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NY Times' Dowd echoed Healy's misleading account of Clinton interview

December 23, 2007 7:48 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Echoing an article by New York Times reporter Patrick Healy about President Clinton's appearance on PBS' Charlie Rose Show, Maureen Dowd wrote, "He got so agitated with Charlie Rose -- ranting that reporters were 'stenographers' for [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL] -- that his aides tried to stop the interview." But neither Dowd nor Healy noted Rose's actual on-air comments on the matter, indicating that the interview had gone "over" time -- not that the aides were concerned about the content of the interview.

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In her December 23 column, The New York Times' Maureen Dowd, referring to former President Bill Clinton's appearance on the December 14 edition of PBS' The Charlie Rose Show, claimed, "He got so agitated with Charlie Rose -- ranting that reporters were 'stenographers' for [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL] -- that his aides tried to stop the interview." Dowd's assertion echoes a December 16 article by New York Times reporter Patrick Healy that claimed that "[d]uring the Charlie Rose interview, Mr. Clinton looked agitated at times" and that "[a]t one point, Mr. Rose said that, in his control room, aides to Mr. Clinton were trying to persuade the show's producers to end the interview." But while Healy purported to report what Rose said about Clinton's aides trying to stop the interview, and Dowd purported to report on what the aides themselves did, neither Dowd nor Healy noted Rose's actual on-air comments about the matter. Rose indicated that the interview had gone "over" time -- not that the aides were concerned about the content of the interview. As Media Matters for America has documented, Rose said to Clinton, "Let me -- let me just close with this, because it's important and fairly -- we're over and your people need to take you -- you need to go wherever you need to go." The interview then continued for several more minutes. Minutes later, Rose added: "Your people are pushing me, so I want you to finish, but it's not my --"

From Dowd's December 23 column:

Bill is staying up late strategizing and recasting her message and speeches. But he's off his game on the trail, making clumsy mistakes like his remark -- bound to be shot down by Poppy Bush -- that Hillary would send 41 and 42 around the world to restore prestige lost by 43.

Hillary advisers noted that when Bill was asked by a supporter in South Carolina what his wife's No. 1 priority would be, he replied: C'est moi! "The first thing she intends to do is to send me ..." he began.

He got so agitated with Charlie Rose -- ranting that reporters were "stenographers" for Obama -- that his aides tried to stop the interview.

From Clinton's interview with Rose, broadcast on the December 14 edition of PBS' The Charlie Rose Show:

ROSE: And when people say we don't need to go beyond looking back at the '60s, or even the '90s, then you -- you say, "I think a lot of good things happened in the '60s, and I think a lot of good things happened in the '70s, in the '80s, in the '90s."

CLINTON: Yeah, but the basic thing is that's irrelevant.

ROSE: Right.

CLINTON: Look at this decade. Look at this record. She has been a completely modern senator. She has sponsored -- she just passed the bill as a candidate for president, with [Sen.] Lindsey Graham [R-SC], who led my -- who was one of the impeachment managers --

ROSE: Impeachment managers -- right.

CLINTON: -- to extend the family and medical leave law to the families of veterans who were suffering physical or emotional trauma in Iraq or Afghanistan.

ROSE: All right. Let me -- let me close this one.

CLINTON: I mean, that's not nothing to do with the '90s. I mean, this -- that's sort of a superficial, you know, bigotry. That's like saying -- that's like ageism or something. You know, it's like -- if you fought and did good things, we've got to give you a gold watch and tell you goodbye.

ROSE: Let me -- let me just close with this, because it's important and fairly -- we're over and your people need to take you -- you need to go wherever you need to go.

I've said this to you before, because of your eight years of experience, because of your experience as a governor and because you have spent your time since doing good, but traveling around the world, sometimes with your friend President Bush 41. Tell me what you would put as the top five things for the next president if you were sliding a little letter into that Oval Office desk. You can make it as short or as long as you want from my point.

CLINTON: We have to restore America's standing in the world. We have to send a signal that we are going to get back in the cooperation business. And we're going to cooperate whenever we can, act alone only when we have to, including discontinuing our direct military involvement in Iraq as quickly as we can without making it worse.

We have to regain our economic momentum, to restore the middle class, which means we need more good jobs and significant changes in our education policy.

We have to have -- finally, we have to pass universal health care. Now what we're doing is costing us too much, doing too little, undermining our economic stability and our -- the moral fabric of our society.

We have to do something really significant on energy for reasons of national security, global warming, and most -- and our economic wellbeing. We have got to move back toward a clean, independent energy future. It will create millions of jobs and promote more equality.

And finally, we need to do this in a way that gives all Americans a chance to work together on it. One reason I like this whole idea of a clean independent energy future is it's inherently beyond politics. It gives people something to do across political lines, racial lines, income lines. It will benefit people in urban areas, suburban areas, small towns, rural areas.

We live in an interdependent world, where just a few people, as we found out on 9-11, or the British found out with their car bombings and their subway bombings, who don't feel part of the community, can do an enormous amount of damage. The only way to overcome our differences is not basically to try to erase the past, it's to get used to working together.

I mean, it's really kind of a metaphor for the Hillary argument. If you look at last Monday, the new --

ROSE: Your people are pushing me, so I want you to finish, but it's not my --

CLINTON: The new leaders of Northern Ireland came to Washington to see the president. They -- it represents a stunning change. I think everybody would admit, right? Stunning change in Northern Ireland.

ROSE: It's unbelievable.

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    • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (December 23, 2007 2:34 pm ET)
         

      1 -- Bill Clinton went over the alloted time for this interview.

      2 -- His staff tried to keep him on schedule for his next appearance.

      3 -- Despite knowing he'd be behind schedule for the rest of the day, Clinton continued to answer questions.

      4 -- Somehow, these facts are twisted into "Bill Clinton was so agitated that he tried to end the interview.

      5 -- I think it's safe to say that if Clinton cuts an interview short he'll be criticized for not being able to stand the heat.  if he goes too long, he'll be called a blowhard who likes the sound of his own voice.  The one certainty is that whatever Clinton does, the "liberal" media will say it's wrong. 

      6 -- My conclusion -- "what liberal media?"

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    • Author by mefirst (December 23, 2007 2:38 pm ET)
         

      rose to clinton:  "you need to go wherever you need to go".  clearly a scheduling thing.

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    • Author by KISSman (December 23, 2007 3:35 pm ET)
         

      Why not just offically endorse Hillary?  MM seems to be all but doing that lately.

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    • Author by jjamele2880 (December 23, 2007 3:38 pm ET)
         

      Know what's wrong with the Clinton partnership?  The media's obsession with it. Period.

      If Bill campaigns for Hillary, he's stealing her thunder.  If he doesn't, it must mean that he's jealous and doesn't want her to win.   The Clintons are either running from the 90s or trying to remind us of them.  Or both, simultaneously.  

      Every new "story" about the Clintons brings me closer to voting for Hillary over Edwards, my current favorite, just to annoy the hell out of the Clinton-haters in the media.   

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    • Author by therick (December 23, 2007 5:55 pm ET)
         

      Maureen Dowd must hate the Clinton's.  She's never cut them any slack, and now has resorted to twisting the facts to make her column read  juicier.  She also has nothing good to say about GWBush, but I've never seen her twist the facts about him.  Then again, when writing about Bush, one wouldn't have to make up things.

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      • Author by philib (December 25, 2007 9:18 am ET)
           

          That's really talented. Rip Dowd apart because you don't believe the "facts" as reported about the clinton's but certainly every "fact" about bush is correct.

           Seems to me that she has all the facts correct, you just refuse to accept the truth.

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        • Author by mefirst (December 25, 2007 10:08 am ET)
             

          so you are saying that it was not a scheduling thing that rose was talking about?

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        • Author by therick (December 25, 2007 3:58 pm ET)
             

          "That's really talented. Rip Dowd apart because you don't believe the "facts" as reported about the clinton's..."--Philib

          Well, I watched the interview, and she made up the BS.  Perhaps you should watch it too, then you might know what you're talking about.  By the way, thanks for noticing how talented I am.  I've often thought no one was paying attention.

          "...but certainly every "fact" about bush is correct."--Philib

          I didn't say that every fact she wrote about Bush is correct, I said that I've not noticed her resorting to making things up the way she did this time.

          "Seems to me that she has all the facts correct, you just refuse to accept the truth."--Philib

          She may have all the facts correct, except for those she made up.  I've always thought she was kinda hot for her age, therefore I was willing to cut her some slack around the holidays.  But, I can't cut her slack when she makes things up, regardless of who it's about.  If she said Bush lied to get us into a war, ruined the economy, eroded our standing in the world, reduced our constitutional rights then I would be just as,... er wait...he did do those things.

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    • Author by mary59 (December 23, 2007 7:22 pm ET)
         

      What--?  Dowd and Healy must be reporting from a parallel universe, in which their version took place, instead of the opposite.

      By the way, Happy Solstice everyone, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, etc.

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    • Author by renata856 (December 23, 2007 7:56 pm ET)
         

      Mareen Dowd, Chris Matthews, Tim Russert...all openly despise the Clintons, and have crossed the line of journalists and beyond even punditry -- to open BIAS.  Misinforming  Partisan propaganda passing as news has COST America over the last 7 years. Elmer Gantrys inserting Religion into political discourse -- and the aforementioned "journalists" pushing their agenda to the front of the discourse while we have a War, healthcare reform as boomers make their ascent into 3rd age and a competitive world bailing out American banks.  Level playing fields are also under assault with the baseball steroid scandal.  The public airwaves are supposed to serve the public interest. The aforemention need to be called out on their BIAS and do not deserve to continue in their jobs if it continues at this very important time in American history -- with kids in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

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    • Author by bcvb1949a (December 24, 2007 12:42 am ET)
         

      Forget the Rose interview with BJ Clinton.  Hillary Clinton has a slight chance of winning the nomination.  But if nominated, little chance of being elected.

      We are done with Bush,Clinton, Bush and another Clinton.  It is time for a change.  Not the status quo.

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 24, 2007 1:56 am ET)
           

        OK, I'm convinced.

        Or, I would be, had you bothered to state the premises that led to your opinionated, ignorant conclusion.

        If you want to be logical, learn how to present a syllogistic argument.

        Stating opinion as fact is easily debunked, and is the realm of idiocy. 

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        • Author by philib (December 26, 2007 8:46 am ET)
             

          "Stating opinion as fact is easily debunked, and is the realm of idiocy."

             Careful what you say, all of the opinionators, here, may not understand your "opinion". I don't think the many members of mmfa appreciate you calling them idiots.

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      • Author by jjamele2880 (December 24, 2007 12:55 pm ET)
           

        Wow, I'm totally convinced.  But really, who could argue against such an insightful, well-crafted argument?

        Just a small criticism: you could have made your post even shorter by just writing "I dont like Hillary Clinton, so she can't win."  Just a time-saver tip for you, free of charge.  

        Merry Christmas! 

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    • Author by Sams Computer (December 24, 2007 5:53 am ET)
         

      IT'S CHRISTMAS EVE... SO...

      HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO EVERYONE HERE !

      -Sam I Am-

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    • Author by MickD (December 24, 2007 11:14 am ET)
         

      Yeah, the Clintons have their flaws, just like all human beings, but the relentless, gleeful pointing out of them by the compliant "liberal" media is boring and ridiculous, especially with BushieCo continuing to screw all of our country's sensibilities into the ground in the name of power.

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    • Author by Sueelldd (December 24, 2007 2:29 pm ET)
         

      Wow reading this website you would think Maureen Dowd is a rabid right winger, clearly her hate toward Bush means that is completely bogus. I am sorry MMFA but sometimes people are not partisan, they are good like Dowd and Bill Maher.

      Merry Christmas to all my partisan and non partisan friends!!!!

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      • Author by desertjim (December 24, 2007 2:40 pm ET)
           

        MMFA doesn't say anything here about Dowd being a right-winger. They say, correctly, that she printed misinformation about Rose's interview of Bill Clinton. The misinformation created a false image of Clinton being agitated about the questions.

        I don't think MMFA's mission is to attack right-wingers. It is to respond to misinformation. What's the problem?

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 24, 2007 3:13 pm ET)
             

          MMFA simply printed transcripts of Dowd's own words.If that makes her appear to a particular poster as a rabid right -winger, then I guess that means either;

          a. Dowd is a rabid right winger, or

          b. That poster has a tendency to see things in a very partisan way.

          Merry Xmas, Sue, hope santa brings you a big sack of Keith Olbermann ! ;0)

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          • Author by therick (December 24, 2007 4:49 pm ET)
               

            Is there a compilation of Keith's 'Worst Person In The World?'  If there is, Santa has an easy job filling Sueeld's stocking.  Maybe a desk calendar with 365 WPITW !!!

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            • Author by oscar the grouch (December 24, 2007 5:27 pm ET)
                 

              A whale of a Calendar Idea, Rick. Take it, trademark it, run with it.  Let us know how sales go!

              Merry Christmas to all and may the blessings of the season be with each and every one of you.

              May the New Year bring more spirited debate to this forum as we press forward to next November. 

               

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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 24, 2007 9:53 pm ET)
                 

              Keith has a book out on the WPITW. I got it this year. It's very funny. A book of his Special Comments will be out Wednesday.

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            • Author by The Stranger (December 26, 2007 12:16 am ET)
                 

              It's funny that when someone "speaks" his own mind here he is accused of being under the spell  Rush Limbaugh or something.

              Yet there are several regular posters here who regularly and shamelessly parrot Keith "Chicken 'n Waffles" Olbermann

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              • Author by philib (December 26, 2007 8:51 am ET)
                   

                   Obviously, you are a stranger here. But, easy-to-refute-wingnuts explained it best in a recent post:

                "Stating opinion as fact is easily debunked, and is the realm of idiocy."

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      • Author by mefirst (December 24, 2007 7:00 pm ET)
           

        obviously sueeld brings her own spin to this.  did mmfa say dowd was a partisan right winger?  nope.

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      • Author by JLyons (December 24, 2007 11:20 pm ET)
           

        Merry Christmas Sueeld.  I agree about Bill Maher, he is a great example of someone who could care less what party you are in .

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    • Author by RedRightHand (December 24, 2007 5:50 pm ET)
         

      Merry Christmas, to the Christians, and Happy Holidays for the rest ^_^  Enjoy the holiday, all!

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    • Author by conleytgwinn (December 24, 2007 11:10 pm ET)
         

      Merry Christmas all!

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 25, 2007 4:31 am ET)
           

        Merry Christmas, Conley? Are you cutting and running from the S-P crusade? And where's Worrierking?

        BilldO'Reilly has claimed victory, my officers are becoming defeatists,it's zero hour, and I've just finished the first campaign poster !

        Don't fail me now, Boyos !!!

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    • Author by philib (December 25, 2007 9:27 am ET)
         

      " The only way to overcome our differences is not basically to try to erase the past, it's to get used to working together. "

        There is a classic clinton quote and stance. No wonder I never voted for the most immoral president of our times, if not all time. His idea on how to deal with terrorism is for the US people "to get used to" suicide bombings because we need to be "working together".

      " finally, we have to pass universal health care. Now what we're doing is costing us too much, doing too little, undermining our economic stability and our -- the moral fabric of our society."

         Second favorite. What does slick willey know about morality? The only morality that goes with fabric in "his society" is the blue fabric. That's as moral as he gets. With him supporting hilary, her morality isn't any different. That last thing the US needs is another immoral president.

       

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      • Author by mefirst (December 25, 2007 10:07 am ET)
           

        i will take clinton's blue dress "morality" over bush's i will lie us into a war and allow my staff to out cia operatives with no consequences "morality".  

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        • Author by philib (December 25, 2007 11:43 am ET)
             

            Yes, I would imagine you would. That attitude is what got us INTO this mess to begin with. If clinton had taken obl seriously, the TT would not have been attacked...either time. But, your blue dress morality convinced everyone that he was no danger. The only danger in your mind was the danger of slick willey getting caught with his willy getting slicker. Oh, and the dangerous hospitals in Bosnia...they were a real threat to US safety.

             I don't stick up for bush or the many failures of his. Just like I won't stick up for clinton and the many failures of his. No body's perfect and when you trot a perfect candidate out there I'll consider the merits of his perfection on my own, thank you.

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          • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 25, 2007 12:22 pm ET)
               

            philib, one day you'll meet a nice girl who'll do naughty things with you.When that happens, a lot of anger and frustration will disappear, and you'll be able to put things in perspective.

             For example, you may be able to see that concocted wars and the trampling of our Constitution are much more serious than sexual indiscretions.

            Hopefully, you will get enough of your rational mind operating that you won't still believe that everything bad in the world is a direct result of some other guy getting a BJ. That is just weird and sad.

            Merry Xmas, I'd suggest hanging around under the mistletoe as a starting point.

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            • Author by philib (December 26, 2007 12:59 am ET)
                 

                I like how, when you lose an arguement, you totally change the subject to personal attacks. It seems habit forming, since most of the responses to my post did the same thing. Too bad, I expected more from you.

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              • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 1:17 am ET)
                   

                I'm not sure who that comment was directed at,Philib, unless it was to yourself.Your comments seem to contain more unsupported personal criticisms than any others here.

                And I hope you're not suggesting that any other poster lost an argument to you. That would require you to have some sort of argument.

                But I hope you had a great Xmas, and I seriously hope you can overcome your obsession with other mens' sex lives.

                 

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                • Author by philib (December 26, 2007 8:58 am ET)
                     

                  "Your comments seem to contain more unsupported personal criticisms than any others here."

                     Oh? Please show which one of my comments contained 'unsupported personal criticisms' about another poster? I anticipate this reply going unresponded to.

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                  • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 10:15 am ET)
                       

                    how about when you said it was my "attitude that got us into this mess to begin with" and the only danger i was worried about was slick willie getting caught getting his willie slicker.  i would say those were unfounded personal comments.

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                  • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 11:29 am ET)
                       

                    "I anticipate this reply going unresponded to."- philib

                    Your consistency at being wrong is impressive. Mefirst has already pointed out some things that you seem unaware of.I was also referring to your attributing false quotes to Bill Clinton.

                    (Note: I didn't specify that your personal attacks were limited to other posters. You did, whether through poor reading comprehension, or just the momentum of being so impressively, astoundingly wrong about just about everything)

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              • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 8:06 am ET)
                   

                  i provided quote after quote from the 9-11 commission and bush himself, and quoted you accurately.  that's a "personal attack"?

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          • Author by mefirst (December 25, 2007 1:44 pm ET)
               

            it's really amazing the historical rewrites some of you can make.  let's see.  it's clinton's fault for both attacks on the world trade center.  the first had nothing to do with bin ladin, and that came one month into clinton's presidency.  the second came eight months after he left office.  by your own logic, that would make bush far more accountable for sept 11.  but let's see what the 9-11 commission had to say, composed of five republican members and staff headed by a republican, page 174:  "president clinton was deeply concerned about bin ladin."  or:

            page 100:  "when president clinton took office, he decided right away to coordinate counterterrorism from the white house.  he proposed significantly larger budgets for the fbi, with much of the increase designated for counterterrorism".    "in february [1995], he sent congress proposals to extend federal crime jurisdiction, to make it easier to deport terrorists, and to act against terrorist fundraising.  in early may, he submitted a bundle of strong amendments."   or:

            page 101:  "during 1995 and 1996, president clinton devoted considerable time to seeking cooperation from other nations in denying sanctuary to terrorists".   "when announcing his  new national security team after being reelected in 1996, president clinton named terrorism first in a list of several challenges facing the country".    "richard clarke was also awarded a seat on the cabinet level principals committee when it met on his issues, a highly unusual step for a white house staffer." 

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            • Author by mefirst (December 25, 2007 2:16 pm ET)
                 

              vs bush,  page 201:  "the national security advisor [rice] did not respond directly to clarke's [january 25] memorandum.  no principals meeting on al qaeda was held until september 4, 2001."

              page 254:  "there were more than 40 intelligence articles in the presidential briefings from january 20 to september 10, 2001, that realted to bin ladin."   gee wonder why they picked out that specific period?  maybe to show bush paid no attention?

              page 256:  "threat reports surged in june and july, reaching an even higher peak of urgency." 

              page 259:  "on june 30, the seib contained an article entitled 'bin ladin threats are real'."   "to give a sense of his anxiety at the time, one senior official in the counterterrorist center told us that he and a colleague were considering resigning in order to go public with their concerns." 

              page 262:  after the august 6, 2001 pdb "bin ladin determined to strike in u.s.":  "we have found no indication of any further discussion before september 11 among the president and his top advisors of the possibility of a threat of an al qaeda attack in the united states."   [bin ladin is the spelling they use]

              page 265:  "in sum, the domestic agencies never mobilized in response to the threats.  they did not have direction and did not have a plan to institute."

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              • Author by therick (December 25, 2007 3:47 pm ET)
                   

                You shouldn't bother Phil with those pesky facts.  To conidiots, facts only get in the way of what they want to believe.

                Merry Christmas, and Happy Holidays.

                 

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              • Author by philib (December 25, 2007 4:47 pm ET)
                   

                  " page 254:  "there were more than 40 intelligence articles in the presidential briefings from january 20 to september 10, 2001, that realted to bin ladin."   gee wonder why they picked out that specific period?  maybe to show bush paid no attention?  "

                   I would imagine there were more than that. However, WHERE did these intel reports come from? Entirely new intel corp that took over after clinton left? Or, the same group of guys? What was he to believe?

                  "  page 262:  after the august 6, 2001 pdb "bin ladin determined to strike in u.s.":  "we have found no indication of any further discussion before september 11 among the president and his top advisors of the possibility of a threat of an al qaeda attack in the united states."    "

                   Sure easy being 'armchair post-attack quarterback' huh? What was happening the days/weeks/months before Pearl Harbor was attacked? Do you expect obl to announce the time/day/month of his next attack?

                 

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                • Author by Brabantio (December 25, 2007 5:01 pm ET)
                     

                  I would imagine there were more than that. However, WHERE did these intel reports come from? Entirely new intel corp that took over after clinton left? Or, the same group of guys? What was he to believe?

                  What the hell are you even arguing now?  That Bush isn't expected to believe intel reports because the same people reported to Clinton?

                     Sure easy being 'armchair post-attack quarterback' huh? What was happening the days/weeks/months before Pearl Harbor was attacked? Do you expect obl to announce the time/day/month of his next attack?

                  I think it's reasonable to expect an administration to respond in some way to a threat.  Knowing the specific date of an attack has nothing to do with it.  If the Fire Marshall says your business is a tinderbox waiting to go up, and you do nothing about it, and three months later it burns to the ground, then saying "well I didn't know when it was going to happen" isn't a very convincing excuse.  You have to make an effort to prevent it.

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                • Author by mefirst (December 25, 2007 5:11 pm ET)
                     

                  "i don't stick up for bush or the many failures of his."   those were your words, homeboy, and here you are doing just that with some bend over backwards excusemaking.  who was bush to believe?  so he had people feeding him intelligence and he didn't act because he wasn't sure it was true?   maybe, just in case it was true, he could have had a few meetings on the subject of counterterrorism?  as clinton did, at least weekly.   and the only reason bush could not address it was because he didn't have the date and whereabouts of the attack?   that's the only way to prevent an attack?  maybe putting two and two together with things like the phoenix memo in july 2001, when an agent was trying to get people up the chain of command to pay attention about the flight school students?  

                   but why don't we just go to the man himself.  george w bush to journalist bob woodward about bin ladin:  "i was not. there was a significant difference in my attitude after sept. 11.  i was not on point, but i knew he was a menace, and i knew he was a problem."   translation, i heard about this guy, but i wasn't going to interrupt my brush clearing and jogging to pay him any attention.   if you don't want to believe me, believe him.  "i was not on point..." 

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                  • Author by The Stranger (December 26, 2007 10:54 am ET)
                       

                    things like the phoenix memo in july 2001, when an agent was trying to get people up the chain of command to pay attention about the flight school students?  

                    Umm..Slappy, the reason this info couldn't be shared was because of the infamous "wall" erected by Jamie Gorelick...who, by the way, should have been investigated by the 9/11 Commission rather than be a part of it.

                    MEFIRST..weirdly...uses 9/11 Commission testimony from Richard Clarke..

                    ..does she not know how roundly debunked Clarke's testimony is?

                    ...it is so full of lies, it completely detroys any credibility of the report..

                    ...let's start with this from Condi in a CNN report:

                     Forcefully rebutting Clarke's testimony Wednesday to the 9/11 commission, Rice called reporters to her West Wing office and said that on July 5, 2001 -- two months before the terrorist attacks -- she personally ordered Clarke to alert domestic agencies that they needed to be on alert for the possibility of a terror strike.

                    Rice said she did so because of a "threat spike" in U.S. intelligence. While the intelligence suggested al Qaeda attacks in the Persian Gulf region or Israel, Rice said she and White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card decided to ask Clarke to take some precautions domestically.

                    Clarke testified Wednesday that the administration did little in the spring and summer of 2001 to prepare for possible attacks in the United States. To rebut that charge, Rice released unclassified portions of an e-mail Clarke sent to her on September 15, 2001, four days after the attacks.

                    He then went on to detail the steps he said were taken to put the nation on a higher alert footing:

                     

                  • In late June, an interagency counterterrorism security group, which Clarke chaired, warned of an upcoming "spectacular" al Qaeda attack that would be "qualitatively different."

                     

                     

                  • On July 5, representatives of federal law enforcement agencies were summoned for a meeting at which they were warned "that we thought a spectacular al Qaeda terrorist attack was coming in the near future," Clark wrote. Among the agencies represented were the FBI, Secret Service, Federal Aviation Administration, Customs Service, Coast Guard, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service.

                     

                    "We asked that they take special measures to increase security and surveillance," he wrote.

                    Summarizing his thoughts to Rice, Clarke wrote, "Thus, the White House did insure that domestic law enforcement (including FAA) knew that the [counterterrorism security group] believed that a major al Qaeda attack was coming and it could be in the U.S. ... and did ask that special measures be taken."

                    Clarke's initials -- "rac" -- are typed at the end of the e-mail.

                  • If you do a Google search you will find articles about the lies he told the commission from right wing propaganda out lets like CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, etc., etc....

                    Clarke's testimony was nothing but an attempt to cover his and Clinton's ass..

                    ...the same reason Bergler stole and destroyed the classified documents

                     

                     

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  • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 11:56 am ET)
       

    number one, clarke was not president or attorney general or head of the cia or national security advisor.  he was not able to issue any orders to get people to do their jobs.  trying to blame him for the failures at the top is ludicrous.  and the flight school information was collected by the fbi, a domestic agency, so there was no  "wall" that prevented anyone from using it.  and that is beside the fact that tenet, director of the cia, knew all about the flight schools.  from the commission report page 275:  "on august 23 [2001], dci tenet was briefed about the moussaoui case in a briefing titled 'islamic extremist learns to fly'."   but he could do nothing because he could not issue orders for anything to be done in this country.  again it was inaction from the top of the bush administration.  and please see my link further on about how bush's state department downgraded the threat of bin laden.  

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    • Author by The Stranger (December 26, 2007 12:08 pm ET)
         

      he (Clarke) was not able to issue any orders to get people to do their jobs.

      Like hell he wasn't. He was anti-terrorism czar and his job was to carry out the orders of the National Security Advisor..

      ..his blame-shifting and lies are well documented

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      • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 12:21 pm ET)
           

        the commission report reporting on a "memorandum on january 25, 2001", page 201:  " 'we urgently [underlined] need a principals level review on the al qaida network'  clarke wrote."

        same page:  "the national security advisor did not respond directly to clarke's memorandum.  no principal's committee meeting was held until september 4, 2001."

        sounds like he was not quite as in charge as you say.

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  • Author by The Stranger (December 25, 2007 10:15 pm ET)
       

    Hmmm..why weren't national security agencies mobilized by  Clinton's "F" Troop...er I mean administration, if they were so darned aware and concerned that a strike by bin Laden was imminent?

    OHMYGOSH, OHMYGOSH...we're 100% certain that terrorists are coming to kill as many Americans as possible...SOON..so, um..let's wait to mobilize..

    Doesn't quite pass the smell test, does it?

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    • Author by mefirst (December 25, 2007 10:56 pm ET)
         

      the only thing that smells is your tortured logic.  it was eight months after clinton had left office and he's still responsible?   what's bush's responsibility?  harry truman said "the buck stops here".  bush said "what, me worry?". 

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      • Author by The Stranger (December 25, 2007 11:26 pm ET)
           

        Yup..exactly...that's why he sent Sandy Bergler to steal the documents that showed his negligence.

         

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        • Author by Brabantio (December 25, 2007 11:30 pm ET)
             

          Except that if you really wanted to steal documents to prevent anyone else from seeing them, you wouldn't take copies.

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          • Author by The Stranger (December 26, 2007 12:11 am ET)
               

            Actually...there is no way of knowing exactly what and how much Clinton's little criminal stole since he had access to uninventoried, uncatalogued documents.

            The story that he stole only copies...on four separate occasions, mind you,...is just incredibly asinine. It just goes to show what shameless puppets the left is willing to be.

            Remember...Bergler denied it all at the beginning. Then the story became that it was an accident....until they showed evidence that he was hiding the docs out by the construction dumpster...and that he was stuffing them into his pants and socks..and then later it was discovered he had cut several documents up..

            ...and no one knows which documents

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            • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 8:02 am ET)
                 

              i'm still waiting for you to explain how all of bush's documented inaction in the eight months to 9-11 is clinton's fault.  and the fact is that bush did not want a 9-11 commission, was only forced into it by the public pressure of the "jersey girls", tried to limit it's scope, tried to underfund it, and tried to delay the report until after the 04 election.  he also resisted a meeting with the commission, limited the questions to only one hour, insisted cheney be there, and that no transcript be kept.

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              • Author by philib (December 26, 2007 9:15 am ET)
                   

                  He DID explain it when mentioning that S Burglar stole the evidence out of it's proper place and destroyed the evidence. You choosing to accept the evidence isn't required. Just pointing out that there is proof and your guy had it destroyed speaks volumes by itself.   What was on those classified documents? Ask your beloved x-prez. Vegas odds-makers say even money that you get that 'glazed over' look he gave hilary when she asked about the many interns.

                 Do you think that if the NSA to Bush waited a year to steal classified evidence from a secure government building he will receive the same "no harm-no foul" treatment from leftists that Bergler is getting?

                 

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                • Author by Brabantio (December 26, 2007 9:43 am ET)
                     

                  No, he did not explain that.  What documents could there possibly be in the Clinton administration that would explain why Bush ignored the threat?

                  Do you understand the concept of linear time? 

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                  • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 11:17 am ET)
                       

                    "Do you understand the concept of linear time?" 

                    Careful there, Brabantio. You're getting close to that surreal territory where time and space mean nothing, and Rush is right.

                    It's best to not go too far in this direction,or like those people going into the wall in Poltergeist, keep a rope attached to yourself.

                    I remember a while back I got sucked into a way-too-long episode with one of the wingnuts insisting that Bill Clinton was impeached for committing perjury that he committed during his impeachment hearings.

                    huh?

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                    • Author by Brabantio (December 26, 2007 11:48 am ET)
                         

                      I'd like to see that exchange, that sounds like a good one.

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                      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 11:54 am ET)
                           

                        It will be posted two weeks from Thursday, on an MMFA item regarding something Charles Krauthammer will say on that Wednesday.

                        Trippy, eh?

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                  • Author by The Stranger (December 26, 2007 12:00 pm ET)
                       

                    Newton's postulation that time is a physical reality that is independent of consciousness...meaning that one cannot change history...what's done is done (or what is not done is not done)..

                    ...but what he leaves out is that he who controls information, controls history..

                    So what Clinton and Berger decided to do was to change the perception of history..

                    ...they destroyed ALL documents showing their negligence which allowed them to lie about what had happened and thereby effectively changing history..

                    ..after all, as William James famously posited...perception is reality..

                    Berger was ordered to go in and destroy what the Clinton administration knew and did not alert the Bush administration to.

                     

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                    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 12:28 pm ET)
                         

                      Stranger, are you just fantasizing while typing, trying to make these wild scenarios true by putting them on this site, or are you actually submitting them as reality? Do you expect anybody to be as gullible as you in accepting these things with no supporting evidence?

                      And where is the explanation for Bush's inaction? Does it involve Bill Clinton, Sandy "Burglar" (har!), and a time machine?

                      And which of the events you're basing your comments on will happen sometime in the future- possibly in a parallel universe?

                      We need to know!

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                      • Author by The Stranger (December 26, 2007 1:32 pm ET)
                           

                        Yeah..like the stupid explanation that Berger went in and stole and destroye copies four different times is believable to anyone..

                        ..I think Occam's Razor applies very well here..

                        ..basically it states the reason for something is in all probability the one that makes the most sense..and what makes the most sense is that the Clinton crime crew was engaged in a cover up...yet again..

                        ..if Bergler needed copied of something he could have just requested them

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                    • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 12:40 pm ET)
                         

                      how's this strange one.  a quote from chairman of the joint chiefs until october 2001, henry shelton, that the bush administration moved counterterrorism "further to the back burner".  one quarter down.  among other quotes about how the bush administration didn't care. http://www.tkipp.net/html/editorials/columns/sirota_040409.html

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                      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 12:58 pm ET)
                           

                        Thnaks, Mefirst. Even if I've seen most or all of those items before, it's pretty interesting to see them all at once.

                        Unfortunately, the posters who really need to read the item are probably tuned into The Oxymoron right now, having all of those facts obliterated by the Excrement-in-Fraudcasting stream of BS.

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                        • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 1:12 pm ET)
                             

                          i just think that had a little more bit of attention been paid, the plot might have been stopped.  whatever clinton did it was far more than bush, a man who never should have been president.  he's lazy and inept.  it's not even a conservative vs. liberal issue. 

                          and here's condi praising the clinton administration before the 9-11 commission:  "on an operational level, we decided immediately to continue pursuing the clinton administration's covert action authorities and other efforts to fight the al qaeda network."  "clearly they had done a lot of work to deal with this very important priority." 

                          http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/

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                          • Author by The Stranger (December 26, 2007 1:26 pm ET)
                               

                            Huh? It still doesn't cover what Clinton had Bergler go in and destroy.

                            What Condi didn't know is what Condi couldn't know.

                             

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                            • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 1:40 pm ET)
                                 

                              again, what does any of that have to do with what bush did not do?  he told bob woodward "i was not on point..."  about bin ladin.  it's everyone's fault but his, even when he says he wasn't paying attention, and even when the record shows he did nothing.  how about the link i provided where the bush state department downgraded the bin ladin threat in april 2001?  or where the chairman of the joint chiefs said bush moved terrorism to the "back burner"?   comment?

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                          • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 1:58 pm ET)
                               

                            and in the cnn story of rice's appearance it says the white house "initially refused to allow rice's public testimony".  just like bush only gave the commission an hour, no transcript.  but it's all clinton, clarke, berger, everyone but bush. here are the exact quotes from bush to woodward about he was not focusing on bin laden.  how there was a "significant difference" in his attitude after 9-11.  are you saying he's lying?

                            http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/03/edi04020.html

                             

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                • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 9:51 am ET)
                     

                  he did not explain anything.  i asked what does any of that have to do with the documented record of bush's inaction.  since berger only looked at documents of the clinton era, that could not possibly explain bush's failures.  it does not explain why the commission, which i quoted, said that they could find no record that there was any action or any discussion of an alqaeda attack after the august 6 pdb.  there was no meeting of the "principals committee" on alqaeda until september 4, 2001, even though richard clarke insisted in the first week of the bush adminsitration that one be held.  there is no evidence that bush did anything, he dismissed the recommendations of the bipartisan hart rudman commission on counterterrorism, and his administration downgraded the threats.   the commission titled chapter eight of the report about the summer of 2001 "the system was blinking red", and i quoted the commission saying "in sum, the domestic agencies never mobilized in response to the threat".   clinton was not in charge, he was out of office.  it was bush who set the tone and he ignored the threat.  that is the undisputed evidence.

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                  • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 11:35 am ET)
                       

                    from a cnn transcript in april 2001, judy woodruff speaking [about halfway down in the transcript]:

                    "the state department officially released it's annual terrorism report just a little more than an hour ago, but unlike last year [the clinton administration], there was no extensive mention of alleged terrorist mastermind osama bin laden.  a senior state department official tells cnn the u.s. government made a mistake in focusing so much energy on bin laden and 'personalizing terrorism'."

                    http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0104/30/ip.00.html

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        • Author by therick (December 26, 2007 12:03 am ET)
             

          You really intend on being stupid your entire life, don't you?  How stupid does someone have to be to regurge talking points, fabricated for ratings, by a draft dodging, college dropout, 3 times divorced, bigoted, lying, drug addict?

          Just admit it, Rush Limbaugh is your hero, then there's nothing more to discuss.  That would prove that you need your bigotry stroked for 3 hours a day, and there's nothing to be gained by wasting my time on a fool.

          But, MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!  [or if you prefer, Happy Holidays]    :-)

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  • Author by The Stranger (December 25, 2007 10:04 pm ET)
       

    The "morality" on the chubby, semi-retarded intern's dress was evidence of perjury in the investigation of his attemted rape of Paula Jones

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    • Author by therick (December 25, 2007 10:49 pm ET)
         

      Ha ha ha ha, hee hee, ha ha.  You guys are a hoot.  Thanks, I needed a good laugh today.  And just so you understand completely, I was laughing AT you, not WITH you.  :-)

      Oh, have a merry Christmas, and happy new year!!!

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  • Author by roundhouse (December 25, 2007 2:27 pm ET)
       

    All you have exhibited so far is that you're another peevish troll with a proclivity to be driven to the vapors if you're not treated with the kind respect that you wouldn't dare show a lefty.

    Obviously the violent foreign policy of the rightwing hasn't made us safe. But nice straw man any way. Bill is talking about the Progressive principle of bringing the disenfranchised into the political process so they don't have to resort desperate, murderous acts to have a voice. And he used the example of Northern Ireland to show how participation can work to create peace.

    What example have you cited?

    And as far as morality goes you can blow that claim out your a**. Torture is terrorism, torture is immoral. Torture is not about the discovery of information it is about punishment and unless you can condemn the violent machinations of the shock and awe worldview you have no real claim to the high ground.

    Have a wonderful and safe and very Merry Christmas, Phil.

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  • Author by Eddy3957 (December 25, 2007 2:54 pm ET)
       

    Is the party of God actually the Devils’ own?

    Your post on a Christmas day put me to thinking about you people in a different light.  Maybe you are not sick mentally.  Perhaps your apparent mass hatred of Democrats and their representatives is more a spiritual situation than a psychological problem.

    If Satan were to try to take control of a country like America, it would seem a good tactic to first possess the most belligerent, greedy, and amoral first (what we now think of as the right wing Republicans), who could then take control of one of the two major political parties (the GOP). He would be most vulnerable to having his new subjects called out on their actions as immoral, which of course he knows they are. So he might have them preemptively attack (using his familiars in  mass media and among the clergy) the potentially good people in the other major party (the Dems and their reps) as being innately immoral on a regular and ongoing basis until it become a generally accepted belief—thus insulating his minions from attacks on their own morality.  In addition, he might have them become very overtly religious to insulate themselves further from charges of having immoral public policies.

    Once so paralyzed, as the Democratic Party seems to be even now, the Republicans would be freer to enact whatever evil their master decrees.

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    • Author by Eddy3957 (December 25, 2007 3:25 pm ET)
         

      Phillib, I’m not a priest of the church, but I pray for Christ’s intercessional authority, and I say to that which you may have become:   I command you, unclean spirit, whoever you are, along with all your minions now attacking this servant of God, by the mysteries of the incarnation, passion, resurrection, and ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ, by the descent of the Holy Spirit, by the coming of our Lord for judgment, that you tell me by some sign your name, and the day and hour of your departure. I command you, moveover, to obey me to the letter, I who am a minister of God despite my unworthiness; nor shall you be emboldened to harm in any way this creature of God, or the bystanders, or any of their possessions. God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, I appeal to your holy name, humbly begging your kindness, that you graciously grant me help against this and every unclean spirit now tormenting this creature of yours; through Christ our Lord. I cast you out, unclean spirit, along with every satanic power of the enemy, every spectre from hell, and all your fell companions; in the name of our Lord Jesus + Christ Begone and stay far from this creature of God. + For it is He who commands you, He who flung you headlong from the heights of heaven into the depths of hell. It is He who commands you, He who once stilled the sea and the wind and the storm. Hearken, therefore, and tremble in fear, Satan, you enemy of the faith, you foe of the human race, you begetter of death, you robber of life, you corrupter of justice, you root of all evil and vice? seducer of men, betrayer of the nations, instigator of envy, font of avarice, fomentor of discord, author of pain and sorrow. Why, then, do you stand and resist, knowing as you must that Christ the Lord brings your plans to nothing? Fear Him, who in Isaac was offered in sacrifice, in Joseph sold into bondage, slain as the paschal lamb, crucified as man, yet triumphed over the powers of hell. (The three signs of the cross which follow are traced on the brow of the possessed person). Begone, then, in the name of the Father, + and of the Son, + and of the Holy + Spirit. Give place to the Holy Spirit by this sign of the holy + cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with the Father and the Holy Spirit, God, forever and ever. Depart, then, transgressor. Depart, seducer, full of lies and cunning, foe of virtue, persecutor of the innocent. Give place, abominable creature, give way, you monster, give way to Christ, in whom you found none of your works. For He has already stripped you of your powers and laid waste your kingdom, bound you prisoner and plundered your weapons. He has cast you forth into the outer darkness, where everlasting ruin awaits you and your abettors. To what purpose do you insolently resist? To what purpose do you brazenly refuse? For you are guilty before almighty God, whose laws you have transgressed. You are guilty before His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, whom you presumed to tempt, whom you dared to nail to the cross. You are guilty before the who]e human race, to whom you proferred by your enticements the poisoned cup of death. At your command, O Lord, may the goodness and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ, our Redeemer, take possession of this man (woman). May we no longer fear any evil since the Lord is with us; who lives and reigns with you, in the unity of the Holy Spirit, God, forever and ever.ng salvation * that one also firmly believe in the incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ. 

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      • Author by therick (December 25, 2007 11:01 pm ET)
           

        Eddy, I think he/she has to read this for it to work.  And being demon posessed, he/she will certainly not read it.

        But, nice try.  Maybe if you slip a few lines in between other things they may inadvertantly read it.

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      • Author by philib (December 26, 2007 12:46 am ET)
           

           I think you would be better off worrying about your own salvation before you worry about mine. I'm not the one who claims the power to cast out demons, like you do. If I'm not mistaken, that could be construed as blasphemous.

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        • Author by therick (December 26, 2007 9:23 am ET)
             

          "If I'm not mistaken, that could be construed as blasphemous."--Philib

          It could be construed as blasphemous, if he knew in-fact that you aren't demon posessed.  From your writings, it's hard to tell.

           

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  • Author by The Stranger (December 25, 2007 9:36 pm ET)
       

    Funny that no where is mentioned what that time period was so it could be verified?

    You don't think his handlers were thinking he had diarrhea of the mouth and that he was on the verge of saying something really, really stupid again?

    He just got done saying a few days prior that Bush 41 would be a goodwill ambassador for the Pig in a Pant Suit if she were able to garner enough vote fraud and steal the election.

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    • Author by 1st Republic 14th Star (December 25, 2007 9:48 pm ET)
         

      ROSE: Let me -- let me just close with this, because it's important and fairly -- we're over and your people need to take you -- you need to go wherever you need to go.

      Stranger, you've got to be kidding.  ROSE'S comment makes the context clear.  Clinton was late and needed to go to another appointment.  Even so, he stayed and kept answering questions.

      As I've said before, the one thing you can count on the media for when there's a Clinton involved is that there's NO "just right."  Whatever Bill or Hillary says or does will be too long, too short, too calculating, not calculating enough, too reliant on pollsters, ignoring public opinion, too black, too white, too WHATEVER.

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      • Author by The Stranger (December 25, 2007 9:56 pm ET)
           

        Clinton's handlers were yelling at the producers who in turn relayed that to Rose.

        Again, if there were a pre-arranged agreement on the length of the interview why don't Clintons babysitter's offer it up.

        Clinton is known for his inability to not shut his pie hole when prudent

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        • Author by mefirst (December 25, 2007 10:52 pm ET)
             

          why don't you offer up the proof that his aides tried to shut down the interview because clinton was agitated.  there is none.  the proof, in fact, is the other way.  that clinton was late to something else, which is what rose says.  we just had a story the other day about hillary telling him to come on, because "the kids are waiting".  so offer up some proof other than your big mouth.

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        • Author by therick (December 25, 2007 11:06 pm ET)
             

          He certainly didn't seem irritated to me.  I've seen his irritated look, he gets all Clint Eastwood squinty eyed, and does a lot of finger pointing.  He's the last real leader we ever had.

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          • Author by philib (December 26, 2007 8:40 am ET)
               

            "He's the last real leader we ever had."

            Ha ha ha ha, hee hee, ha ha.  You guys are a hoot.  Thanks, I needed a good laugh today...  I couldn't have said it any better, so I just used your words.

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            • Author by therick (December 26, 2007 9:20 am ET)
                 

              What you wrote would imply that you believe George W. Bush is a "real leader."  Thanks for the laugh (two days in a row) to start my day.

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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (December 25, 2007 9:51 pm ET)
         

      I see you didn't get any knowledge for Christmas.

      You're still bone stupid. 

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 1:35 am ET)
         

      Stranger,  try putting some names in there before you start using the pronouns.It might make your series of half question/half speculations a little less incoherent.

      Not saying it's going to make them great, but others will at least have an idea of what you're babbling about.

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  • Author by anotheramerican (December 25, 2007 10:24 pm ET)
       

    Merry Christmas!

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 1:38 am ET)
         

      Hey, AA, I hope you had a wonderful Xmas- have a happy and healthy New Year.

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  • Author by The Stranger (December 25, 2007 11:52 pm ET)
       

    This is the kind of good news that just drives the left into paroxysms of blind, hateful rage:

    Muslim clerics—both Sunni and Shiite—also attended the Assyrian Orthodox service in a sign of unity. "May Iraq be safe every year, and may our Christian brothers be safe every year," Shiite cleric Hadi al-Jazail told AP Television News outside the church. "We came to celebrate with them and to reassure them."

    I've said this before and I'll say it again..in the future, GWB will be considered by historians as one of the greatest world leaders of all time.

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    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (December 26, 2007 1:44 am ET)
         

      You may be right. If there is a sudden influx of the completely insane going into careers as historians.

      Now I'll make my wacky prediction for the future: Stranger will provide an example of somebody on "the left" who was driven into blind,hateful range by the item about the clerics.

      Haha! Crazy idea, huh? Expecting reality to intersect with the delusional thoughts of the dittobot.

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    • Author by therick (December 26, 2007 9:29 am ET)
         

      Ha ha ha ha, oh my God, stop it, stop it!!! You're killing me............   :-D

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      • Author by therick (December 26, 2007 9:35 am ET)
           

        Now that I think about it, you might be right. Many in the MidEast will remember GWB  as the greatest gift to the advancement of Islam in history.  He was a two fold gift, uniting them while tearing apart the United States.

        Bush is most certainly a mental heavyweight--concrete.

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    • Author by mefirst (December 26, 2007 10:27 am ET)
         

      they probably need a little reassurance because christians have been subject to a campaign of oppression in iraq in the last few years.

      http://www.eagleworldnews.com/2007/04/29/iraqi-christians-face-mounting-threats-mp-says/

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