Daniel Pipes relied on disputed LA Times article to revive Obama-Muslim falsehood
SUMMARY: On FrontPageMag.com, Daniel Pipes purported to consider whether Sen. Barack Obama was "ever a Muslim or seen by others as a Muslim." But in support of his statement that "available evidence suggests Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing," Pipes cited a March Los Angeles Times article, critical parts of which have been challenged by the Chicago Tribune.
In an article dated December 24 (and posted on right-wing pundit David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com website on December 26), Middle East Forum director Daniel Pipes purported to consider whether Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) was "ever a Muslim or seen by others as a Muslim" -- or, "[m]ore precisely," he wrote, "might Muslims consider him a 'murtadd' (apostate), that is, a Muslim who converted to another religion and, therefore someone whose blood may be shed." Drawing heavily on a March 16 Los Angeles Times article (reprinted in the Baltimore Sun) and its quotations of Zulfin Adi, who the Times reported "describes himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends," Pipes concluded that "available evidence suggests Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father." However, key aspects of the March 16 Los Angeles Times article were later challenged by the Chicago Tribune, which reported that Adi said he "was not certain" about his statements regarding Obama's childhood and that he "only knew Obama for a few months." Additionally, the Tribune reported that "[i]nterviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia."
Also, while writing that Obama "was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father," Pipes did not note that Obama's Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, has been described in the Tribune as "much more of a free spirit than a devout Muslim."
In his December 24 article, Pipes relied heavily on the Los Angeles Times' March 16 article and its quotations of Adi:
Two months later, Paul Watson of the Los Angeles Times (available online in a Baltimore Sun reprint) reported that the Obama campaign had retreated from that absolute statement and instead issued a more nuanced one: "Obama has never been a practicing Muslim." The Times looked into the matter further and learned more about his Indonesian interlude:
His former Roman Catholic and Muslim teachers, along with two people who were identified by Obama's grade-school teacher as childhood friends, say Obama was registered by his family as a Muslim at both schools he attended. That registration meant that during the third and fourth grades, Obama learned about Islam for two hours each week in religion class.
The childhood friends say Obama sometimes went to Friday prayers at the local mosque. "We prayed but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque," Zulfin Adi said. "But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played." ... Obama's younger sister, Maya Soetoro, said in a statement released by the campaign that the family attended the mosque only "for big communal events," not every Friday.
Recalling Obama's time in Indonesia, the Times account contains quotes that Obama "went to the mosque," and that he "was Muslim."
Summarized, available evidence suggests Obama was born a Muslim to a non-practicing Muslim father and for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father. At some point, he converted to Christianity. It appears false to state, as Obama does, "I've always been a Christian" and "I've never practiced Islam." The campaign appears to be either ignorant or fabricating when it states that "Obama never prayed in a mosque."
Pipes' excerpt of the Times article differs from how it appears in the reprinted version that he linked to in The Sun, and from the original Los Angeles Times version as it appears in the Nexis database, both of which reported that Adi "describe[d] himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends," an assertion that is inconsistent with the Tribune's report that Adi "only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood." Other reprinted versions of the article, such as the March 18 Sun-Sentinel (Florida) version and Pipes' excerpt, did not contain Adi's description of himself. Adi, as noted above and by Media Matters for America here, reportedly backed away from his statements regarding his childhood friendship with Obama. The Chicago Tribune reported on March 25:
Obama and his mother moved from Honolulu to Jakarta to join Soetoro in 1967, when Obama was 6. Here, Obama became "Barry Soetoro."
In their first neighborhood, Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said. But Soetoro usually was too busy working, first for the Indonesian army and later for a Western oil company.
"Sometimes Lolo went to the mosque to pray, but he rarely socialized with people," said Fermina Katarina Sinaga, Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family. "Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo."
Zulfan Adi, a former neighborhood playmate of Obama's who has been cited in news reports as saying Obama regularly attended Friday prayers with Soetoro, told the Tribune he was not certain about that when pressed about his recollections. He only knew Obama for a few months, during 1970, when his family moved to the neighborhood.
Soetoro, who died in 1987, was hardly the image of a pious Muslim, friends and family members say.
His nephew, Sonny Trisulo, 49, said Soetoro always liked women and alcohol. One of his health problems was a failing liver. "He loved drinking, was a smart and warm person, the naughtiest one in the family," Trisulo recalled.
In a December 30 post titled "The Muslim smear, version 2.0," Politico writer Ben Smith criticized the Pipes article, writing: "Keep an eye on this one, because if Obama's the nominee, this Front Page magazine piece by the conservative writer Daniel Pipes is likely to be the template for a faux-legitimate assault on Obama's religion." Smith wrote that Pipes' article is "pretty stunning in the twists of its logic," adding: "But the political impact of the piece isn't the tortured argument. It's branding Obama a Muslim, by a subtler means." In an update to his post, Smith wrote: "Pipes is reportedly advising Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign, but he said in an email he hadn't discussed the column with the campaign or heard from them about it. Giuliani spokeswoman Katie Levinson noted that he's not ... a part of the campaign's formal advisory structure."















I'd vote for an American who was Muslim. Look at the current disaster we have with a christofascist in the white house.
SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!
Marker on the Mark. With global warming the way it is, maybe we should consider a Druid.
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
I second that also!
I don't give a damn about whether a person running for president was/is a Muslim or Jew or Farsi or Sunni or Christian or Atheist.....
As long as he didn't attempt to push his personal religion or views on me by changing laws to do just that (like a certain cretin that resides in the WH right now with those fanatical faith-based initiatives he loves to tout!).....
I like the fact that our Constitution allows us this right to be free to choose to be religious or not and that we shouldn't have to deal with a religious freak or his believers that claim to have been told by God that he was put in his position. NOT!!
Although, he, like so many of the new bred of right-wing conservative may simply be scared that a black man (who might be a Muslim BUT ISN'T) may very well be the next POTUS and this is just his/their way to attempt to obscure his/their racism!
I'm sure Roger Ailes is waiting by the phone for you to call him?
Again with the muslim lie? Gee, not surprised considering that the right wing of the republican party is again imposing a religious litmus test on the candidates. That's why Huckabee is kissing RW butt bigtime with his kneeling entrances. I figure he'll be walking onstage on his knees soon. Typical of the right to once again ignore the constitution in favor of their perverted interpretations of the bible.
I wonder how Huckabee will explain to the working people of America why he's going to cross the Writers Union picket line so he can appear on "The Tonight Show" tonight.
I hope this appearance bites him in the ass.
Huckabee is a smooth talking salesman who it appears is looking more for a talk show gig than to be president.......he doesn't wear well, he may squeak out a win in Iowa, but he'll get toasted in New Hampshire and after that.
His ass is basically finished, in my opinion.
I thought he was finished when it was revealed that he let that guy go from prison simply because the right wing said he was set up by the Clintons for raping one of his cousins. The guy went out and brutally raped and murdered two more in spite of repeated pleas from past victims. But not surprised, right wingers are more interested in vendetta's than they are in justice.
Huckabee and Romney are the two most dangerous ones with a remote chance to win, and that scares me. Huckabee with his deplorable comments about AIDS patients and Romney with his phony flip floping. The sad thing about the election is the lack of talk on the criminal and immoral war. I am starting to think nothing will change.
If you mean on the republican side, you are correct - nothing will change. They are racing for the bible thumper vote! The Dem side? Too many options - should not be a problem in a true democracy, right?
KEEP IN MIND, all this noise is a TACTIC with a singular GOAL in mind:
The Rightwing wish to gain/retain POWER so they can continue the status quo. They are delighted, in their tiny minority, with the things Bush has done. He has:
* eliminated THEIR tax burdens (for the very richest)
* started war everlasting, which is great for defense contractors, oil and gas owners, etc. TRILLIONS to be made, and all it costs us is the lives of our children (not THEIR children)!
* puts all national bills "on hold" as a burgeoning debt, great for THIS quarter ... and THIS quarter is all today's businessman is interested in.
* has put the American military in place as the enforcement arm for international industry, gaining control of resources for exploitation.
* has clamped down on "nay-sayers" and "whistle blowers" who make looting and corruption a little harder, by having the government spy on American citizens who are deemed "enemies" by virtue of their opposition to Bush's policies.
* has eliminated the threat of legal peril to business interests by redirecting the Justice Department, filling the courts with rightwing partisans, and rendering regulatory agencies useless.
* understands the importance of allowing American businesses to claim foreign-port home status, to avoid taxes, and to stockpile fortunes of the very few very richest in "safe" banking away from any future American scrutiny.
* knows the best profit comes from slave labor, so has made it very profitable to take jobs from Americans who expect living wages, and giving those jobs to overseas labor pools that work for peanuts and in terrible conditions. American workers, goes this theory, must learn to compete with workers who can eke out subsistence living for a dollar a day, NO benefits, no workplace protections, NO pollution restrictions, and absolutely NO say about how plants are run. Having America become such a labor pool is Republican Utopia, and is their ultimate GOAL.
* knows how to keep a secret. The most secretive Administration in American history follows the business model which considers all information to be PRIVATE, and nobody's business but theirs. Such secretism allows a world of corruption and illegal practices, which are "illegal" only if caught.
The NAME of the Republican currently in charge is irrelevant to the desire to continue these practices and seek these goals. Today, the name is BUSH. Tomorrow, whether Guilliani or Romney or Huckabee, it doesn't matter a whit.
That (R) guarantees more of the same, and a steady slide downward for average Americans, as the monied elites consolidate ever more wealth and power, to the expense of everyone else.
Do we WANT a continuation of these practices and policies? EVER AGAIN?
It can't last forever. Unfortunately, this happened once before and the end result was the great depression. Methinks we are on the path to the great depression redux.
I am not so sure. Huccabee is slick. I hope you are right.
You dumb f*ckers. Huckleberry hasn't a chance in hell. He's the MSM candidate
The evidence that he had a "Muslim upbringing", even briefly, is pretty non-existent; however, so what? Playing on the fear factor again with those ignorant and scared of someone else's beliefs. However,
I think it would be fascinating to examine the Reverend Moon's tentacles to Washington politicians, especially amongst the so-called christian right. Some pretty oddball associations there including Bush senior...and all these folks are adults.
The Reverand Moon is a crook
What should be thrown at him is the book
But the crook pays his tithes
Advancing right wingie lies
So for now his butt's off the hook
I so agree, Julia :)
Instead of obsessing about any and all Muslims (rather than the fanatics), we SHOULD be much more concerned with moonie ties to all these pols, it's creepy:
http://www.watch.pair.com/moon.html
RE: "The evidence that he had a "Muslim upbringing", even briefly, is pretty non-existent"
The information supplied in this article by Media Matters suggests just the opposite albeit it brief and apparently superficial. Anyone afraid of Obama because of his remote past is a person whose opinion means nothing. They should be resting their decision on his actual accomplishments & experience.
Guess we're on the same page. I just meant that to me, "upbringing" means really steeped in the religion, not just a superficial association.
In my opinion, a person who really lives his faith, whether it be Judaism, Muslim, Hindu, Taoist or Christian sees the interconnectedness of all spirituality and stops condemning everyone else.
Pssst..the talking points say he never was a Musloom..
..shhhh...
And I'm glad that you are enlightened enough to realize that it doesn't matter in the least.
George Bush was a wastrel coke-head and drunk driver, and then became a Christian--and that's viewed as a triumph of grace and redemption. No examination of that old life should be allowed.
But someone who was a Muslim and who subsequently came to Christ--he should be viewed with suspicion? Does the Blood of the Lamb not wash out the muslim stain, the way it does cocaine, drunk driving, and getting girls pregnant?
Once more, IOKIYAR.
Muslim is the new Communist.
You got that right.
If Joseph McCarthy were alive and still in office today, I could just hear him asking in that droning, nasally voice of his: "Mr Obama... are you now, or have you ever been, a Muslim?"
Oh, what the hell. Doesn't make any difference. There are enough others within the Washington establishment and the MSM who are more than delighted to take his place as grand inquisitor.
Daniel Pipes sees a terrorist behind every non-white face. This is a man who keeps a blog on Michael Jackson, for cyring out loud! And I'm supposed to take him seriously?
So what if Obama went to a mosque? Maybe someone who has attended mosques once in a while has the kind of perspective that is needed in order to address our issues with the Muslim world. I am not planning to vote for Obama, but he strikes me as capable and honest. I think the international nature of his upbringing actually makes him an attractive candidate for Secretary of State. I would vote for Obama before I would vote for Pipes or Horowitz.
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The Constitution guarantees Freedom of Religion in America, in the First Amendment.
WHY do rightwingers HATE AMERICA, and her Constitution?
Daniel Pipes is a known liar and Frontpage Magazine is a fascist rag.
No big surprises here.
They have no shame.
Daniel Pipes is indeed a liar. He lied about Tariq Ramadan, claiming he was a terrorist symp. Campus Watch lied about Nadia Abu El Haj, a Palestinian American who was attempting to get tenure at Barnard College. Campus Watch lied about Prof. Joel Beinin claiming he did not receive a death threat from L.A. pro-Israel militant Rachel Neuwirth.
He & Dershowitz would make a great Jewish wrestling tag team.
Pipes is the type who centuries ago railed against Muslims & persuaded Christians to go on Crusades. That's what he wants to do if Rudy Giuliani is elected President (God forbid).
Let's see..Hussein Obama was born to a Muslim father who practiced polygamy...went to a Muslim school...prayed in a mosque..
..Pipes is wrong how?
..jeez...you idiots are so spinnable
Stranger -
Using that logic, are you willing to concede that Rudi Giuliani is a mafia boss? He's certainly been in the business long enough, and it runs in his family. Once a criminal, always a criminal.
Stranger -
Using that logic, are you willing to concede that Rudi Giuliani is a mafia boss
Huh? Are you a Solon sockpuppet?
What an amazingly stupid post
Not too up on Guliani, are ya? Too busy fussing over hair or large homes.
One more thing... polygamy? Are you sure you're not confusing Obama with Romney, who actually supports polygamy? You thuglicans are so easily unraveled.
geez, how many more times do you need your @ss handed to you on a plate before you get a clue that you might be wrong again?
That might be true, but there is nobody named Hussein Obama running for president.
Looks like the troll ran away...
They are so easily spooked by facts!
Really..that guy with the dumbo ears and a cocaine habit isn't running?
Why the hell is he running around Iowa giving speeches and saying he is a Democrat candi-dirt for preznit?
The guy with the dumbo ears and the cocaine habit IS president, stupid.
Your ignorant rantings are just tired, abject stupidity.
So Bararck momma baby daddy was'"t a polygamist?
Whoops...the lerftards had better get the story straight
Uh..the Kostards seem to think so..
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/12/6/125725/839/338/418660
Quick..someone call Chicken 'n Waffles Olbermann..he hasn't mentiond this yet
lets see. barack mama daddy baby was married four times...with no divorces..and he wan't a polygamist?
Even if this is true, I wonder why this matters to you.
Does anyone care whether The Stranger's parents were convicted felons, or trailer trash, or disciples of the Reverend Moon?
Nobody cares, because you still can't put together a coherent thought. Unless of course you're parents were part of the Fred Phelps' cult, which means you're the product of incest and child abuse, and we should pity you.
Fred Phelps' cult
Why are you bringing up Al Gore's good friend, convention delegate, and campaign strategist, Fred Phelps?
ding ding when a bell rings, an angel gets its wings...
Diligently working to confuse, misdirect, slander and divert...
When Stranger posts, a devil gets his horns.
In case you haven't noticed, the right wing routinely lies when the facts don't suit them. In fact I think its an imperative. They live in a fascist fantasyland anyway and are immoral hypocrites.
You've got that right! Take a look...
Thanks for the link Snoop. I ruv ru.
What I keep saying to myself is 'what difference does it make?' I thought anyone could be president as long as they were a citizen with no felonies or something like that. Anyway I feel for a lot of these "traditional", "fundamentalist", "whatever happen to the good ole days" type Americans. Those days are long gone and they need to open their eyes, look outside their windows and say "Buenos dias, Bon Jour, Guttentag, Konichiwa" and "Osalama lakum", because their interest will no longer be the only one heard.
Apologies for any misspellings.