl.

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                  • Author by RoberttheP (December 07, 2007 4:55 pm ET)
                       

                    SAVE DEMOCRACY !! VOTE INDEPENDENT!!!!

                    When you have two shows on that constantly tell us how back FOX is and how bad the Republicans are meanwhile they ignore how bad both parties are , it is as bad as FOX. GE Cares about ratings, and the hope is MSNBC will turn itself around.

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                    • Author by 72Lowball (December 07, 2007 5:35 pm ET)
                         

                      Two shows?  K.O is one what's the other?  You said the two shows were constantly telling us how bad Fox News is and how bad the Republicans are.  Fox does get bashed sometimes (and rightfully so), but who it bashing Republicans other than K.O?  Certainly not corporate GOP Lapdog Chris Matthews.

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                    • Author by solon (December 07, 2007 7:01 pm ET)
                         

                      No its not as bad as Fox no where near. It may be somewhat partisan but it isnt all Democratic all the time Fox is in its own league when it comes to dishonesty

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                      • Author by 72Lowball (December 07, 2007 8:28 pm ET)
                           

                        I just don't get how right wingers act as if G.E (a huge polluting corporation that deals in military hardware manufacturing) is run by a bunch of greenpeace hippies.  They have one liberal show and multiple "conservative" shows and somehow that means they have a bias toward Democrats. Absurd.

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                • Author by swift (December 10, 2007 4:28 am ET)
                     

                  Gee, you poor baby. Of course, Hannity always points out example what a loon Cavuto is, right? Oh, but they're both crazy. Well, then, Chris Wallace laughs out loud at that crazy man, O'Reilly, right? No, he doesn't.

                  Probably should. They might have some good debates that way. Well, there was a shouting match between O'Reilly and Geraldo on immigration. More heat than light, but they do agree. All media do that. There's a "brand" that liberals and conservatives and sexual psychos like Matthews share: MSNBC. They don't really criticize each other. The bosses hire each of them, and they think having them argue amongst themselves would degrade the brand. I don't. I'd love Olbermann to put a "worst person in the world" on Matthews when he says that crap.

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              • Author by NiceguyEddie (December 07, 2007 12:18 pm ET)
                   

                First: Olbermann is NOT a hack, but is probably contractually bound NOT to give WPitW to any MSNBC employee other than himself.  (Which he's done on a few occasions, when he discovered mistatments in his reporting.)

                 Second: While I'm backing Obama, here's a little limerick to support your second point:

                There once was a man from Nantucket

                Who wanted to sell me a bucket

                Be he could not because

                There were too many laws

                So he threw up his hands and said...

                VOTE LIBERTARIAN!

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (December 07, 2007 3:22 pm ET)
                   

                The proof is Sueleld is right.

                Sorry HBL but LMAO 

                Bonthep, the proof is that Sueeld is obsessed with Keith. She's not right she's delusional, obsessed, deranged, fixated and strangely attached to Keith.

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                • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 3:32 pm ET)
                     

                  That is my Pearlene, Miss "Personal Attack if I do not like your views".  God you really are a joke.

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                  • Author by worrierking (December 07, 2007 3:44 pm ET)
                       

                    Help us out here.

                    What are your views?

                    I don't mean who or what do you hate, but the positive side, who or what you like.

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                    • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 3:47 pm ET)
                         

                      I don't mean who or what do you hate, but the positive side, who or what you like.

                      I have posted on here long enough to know what I do like. I like diverse opinions, discussions, I like Oprah, I really have fallen in love with Obama.  I like Gwen Ifill, Bill Maher, PBS, I do like Anderson Cooper and Larry King.  Not sure what else you want me to say there is so much to love in this world and I do.

                       

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                      • Author by RoberttheP (December 07, 2007 4:50 pm ET)
                           

                        Sueeld

                        Good for you, I love Bill Maher also, great !!!

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                      • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2007 6:35 pm ET)
                           

                        By God!  She can talk about someone or something else!

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                      • Author by dunstvangeet (December 08, 2007 3:06 am ET)
                           

                        Then take a look at what Bill Moyer had on his journal tonight.  It was quite a good analysis of what the media has been saying about Clinton.

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                        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 09, 2007 2:34 am ET)
                             

                          dunst, I commented on Moyers Journal on another thread.I hope it's rerun or available on-line.very interesting hour of tv.

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                  • Author by solon (December 07, 2007 5:14 pm ET)
                       

                    No Sue YOU are a joke and one that isnt funny. Olbermania my be a treatable disorder please seek professional help  before you bore us into a coma. Also spare us another round of how FAIR you are and your snivelling about people who attack you the same way you attack other people.  You are tiresome we are all sorry your fantasy Keith didnt call you back time to get over it

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                • Author by Lynn (December 07, 2007 4:42 pm ET)
                     

                  Amen Pearl!!!

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                • Author by RoberttheP (December 07, 2007 4:49 pm ET)
                     

                  SAVE DEMOCRACY!! VOTE INDEPENDENT!!! END THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!!!

                  Pearlene, it is not nice to call people names.

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                  • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (December 07, 2007 7:35 pm ET)
                       

                    Bobthep, It would have been name calling if I had called her a loony or nutter than a fruitcake.

                    Sueeld's has an obsession with Keith. That is simply a fact.

                    Matthews has been making nasty remarks against Hillary for quite a long time and Keith has said before that he will not respond to what other people on his network say unless they get fired. I get it and I can't think of another journalist or show that WOULD say something about a fellow co-worker. Sueeld knows this but whenever there is an opportunity or even when there isn't one, she brings up three things, Keith, WPITW and hate. She adds NOTHING more than that. It's way past old.

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                    • Author by Brabantio (December 08, 2007 6:49 am ET)
                         

                      That's exactly right.   She adds nothing but obsession, hypocrisy, and highly confused antagonism.

                      Meanwhile, you write substantive and insightful posts, and make actual arguments.  Sue could learn a lot from you.  For her to call anyone a joke is beyond hypocritical. 

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                    • Author by RoberttheP (December 08, 2007 7:34 am ET)
                         

                      Pearlene Scott

                      I do not know you, i have read some of your posts and you seem to always make intelligent posts with lots of facts and personal opinions, i thought when you called her deranged that was a namecalling event.  You are not a doctor so you do not know if she is deranged?  Anyway I understand may of us here are partisan and hate any criticism of the left,. I like Sue Eld, she seems to understand that for America to move on we need to stop pitting people against people and cable network shows on fox, MSNBC are prime examples of this. Just the Nurse Ratchet statement is a perfect example of how the division is glorified. This would never of happened 20 years ago . 

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                      • Author by solon (December 09, 2007 6:16 pm ET)
                           

                        I think you misread Sueld. I do NOT see her as anywhere near fair. She has no problem attacking us. Nor attacking Olbermann every other post even when he isnt even NEAR the topic. As to your point, I think it misses something. The left was silent for a looooong time while the Limbaughs and Hannities were attacking us constantly. What came of that wasnt a raising of the level of dialogue but the left called weak. Do you think for ONE SECOND that if the left shuts up the right will stop with their hatefilled attacks on us? Because if you dont think so then what you are asking for, and what Sue disengenuously asks for is unilateral disarmament. As I have said before a person in the interests of keeping the peace MIGHT take a slap but when that slap becomes a constant and ongoing pummelling its time to fight back. Until the rightwing reins in the Limbuaghs, Savages, and Coulters any lessening of the partisan attacks by the left is nothing short of surrender to THEM. Surrendering the public voice, the conventional wisdom, the framing of the debate. It allows them to define us in a way that is flat out suicidal. Sue TALKS about being fair but do you see her constantly attack Savage and Coulter thread after thread? No you dont, is there ANY standard by which THEY are not much worse than Olbermann? No there isnt. What Sue is doing is an ILLUSION of fairness, TALKING about how she only attacks the left to be FAIR but without a commensurate attack on the right. IT isnt anywhere NEAR fair it is trying to APPEAR fair. I think Pearlene is RIGHT and I KNOW she is a MUCH better poster on her worst day than Sue has EVER been.

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                • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 08, 2007 12:14 am ET)
                     

                  pearlene, was that for me? I hadn't even posted on this thread.If I wanted to get blamed for crap that happens when I'm not even around, I'd just go to work. ;0)

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                  • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (December 08, 2007 5:35 am ET)
                       

                    Hey Mister Manley Man, you're just being blamed for my LMAO. You told me to watch it but I just can't. Some things are too funny and Sueeld being right is one of them.

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                    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 09, 2007 2:39 am ET)
                         

                      I figured it out, Pearlene. I only said that I don't throw around the "LOL"s that freely, wasn't bagging on your use.You must realize I'm much too manly to spend my time worrying about other peoples cyber-abbreviations.

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            • Author by Missouri Democrat (December 08, 2007 11:30 am ET)
                 

              Jawill it seems here lately that Sueeld can not let a thread go by without mentioning Keith Olbermann in some way or another, even if it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the subject of the thread. I think her obsession with KO has gotten out of hand.

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              • Author by jawill11 (December 09, 2007 4:54 pm ET)
                   

                I normally don't care what someone else posts here, I just skip over comments that don't interest me.  But, I was so shocked by Sue's post here and in the O'Reilly thread within minutes of each other only to bring up KO.  And this was just a few days after the discussion on another thread about her (?) obsession.  I was unable to stop myself from mentioning it.  

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      • Author by Brabantio (December 07, 2007 11:41 am ET)
           

        If the article is about someone on an NBC station, then you post saying that they won't be the worst person in the world.  If it's someone not on an NBC station, then you postulate that they will be named the worst person in the world.

        So you can be sure to be able to mention Olbermann on any thread, no matter what.  What a great insight you provide here.

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      • Author by RABBITLUVR (December 07, 2007 12:20 pm ET)
           

        I will say that Matthews deserves at least a bronze for this one. He really is being repulsive quite a bit lately. 'Third World' and now this?

        What's going on, Chrissy - did management pull you into The Office and tell you to boost those sagging ratings?

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        • Author by swift (December 10, 2007 4:44 am ET)
             

          Want to know the truth? He was among the mob of supposedly "liberal" or "objective" journalists -- at least they call him that, not always unjustifiedly -- who sometimes is okay, but other times is completely crazy. He did say a few things against Iraq on the way to war. But then he acts like a total goof during the invasion. He practically swoons over the "Mission Impossible" moment. Then, when it's safe to do so, he brings out the Iraq criticisms again. I think it's fair to say that he was among the most virulent of the spreaders of lies about Gore, and Big Dems are not going to get a fair shake from him. And Hillary? He's obviously nuts on the subject of Hillary. He's spent the last year slandering the woman, spreading the "she's ineffectual... she's needs total control... she lies..." stories that seems so necessary to him. In the case of Hillary, I think he's crazy with regard to women. They're ALL Nurse Ratched to that crazy Irish Catholic nutbar, and being raised in that culture, I know of which I speak.

          During this time, he, Russert and the Keith Williams have done their best to gang up on Hillary and proclaim her "shaky." At the same time, he's developed a huge mancrush on Obama. He's RFK! It's 1968! (That's what he says. Really. That didn't turn out well, Chris, remember?) And he never talks about his policies, he talks about him in romantic terms -- what a great guy he is -- why? We don't know. Of course, he's not the kind of person who would say or do anything to win, like Gore. Or Hillary. Or Bill. Or -- and I think this is the important part -- anybody who has actually won as a Democrat. He's contemptible. As nuts in his own way as Glenn Beck.

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      • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2007 12:53 pm ET)
           

        Noun, verb, Olbermann.  Lather, rinse, repeat.

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      • Author by solon (December 07, 2007 4:45 pm ET)
           

        Just send your naked photo emails to Keith and get over it. Your obsession is so boring its coma inducing

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      • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (December 07, 2007 5:43 pm ET)
           

        You can bet if the powers-that-be at NBC had Olbermann on a short leash concerning Imus (at least according to what Olbermann said during the nappy-headed Rutgers affair) they are also asking him to hold back on criticism of Matthews, Russert et. al.

        That's just the way the game is played.

        If you're really concerned about this write NBC News.

        I'm sure they'll be able to answer all of your questions better than any of us ever could.

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    • Author by Clevenative (December 07, 2007 11:24 am ET)
         

      So now Matthews is stealing his material from that funny guy, Tucker? If I wanted sophmoric humor, I'd slip in an American Pie DVD.

      OK - Now can we get on with the real issues, guys?

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    • Author by tommy (December 07, 2007 11:27 am ET)
         

      Obama handled this ridiculous "kindergarten" thing deftly and appropriately.  What an head-scratcher from Hillary, one would expect a little more smarts from her than this - Obama must be really getting to her.

      Nurse Ratched-lite may be a better descriptor.  

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      • Author by JLyons (December 07, 2007 11:31 am ET)
           

        Looks like she is really scared of Obama, I really like Obama . I am not suprised Matthews is spewing his venom toward Clinton, he has never liked her. But in the end she will win of lose because of herself, not Chris Matthews.

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      • Author by (December 07, 2007 2:12 pm ET)
           

        I think Chris Matthews handled the "kindergarten" thing for Obama by not mentioning the 5 or 6 other reasons why Obama has had his sites on the Oval office his whole life. The Kindergarten reason was just the last item in the list. It  was  dumb of Hillary to include it because she should have known idiots like Matthews would have pounced on it. Also, what's wrong with any canditate having a life long goal of becoming president. The media concerns itself with the dumbest things.

        By the way Tommy, is comparing Hillary to Nurse Ratched part of our great process of finding the best qualified President? I would say CM is trying to vilify her. Do you agree?

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        • Author by tommy (December 07, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
             

          Chris Matthews is in the talk show business where people bat around their opinions and offer punditry and take on all things political. 

          If you want serious, humorless and robotic political analysis, I suggest you go to C-Span, they do it there very well.  Matthews' role and his function are far different.  Somedays he pisses off Democrats, other days Republicans.  Oh well. 

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          • Author by JLyons (December 07, 2007 2:29 pm ET)
               

            Tommy I agree with you Matthews does target Republicans like in the Scotter Libby deal. For anyone to suggest he is a partisan bothers me. It is just not true.  I have issues with Matthews because I think he has selectively targeted Hillary but I think its not political to him its personality.

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            • Author by tommy (December 07, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
                 

              J,

              Matthews is an equal opportunity arrow-thrower.  He may skewer some more than others, but it's strictly his opinion on his show.  To read it here you'd think his only targets are poor Democrats, and that is false.

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            • Author by (December 07, 2007 4:18 pm ET)
                 

              I agree it is personal with him. He hates Hillary. And no, he doesn't come near to attacking Republicans like he did when he went after Gore and the way he's going after Hillary. I think Matthews does some fine work with regards to the war and some other issues (note the word "issues"), and he will go after Republicans on some issues (note the word "issues"). But nothing like he does with Hillary (and the way he did with Gore). And don't dismiss this Tommy as just harmless opinion. It has an impact on how people vote. Proof is campaign 2K.

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              • Author by tommy (December 07, 2007 5:18 pm ET)
                   

                Many factors have an impact on the way people vote, both for and against Democrats and Republicans.  Considering the only vote I can control is my own, then my focus is what impacts me, and leave others to do the same for themselves.

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                • Author by (December 07, 2007 5:43 pm ET)
                     

                  That's good, and that's how people should vote. But I think many out there are highly influenced by the crap they hear in the media. I think many in the media try to select the candidate we should vote for, instead of helping us decide who to vote for.

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                  • Author by tommy (December 07, 2007 5:57 pm ET)
                       

                    I don't disagree.  We are bombarded with campaign stuff all the time now, the election is almost a year away and turn on cable news and you'd think it was tomorrow.  But alot of that is the upcoming primary season and all the $$$ it takes to run nowadays.  

                    One good thing is we have access to so many avenues for information now that if we dig enough we can educate ourselves and make an informed choice, if we so choose.

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            • Author by swift (December 10, 2007 4:56 am ET)
                 

              No, he's not political. His Prozac is.

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          • Author by Clevenative (December 09, 2007 10:48 pm ET)
               

            I agree with you Tommy - and maybe I just can't take a joke - escpecially when it's on me or somthing or someone I like or support. LOL

            Then again, I was never one for cartoons, comedies, or sci-fi. Not that I never watch them, but I'd rather watch a good drama or even a documentary - and yes, I DO watch too much C-Span. (I watched the entire JFK speach and press conference regarding his Catholicism the other night. (That man had it goin' for him.))

            I know I'm a newbie around here - and not the esiest guy to "get". But please take my excentricities with a grain of salt.

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      • Author by swift (December 10, 2007 4:54 am ET)
           

        It was no head scratcher. It was a joke, as you can tell if you read it and actually have a sense of humor. Obama had been going along with the mass media line that "Hillary is some kind of crazily ambitious woman who would do ANYTHING to be elected." Of course, the noble Obama just recently decided he'd have to ride to the rescue. Horse pucky. Certainly by the time of law school, he was saying to friends that he wanted to be president. Hillary's people weren't saying that was a bad thing, it isn't. I bet most people who end up president have thought about it, sometimes from very young. They were just pointing out that he was saying something about himself that wasn't true. Now obviously, they made up the kindergarten stuff as a joke. In normal times, people might have been disposed to laugh at it. Now, of course, all the very serious people in the press see everything her campaign does as sinister. They should have realized that a sense of humor was not going to play when so many big players are resolved to lie about her like they lied about Gore. This is like the Naomi Wolf lie, or the "earth tones." Stupid gossips in the press have decided to slander someone. Why? I have no idea. I don't understand what the press does anymore, ever since they went 24/7 about those two figure skaters back in the early '90s. I think we need to have these so-called "news" operations go bankrupt. It would make people smarter.

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    • Author by devin80 (December 07, 2007 11:32 am ET)
         

      This is all typical anti-Hillary crap from Chris "My Ratings suck" Matthews. Matthews is known to be a pro Obama and pro Giuliani, BS artist, who hates Hillary Clinton and has tried (and failed miserably) to attack her for years. Unfortunately for Chrissy, his attacks just make her more likeable...after all, if Chris Matthews hates you, you must be doing something right.

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      • Author by JLyons (December 07, 2007 11:35 am ET)
           

        I am not so sure, he hates Dick Cheney and Dick Cheney is doing nothing right.

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        • Author by DorisRussell (December 07, 2007 11:47 am ET)
             

          It is very easy to hate Dick Cheney, most Americans do. Don Imus calls him a "War Criminal" but that does not mean Don Imus is a good person on political issues. Matthews tends to take the easy targets and has had a thing for Senator Clinton for many years.

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      • Author by achrispage6992 (December 07, 2007 11:48 am ET)
           

        It's rather hard to make Hillary "more likeable" in my opinion, of course. She exudes manipulation and partisanship to the detriment of the party. She is the best chance the GOP has to keep the White House.

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        • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 11:55 am ET)
             

          She is the best chance the GOP has to keep the White House.

          I disagree, I think they are scared of her, she has beaten them before.

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          • Author by achrispage6992 (December 07, 2007 12:27 pm ET)
               

            Why do you think she chose New York for her senate run?

            I don't buy your logic, I think she is far too polarizing of a figure to garner the independent vote needed to win the White House. She won't win a single southern state and until the Democratic Party can do that the GOP will own the White House. I would point to Bill Clinton to validate that.

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            • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 1:42 pm ET)
                 

               She won't win a single southern state and until the Democratic Party can do that the GOP will own the White House.

              If Rudy gets the nomination, the South will look at her she is more "Southern" than Rudy.

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              • Author by JLyons (December 07, 2007 2:31 pm ET)
                   

                Sueeld

                You do make a great point about Rudy, I think there will be tough times for him to win in the South , we have a long way to go and Hillary can play the Southern girl very well. 

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            • Author by jawill11 (December 07, 2007 2:25 pm ET)
                 

              I would say that your southern analysis is only partly true.  It really is a combo of the south and midwest.  Those two regions used to both be solidly Republican, and having both of them could cancel out the northeast and the west.  But, as the midwest becomes both more democratic and more populous, the south becomes more and more irrelevent.  If a dem wins the east, west, great lakes, and at least half of the midwest (which is very likely in 2008), the whole south could go to the republican and it would still be a blowout. 

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    • Author by pbg (December 07, 2007 12:03 pm ET)
         

      They're electing her.

      There are millions upon millions of women out there who aren't all that politically engaged, but who would like to see a woman in the White House. They may not even like Hillary all that much, but seeing these news commentators in full blown castration panic shrieking "She's a harpy! She cackles! She's a cold, calculating controlling b___! She's Nurse Ratched!" they're going to shift right over to her side. Maybe not even consciously, but they'll identify.

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      • Author by achrispage6992 (December 07, 2007 12:29 pm ET)
           

        We'll see. I don't see her gettng the independent vote because she is too polarizing and much too easy to portray as an outright socialist. Middle America won't have that nor will the south. Nominating her spells doom for the party.

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      • Author by BillJ-MN (December 07, 2007 3:29 pm ET)
           

        There are millions upon millions of women out there who aren't all that politically engaged, but who would like to see a woman in the White House.

        For instance, there's Gennifer Flowers.

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    • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 12:34 pm ET)
         

      Oh big frigin deal...

      Some [including Hillary] have referred to Dick Cheney as Darth Vader. So calling Hillary Nurse Ratched is no better or worse.

      This ain't that important.

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      • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2007 12:57 pm ET)
           

        So the media is no more liberal than it is conservative.

        Thanks for clearing that up. 

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        • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 1:07 pm ET)
             

          So the media is no more liberal than it is conservative.

          Exactly. That's what I've been saying for the 3 years I've posted here.

          There's no clear bias one way or the other.

          Now I know you don't believe that, but perhaps I'm a tad more open-minded than you?

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          • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2007 1:11 pm ET)
               

            If only there were more of you and a few of them had radio shows.

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          • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2007 1:12 pm ET)
               

            BTW, Hillary is not a member of the media. 

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            • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 2:03 pm ET)
                 

              BTW, Hillary is not a member of the media.  

              True Pete. But did you hear a huge uproar from the MSM when she said it? Or even a peep? It just kinda came & went without comment.

              Now Hannity or Rush might have had a meltdown over it, though I don't recall hearing anything.

              And while these remarks are a bit childish, I don't think it's a huge deal.

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              • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2007 2:09 pm ET)
                   

                And I'm sorry if I appeared to lump you into the "media is all liberal" crowd.  Keeping track of every poster's views on every issue is not something I've made a priority out of.

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                • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 2:18 pm ET)
                     

                  No problem Pete. We all assume things here from time to time. For instance I assumed most here were Hillary supporters, & found out that wasn't always the case.

                  I do wish the Dems had gotten behind either Biden or Dodd. I would have voted for either one.

                  If the Dems nominate Hillary, I will be forced to vote Republican...

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                  • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 2:45 pm ET)
                       

                    I do wish the Dems had gotten behind either Biden or Dodd. I would have voted for either one.

                    Those two make my skin crawl, for me Obama is the best choice

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                    • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 2:53 pm ET)
                         

                      Sue,

                      I like Obama too, but I think when all is said & done Hillary will win the nomination.

                      Biden & Dodd are the "grownups" among the Dems & could provide the leadership this country so desperately needs. IMO.

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                      • Author by Sueelldd (December 07, 2007 3:00 pm ET)
                           

                        Good points, I feel Dodd and Biden are part of the old crowd and part of the problem.

                        Obama is someone who is fresh , new and maybe can change things IMO.

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                      • Author by solon (December 07, 2007 7:16 pm ET)
                           

                        They are both way too corporate. Dodd is good on civil rights issues but terrible on globalization and labor. Biden is a smart man good on foriegn policy issues at least knowlegable but terrible on consumer rights issues. Both are big time corporate lackeys and they are not going to get much liberal support. The only reason Hillary gets any is she is the frontrunner. It isnt like they are the grownups in the group just because they are moderate. Kucinich may be too liberal for you but has SHOWN he is a grownup he has SHOWN political courage throughout his career. I dont see how you can portray Obama as not being grownup. I dont like Guiliani or Romney but I am not saying they are kids. I actually like Huccabee I just disagree with him on most issues. Its silly to portray candidates as not being grown up only because you disagree with them on policy issues.

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                        • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 8:43 pm ET)
                             

                          I dont see how you can portray Obama as not being grownup.

                          Solon, my use of "grownups" was in reference to experience. Both Biden & Dodd have been in politics/government a lot longer than the Dems top 3 candidates Clinton, Obama & Edwards. And no I don't count Hillary being the spouse of Bill Clinton as "experience".

                          And I do like both Biden & Dodd because they, like myself, are more moderate.

                          Now of course experience doesn't necessarily equal superiority, and as I wrote in another post I would back Obama if he somehow wrestled the nomination from Hillary.

                          I do admire Dennis Kucinich, though he is too Left for me.

                          I won't vote for Rudy or Huckabee.

                          I'm not crazy about Romney or McCain, but if either is the nominee against Hillary they would get my vote.

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              • Author by Lynn (December 07, 2007 5:50 pm ET)
                   

                Jeter,Dodd and Biden are not my cup of tea and I could never get behind those two DC wax works. I don't support them for the same reason I'm not behind H. Clinton. The old guard needs to go, we need to clean house baby! Moreover, the system is rigged and I get no say in who the Democratic nominee is anyway. By the time they get to my state (MD) the decision is pretty much over. Other states select for me, and I’m really really pissed about that. I'm usually voting for my second or third choice. I’ll probably end up like Pearl said holding my nose and pushing the Clinton button. So which crazy Repub do you think you’re going gonna end up voting for? (smile) I also want you to think back to the days that you pulled that lever for the craziest most incompetent president that ever lived; ya don’t wanna go there again.

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                • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 6:06 pm ET)
                     

                  Hey Lynn,

                  My reasons for finding Biden & Dodd acceptable is that I think both would be able, because of experience mostly, be ready to govern from Day 1. And I don't see either being as polarizing as Hillary. Hey I liked Bill, but Hillary is no Bill, & quite frankly I don't want to go backwards. Been there, done that.

                  If Obama somehow gets the nomination, I'll be backing him. The guy may lack a long resume & experience, but he's intelligent and does bring something new & refreshing to the table. There is something about him that does remind me of JFK...and I guess I can see the torch being passed to him, and it makes me feel hopeful for our nations future.

                  If Hillary is the Dem nominee, the only Republicans I'd consider voting for are Romney or McCain. If Rudy or Gomer Huckabee Pyle get the nod, I will sit the election out.

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      • Author by snoopy (December 07, 2007 2:58 pm ET)
           

        I actually had to think hard about the nurse ratched thing. It's been a long time since I saw "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" and pretty much forgot all about it. I'm thinking this is gonna fly over the heads of a lot of people.

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        • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 3:37 pm ET)
             

          Snoop,

          True story [and off-topic], but at Thanksgiving I was chatting with my niece who is a sophomore in college & politics came up & I said something about Rush Limbaugh...and she said she'd never heard of him!! :-O

          So yeah Nurse Ratched is probably better known by us oldies but goodies ;-)

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          • Author by anotheramerican (December 07, 2007 5:12 pm ET)
               

            Jeter,

            Some people might consider that a plus for your niece. :-)  Unfortunately there are many young people out there who are not at all interested in politics and/or history. 

            I have two nieces, one in seventh grade, the other a sophomore in high school, who this past 4th of July could not answer from which country we declared independence. 

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            • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 5:38 pm ET)
                 

              AA,

              It never fails to boggle my mind on how the kids out there aren't in tune with anything but their IPods ;-)

              The sad thing about my niece is that she's a Communications major & is going to minor in Political Science!! I think Rush would be crushed if he knew the youngins weren't aware of his existence.

              But Rush aside, it is sad that a lot of the younger generation is basically clueless about History...wanna bet most kids didn't know what today was? Or have even heard of Pearl Harbor? Sad.

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          • Author by U NO HOO (December 08, 2007 11:43 am ET)
               

            "Rush Limbaugh...and she said she'd never heard of him!! :-O"

             

            So you told her Rush Limbaugh is running the country? 

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    • Author by pete592 (December 07, 2007 12:55 pm ET)
         

      More anti-Hill swill courtesy of your "liberal" media.

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    • Author by notanotherconservative2254 (December 07, 2007 1:01 pm ET)
         

      Matthews and others on NBC networks have repeatedly linked Clinton to fictional Nurse Ratched

      I'm brand new to this site, so I'm not sure what to make of this topic.  I mean, yes, Matthews and others did make a comparison of Hillary to Nurse Ratched.  Are we supposed to make something out of this? Is there something wrong?  

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    • Author by Limit Corp. Ownership (December 07, 2007 1:12 pm ET)
         

      Two filthy corporate punks...

      Sh*tting on America

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    • Author by anotheramerican (December 07, 2007 1:19 pm ET)
         

      Does that make Bill - McMurphy?  :-)

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    • Author by atheist (December 07, 2007 2:42 pm ET)
         

      Sue, you know you're posting too much when people open up the threads thinking "I'll bet Sue has puked out the #1 post".  And sho 'nuff, you didn't disappoint us.

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    • Author by Cannonball (December 07, 2007 3:06 pm ET)
         

      The fact is that no woman politician is going to measure up for most men.  Clinton has a long and terrible history with conservatives because they haven't been able to bury and forget her, even after impeaching her husband (deservedly, not for the sex but for being so damned stupidly inept not to see it coming).  Why do they want her to fail?  Because, first, she is a liberal, second, she is undaunted by their weak-minded logic and lazy unsophistication, and third, she gets in the mud when necessary and never has to even hold her nose.  

      The Clintons are both gifted politicians, liars, and self-deluded.  All attributes necessary to win the presidency in today's twisted marketplace of non-ideas (not to say that they don't have ideas - they just don't matter until you are in office). 

      The real problem is we, and by choice, our media, make it so difficult for a balanced educated person with actual faults and real mistakes to even think about running for national office.  So we demand that they be liars, conniving and self-serving.  We get what we want, flash over substance or trained liars who, once elected, show their true colors, both good or bad.

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      • Author by anotheramerican (December 07, 2007 4:02 pm ET)
           

        Cannon,

        I wonder if you are projecting your own feelings. I  cannot speak for every other man, but I have no problem supporting the candidacy of any woman, man, of any skin color, or any religion, or any orientation if I agree with their policy positions.  

        Having said that I found your critique of the voters getting what they want, pretty interesting and worthy of deliberation. 

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        • Author by Cannonball (December 07, 2007 4:32 pm ET)
             

          Of course, I'm projecting my own opinions.  Did I cite a study?  Not that I couldn't, because they are out there.  Nevertheless, we can keep going as we are, with too few voters exercising their democratic right, rampant misinformation on matters that really concern us, massive waste of media time on matters that do not, or we can reform campaign laws so money matters less than ideas, eliminate laws that support encumbancy, and require truth from our elected officials rather than misinformation.  How? turn off the radio and tv pundits, tune in only to sources that give balanced editorials and deliver news based upon research and not hype.

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (December 07, 2007 7:59 pm ET)
           

        Cannon, well said except Hillary's no liberal.

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        • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 9:19 pm ET)
             

          Hillary's no liberal

          She's no Conservative either. Nor would I even describe her as a Centrist. Hillary is simply Politically Expedient.

          Lacking core principles or beliefs she is ruled by Polls & whatever the popular political flavor of the month is.

          This is why she gave Bush the OK to take us into Iraq. At the time the public was still rallying around the flag & Bush.

          This is a person who will say or do anything to gain power.

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    • Author by edella1793 (December 07, 2007 3:17 pm ET)
         

      What exactly is the misinformation here. People have been comparing Hillary to Nurse Ratched since 1994. These are opinions. If they were saying that she actually played the role in the movie then that would not be true. This thread doesn't belong here.

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    • Author by right-winger (December 07, 2007 3:33 pm ET)
         

      DON'T MIND THE RIGHT-WINGERS TODAY THEY ARE UPSET WITH THE GREAT SPEECH KEITH GAVE ON THAT LIAR BUSH LAST NIGHT!! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK KEITH. AS FOR MATTHEWS HE HAS HAD IT BUTT UP IN THE REPUBLICANS PARTY SINCE 2000.

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      • Author by jeter2 (December 07, 2007 3:41 pm ET)
           

        Excuse me CAPS, but did you used to post here years ago as BOLINK?

        That poster used ALL CAPS & screamed a lot. 

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        • Author by right-winger (December 08, 2007 7:29 am ET)
             

          HEY JETER2 NO I'AM NOT BOLINK BUT WHAT YOU SEE EVERYDAY ON THE SO CALLED LIBERAL MEDIA KISSING UP TO THIS WHITE HOUSE AND REPUBLICAN PARTY YOU HAVE TO GET UP SET. AND THANK GOD FOR MEDIA MATTER, HUFFINGTONPOST, DEMOCRACYNOW, AND KEITH FOR TELLING US THE OTHER SIDE THAT YOUR RIGHT-WING MEDIA WON'T DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • Author by dunstvangeet (December 08, 2007 3:23 am ET)
         

      And yet it's alright for media members to call Hillary Clinton, "Bitch".  Look at Bill Moyer's Journal (PBS) that aired today.  It lays out a pretty convincing case.

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      • Author by RoberttheP (December 08, 2007 7:38 am ET)
           

        SAVE DEMOCRACY !! VOTE INDEPENDENT!! END THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM!!

        No it is not nice to call her that, did anyone on this thread say it was? She is a former First Lady and Senator and deserves respect. However the two party system has sucked "Respect" out of the process. The Cable news media is majorly responsible, to dismiss that is denial.

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        • Author by dunstvangeet (December 09, 2007 6:02 pm ET)
             

          Conservatives have no problem with calling her "bitch".  Remember, "How do we stop that bitch." was asked to John McCain.  Instead of admonishing the question's asker, he tried to unsuccessfully refrase it.  Remember, conservatives actually laughed at that question.

          Actually Watch "Bill Moyer's Journal" from this last week.  It does a pretty good job of describing what's been happening in the attacks on Hillary Clinton.

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    • Author by Oleta (December 08, 2007 10:37 am ET)
         

      Thank you!  The "free thinking" hippy men loved the portrayal of nurse Ratchet.  They cheered when Jack Nicholson's character grabbed her breasts as a sign of his freedom.  The characterization of Hillary Clinton has embodied this surpressed sexism.  I'm NOT talking about the criticism of her policies, but the character Mathews et al have created as their personal punching bag. 

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (December 08, 2007 1:48 pm ET)
         

      I will accept a candidate terming anyone against whom the candidate campaigns, "Darth Vader", when:

      1) that is such an accurate and succinct description of the essential creature campaigned against, or at least a bowdlerized version of that character, as it truly is for Cheney; 2) the candidate issuing the attack is prepared to expand/expound upon the attack for publication; 3) the Corporate Media refrains from echoing one's attacks in preference to another's.

      Calling Cheney "Darth Vader" certainly passes the first test, especially the substitution of "Darth Vader", who had some redeeming characteristics, for "evil incarnate", which might be equally true.

      Senator Clinton has not run from the words, and has routinely and voluntarily cited disturbing truths about Cheney to support the words. [ Disclosure: I don't support Senator Clinton except against the Repugnants and the Corporate Media. ]

      Part three is less convincing: much of the Media has spent far more time inventing their own slurs against Senator Clinton, than to popularize her characterization of our sitting Vice President - and they have no right to be inventing and publishing such slurs, since they are not on the ballot. However, the role they do serve is to relieve this Bungle and his nefarious staff from taking the heat of themselves engaging in battle, even just this political exchange of words and with a "mere woman", at that.  

      Conclusion: another reason to scuttle the stranglehold of the Corporate Media on creation, dissemination, even participation in, journalism, analysis, and opinion. Certainly sufficient reason to exert ourselves to stop the runaway FCC scheme to mandate even greater concentration of media, squeezing out the last vestiges of community, of independence, of diversity.

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      • Author by conleytgwinn (December 09, 2007 9:57 pm ET)
           

        Oh, and the reason that "Darth Vader" quip was not greeted by a firestorm in the press?

        Simply, were this example of Senator Clinton's ability to define the essence of the VP, and the Repugnant administration so aptly, to be discussed in the Corporate Media, at least 70% of the potential electorate would applaud, acknowledging her willingness to exchange sharp words and the veracity of the metaphor. No way are the Corporate Media going to donate free campaign ads to even the Corporatist Clinton campaign - those are reserved for Repugnant Swift-Boating of Democrats.  

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