Ignoring polling to the contrary, Ignatius asserted there's a "nagging uneasiness" about having both Clintons back in the White House
SUMMARY: Washington Post columnist David Ignatius asserted of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign: "[V]oters are grappling with the unusual questions that would surround her presidency. And the most important of these is the 'two presidents' problem. Whatever you think of the Clintons, it's hard to get your mind around having a current and former president in the White House." But a September 27-30 Washington Post/ABC News poll found that 60 percent of respondents said they "personally feel comfortable ... with the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House." And in several other 2007 polls, a majority of respondents stated that Bill Clinton is an asset to Hillary Clinton's campaign or would have a positive effect on a Hillary Clinton administration.
In his December 9 column, headlined "Hillary's Ex Factor: The 'Two Presidents' Issue Isn't Going Away," Washington Post columnist David Ignatius asserted of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) presidential campaign: "[V]oters are grappling with the unusual questions that would surround her presidency. And the most important of these is the 'two presidents' problem. Whatever you think of the Clintons, it's hard to get your mind around having a current and former president in the White House." Ignatius added, "[T]here's still a nagging uneasiness about having these two complicated Clintons back together at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave." He concluded: "The 'two presidents' issue isn't a disqualifier, in my view. But it does need to be talked about. It matters to the country, and it's not going to go away." In fact, polling does not support Ignatius' suggestion that "the country" is afflicted with "a nagging uneasiness about having these two complicated Clintons back" in the White House. As Media Matters for America has noted, a September 27-30 Washington Post/ABC News poll found that 60 percent of respondents said they "personally feel comfortable ... with the idea of Bill Clinton back in the White House."
Indeed, an October 4 Washington Post article reported, "Former president Bill Clinton has emerged as a clear asset in his wife's campaign for the White House, with Americans offering high ratings to his eight years in office and a solid majority saying they would be comfortable with him as first spouse, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll." Moreover, the article also noted that "Americans said they would not regard the election of" Hillary Clinton "as simply the resumption of her husband's presidency. Instead, two-thirds said she would take her presidency in a different direction, and half of all Americans said they believed that would be a good development. About half of those who said it would be a resumption described that as positive."
In addition to the September 27-30 Post/ABC poll, Media Matters has previously documented several other 2007 polls in which a majority of respondents stated that Bill Clinton is an asset to Hillary Clinton's campaign and would have a positive effect on a Hillary Clinton administration:
- A September 25-26 Fox News poll found that 53 percent of respondents thought that of the spouses of seven presidential candidates (including both Democrats and Republicans), Bill Clinton "would help [his] spouse the most to win the White House."
- An April 10-12 CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll found that 60 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would have a "positive effect" on a Hillary Clinton administration.
- A March 23-25 Gallup poll found that 70 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would do "more good than harm" for Hillary Clinton's campaign.
- A February 22-25 Gallup poll found that 70 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would be "mostly helpful ... to her [Hillary Clinton's] presidency."
A more recent survey of 300 New Hampshire Democrats, conducted November 25-27 by Suffolk University's Political Research Center with WHDH-TV in Boston, found that 81 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton was an asset for Hillary Clinton.
Despite the existence of such polling data, Time columnist Joe Klein linked to Ignatius' column, calling it "wise," in a December 9 post on Time's political blog, Swampland.
From the December 9 edition of The Washington Post:
The clearest account of what Bill Clinton would do in a future Democratic administration comes from Barack Obama, who told Time magazine that he would "in a second" offer the former president a job in an Obama administration. "There are few more talented people," he explained.
A fuzzier version of Bill Clinton's future role comes from his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton. She said in April that if elected, she would make him a kind of roving ambassador. "I can't think of a better cheerleader for America than Bill Clinton, can you?" The former president, with the same gee-whiz tone, promised that if Madame President "asks me to do something, whatever it was, I would probably do it."
Hillary Clinton is still the Democratic front-runner in national polls. But the aura of inevitability that surrounded her nomination a few months ago has begun to slip. That's because Obama is doing better in Iowa and New Hampshire, but it may also be because voters are grappling with the unusual questions that would surround her presidency. And the most important of these is the "two presidents" problem. Whatever you think of the Clintons, it's hard to get your mind around having a current and former president in the White House.
The Clinton campaign's approach has been mostly to ignore the issue -- and to suggest subtly that it's unfair or sexist if people raise it. For months, that seemed to work: Hillary proved to be a very good candidate, better than many expected, and she established a strong, independent voice. She has dominated most of the debates, and she promises something the country needs, which is an ability to govern from the center and put performance first.
But there's still a nagging uneasiness about having these two complicated Clintons back together at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. It's the elephant in the room -- or in this case, the West Wing. And it's time for Hillary Clinton to address this issue directly. It's like Mitt Romney's Mormonism. The Romney campaign hoped this concern would just go away. But it didn't, and the candidate finally addressed it directly in a speech Thursday in Texas.
Hillary Clinton needs to discuss honestly what it would be like to share the White House with the former president. Rather than ducking the issue, she should lead the discussion of her husband's appropriate role -- one that recognizes the benefits of his experience and also the limits on his activities.
First, consider the upside of the two President Clintons: Listening to Bill at conferences over the past seven years, I have often been struck by how much he understands about governing effectively. He sees the mistakes he made as president, and he has good advice about how to avoid similar goofs. From the Middle East to economic policy, I can imagine Bill Clinton being a unique source of wise counsel.
A second benefit is what might be called the "Bobby Kennedy factor." President John F. Kennedy's creative solution of the Cuban missile crisis depended on his ability to think boldly, in private, with his brother. JFK was able to explore with this intimate adviser a deal that would avert nuclear war without worrying that he would look weak in front of his Cabinet.
The downside of the two Clintons is more complicated. What worries me most is that Bill Clinton's political history is unfinished and that, as First Laddie, he would have an opportunity to add another (unelected) chapter -- by shaping his wife's presidency in a way that burnishes his own legacy. Then there are his extensive foreign contacts -- a potential benefit but also a danger. What person on Bill's global Rolodex wouldn't think he had a special "in" at the White House?
The Clintons this time around have avoided the "Buy one, get one free" talk that led people to imagine a co-presidency in 1993. But as Sally Bedell Smith makes clear in her comprehensive look at their relationship, "For Love of Politics," these two are a political team, peculiarly but indissolubly bound together. Even after Hillary publicly disavowed a policy role after the collapse of her health-care plan and the disastrous 1994 congressional elections, she continued to be intensively active behind the scenes -- lobbying her husband, vetting appointments and giving advice. There's no reason to imagine that Bill would be any different.
The "two presidents" issue isn't a disqualifier, in my view. But it does need to be talked about. It matters to the country, and it's not going to go away.















Hey, Ignoble is right - all the right voters are having trouble dealing with the possibility of two Clintons back in the White House, fer shur. Perhaps David should exert an effort to broaden his acquaintence, include a couple of independents, maybe even a centrist Democrat. No need to go wild, and actually speak with a liberal - after all, Hillary isn't a liberal, no matter how often some of our posters insist that she is Mao reincarnated, or maybe Marx.
This is the classic Big Lie tactic-- just keep repeating a claim over and over again, and it will take light.
The entire MSM is doing this-- and have been the last few weeks: it's a "The Clintons are such a drag, aren't they?" kind of thing. You hear this everywhere, and there's never any substantiation given.
This is going to be the KEY weapon in the Republican arsenal and it must be stopped ASAP.
I think Bill would do a great job if he were running the show again. But Hillary hasn't convinced me that she is qualified for the job. I am not even concerned with her so-called lack of experience. I don't measure leadership that way. If someone has enough money he/she can buy his/her way up the political ladder.
"...after all, Hillary isn't a liberal, no matter how often some of our posters insist that she is Mao reincarnated, or maybe Marx."
- Conley, some of our posters are nutty enough to think that Mao and Marx were liberals. Well, maybe Marx might have been something of a bleeding heart...
Marx was a liberal.
Groucho, not Karl.
Two for one. Twice the scandals more grid lock, lets vote for real change in Washington. Anybody but the Clintons please.
i think chelsea is a definite asset. she's been campaigning in iowa with hillary and she always comes off well. i know, it's superficial.....
Does someone have a Chelsea crush? ;)
It's alright, she's cute and smart.
that's the point. it softens hillary's supposed hard edge that she raised someone so likable and stable.
It does soften Hillary's edges for people like you and I. Some folks however will continue to see Chelsea as...well I won't repeat it but I think you can recall Limbaugh's slur.
You raise an interesting point. Are good parenting qualities indicative of good leadership skills?
Perhaps not necessarily - but bad parenting skills (Bungle's twins, anyone?) certainly accompanies bad leadership. That case is hereby rested.
"The apple does not fall far from the tree" Seems to me Chelsea is the proof in the pudding that the Clinton's can cut the mustard when it comes to child rearing. Although, it might be an act, she surely knows which side of the toast her bread is buttered on and would not bite the hand that feeds her.
I wonder how much of what these professional journalists say is just to say something, blather, dependent on what the person before them said and how the host introduces the topic and their blood pressure at the moment. If they're given the questions before the show, there is less of an excuse
I think, if Hillary is elected President, she should just appoint Bill to the Supreme Court and appoint Fred Thompson's wife First Lady.
Now, THERE is a bipartisan approach! Plus bonus points for exposing us to Mrs. Thompson in a setting lacking any significant downside.
Wingers believe what they want to believe, no matter what. This makes them the worst people in the world to work as journalists, or in government.
I would be very much more uneasy if a republican was elected president and all the neocons would forcibly latch on like Cheney on baby Bush.
That is the best post of the night!!!
Hmmm - It seems that with all the people I've polled, there's been a "nagging uneasiness" about having another Bush in the White House for 7 years now.
David Ignatius' concern that a future non-existant issue be "discussed honestly", or accusing Hillary of "ducking the issue", or fear of Hillary "taking care of unfinished political history" is more than just laughable considering history already shows that GW Bush and the current administration have done nothing but told lies, ducked issues, and finished what GW considered daddy's unfinished business. This guy has no shame.
Two in a row! I'm finally getting the "Why is this here?" thing. No misinformation!If you read carefully, Ignatius, refers to the voters, but in the next sentence is more vague ("there's a nagging uneasiness")
Now I get it. These reporters and pliticians on the right have been fighting facts so hard and for so long now that they've replace reality with their "feelings".
Huckabees "confusion" about AIDS wasn't his fault, there was widespread ignorance.
Ignatius isn't contesting the polls, he's trying to open up to us about his own "uneasiness".
The GOP is like the Mood Ring Party, and the media is there to relay their every emotional ebb and flow to us.I think I just posted the other day that if pre-teen girls could vote, the GOP would be unbeatable, and these latest examples of hyperdramatic emotions overriding facts only confirms what I thought I was seeing.
Safety. Strong, protective father figures.Roller-coaster ride emotional decisions.A Magical Prom night on the credit card.Can the GOP just replace that Elephant symbol with the Olson Twins and get it over with?
'...The GOP is like a mood ring party...'- Classic!! When ever I think of republicans, I think of my mother, who was hysterical, easy to scare, elitist in ways, and ignorant (I still love her..) and all her republicants friends came off the same way...
This is what the GOP does best, and they know it. They prey on those emotions of insecurity, sense of belonging, fear of abondonment, rejection, or not feeling part of the majority - here you have all the reasons to be a Republican. They go on to criticise Democrats as not being organized or not having a platform but all this really means is that when you are a Democrat, it's OK to think outside the box.
Your pre-teen girl comparison had me thinking back to 1999. I was working as the "computer guy" in an office for a retail business. The boss was a politically elected local Republican and most of the office staff were women who also helped in the bosses campaign, so the office chatter was often political in nature. Their perpetual giddiness over GW near election time seemed almost childish to me and got to be so nausiating that I just could no longer work there and quit the job. I never drew the correlation until now.
"Huckabees "confusion" about AIDS wasn't his fault, there was widespread ignorance."
In the 80s maybe, but not in the 90s when Huckabee made that remark.
You really can't expect someone who disbelieves science to be able to grasp scientific facts though.
"A March 23-25 Gallup poll found that 70 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would do "more good than harm" for Hillary Clinton's campaign."
"A February 22-25 Gallup poll found that 70 percent of respondents thought Bill Clinton would be "mostly helpful ... to her [Hillary Clinton's] presidency."
She continues to ride on his coat-tails. Of course he would be helpful to her campaign and presidency - she's an empty suit. Someone has to fill it.
I think you make great points!
Interesting interpretation, Brutus.
And I'm sure if the polls had shown more people thought Bill would have a negative effect on her campaign, you would have been right here with a pro-Hillary comment.
But don't take my comments the wrong way, I'm not critcizing your take on it. You're not responsible.You saw the name "Hillary", became frightened and emotional, and widespread confusion and uneasiness ensued.
Your feelings are important, don't hold them in.
Pardon my small brain. What?
She is the best chance we got for a Guiliani, Romney, or Huckabee presidency. Ideology is fine, but it is time to nominate a candidate who can win. She can't carry the south. If Guiliani is the GOP nominee then you have New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Iowa, Minnesota, and other swing states where the independent vote is crucial in serious play because of her polarizing presence and the GOP's ability to portray her as an outright Socialist. I
n my opinion, here is the guys in the Democratic field who can appeal to independent voters..Biden, Dodd, Richardson, Obama, and Edwards to a lesser extent. Edwards would undoubtedly move to the center in a general election and his class struggle-populist theme can resinate in the south. Kucinich and Clinton don't have a prayer in a general election. I am a lifelong Democrat and I can tell you with a high degree of certaintly that I will be very difficult for me to vote for her if she is the nominee. Others I talk to who are more moderate such as myself say the same thing. NOMINATING HER IS GIVING THE WHITE HOUSE TO THE GOP.
Not to worry, the primary/convention process will do its function and the most qualified candidate will get the nomination:
Nobel Prize, Emmy, Oscar, former Senator and former VP
ta da
Mr. Albert Gore
Bonus, great first lady also in Tipper.
Yes this double-edged sword can't be good for camp hillary. The spotlight should be firmly on her but, bill is still sucking all the O2 out of the room.
Now the Oprah has done gone and run off with Obama...
This is sort of funny, because you have a bunch of people complaining that Hillary doesn't have enough "experience" and funnily enough, most of the people complaining about that, are republicans on here. And they still support George W. Bush, who literally had NO experience about much of anything, aside from how to make a company go bankrupt and cash out before it came crashing down.
Now, I'm no Hillary fan, my pony is definitely Kucinich. Yes, I know he can't win, but his crazy ideas are about the same as my crazy ideas, and he's got a really hot redheaded wife to boot, who is English. Essentially, that man is my hero. But I digress.
Hillary has tons of experience. She has been working in, and around politics since her college years. Bush, didn't take on politics until he decided to run for governor on his name basically. Hillary, been doing it most of her life. She's smart. Capable, and even if she doesn't have the so called experience, she has a former President as a husband, who did a pretty decent job while he was in office, and he could offer, no doubt, advice, and or counsel for her Presidency, as I'm sure she did with his, and therein lies even more experience for her. She was a first lady for 8 years, and not your typical "I'm a robot like Laura Bush" first lady, no indeed. She did her own thing. Can you picture Laura giving W any advice about foreign policy? Hell, can you even imagine Bush wondering about foreign policy? Nope, me either, but I can picture Bill and Hillary discussing it all night long, and many other things that affected the government during his tenure as President. She's got more experience being President than anyone else, republican or democrat, that is currently running.
All of this hogwash about her being "unelectable" is just that. She can win. Especially if Rudy wins the nomination, because guess what? Rudy ain't gonna win NY, Hillary will. Rudy will lose the evangelical voters, and he'll lose the election no doubt. Hillary can beat any one of the republicans. The thing is, is that the people that hate her, are going to continue to hate her. The people that like her, are going to continue to like her. It's truly the middle people, and she can get those, easily.
The last thing I'll say is that when I was back in College, Hillary came and spoke. I don't remember the subject of the talk, but I do remember my reaction in seeing our first lady, at that time, after she was done talking. I thought she was impressive, well spoken, and she sounded smart and brilliant.
With all of that being said... GO KUCINICH!
If you took all the candidates resume's from both parties and laid them out on the table, took their names off of them and simply selected the resume that represented the most qualified candidate, I believe Hillary Clinton's resume would be the most impressive of them all.