Hannity falsely asserted that Murtha "has gone to the other side" with his recent troop surge comments
SUMMARY: Referring to Rep. John Murtha's recent
statements on President Bush's troop increase strategy in Iraq, Sean
Hannity asserted that "Democrats are going to have an even harder time
trying to win the White House on a blame-Bush and the Republicans platform now
that their loudest critic has gone to the other side." However,
Murtha's comments did not indicate that he "has gone to the other
side." Rather, Murtha said: "I think the surge is working, I think
-- but that's only one element. ... But the thing that has to happen,
the Iraqis have to do this themselves." In a November 30 statement, Murtha also reiterated his
support for withdrawing troops from Iraq.
On the December 9 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America, host Sean Hannity claimed that Rep. John P. Murtha (D-PA) is "starting to see the light," referring to Murtha's recent statements on President Bush's troop increase strategy in Iraq. Hannity further asserted that "Democrats are going to have an even harder time trying to win the White House on a blame-Bush and the Republicans platform now that their loudest critic has gone to the other side." However, Murtha's comments did not indicate that he "has gone to the other side." As Media Matters for America has noted, during his November 29 press conference, Murtha said: "I think the surge is working, I think -- but that's only one element. ...There's no question in my mind that if you put more forces in ... it's going to work out. But the thing that has to happen, the Iraqis have to do this themselves." Murtha went on to state that according to Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker, "the impression was, that I got from all of them, [was] that the central government is pretty close to dysfunctional."
Further, describing Murtha's recent comments as an "about-face," Hannity aired several earlier video clips of Murtha calling for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. But Hannity did not mention that, in a November 30 statement, Murtha made clear that he continues to support redeploying U.S. troops from Iraq:
The military surge has created a window of opportunity for the Iraqi Government. Unfortunately, the sacrifice of our troops has not been met by the Iraqi Government and they have failed to capitalize on the political and diplomatic steps that the surge was designed to provide.
The fact remains that the war in Iraq cannot be won militarily, and that we must begin an orderly redeployment of U.S. forces from Iraq as soon as practicable.
The House of Representatives has passed a $50 billion funding bill that provides the President, our troops, and our nation with a responsible plan for bringing our troops home. The President should heed the advice of the American people and allow this funding bill to become law.
While Murtha did acknowledge that the surge resulted in military successes, he also highlighted the lack of political progress and stressed that the Iraqis need to take over themselves; his reference to the need for political progress echoed a condition that President Bush himself laid out when announcing his strategy in January. Indeed, Huffington Post political writer Sam Stein reported on November 30 that "the congressman's statement was far more nuanced than what is being reported and echoed his previous statements praising the U.S. military's efforts":
War proponents have seized on the words of Rep. John Murtha, D-PA, who said Thursday, following a visit to Iraq, that the troop surge is working -- a seeming contradiction from earlier criticism.
But the congressman's statement was far more nuanced than what is being reported and echoes his previous statements praising the U.S. military's efforts.
Speaking via teleconference to reporters in four different cities, Murtha did acknowledge that the surge, which he had firmly criticized, has led to military successes. But he also warned repeatedly that the Iraqis were not doing enough to capitalize on those gains.
"I think the surge is working but that's only one element. It's working because of the increase in troops," he said, "but the thing that has to happen is that the Iraqis have to do this themselves ..."
(The caveat was all but ignored by some conservative critics, one of whom described Murtha's claim as the equivalent of "hell freezing over.")
Since expressing skepticism over the war in November 2005, Murtha has consistently applauded the capabilities of the troops but also emphasized that, in the absence of political progress among the Iraqi government; their work would be for naught. When President Bush rolled out his surge proposal in the winter of 2007, he opposed the idea, according to the Wall Street Journal, because "it meant depleting readiness at home or extending the tours of troops [currently] in the war zone."
On Thursday, the congressman took a softer but similar stance. Murtha harped on the lack of political and diplomatic progress in Iraq. "The impression I got was that the central government was pretty close to dysfunctional," he said. "They hope the 2008 budget will be passed by 2007 but there are still 17 ministerial seats unfilled."
And he spoke worrisomely about the status of America's armed forces: "I keep stressing we can no longer afford to spend 14 billion a month on the war and let our readiness slip in other parts of the country."
From Murtha's November 29 press conference:
MURTHA: I think the surge is working, I think -- but that's only one element. And the surge is working for a couple different reasons: one is because of the increase in troops. I sent a letter to the president three or four years ago saying, "We need 100,000 more troops" at one point. They went in with inadequate forces. There's no question in my mind that if you put more forces in, you're going to have -- it's going to work out.
But the thing that has to happen, the Iraqis have to do this themselves. We can't win it for them. In Afghanistan or Iraq, they've got to take over themselves. And in the provinces where they've taken over, we've made progress. Anbar Province is a perfect example of that. Now, we've had to pay some of the folks, but the point is, when they get into the whole thing, we start making progress.
[...]
MURTHA: In Iraq and meeting with General Crocker, or Ambassador Crocker and General Petraeus, they stated -- or the impression was, that I got from all of them, that the central government is pretty close to dysfunctional -- that's the central government.
From the December 9 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America:
HANNITY: Last week, one of Capitol Hill's biggest critics of the war made a surprising statement after returning from a trip from Iraq.
[begin video clip]
HANNITY: Last week, hell froze over, pigs were flying, and the cows finally came home. The pessimistic Pennsylvania Congressman John Murtha publicly acknowledged that the Iraq troop surge he so vehemently opposed is indeed making progress. Murtha's about-face occurred last week when he returned from a trip to assess the situation in Iraq.
MURTHA: The surge is working for a couple different reasons. One is because of the increase in troops. They went in with inadequate forces. There's no question in my mind that if you put more forces in, you're going to have -- it's gonna work out.
HANNITY: That the surge is working is no surprise to those who voted to give it a chance. But from Murtha, well, that's a rave.
Let's go back a bit. In 2002, Murtha, along with many other Democrats, voted in favor of authorizing the war in Iraq. But in November of 2005, the previously hawkish congressman suddenly reversed his stance and called for an immediate withdrawal of troops. Since then, Murtha, along with his anti-war cronies like [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi [D-CA], took every opportunity to denounce the president's policy in Iraq.
[begin video clip]
MURTHA: I'm concerned the Army is broken.
The president insists our military needs to stay the course, but there's no plan for progress.
All the top military people have agreed with me we can't win it militarily.
These troops are going back after less than a year at home. These troops are going back to 120-degree temperatures. They're sitting on their fat backsides there in the White House and they say, "Well, let's stay the course."
There was no firefight. There was no IED that killed these innocent people. Our troops overreacted because of the pressure on them. And they killed innocent civilians in cold blood.
Given the sorry state of our Army, you've got to believe President Reagan is turning over in his grave.
The Iraqis want us out of there. The American people want us out of there. There's no solution to Iraq. There's only an alternative. And that's to redeploy and let the Iraqis handle it themselves.
[end video clip]
HANNITY: Murtha's military stance seemed to change as soon as Americans started to feel the pain of the war, and its slower-than-expected progress. As a former Marine and Vietnam veteran, Murtha's condemnation of the war enabled liberals on Capitol Hill to turn the tables and denounce President Bush's Iraq policy, especially those Democrats, like [Sen.] Hillary Clinton [D-NY], who in the wake of 9-11, voted to authorize the war.
Last year, when President Bush proposed the troop surge in Iraq. Murtha slammed the commander in chief at every turn. This past April, Murtha said, quote, "So this surge, this escalation, is not working and it's time to redeploy the troops," unquote.
In June of this year, Murtha said, quote, "I'm absolutely convinced that right now the surge isn't working and I'm convinced that if they don't pay attention to what I'm saying and a lot of other members of Congress are saying, they're going to have a disaster on their hands," unquote.
Congressman Murtha made many such public statements throughout the year. So his last comment that the surge is working is surprising, to put it mildly. OK, so Murtha's starting to see the light. But what does that mean for the San Francisco Speaker [Pelosi] and her anti-war agenda? Looks like the Democrats are going to have an even harder time trying to win the White House on a blame-Bush and the Republicans platform now that their loudest critic has gone to the other side.
[end video clip]
HANNITY: So maybe Congressman Murtha is finally coming to his senses.















Hannity doesn't think Murtha is coming to his senses. He's pulling the classic right wing attack by setting him up for the flip flop accusation. Now that it's on "record" as a flip if he says that isn't true he will be called a flop!
True, but in the meantime, Hannity will tell of how Murtha agrees with Republican's on the surge. Typical right rhetoric. If Hannity didn't agree with Murtha, he'd attack him personally rather than dispute Murtha's message.
Don't worry Hannity, there is plenty to blame Bush for, even if the surge were working as you all had hoped it would. I'm not saying that the security hasn't gotten better over there, from some appearances, and from some locations it has indeed. I would point towards one General Patraeus as the cause of this, and his leadership, and the way he is doing things, rather than the surge itself. Patraeus has studied extensively, counter insurgency, and when the invasion first happened, the area of the country that he was responsible for, was quiet, and at peace for the most part. Now he's got control over military operations in the entire country, and I think that THIS is what the difference is, not the surge itself.
Even so, the war is now moving into its 5th year, there have been over 4200 troops killed (all told including other countries), there have been possibly over 100,000 Iraqi innocents killed, untold billions of dollars of infrastrcuture destroyed, refugees all over the middle east, an entire region de-stabilized, billions of our tax dollars gone, and so on and so forth. Just because there have been a relative couple of months of quiet doesn't make it a good year for Bush at all. And Bush's detractors, including ALL of the democratic candidates for President, still have plenty to attack republicans with. Don't worry Hannity, your career will flourish again, because starting in January of 2009, you'll have plenty to complain about when a democrat is sitting in the Oval Office.
I wonder if Hannity will get called "Un-American" or "Supporting of terrorism" because he will undoubtedly rail against whatever democrat is sworn in as President.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
I say the Republicans should make Sean Hannity the Republican National Committee Chairman, he has such a knack for predicting the future, and judging what the electorate will do, like in 2006!
Sean Hannity for RNC Chair!!
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I almost feel sorry for Hannity at times. I think he's in a different class than Limbaugh and the others who know they're full of sh*t, and jump on stuff like this with the deliberate spin.
Hannity seems to honestly be confused.He may just listen to some other right wing radio shows as his show prep. Unlike the propagandists who have to think up this stuff, he only has to believe.
True. Even Limbaugh is smart enough to know his BS is for one porpose--RATINGS. Hannity too stupid to know any better.
TheRick, you are right on the money. Silly Sean is not the brightest bulb in the socket. Staffers do most of the research for him at Fox News. Plus, he has a short-term memory. You have to remind him of things. On television, watch him with all his notes. You will see him wave a sheet of paper when talking with a guest on the show.
We all know that Fox News is not "Dem-friendly." You will continue to see negative stories about Murtha, Clinton, Obama, etc.
Fox News, or I should say, Senile Bossman Roger Ailes' goal is to put Rudy Giuliani in the White House. He's good friends with this wife cheater.
I surely hope Bossman Rupert would come to his senses and dump Roger. He is the reason Fox News is the worst cable network news station in the nation. And ending Sean's contract would be a good start too.
hey hbl... sorry i missed you in the last thread, good thing it's still kind of 'on topic'
'I didn't say anything about Rush mentioning MMFA'
my bad... read you wrong.
'the younger more impressionable and uninformed members of our military'
you mean the one's that are so uneducated that they wind up in iraq like kerry claims?
ps. i agree that hannity gets most of his content from rush. i'm usually listening to sports talk at that point anyway.
'the younger more impressionable and uninformed members of our military'
you mean the one's that are so uneducated that they wind up in iraq like kerry claims?
No, I mean the ones that are not the older, less impressionable, and better informed members of our military.
Sean Hannity has said many times on his radio pukefest that he's a "proud Republicka in the tradition of Ronald Reagan". I wonder if his confusion about reality is an indicator that, like Reagan, Hannity is developing Alzheimer's disease.....
No one ever doubted the American military could do what it wanted in Iraq given the proper level of troops.
Hannity is full of bs as usual.
Well, the US military actually did what it intended to do in Iraq (well, the 2nd thing that it was supposed to do, depose Hussein from power and take down the regime).
Too bad the preparations for a post war Iraq were so crazed and bungled. Check out State of Denial. I'm reading it now, and it's fascinating to me what micromanagement will do to you.
Also check out No End in Sight to find out how badly the politicians bungled Iraq:
[link to www.netflix.com]
The American military does whatever its asked to do and they're very good at it, the best in the world.
Hannity is about a week lake ( or more ) this was the subject of endless reporting about a week ago with innumerable analisys being submitted for MMFA discussions.
Typical Hannity - taking things out of context. Notice how he left out Murthas opening sentence ("... is working, I think -- but that's only one element.") Then of course there's the mandatory mention of Republican scare word #154 (San Francisco) when invoking Speaker Pelosi's name -Couldn't you just picture him being introduced as "New York Pundit Sean Hannity" in any Republican circles other than in New York itself? Bet that would go over big. And then there's the final suggestion that Murtha has "gone to the other side" as mentioned in this article title.
How do all these Faux pundits who project such moral authority even sleep at night, knowing damn well they sit there day after day telling 1/2 the truth for most every story?
They consider it a game. Hell if you batted 500 you'd be the best hitter ever!
You're right about Republicans considering it a game. All they care about is winning.
I just watched the movie As Goes Ohio (or something like that), about the 2004 presidential election.
The Bush camp in Ohio cared not about issues or about Bush's first term record, or even about having a fair election - they cared only about winning.
All the way up to 1/2!!! Wow, a huge surge over the past couple of months!!!!! Most of the time, I look on them as marginal .200 hitters.
Me too. I was thrilled he got it 1/2 right. Maybe FOX "News" could use a new motto:
FOX--We're right nearly half the time.
That's twice as good as last year, and four times better than the Bush administration.
SameLies Insanity is at it again; and again, his story is that all is well, we have everything under control, and everyone should vote Repugnant. Too bad no element of that is true - I could even swallow #3, given #1 & #2.
murtha will not be on the correct side of this issue until he aplogizes to the marines at haditha for accusing them of 'killing innocent civilians in cold blood.'
Murtha said that an investigation was in order to find out what happened because there were many reports of civilians killed porposefully at Haditha.
Do you believe an investigation was NOT in order?
Do you believe we didn't kill civilians at Haditha?
Do you think that if we did, those who did it should NOT be punished?
Do you believe that all is fair in warfare, and anyone can be killed at any time as long as it's our side doing it?
I'll check back for your answers tomorrow.
Murtha said that an investigation was in order to find out what happened because there were many reports of civilians killed porposefully at Haditha.murtha went on to make the conclusion that these marines were cold-blooded killers. 4 of the eight charged have had charges dropped. is he waiting while these other brave men's lives are put on hold to apologize to them as a group?Do you believe an investigation was NOT in order?yes, it was. what was not in order was for an elected official to jump to a conclusion and undermine our military effort for his own political gain.Do you believe we didn't kill civilians at Haditha?it is quite possible that civilians were killed, it is also quite possible that men with guns were using civilians as human shields. i don't know, i wasn't there- were you?Do you think that if we did, those who did it should NOT be punished?cold-blooded killers should be punished. but here in america it is 'innocent until proven guilty'... unless you are a partisan politician with a beef against the commander in chief... then it's 'the end justifies the means'Do you believe that all is fair in warfare, and anyone can be killed at any time as long as it's our side doing it?i believe that war is hell. anyone will be killed by either side if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time. i'm glad that i don't have to make life and death decisions in a split second, but i'm glad people like my father did that, and people like my cousin and nephew are doing that. it's because brave men and women have the courage to lay down their life or to take another for their country that i enjoy the freedoms that i sometimes take for granted.
anyone will be killed by either side if they are in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Those dumb Iraqis, being in Iraq! What the heck were they thinking!?
Paleo,
Forgive me for asking, but why aren't you with them out there in Iraq? You seem to be very supportive of the war. And before you label me as someone who "hates the troops," know that I have sent them money for body armor and voted for every candidate in my area who votes for increasing their benefits and shortening their tours so that if they are to return to Iraq, they can do so in as good shape as they can be.
I opposed the war from the start and pray for their safety over there (both our troops and Iraqis).
And please, if you are "too old," please don't say that you regret not serving because you had plenty of chances I am sure.
Why does the left always use this silly argument? If you support something, do you have to actively participate in it? If you are against something do you have to actively work against it?
It's like if you support abortion rights and I say to you "Well, we aren't you out there performing abortions?" If you oppose crime, "Well why aren't you a cop, out there doing somthing about it?"
Ridiculous arguments, just like the "Why aren't you over there?" one.
And since I'm sure you'll ask, yes, I am a veteran. I served my time, but I'm sure some will say I'm need to re-enlist and get on the next plane to Iraq since I am not a believer in the pull out now strategy.
Ripper, the reason the left so often invokes military service for those who are vociferous cheerleaders for the war is that soooo many of them have no military experience and indeed, have actively avoided military service when they had the opportunity to serve.
Military experience is not necessary for one to have a valid opinion, nor is it a prerquesite for a civlian command position. But the position of one who actively avoided service while of-age and able-bodied, who now is eager to send other Americans into battle comes close to hypocrisy. When the battle is ill-advised and poorly-planned, that only compounds the offense.
And you abortion anology fails to hold up. Supporters of abortion rights are in favor of the right of a woman to CHOOSE an abortion. We're not in favor of abortions. We don't cheer more abortions. In fact, liberal policies have tended to reduce the number of abortions, while conservative social policies have tended to increase them. Odd how that works out, isn't it?
friedbergboy,i'm not into labels. i assume everyone who posts on here does not 'hate the troops' and that no sane person loves war.... it's kind of like government- 'a necessary evil'. shortening tours is a great idea, especially in the army- i know the marines are much better at troop rotations. your prayers and mine have the same tone i'm sure. as for your question... when i was eighteen i tried to join the air force, the recruiter didn't encourage me to pursue the armed forces because i was too fat.so to be completely honest- i'm still too fat. i've played the video games and nothing about those would inspire me to strap on all that gear and run around in the danger and heat. i'm blue collar, i work hard at my job, but it takes a better caliber of man than i am to do what they do. they all have my ultimate respect.
Fair enough, Paleo. Just was curious after your tone what your experiences were/are. Ripper, thank you for your service.
i echo those setiments to ripper as well, and also to robrob. respect.
This is a very good example of how cynical politics has corrupted the entire process and slowed government to a crawl. Just because a Democrat does something in congress to challenge the President's power, or "check it," it goes on record that they're just doing it for political gain and to further their own agenda. Making such a blatant assumption is disingenuous to all rational debate and is one of the major pitfalls of the modern political process.
You know what happens when you assume don't you?
"it's because brave men and women have the courage to lay down their life or to take another for their country that i enjoy the freedoms that i sometimes take for granted."
What freedoms have we gotten with the Iraq war?
How can you tell the parents of the dead that their sacrifice was for a lie?
no one "voted to authorize the war". bush said the purpose of the resolution was to get the inspectors back in, to disarm iraq. they were back in, finding nothing and it was bush that had them withdrawn.
yeah the un should have had more time to collect funds from 'food for oil'. after all saddam was just about to let the inspectors in- he only waited since what '94?
oh, hey foghorn, go find me your most left-wing elected official and get them to say, on the record, that getting saddam out of power was a bad idea. if you want to tell parents of soldiers kia that their soldiers were killed because of a lie, feel free but i hope you get you get layed on your backside for it. you all seem to be more than happy to believe intel from the same sources of the 'lies' when it comes to iran halting it's nuclear program four years ago.
if you want to claim that bush lied, you can believe what you want. but that must mean that all the democrats he fooled into voting for the resolution must be more stupid than you claim him to be.
can't read, huh. i didn't say that saddam was about to let the u.n. inspectors in. i said they were there, and bush kicked them out so he could start the invasion. that's an absolute fact.
yeah they were in iraq, where they weren't was the places saddam wouldn't let them go. that's why bushsaid enough. do you not remember the games that saddam played? 'go here, but not here...' maybe you think saddam was going to comply right before bush said 'enough!'?
Sean "Insanity" Hannity - the league leader in misquoting the opposition.
ripper76,
Why does the left always use this silly argument? If you support something, do you have to actively participate in it? If you are against something do you have to actively work against it?
No but it's interesting how it's almost always those supporting the war who are also the ones who refuse to serve.
It's like if you support abortion rights and I say to you "Well, we aren't you out there performing abortions?" If you oppose crime, "Well why aren't you a cop, out there doing somthing about it?"
Bad analogies. More acurate would be someone who ran around supporting voter registration yet never voted themselves.
And since I'm sure you'll ask, yes, I am a veteran. I served my time, but I'm sure some will say I'm need to re-enlist and get on the next plane to Iraq since I am not a believer in the pull out now strategy.
Interesting you say that. I too am a vet and I too have served my time -yet I voluntarily served in Afghanistan this year because I believed in our mission over there (as opposed to Iraq). How about you?
Whew. Looks like that's gonna leave a mark...