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Media declare McCain "tied for third" in Iowa, but by standard applied to Dems, he came in fourth

January 05, 2008 9:08 pm ET

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Following the January 3 Iowa caucuses, several media outlets, including the Associated Press, the New York Daily News, National Public Radio's Morning Edition, Newsday, Fox News' The Live Desk with Martha MacCallum, Fox News' America's Pulse, and the Chicago Tribune, reported that Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain (AZ) "tied for third" with former Sen. Fred Thompson (TN). But if those outlets had applied the same standard they apparently used in reporting the Democratic caucus results, McCain would have come in fourth.

According to the Republican Party of Iowa, McCain received 15,559 votes, or 13.11 percent of the overall vote in the Iowa Republican caucuses, while Thompson received 15,904 votes, or 13.40 percent of the overall vote, a difference of 0.29 percentage points. The Democratic Party of Iowa does not report raw totals of caucus-goers who voted for each candidate -- unlike the Iowa Republican Party -- instead, it reports percentages of "state delegate equivalents," the estimated percentage of delegates to the Iowa Democratic Party's state convention each candidate will receive. According to the official results, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) received 29.47 percent of "state delegate equivalents," finishing third, 0.28 percentage points below second place, and each of these news outlets reported that Clinton came in third.

While CNN.com has estimated that McCain will have an equal number of Iowa delegates to the national Republican convention (as opposed to the state convention) as Thompson, and that Clinton is second in the number of estimated pledged Iowa delegates to the national Democratic convention (again as opposed to the state convention), neither party has yet selected any delegates to their national conventions. Neither the official Iowa Republican Party results page nor the official Democratic Party results page estimates how many delegates to the national convention each candidate will receive.

From a January 4 AP report, "Republicans refocus efforts," by Glen Johnson:

Former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson finished Iowa tied for third with McCain, who largely skipped the caucus campaign, while Texas Rep. Ron Paul finished fifth but vowed to remain in the race.

From a January 4 AP report, "Clinton unbowed by third-place finish," by Beth Fouhy:

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton, claiming to be unbowed by a third-place finish in the Iowa Democratic caucuses, hailed a "great night for Democrats" and said the strong turnout pointed to the sure election of a Democratic president in November. She said she would "keep pushing as hard as we can."

From a January 4 New York Daily News article, "Huckabee clobbers Romney in Iowa," by Celeste Katz and David Saltonstall:

Mike Huckabee, the former long-shot-preacher-turned- conservative-darling, ran away with the Republican Iowa caucus last night -- dealing a critical blow to rival Mitt Romney.

With 86% of precincts reporting, Huckabee wielded a substantial 34% to 25% lead over Romney, while former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson and Arizona Sen. John McCain were tied for third at 13% each.

The thrice-married, pro-choice Rudy Giuliani -- who pulled out of conservative Iowa early -- was trailing in sixth place at a dismal 3%, behind even the anti-tax, pro-pot libertarian Ron Paul at 10%.

From a January 4 New York Daily News article, "Barack Obama wins the Iowa caucuses over Hillary Clinton, John Edwards," by Michael McAuliff, Michael Saul, and Jo Piazza:

Clinton, the former First Lady who once looked ready to coast to a coronation, limped in a narrow third behind populist former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards.

That means 70% of Democrats turned down the chance to restore the Clintons to the White House.

From the January 4 edition of NPR's Morning Edition:

MARA LIASSON (national political correspondent): Clinton, who finished third, called Obama to congratulate him, but she wasn't conceding the nomination -- not at all.

[...]

LIASSON: The Republican race now moves to New Hampshire, where Huckabee has next to no organization, but where Romney faces a strong challenge from John McCain, who tied for third place in Iowa with Fred Thompson. Ron Paul finished fifth and Rudy Giuliani sixth.

From the January 4 Newsday article, "Huckabee sweeps Iowa in big upset GOP victory," by Tom Brune and Letta Tayler:

Following Huckabee, Romney won 25 percent, Fred Thompson and McCain tied for third with 13 percent, Ron Paul won 10 percent and Giuliani won just 4 percent.

From the January 4 Newsday article, "Obama rocks the political world," by Glenn Thrush:

Barack Obama rocked the political world with a decisive victory in yesterday's Iowa caucus -- with Hillary Rodham Clinton finishing in third place fractionally behind John Edwards, a staggering blow to a candidate once viewed as her party's inevitable choice.

From the January 4 edition of Fox News' Live Desk with Martha MacCallum:

MARTHA MacCALLUM (co-anchor): All right, let me bring in [Fox producer] Malini Bawa, who's been traveling with the McCain campaign. Malini, welcome, I know you're on the phone from New Hampshire. You know, what was his mood like? How is he holding up? What's he using -- what's he eating and drinking to fuel his way along here?

BAWA: Well, his mood is definitely upbeat. You know, he was tied for third in Iowa, and Mitt Romney is, you know, [inaudible] -- well, maybe that's not the greatest position to be in, but McCain just -- since the beginning of December -- was fifth, sixth, single digit numbers in some of the polls, and here he is, tied for third with a team that didn't really spend much time or money in Iowa, so he's very happy with that. He's very happy with the way things look for him in New Hampshire. He was very, very upbeat riding over here to this event on the bus this morning and he said he's dedicated to the proposition that he's going to have a lot of fun for the next four or five days here in New Hampshire.

[...]

MacCALLUM: As we were just telling you, Senator John McCain is among the candidates who is back in New Hampshire today; his campaign energized after coming in third in the Iowa caucus last night, where he had not spent all that much time campaigning really.

From the January 4 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse:

BRIGITTE QUINN (co-anchor): Hillary Clinton is hoping now to bounce back after coming in third behind Barack Obama and John Edwards in Iowa. She's dumping her usual speeches and taking questions on the campaign trail with just four days to go before the crucial New Hampshire primary.

From the January 4 Chicago Tribune article, "Huckabee wins conservative test," by Rick Pearson:

Romney, who in the final days sought to cast himself as an underdog in the contest, said, "I've been pleased that I've been able to make up ground and I intend to keep making up ground, not just here but across the country." Still, the defeat was a serious blow for Romney.

In addition to giving Huckabee a win that could translate into the fundraising dollars necessary to project viability on a national scale, the caucus results provided an opening for a surging John McCain in New Hampshire's primary on Tuesday.

With 93 percent of the state's 1,781 Republican precincts counted, Huckabee had 34 percent compared with Romney's 25 percent. McCain, an Arizona senator, and Fred Thompson, a former Tennessee senator, were tied for third with about 13 percent.

From the January 4 Chicago Tribune article, "Obama, Huckabee strike first with Iowa victories," by Christi Parsons and John McCormick:

Hillary Clinton

Her third-place finish, just behind John Edwards, pierces her inevitability.

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    • Author by notanotherconservative2254 (January 05, 2008 9:25 pm ET)
         

      Isn't it hard when you discover  THAT

       ...  She really wasn't where it's AT 

       

      From DU (Yes, the DU!!!)   Clinton: Obama's Too Liberal

      When Hillary starts attacking Obama for being to "liberal", I am only going to ask one question of MMFA - is this a Hillary Clinton web site?  Or can we finally admit that Hillary has truly lost big time!

       

      And, in fact, it's absolutely clear that Hillary LOST and CAME IN THIRD PLACE in Iowa.  And she is going to be in SECOND PLACE in N.H.

       

       

      Get over it...    

       

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      • Author by steeve (January 05, 2008 9:59 pm ET)
           

        I didn't see any quotes from Clinton, or her campaign, in your link, so I have no idea what she thinks of Obama.

        I do happen to know that Obama is too conservative on social security and health care.

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      • Author by steeve (January 05, 2008 10:02 pm ET)
           

        I also noticed that you didn't actually disagree with anything MMFA said in this post, but just had to spew your childish "pro-Hillary" bile no matter how many posts defending Obama and Edwards MMFA puts up.

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      • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (January 06, 2008 3:37 am ET)
           

        notanotherconservative, that's one of the strangest posts I've seen here in a while. After months of accusations by wingnuts that MMFA is a HRC campaign site, are you asking MMFA to explain why they are not a HRC campaign site ?

        Who needs to get over what?

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    • Author by bruce1ace (January 05, 2008 9:30 pm ET)
         

      Rounding to the nearest whole percentage, Edwards received 30% to Hillary's 29%.  Rounding to the nearest whole percentage, Thompson and McCain both received 13%.

      It might be as simple as that, as opposed to the "different" standards that MMFA claims the Media used.

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (January 05, 2008 10:36 pm ET)
           

        It's not as "simple as that" because there's no rationale for "rounding" in the first place.

        No, the media is applying a double standard to Hillary. She tied for second place-- in the reality based world.

        But they hate her and want her to lose so that they can have both a horserace in Obama and a clearly weaker candidate against the Repubs-- 'cause Obama's gonna lose against any non-nutcase conservative.

        So, she's in "third place." 

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        • Author by therick (January 05, 2008 11:23 pm ET)
             

          ". . .Obama's gonna lose against any non-nutcase conservative."--Carlileb

          Sounds like you're predicting an Obama win.

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        • Author by mefirst (January 06, 2008 2:04 pm ET)
             

          personally i agree with the contention that obama would be the weaker candidate.  i watched meet the press this morning and russert made the comment that the republicans last night focused on his inexperience.  i looked up the debate transcript, [the n y times has one], and here were a couple of their quotes.  after noting that he would have the usual  philosophical differences with anyone in the democratic field, giuliani said:

          "and in the case of senator obama, he really doesn't have the experience either from the national security point of view or even from the executive point of view." 

          fred thompson:  "senator obama does not have the national security experience and background to lead the nation."  

          i'm aware they will make that charge against any democrat, but there are two factors to consider here.  one is rudy's very telling "and in the case of senator obama", and two is the fact that hillary consistently rates highest on the issue of "experience".  i realize it is an intangible, and experience does not  mean the correct position.  but when they start running those 30 second ads about "who do you want to lead this country in these dangerous times?", i think obama is going to be hurt by that perception.  any democrat is going to be painted with the "liberal" label, but i do not think they can pin the not tough enough label on hillary.  they have spent 15 years telling us how tough she is. 

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          • Author by mefirst (January 06, 2008 2:33 pm ET)
               

            and i don't think his wife is going to be that big a help.  not when she made the "it's now or never" comment, that he would not run again if he lost this time, mainly because of the financial burdens.  actually, she's right.  i've thought for a long time that anyone in congress should make at least 300,000 or more a year.  make it worthwhile for some talented people to give up high paying business jobs.  i hate hearing that stuff about if they can't make it on 200,000 dollars.  not when you have to maintain two homes and fly constantly back home.  but i just don't think her remark helped.   plus, she just looks sometimes like.....not too friendly?.  check the link.  on the other hand, obama has some moves. 

            http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/29/obama-my-wife-doesnt-want-another-white-house-run/

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    • Author by carlileb5935 (January 05, 2008 10:30 pm ET)
         

      Welcome to Hillary's world, where if your name is Clinton, everything you do is culpable. The rules for her are different-- you gotta problem with that?

      It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out why the corporate MSM is pumping for McCain and Obama. They know that with this kind of November matchup, the Dems are toast-- and that's just what their bosses want. No way is the MSM going to tolerate a Dem victory.

      The script is in.

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      • Author by therick (January 05, 2008 11:27 pm ET)
           

        I think you're wrong about the Dems being toast.  Given the current political climate, I think even Dennis Kucinich could beat any of the current Repubs.

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        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (January 06, 2008 2:45 am ET)
             

          Yeah, I may have underestimated middle-America myself.The Iowa victory for Obama has me thinking that maybe the "Stop Hillary Express" may have been the best thing the GOP has ever done for this country.

          I'm an optimist.

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          • Author by philib (January 06, 2008 11:34 pm ET)
               

              I think hilary is shoving her own foot into her own mouth with every other statement she makes. It doesn't need to be any republican complaining about hilary, the dems are ALL doing it better than any repub could.

              IMHO, there isn't a dem around that will beat huckleberry (if he wins the nomination). And, the way the dems are too busy in-fighting, I don't think there is a dem who could win against any other candidate. Eventually (as already proven in Iowa) all the dems who smear the other candidates will be ostrisised by the general public. Till there are any more to run.

               All I can say is; thank you democratic party for ruining your only chance at winning the presidency this year. You had it in the bag and now you've bitten your own nose off with all your bickering and non-productiveness in the congress. Thank you.

             

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    • Author by tex (January 05, 2008 10:58 pm ET)
         

      Don't forget, by CHRIS MATTHEW'S STANDARD, McCain was ROUNDLY REJECTED by 87% of Republicans. Almost a 9/10 rejection result.

      Gosh, how the MEDIA has to labor mightily to make it seem as if the horses are thundering in a wild anything-can-happen photo finish match, when the REALITY is that Republicans in general and McCain in particular can't get HALF the votes they need to be competitive this time around. 

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    • Author by captfoster2 (January 06, 2008 7:48 am ET)
         

      I'm grateful for MMFA to show the MSM childish attempts at trying to catapult their choosen guy from 4th to 3rd.......

      It does seem silly to bother from either direction and by MMFA going over a lot of different media and then bringing it up in here tells me that at least you guys are doing your level best......

      There are times when mundane items are brought up but since the idea is 'mis' information being exposed, I understand.

      As for McCave, Rotten Rudy, Fred "I'm kinda tired...... I think I'll go home now" Thompson, well any of the Republicans this time around, weak!

      Why even bother? I know its a democracy and all but the Republican party (as it exists today) is DOA. You can thank Bush/Cheney for that too!

      Even Nixon knew when to walk away when the crap hitting the fan was too stinky to bear 

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    • Author by tex (January 06, 2008 11:24 am ET)
         

      Crooks and Liars give this Sunday Morning lineup on the day following the New Hampshire presidential debates:

      ABC’s “This Week” - Former Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark.; former Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass.; former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C .

      CBS’ “Face the Nation” - Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

      NBC’s “Meet the Press” - McCain.

      CNN’s “Late Edition” - Huckabee; Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas; Gov. Bill Richardson, D-N.M.; former Sen. Fred Thompson, R-Tenn.; Mahmud Ali Durrani, Pakistan’s Ambassador to the U.S.

      Fox News Sunday” - Romney, Huckabee.

      ------------- 

      So, WHAT THE HOT NEWS in politics? By NINE to TWO, it's the Republican candidates! Gotta love that "Liberal Media" and its "Liberal Bias". 

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      • Author by bruce1ace (January 06, 2008 11:45 am ET)
           

        Meet the Press' Tim Russert mentioned that they invited her to be on today's program but she declined.

        Perhaps you should give her a call?

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        • Author by bruce1ace (January 06, 2008 11:45 am ET)
             

          I'm referring to Hillary, of course.

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          • Author by jeter2 (January 06, 2008 11:50 am ET)
               

            Now now Bruce don't go trying to spoil Tex's rant ;-)

            As far as I can tell the media has already decided it's Obama & McCain. No need for any more primary elections.

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            • Author by bruce1ace (January 06, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
                 

              I agree Jeter.  The media is characterizing Hillarys campaign as "desperate" just days after her nomination was deemed "inevitable".

              I don't believe either is true.

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        • Author by loonz (January 06, 2008 12:34 pm ET)
             

          I'll refine Tex's post:

          "So, WHAT THE HOT NEWS in politics? By NINE to TWO [OR THREE], it's the Republican candidates! Gotta love that 'Liberal Media' and its 'Liberal Bias'."

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          • Author by juliajayne (January 06, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
               

            Yeah, what are J2 and Bruce talking about again? Hey J2, I was disappointed to learn you look like Rocky. I don't like meat neck muscle bound men. Tell me you have a little paunch and I may reconsider my disappointment.  ;-0)

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            • Author by jeter2 (January 06, 2008 5:36 pm ET)
                 

              Please don't fret my sweet Julia, I don't look like Rocky Balboa. If you remember...Beach, Pit, & Snoop left links to photos they thought might look like me. This included an Italian organ grinder, some punked out guinea, & Rocky Balboa. Of course I said Rocky was closest. Do ya blame me?  Then Beach decided I might actually resemble Rocky the Flying Squirrel. Ah I love that guy's humor ;-)

              In truth I don't really have much of a paunch, I'm a health nut--except for the cigs--I jog or bike daily. But I'm no muscle-man.

              I actually have been told I remind folks of a pretty famous/good-looking actor...but if I told you who it was, you probably wouldn't believe me, so I'll let you use your imagination ;-)

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              • Author by juliajayne (January 06, 2008 6:03 pm ET)
                   

                Phew. Guess what? I didn't think you could actually look like Rocky the flying squirrel! But I am dying to know which actor this might be. Please, don't mess with me, I HAVE to know. How about some initials?

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                • Author by jeter2 (January 06, 2008 9:12 pm ET)
                     

                  Aw Julia wouldn't it be more fun to play Twenty Questions? I love that game ;-)

                  Well maybe not, MMFA might frown on us using up space for that.

                  How about I give you several clues?

                  1) He's an outspoken Liberal/Progressive

                  2) He had an Aunt who was a singer/actress with the same last name as his

                  3) He was on 2 sitcoms in his younger years & starred in a dramatic series as an adult

                  4) He's a top movie actor these days

                  5) My hair hasn't grayed like his...yet ;-)

                  Let's see if you can guess...if you need more clues, let me know :-)

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                  • Author by juliajayne (January 06, 2008 10:41 pm ET)
                       

                    Ah, that was my first thought. GC. Okay, now I have a bit of a visual. How do like looking like a liberal?

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                    • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (January 07, 2008 12:54 am ET)
                         

                      Wow, thanks Jeter ! You look just like another famous New Yorker, and I didn't know all of those fun facts about G.C. ! ;0)

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                      • Author by jeter2 (January 07, 2008 7:36 am ET)
                           

                        Geez Beach I guess you got so excited that you became discombobulated & mistakenly linked to a picture of yourself...or did you do it deliberately cause you wanted me to check you out?

                        Sorry Beach, you're cute but I'm not interested.

                        Hey man I didn't know you were Gay...not that there's anything wrong with that ;-)

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                        • Author by HuntingtonBeachLefty (January 07, 2008 11:01 am ET)
                             

                          Sorry, Jeter, wrong "G.C.". I'm not gay, I'm stocky, bald, unempoyed, and I live with my parents. ;0)

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                    • Author by jeter2 (January 07, 2008 7:32 am ET)
                         

                      How do like looking like a liberal?

                      Well Julia I don't really mind-- at least I don't look like Rob Reiner ;-)

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    • Author by watershed (January 06, 2008 12:42 pm ET)
         

      I'm sure it's mentioned here somewhere, but I think a major tell of the media's bias is the near complete dismissal of John Edwards' second place finish. The man beats Clinton, and somehow, he's "done". (Contrast that with- McCain finishes fourth at 13%, and he's a "winner".) It's almost universal. Edwards anti-corporate message is obviously a major thorn for these guys.

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      • Author by mary59 (January 06, 2008 2:49 pm ET)
           

        Yep.  Edwards is not a popular media choice, so he doesn't get the attention.  Probably for the reasons you mention; plus, he's a white male who has run before.

         

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        • Author by conleytgwinn (January 06, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
             

          Seriously - it is the message that the Corporate Media dislikes. If Edwards were a whitel male who had run before (thin Ray-Gun) but were promising to expedite and assist the Corporate Media and all the other Corporations, and cut taxes for the the peak earners at the head of those Corporations, the story-line would have him walking on water, and never having told a lie, and would be coining slogans for him - all the while, continuing to ignore/berate all the Dems.

          The primary reason that Obama has not been really attacked (YET) is that there is fear in the Corporate cabal that the Dems might reject Senator Clinton to settle on Edwards - who would ask them to become honest and perhaps even nurturing toward the consumer and the small investor. Got to have some other recourse available, while trying out small smear campaigns to see if any gain traction against Obama for the general campaign.

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    • Author by MickD (January 06, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
         

      I love how Johnny McC is allowed, virtually every week (yes, exaggerated generalization), to "explain" his flipping, flopping and fearing rhetoric. Grandpa always explaing cooly "this is what he means." It's seriously quite boring, seeing that it smacks of a BushieCo continuation.

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